http://youtube.com/watch?v=QrSHbF6V-WI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2OMRWPOSw9s
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RTOARC-yeMc

Origin.

>>17041669
Hrm, cache authenticity and provenance must not casualize. Path of deviation from bioavailability limit difficult under all metrics

the science has been pretty clear that the only chemical compounds effective in treating or preventing diseases are ones developed in labs by pharma corporations that cost your insurance at least $20 per dose. hope this helps!

>>17040518
if they work you can prove and sell it
but you won't

>>17043178
You do have a couple limiting factors, eg., consent.

>>17040518
Lol.

>>17040518
why waste time with "le herbs", when you can just get the pure API?

>>17044880
Yeah, hilarious after seeing one of them articles in Scientific American

>>17043178
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>>17044880
You are literally jewish and trying to destroy traditional European medicinal traditions for the sake of the Rockefeller petrochemical pharmaceutical complex btw.

>>17048733
the point is, you can either take le herbs and extract your compound, purify it and make a ticture or you can just synthesize the molecule you want.

>>17048823
Shut up, k*ke.

https://doi.org/10.3390/ddc4010004
https://doi.org/10.3390/ddc3010011
https://doi.org/10.1055/s-0030-1270904
https://doi.org/10.1186/1475-2875-10-s1-s4

>>17048870
The issue with "whole plant extract" is that it cannot be standardized without spending an exorbitant amount of money which results in you doing precisely what I suggested. Isolating the compounds and mixing them in a co trolled fashion.
Medicine MUST be the same every time. It is crucial that one box of pills or bottle of extract is the exact same as EVERY othet bottle of that same pharmaceutical.

>>17048875
>Medicine MUST be the same every time.
Muh evidence based solutions that will never address each of the individual's needs!

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>>17048733
It's okay to be retarded but proudly displaying it is really sad

>>17048984
I am not talking about individualized medicine.
I am saying that when you give a drug to a patient, you want to know exactly how much you're giving them.
Surely knowing the exact dose you're administering is a good and important thing in medicine?

>>17049064
The anon you're talking to is genuinely retarded, I wouldn't try reasoning with them, Pigeons and chess

>>17049064
>I am not talking about individualized medicine.
Okay so what's your problem with crude herbs acting as a form of individualized medicine, then?
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>>17049066
Pharmafaggot fuck off.

>>17049115
>Okay so what's your problem with crude herbs acting as a form of individualized medicine, then?
Because you cannot individualize using crude herbs, you don't know how much of the chemicals that do things are in your herbs, this amount also varies wildly between cultivars, season and cultivation method.
Do you smoke weed? You seem like you do.
Weed has five billion million "strains" or whatever, which produce measurably different pharmaceutical effects, even within the same type or whatever. It's somewhat difficult to make standardized strains weed, because the chemical composition is complex and affected by many,many things and the reason it works with weed is that it's one plant and there's loads of drug addicts.

Now imagine doing this level or research for hundreds of plants. You're still dying to tuberculosis, though.

>>17049292
>Because you cannot individualize using crude herbs
???

You simply adjust the ratio of crude herbs administered based on patient feedback, then you adjust dosage (which is generally safe since there are natural buffers in the form of antioxidants and anti-inflammatories) by ratio.
Nothing in your post addresses the true motivation for why one would prefer holistic medicine over API, though. It just shills for standardization by ignoring that synergistic effects can aid the healing process in ways that tackling discrete molecular receptors alone cannot do.

>>17049496
*then you apply dosage

>>17049496
but you don't know what's in the herbs

>>17049641
It doesn't matter lol. Herbs have greater bioavailability, which means they can meet their therapeutic threshold at theoretically lower dosages, which inherently lowers the risk of toxic exposure.

>>17049670
But it does?
You want to know how much medicine you're giving a guy.

>Herbs have greater bioavailability, which means they can meet their therapeutic threshold at theoretically lower dosages
But you don't know what dosage you are administering, because you don't know what's in the herbs.

Is it water-soluble?

If yes, it can be boofed, and therefore is real medicine.

If it cannot be boofed then it is experimental gene therapy.

>>17049852
>hurrr mechanistic reductionism is the only way to go about medicine hurrrr
You're a cultist. No more reason to keep arguing with you.

>>17050166
Wanting to know how much medicine you administer means you're a cultist?

>>17050190
>my insistence that healing only has one viable solution in every scenario makes me a cultist?
Yes.

>what is in the herbs
I'm pretty sure that this could be used as a macro

>>17050346
Knowing what you give to the patient seems like a fairly normal prerequisite, no?

>>17050481
Your immune system is garbage, sorry.

>>17050644
I accept your concession.

>>17049856
Bayesian life-saving heuristic