Any specific LaTeX or Typst CV templates you can recommend?

>>17041889
I like awesomecv but I don't think the ATS systems do. At this point just make it in word or some shit. For me I don't want to work for a place that screens shit out that way anyway.

Going to be doing a somewhat niche bachelors in Engineering after the Foundation year.
Just a bit worried because the employment section is really vague compared to other more "traditional" fields like Civil Engineering or Mechanical Engineering.
Just a bit worried but I do live in the section of the country that has a lot of renewables around.
I hope I can manage to get a job afterwards, going to do everything I can try. Summer Internships, joining the official membership organisation as a student and joining the Society that is focused on it.

>>17041950
Huge mistake. Studying a field that is called Renewable energy for undergraduate will scare off the hoes (employers) because there are many cringe non-rigorous degrees like that and you will have a very bad time pivoting to another field out of necessity. You are better of studying a traditional engineering degree and then going into the area. Just check out the job listings Bro.

>Look at job listings for my field in the US
>100-150k for PhD + 0-2 years of experience
>Job requirements are generic and I check all the boxes

>Look at job listings for my field in the EU/UK (where I am allowed to work)
>40k for entry level, 60k for 5+ YoE
>Every job requires extremely specific experience I don't have

I can't even get a McDonalds level salary in my field here and in the US I'd be comfortably middle class.

>>17042118
>get a STEM job in the US
American here. Every job requires experience outside of uni, so if you think your work experience in academia will net you a job, think again.

Haven't worked in 7 months, can't reapply to the jobs that I clearly would be qualified for because of arbitrary cool downs, saying some truly out of pocket Grindr (not gay)

>>17042195
I have 2 years postdoc + 2 years in industry post-PhD.

Neither is in an area that employers here want.

>>17042229
What is your field? In my field, the only people hiring PhDs are research universities with hospital branches, like Emory. Most companies only hire PhDs temporarily until they can replace them with MSc so they don't have to pay as much. Typical US job cycle.

>>17042197
I can't even get a lab assistant job out of a BSc with tons of wet labs, research, and bioinformatics. I hate this shit.

>>17042233
I'm about to graduate with a doctorate, 5 first person publications at BIG NAME AI CONFERENCES a FAANG FRONTIER AI LAB internship and still I am eating shit. I deserve this for trying to get some positive motion in my career though. I understand that.

>>17042269
I just said fuck it and enrolled for some post-bacc whilst I study for the MCAT. If I can't even get a fucking job with a BSc and tons of lab work, might as well try to become a physician.

>>17042231
Something like optical spectroscopy, instrumentation and semiconductors

The only people doing optical spectroscopy pay 40k, the instrumentation people want someone making high throughput standardized fab equipment instead of harebrained diy setups, and the semiconductor people want someone who has done epitaxy instead of stirring gunk into a cuvette or pointing lasers at wafers.

I really thought it would be employable and in the US it might be but here the jobs just do not seem to exist.

>>17042303
Oh yeah the optics people want someone who has used professional optics simulation software, the photonics people want someone who makes PIC chips, the quantum people have their whole own thing.

> can't get a internship in uni because muh not qualified
> can't get entry level job after uni because there is none available everyone wants 2 years of experience thesis work doesn't matter
> lol just network bro best of luck
if they would at least give me a feedback and tell me what I lack perhaps I could work on that but its always standard
> others were better sucks to suck

I’ve only seen roasties on social media getting jobs in their respective academic fields. Am I crazy or is it virtually impossible for a straight white man to get one? And at a larger scale is there a systematic denial of my group from education?

>>17042914
I worked in a lab with three white dudes who are all in tenure track positions currently.

>>17041870
Is studying Electronics Engineering better than Electrical?

>>17042914
I spent many hours in a microbiology and human cadaver physiology lab in uni, and the major hospitals have rejected every single one of my apps for an entry-level lab assistant even though I'm overqualified based on the position requirements. Guess I'll go fuck myself and keep working blue collar for the next 40 years.

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I guess I'll go to Japan for a postdoc

Excited to announce I will be getting raped later this evening.

>>17043162
did you make the august deadline or jsps

>>17043285
neither, it's directly at OIST in Okinawa

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Guys, I wonder about how research or jobs in applied mathematics. I want to study a masters in my country, it's a good institution. But I wonder about getting too niche or too broad. It doesn't seem as easy as choosing an actual topic like mathematical finance and then work at a bank. I'd wish there was a guide to what to expect, maybe I could make an academic career work with these topics? By applied mathematics I mean things like machine learning and optimization theory. While I'm there I guess I would be able to choose to be more computational or more theoretical, both are interesting... I am unsure of how much time I will have to think of shit like these decisions with the how hard the courses can be.

>>17043308
Nice I applied for a position there about a year ago but never heard back

>>17043315
yall filthy gaijins what did you expect

Getting MsC Degree in meme thing, but I'm researching FEM algorithms for helmholtz/wave equation for my thesis. Wtf can I do next, I like this topic

>>17043489
>a literal FEMboy

>>17043489
>FEM
- Interesting, is it demanded now?
- You are doing masters AND research. Why not masters + engineering career or research + PhD? What are your plans for the future?

Put me in a room with him, only one of us is leaving unraped.

should I have some pride as a physicists and not apply for simple jobs or do I throw that away and just take the job that designs sensors for parking lots?

Do you guys listen music during work or study? I listen rarely, for example today I have a headache so I need to get distracted from it.

>>17043511
>is it demanded now?
it's programming-related, do you even need to ask

The person who said they applied to a PhD position and should get a tattoo to celebrate, we don't know who it was or what kind of person it was.

>>17043520
That's extremely technical, how can you consider that a bad job?

>>17043564
But we can guess

>>17043564
Still cannot believe it was real. Is this how women go through life?

>>17043566
Anon thinks xe is a special boy whose genius must be recognized with a nondescript finance job involving turning up and getting $milliond or a Nobel prize for getting an A in introductory quantum physics.

Little does xe know getting a job designing parking sensors or whatever as a physics grad requires dragging your dick through broken glass and getting lucky.

>>17042303
You dumbfuck. Go into defense contracting. I have a PhD in atmospheric chemistry. Got a job in defense doing cool restricted shit. First job out of Postdoc $150K a year. 5 years later, $210K a year. My interview was a 1 hour phone call with the team.

People actually call a PhD "doctor" in defense without mockery. Respect from directors, VPs, etc. no jeets, no druggies, no blue hairs, no faggots.

It's great.

>>17043804
Not in the US as per my original post at >>17042118

I get paid like 60k€ a year and I'm the best paid person outside of the C-suite at my company.

>>17043804
>fall for the defense meme
>ww3 hits
>can't escape the country
don't go anywhere army-related, bros...

Anybody know about Awerian in the UK

>>17043511
>Interesting, is it demanded now?
I don't think so
>Why not masters + engineering career or research + PhD?
Engineering jobs suck, so I want to steer into mathematics or adjacent thing.
Master is required for PhD in my country so yea I'm oriented towards that
>What are your plans for the future?
Having enough free time, don't care about money as long as I can survive

>>17043917
Plus
> adversary nation sends hunter-killer teams directly for YOU
yea I think I’m good

>>17043992
Why would they kill him when they can just send qt3.14 female asset to turn him?

>>17043917
If WW3 hits you better be within army. At least you would have food and shelter. And maybe end up as a cool scientist in an underground bunker developing radioactive battle mutants.

>>17043992
>>17044036
>>17044069
>>17043804
americans don't know how good they have it... I fantasize about shit like this in the daily and it will never happen to me because you need citizenship.
sucks being born m*xican

>>17043911
You also probably have pension, state healthcare, and cheap ass housing.

My wife and I pull a bit more than $400K together. Of that, we put about $50k into 401Ks, $10K into HSAs, pay about $30K for private health insurance, pay $2K per month for infant daycare, $5K a month for housing, $1K per month for 2 cars, $2K per year for car insurance, etc. etc. and we only get 20 days vacation and 10 holidays a year. Your 60k€ gets you an entire month in Lindau at bargain basement vacation rates.

>>17044101
The state pension/healthcare are the bare minimum and are unlikely to exist by the time I would need to access them. Currently, the only healthcare access I have for everything short of cancer is through my employer's health insurance, simply because the state healthcare system is overloaded. For state pension the retirement age for my generation is 70 and again that will be poverty level.

Housing is cheaper but not as much as you would think and certainly not by as much as my income is lower. Most goods are similar or more expensive than when I lived in the US. Basically, of course I would happily quadruple my income and costs, because that would quadruple the amount saved.

I live in a one-bed flat, I do not own a car, do not have pets, do not have kids, do not have expensive hobbies and never travel. I've worked quite hard for all my life, have a good CV, and am entering mid-career in a technical field. With all that, I save about 1k a month and most of that goes into trying to accumulate savings for retirement, which is not really working. I simply could not afford to have a family, even a car and a dog is pushing it.

Absolutely not in the mood to listen to some damn yank whine about how hard it is to make half a million a year.

>>17044101
Oh yeah, also

>we only get 20 days vacation and 10 holidays a year
I get four weeks of vacation, which I assume will be the same as your 20 days, and 7 holidays.

>>17043989
>Engineering jobs suck, so I want to steer into mathematics
Em, and what non-sucking jobs would you have then? Math teacher? Unironically.

>talk to hiring manager
>totally puzzled why I am not a professor if I have a PhD and like to teach
>Why did you work for 4 universities and not just stay with one?
Anyone else get this bullshit?

>>17041990
It sucks. My sister had the misfortune of doing HR work to cover a employee on leave since she needed the money and all they do is just skim the degree name for buzzwords. The extra effort of effort just read a teensy bit more even after all the preliminary filtering and instant "NOs" is too much of a laboured task for them.

>>17043804
The US puts infinite money into the military with little budget discretion or evaluation (hence being called a swamp).

>>17043520
I know exactly what you mean and yes you have to settle for less interesting stuff at the beginning
5 years ago we were gods. physicists with coding skills could get into any highly respectable and interesting entry role we desired. now you're just another unemployed grad with nothing special to offer

>>17044689
>at the beginning

You settle for less interesting stuff out of necessity at the beginning. Then you get pigeonholed into that, because you are too old for entry level roles elsewhere, and the senior roles require exact matches with prior experience. If the stars align you may be able to pivot into middle management eventually, but short of being a human CC intermediary, once you get into a shitty career pipeline that pretty much sets the tone of the rest of your life.

>>17044692
>too old
bro you move on from your entry level job after 1-2 years, not 10

>>17044896
b-but I was promised a senior position with a 5% salary bump in 3 years!!

What is the best STEM PhD to get?

>>17044998
Good one.

>>17045065
And which one is it?

How do I get a job in power? No internships at all, but have EIT, some projects from now expired trial software, EE degree. Getting interviews, but cant help but feel I'm retarded and missing some critical factor

The only one lately who has gotten back to me for an interview is the fucking FBI for a special agent screening. Fuck it.

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>>17045116
i wanna do that

>>17045132
Put in an application for a special agent position. You only need a bachelors.

This job market is extremely discouraging.

>>17044998
Solid state physics
EE specializing in DSP/RF
Geology specializing in oil/gas field surveys

In any case, when you have a PhD, you should have wide ranging skills to have sufficient versatility for branching into other fields.

>>17045115
I'm assuming you have no work experience since you only mentioned student shit. Just spam apply to everything and be willing to move to wherever you get an offer. It doesn't have to be forever. After 2-3 years in power you can go anywhere and do whatever you want. As far as interviewing goes just relax, no one expects you to know anything about how power actually works because trust me you don't. You can mention the projects if you're in desperate need of something to talk about but be very humble about it and keep it brief. Biggest mistake you can make at your level is thinking you can impress the interviewers with your projects and larping like you know what the fuck you're talking about, they already know you don't.
Look up all the utilities and co-ops in your state or wherever you think you might like to live. There are also contractor firms like WSP and then there are also the RTOs but those would be more of a reach.
Last thing I'll say is if you get a job in transmission or generation be very careful about burning bridges, once you get to the transmission level of power it is a surprisingly small professional world, even in a country as big as the US. You will see the same names over and over again throughout your career.

>>17045116
Based

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Why do normies keep saying that school was more stressful than working? I just do not get it.

School
>clear expectations with explicit criteria for success
>clear structures and deadlines that are known well in advance
>support from peers and teachers.

Industry
>Chaos and unclear expectations
>Changing deadlines and goals
>No external structure. You need to keep track off your own tasks and assignments.
>No support from peers and bosses. Constant complaints about having to help the newbies.

>>17045354
>Solid state physics
terrible choice
t. unemployed thin film phd

Does anyone have some good paths to a PhD?

>>17045376
School: if you fuck up your mum will make your life hell
Job: if you fuck up you can not care and if you can't find work you can drink yourself to death (based)

Another morning, another "Thank you for your interest, but..."

>>17045384
Build time machine. Go back to 2018. Apply.

>>17045400
Hope you are doing well? Did they add "Take care" in the end?

>>17045427
>we look forward to receiving further applications from you!
Fuck off.

>>17045459
No, you are supposed to apply for the same position after a year, at the same date.

Why am I being persecuted so

> anon why don't you have a linkedin
> anon make a linkedin
> anon if you don't make one you will continue to be a jobless loser
why do they insist on this crap. I am a scientist not a bug chaser nor a psychopath.

>>17045116
This is actually cool anon. Feds get paid pretty well.

>>17045741
and if you make one god forbid you don't put a le professional photo

>>17045745
On the other hand, they'll be almost first in line for lynching if we were on a good worldline

>>17045751
I miss u Hitler

You have two internship offers. One is from a high-end semiconductor company and the other one is from a textile manufacturer.

However the semiconductor role is just a project-management documentation pusher role, while the internship at the textile company a true data analytics role.

Is choosing industry, no matter the role, more important than the function of the role? Yes? No? To what degree?

>>17045773
Nobody cares about what you did, the industry is super specialized anyway so no transferable knowledge exists. It's WHERE you worked is what matters.

>>17045786
So being a janitor for NASA is better than being a Data Engineer for Pampers.

>>17045787
Yeah just frame it differently: not janitor but "sanitary regulations compliance agent" or something.

>We have decided to pursue other candidate(s) for this position
Ah, so that's why this is the 4th time you've posted this same exact position? Skills mean nothing in the face of simply knowing someone.

>>17045789
Systems Engineer Intern (Sanitation)

>>17045831
One of my letters of rec is from a rich chiropractor I did blue collar work for. Knowing people is truly the only thing that matters.

This might be a better question for /g/ but they're currently so mind raped by AI I've been avoiding it.
>Have BS in mechanical engineering, MS in CS from a top 10 school in the US
>Worked for a FAANG company as a software dev for 4 years after grad school
>Got laid off, as a FAANG engineer does, and was pretty disillusioned with software engineering as a whole
>Did some interviews but while reading job descriptions realized it would just be more of the same shit I hated
>Got a job at a manufacturing company doing mechanical engineering instead.
>1.5 years later, found out the grass really isn't greener and I'm thinking of going back into software dev
>I'm now almost 30 and have taken almost 2 years off from professional software development
>Still have been programming, doing hobby projects like releasing indie games, and I programmed a bunch of automation tools for my manufacturing job
I keep hearing that it's harder than ever to get a software engineering job, but I'm wondering how hard it would be to get back into it. Is the interview process still just grinding LeetCodes or is it different now with AI and so many people leaving the industry?

>>17041870
I'm 27 i'm undeage?

>>17045872
What use is that?

>>17045936
Durr what use is that? You know all the rich doctors hang out with each other, right? It helped me a lot.

>>17045915
Most people in this general are in their 30s. You're almost not underaged.

>Get to second round technical interview this week
>Goes well, going over time because interviewer wanted to talk more
>Get rejection today
>"We were impressed by you skills and experience. We're going with candidates with skills and experience more aligned with this role
fuck this gay earth

>>17045960
I got the same shit. I wish I could do an Arasaka on them.

>>17046018
I'm surprised we're not seeing any of that happen.

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I abdandoned a career in ecological research because it's futile and unproductive and now I want it back

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Anyone else here consulting? Consulting seems to be a separate budget from hiring. Every interview I do feels like consulting because the interviewers are trying to get answers to questions they have already, as if I'm supposed to solve them for free. like above >>17045960
Sick of working for psychopaths and narcissists.

Is there even any point in even studying programming anymore ? Not even just for job purposes but to make cool things?
Feels like the circle jerk over low level and esoteric languages has completely died and everyone just uses some open source program if they need niche software or just AI
Crazy to see the scene die

>>17045948
He's a chiropractor, not a doctor...

>>17045831
its a ghost job they are not looking for anyone just want to test the market. Got burned on plenty of those myself. I don't get it why surely it costs them money to run a ad.

I got a post-doc position in a computational field I never worked before. Should be fun.

>>17046121
Neither is a PhD

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Your role has been impacted

>>17046318
Thank you for your interest, but we have decided to pursue other candidate(s).

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Alright, just scheduled my first test for the special agent position for the middle of the month. Wish me luck.

How the fuck do you decide what to do your thesis on?
I passed my exams and when I talked to my advisor about the things I was most interested in and asking about what grants he needed worked on and he basically said do whatever.
I know the direction I want to go in general, but nothing specific. I also might want some things that require either adding to the lab which I'll have to talk to my advisor about of course, but it seems so daunting to even decide on something.
Physics (and obviously US) if it matters.

>>17046593
if you want a job outside academia do something AI or experimental optics related. If you want to work on thin films maybe some PVD or MBE thing. Learn CAD while working on the thesis or some FEM simulation tool. If you want to be homeless pursue interesting physics.
No idea about other fields but I heard particle physicists also have good job options if you are willing to move.

>>17046659
>Learn CAD while working on the thesis or some FEM simulation tool
LOL. AI.

>>17046662
no? Its just a neat skill to have and the lab usually have licenses.

>>17046537
Good luck! Eat smth sweet, drink a lot of water, make sure to piss yourself, shake and show other type C disorder treats.

>>17046681
Honestly being a fed and making 120k a year sounds better than getting rejection after rejection for basic lab tech positions.

>>17046659
Experimental optics are what I'm interested in. Can't say too much about my lab without doxxing myself but they're mostly on the pure AMO side of optics.
There was a guy who just graduated who did thin films though and I fucking hate the precise thing he was doing but might try doing something similar with a different film.
I just don't know how I can pick something now when I barely know shit.

>>17046659
>experimental optics related

If you ever want to be paid more than 60k you better do this within the context of the quantum meme.

Otherwise you'll basically be a lab tech with more limited employment prospects than a real lab tech.

With warm regards,

/scg/ resident experimental optics schizo

>>17046987
>I just don't know how I can pick something now when I barely know shit.
the field doesnt matter all that much depending on your level. Bachelor? No one cares you can pivot anyway. Master? Well usually you have picked a lane here but you are still not hard coded and can switch easily. Phd? Here it becomes a important question but you can be quite flexible if you are willing to put in the effort.
Like I said pick experimental optics anything else is a meme degree right now because it doesn't get you employed even if something like designing linacs is better no one will care.

>>17046085
>behaves like a smug shitface
>proudly shows it off online for everyone
Uuuhh doesn't he know every employer checks your entire posting history with AI now?

>>17047140
You went to Oxford and Harvard and makes $60k? Grim as fuck.

is it possible for a physicists to pivot to analog or mixed signal design? I had a electronics course in university few years back and so I know the basics and still remember most but reading job ads they are all so vague.
Anyone here done it? I guess having a phd would give me more credibility in that regard. Everything seems to point towards a phd...

>>17046787
Interesting math, you think that position isn't competitive? With such a salary they could lure someone who's already working in a lab and has proven experience. Why do they need a constantly rejected (potential) looser?

>>17047211
C'est moi. Institution names are one thing, I think I did decent work in these places, and thought what I was doing was applicable enough to be employable.

For what it's worth, in the US things would likely be better. As is, I can't even get interviews to get a better job.

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>>17047217
>is it possible for a physicists to pivot to analog or mixed signal design?
I think so, especially if you did Applied Physics. I also worked on instrumentation, which also helped. I don't do electronics design these days but I need to understand the basics for my work.
>I had a electronics course in university few years back and so I know the basics and still remember most but reading job ads they are all so vague.
Get a /ham/ license, that will teach you plenty of analogue RF electronics and soem DSP which also makes you marketable.
>Anyone here done it?
Only a little bit but then again I have a /ham/ license.
>I guess having a phd would give me more credibility in that regard. Everything seems to point towards a phd...
Correct.

t.PhD Physics

>>17045881
with a top university masters degree and faang experience you should not have major problems.

the real question is what companies are you aiming for. if you want faang again or hft or ai labs like anthropic and openai it will probably be harder. if it is just a fortune 500 or some other noname midsize company it will be easier.

regarding interviews almost nothing has changed. leetcode is still just as important. system design is still just as important and maybe even more important than before. ai assisted coding is already present at some companies while others do not have it. it is totally random. sometimes they also ask for lld coding like building tic tac toe without ai or give you a piece of code to review. in ai assisted sections if you get one you will likely need to build a complete application and you must show that you understand all the code.

you can spin your 1.5 years of experience in mechanical engineering as taking any job just to have work after a layoff. but it is better to frame it as doing software automation almost full time. or you can aim defense companies.

> so many people leaving the industry
mostly people aged 35 plus and 40 plus old folks who managed to save up for fire are leaving. those who are 20 to 35 years old stay in the industry and do not go anywhere. my us citizen acquaintances are now moving to companies like anduril palantir and other similar defense and near defense places. there are a lot of startups in this sector.

by the way defense is probably the best fit for you since mechanical engineering or electrical engineering experience is likely welcomed there in some places.

>>17043308
>>17043162
is it possible to do a weeb rotation if my phd is from a national uni in an irrelevant eurocunt and my phd job experience is all full time at the same research instute I did my phd at?

or do they only take elite burgeroid unis

>>17043564
kek I remember, xir has become a legend in the months I was away?

>>17045376
normalfags aren't autistic like you. their entire life is like the job reality you describe because they aren't able to process the clear and unambiguous requirements of schooling anyway. but in school they get a bad score for just beeing themselves, there is nothing they can do about it and it stresses them out.

>>17047217
>had a electronics course in university few years back and so I know the basics
kek

nigger

why do you think the requirements are "vague"? electrical engineering is a whole ass 4-5 year degree they expect you to have. they are talking about specific skills that take thousands of hours to develop and you don't even recognize

the rule of thumb is if you don't know exactly what kind of work they mean by every word in the job description you are NGMI

Answer me

>>17047726
I did a PhD at a non-Russell Group university and still got a postdoc at what now is AIST in Tsukuba, Japan. Great experience, can recommend.

>>17042269
>conference
>publication
lmao

>>17045950
>Most people in this general are in their 30s
No.

>>17047384
Ask them yourself you slimy faggot.

>>17047850
Unfortunately, yep.

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>>17047925
Lack of effort—employees are too expensive to waste the time and money on anyone who is not putting in 110% and already 200+% above their peers. However, employment is a choice—take a risk, start a business: with AI this is easier than ever before and once you are making your own rules employment becomes visible as the trap it is. At the end of the day if you are not willing to work hard then the market will replace you with someone who is—whether that be as an employee or a business owner.

>>17047925
I can relate 50% of the time in experimental physics was spent on cleaning stuff. Either cleaning containers or chambers or probes or wafer or deposition tip.
Its a good chunk of jannie work even at phd level.
Also for some reason people thing if you studied physics you sat on your ass all day playing with theoretical stuff which is wrong you do nearly everything yourself but no one appreciates it.

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>>17047928
>put in 110% effort, make all As, take hardest courses possible, network with PhDs and MDs, join clubs, do volunteer work, research, and gain valuable skills for industry jobs
>Thank you for your interest, but we have decided to pursue other cadidate(s)

>>17047933
Try harder—you are clearly lying about the effort you put in. Businesses want an employee who goes the extra mile: forget 996—007 is the minimum in the AI future.

>>17047934
I wish I was lying, but okay anon!

>>17047933
Sounds like you're a prime candidate for continuing on to medical school. Just do that and leave the pipette bitch jobs to the MSc and PhDs who will never do anything of note or value.

>>17047935
Take a risk—start a business: no one owes you a job. With AI success is easier than ever before. Medical technology is a great market to break in to right now: AI is capable of handling much of the compliance work that has historically made the field expensive and difficult to succeed in.

>>17047925
>masters degree in medical physics
Well first off a master's degree in non-medical physics is a consolation prize for failing out of your PhD program, not a good thing. This isn't always the case for medical physics in particular, but if you don't go for a PhD you'll probably struggle to get a residency, and if you don't get a residency you are practically illegal to hire. It's not that masters can't get residencies, but the numbers are against them and it's competitive.
Basically they chose a path that's known to have the bottom ~third fail out and landed in that bottom third.

>>17047918
I'm not a slimy faggot, don't call me like that.

>>17047844
You clearly have no idea how publishing in AI works. Apologise to me this instant.

>>17047938
Society owes me a job for what it did to me during childhood. If this contract isn't honored I will join ISIS.

>>17047984
Then don't be one? If I get a letter back saying "we reviewed your experience, come sit for the phase I exam" then I assume they're interested.

>>17047984
Become gay immediately, this is an order.

>>17047998
I'm not one. I just called you for a reason because your statement was generic. And now you shared that it's from your personal experience and it's all clear now.

>>17048008
I'm bisexual.

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>>17047920
the /sci/ence is settled, chud

>>17048084
Doubt.

>>17048084
>my previous PI could be posting ITT
*shudder*

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STEM degrees are useless now. I talked to my friends from high school who went on to study physics. Of the five, only one managed to get a software engineer job at some stagnant company for a small salary. He worked there for 8 months and then was replaced by an AI and then laid off. The other 4 have never worked at all and are simply living as NEETs with their parents.

Meanwhile just a few years ago my older friends easily found jobs as software engineers after graduation, and some went into science as postdocs after PhD. There were no unemployed people.

STEM is waste of time. It's grim here.

>>17048084
Highly doubt.

>>17048161
true they just want UE3-5 anime games or soul kei shit,retro gook faggotry, sqlite database on the phone the easiest DB that always work with paid dollar becuz large kompunies never paid them good shit but their serfdom muh frontend backend shit leet code js inject query shitstorm advanced graphical shiny tards

>>17042914
they're trying to force young men into the military

>>17048253
to play actually easy red 2 modding chinese civil war

>>17047844
in comp sci and the traditional engineering disciplines (EE, ME) most publications are 8-10 page conference articles. a journal is where surveys or very extensive systematic parameter grid studies go, most interesting results go into conference proceedings informally and arXiv in practice.

>>17048279
>informally
*formally

>>17048084
Ah. That explains why this general is complete fucking trash.

Happy labor day...lol

>>17048440
Feels nice to have labor day off (I'm unemployed)

>>17048669
me too
i wanna see that secret blacklist they got because i said "shit" one time in an email

>>17048727
actually that's not true i spent the day working on troubleshooting and pull requests on github
i love working for free

would you guys drive 100km back and forth every day for a job? Wondering if I should move or just drive the car. The train is double the time but I guess its comfier. When I lived in the US driving for >1h was seen as normal but the Euros seem to find that pointless.

>>17048904
>would you guys drive 100km back and forth every day for a job?

Only if you can eventually go remote or something. Travelling 200km every day will eat away at you in the long run. When I used to commute an hour in each direction everyday it made me very derpessed after a few months. I went by train which is nice because you can read or watch a film or something but still it is too much imo.

>>17048916
An hour is pretty normal here in the states if you don't want to live around colored people.

I think I found out my former boss is part of a paper mill scheme. Him and his protege are the only white authors on a bunch of Chinese and Korean papers but somehow they're in Nature.

>>17049252
Paper mill in Nature?? That is serious news. Have you checked if he or the protege are listed in Retraction Watch?

Is it even worth going into Energy Materials/Battery Materials Science? It seems like China has already won the race here.

>>17049289
My folks spent a month in Shanghai. What they described to me was a total energy victory by the Chinese.

>>17049252
I'm so sick of fucking proteges. No daughter of mine will date a protege I can promise you that.

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>>17047998
Maybe I'll apply as well. Worse they can do is tell me no.

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Is a BE in Mechatronics worth it or is the degree another meme where I'll end up applying to ME and EE jobs while being worse at them than other applicants?
Is robotics a safe field?

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Hello guys, I would like to ask for advice about going into math academia grad school. I really enjoyed my analysis and PDE classes so far, which universities focus on this kind of research? How hard is it to get in? My dream would be to one day (even if just a tiny little contribution) get to work on the Navier-Stokes problem, and maybe also get tenure. I hope the question is fine here since it is basically a career question. Any advice is welcome

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>>17049326

>>17049326
I hope you are wealthy enough not to worry about getting a job ever.

>>17049307
>bachelors
>field
nigger it doesn't matter.
>mechatronics
can mean anything from a short vocational training cert for field technicians to a full engineering degree.

I did one called "mechatronics" but it was just a mechanical engineering course with a bunch of EE and programming classes swapped in for some of the more advanced pure mechanical classes. legally it still counts as a mechanical engineering degree in my shitty little eurocunt and the job market treats them as largely equivalent. but it is easier to switch to industrial controls or software because you get more exposure to such things.

but that's undergrad and it matters fuck all. I ended up doing a master's in CS and my PhD in robotics (technically also CS), and the only thing that matters now is specifically what problems I have worked on in the past and what I know how to do

Any tips for a interview revolving around optics, mechanics and electronics? Its some kind of semi conductor gig I know that part very well but the optic part is rather poorly understood by me. I don't get how I got this invite its a long shot but a chance at least...

>>17050323
From this vaguest of descriptions I'm guessing the day-to-day would be to figure out how to make a gizmo to perform a task. So get the big picture specs, identify key parts that satisfy the specs without being complete overkill, slap parts together with Solidworks, check mounting with stock components or custom hardware where necessary, 3D print/machine/order custom bits, slap the optics into Zemax to figure out if it might do approximately what you want it to do before buying the $40k laser, wire shit together maybe making custom PCBs with KiCAD to prevent worst ghetto snake nests, program some microcontrollers with whatever to do little shit tasks you can't get off-the-shelf parts for, shove it all into LabVIEW to control the full system, sacrifice goats until it finally works.

>>17050323
Hello stupid, stinky brown person.
I would begin by reading the job description.
In particular look for the "summary" or "job responsibilities" section (usually introduced by a header in bold letters.)
Then I would go to the company website and see if I could find more information about their "gigs."
If you are feeling really adventurous you might even venture onto other sites like wikipedia or youtube and see if you can find even more information there.
Hope this helps.

>>17050623
there is no detail about any of that thats why I am asking. The job description itself is very vague its via a third party which doesn't disclose the client nor the content of the job. All I got is a call and link for the interview.
>>17050370
sounds like standard lab work but I was more interested in knowing how hard the optic part is I have never done much of that besides the usual undergraduate training. Or if there are questions I should know.

I'm a loser who's wasted his life studying inane bullshit and failing to gain any sort of meaningful employment, I'm a victim of forces beyond my understanding and yeah I suck dick.

My CCAT scores are great and my resume is perfectly padded, but I have never been hired after an interview. Pretending to be human in a fake social process that I know is graded against a rubrick makes me feel like a replicant taking the chud test in blade runner

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You were all laughing at him back in the day. Who is laughing now?

Is it possible for a working class northerner salt of the earth chippy tea with reet proper gravy flat roof pub real ale Brexit bulldog to get a job that pays in excess of 100000 pounds sterling a year?

>>17051047
NO! We have no advice for you, move on idiot

>>17051047
Not in the UK, that is certain. You would need an oxbridge degree and a new dialect to have any chance. Try going abroad.

>>17051048
Oh but we do, the FAQ is crystal clear: leave UK as soon as possible after graduation.

>>17051047
You let your country be overrun, so now that job belongs to Poodeep Stinkh. Good job.

>>17051047
off shore oil? Depending on your accent you could make english courses.

I'm sick of spending my life acting like a struck dog

>>17051214
34 here. It gets worse.

how low should I go wagewise for my first job after my msc in physics? Non programmer physics jobs seem to have miserable pay in Germany like 48k€ is the lowest 55k seems standard 62k if you are lucky. Seems like if I demanded 65k while living in Munich I would still get laughed at...

>>17051698
Why bother getting higher pay if you just pay more taxes in the end. Get any job and do appropriate amount of work. Apply for gibs if you can.

My advisor got big money from Microsoft to work on LLMs, and now I have to work on LLMs. I can't fucking take it anymore. I don't want to work on this shit. I am literally become death except a lot less cooler.

>>17052139
Just secure the bag player, the worlds ending get yourself some box fresh sneakers and a chain or something

>>17050945
he was truly ahead of his time

I distinctly remember reading about him and thinking
>heh, this is what you get for being the kind of loser who gets a PhD rather than finding a real job
and look me now

So my dreamjob is to work in industrial data analytics, preferably in battery manufacturing, maybe semiconductors.

I have already 2 years of student jobs in industrial R&D in other materials science fields. I know was offered an internship in data analytics at a textile company however it is heavily focuses on CRM and Business Intelligence, so q bit of a diversion.

What do you think, is it worth it?

My fetishes are freedom and wealth.

My pronouns are un/employable.

... and yeah I suck dick.

>>17052700
What motivated you to write it here?

>>17051797
its not just higher pay but I get to play around with complex machines. No other place near me is willing to hire me as a wage slave.

>>17052713
I'm 5'9, 275 pounds, wear supreme five panel camp caps, love second generation ska music...

... and yeah I suck dick.

>>17047933
The spot is for 1 person. It just wasn't you

There really is a caste of people who are smiled upon by the economy isn't there? People with all the right tick marks next to them?

How can I, a character out of a Mike Leigh film, ever compete? With my laughable Russell group education no less?

Curse my builders tea drinking, ex-footie hooligan and divorced women befriending, low cultural capital, two up two down, polytechnic degree having, peter kay esque family. Why couldn't I have been born somewhere more fitting my bookish nature? Like Highgate or I'd even accept North Finchley. Why must I covet ten pints of best bitter and a fry up with a spunk load of daddies brown sauce the next morning? Why must I have the body of a cruel beast of burden instead of the lithe intellectual body of a secular north london jew. Maybe then I wouldn't have been so cruelly cast out after my cambridge interview...

>>17052305
I don't understand how people even post these things with all things that's going on.

>>17047933
This happened to me a few times, you are not alone. Not that I am bitter, but I tracked these companies over a few years and concluded that in reality I had dodged a bullett. Companies permeated by nepotism are places you do not want to go.

>>17052830
I graduated in May, and it has happened ever since save for a few interviews where the money wasn't good enough. I've put in many many applications.

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>>17052881
I believe you, I was rejected for over a year before I got a job. So hang on in there, WAGMI.
And pic. related.

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Do you fellows include your PhD years as experience on your resume?

>>17051698
>48k€ is the lowest 55k seems standard 62k if you are lucky
Yep that sounds about right. And it's even worse elsewhere in Europe. Not only that, your salary will not actually increase that much with experience. So you'll be making 60-70k mid-career.

I have been getting increasingly possessed by the idea of quitting my engineering job to get a degree in physics. I am being fucking stupid right?

>>17053108
A degree as in a BS? Why?
As in a PhD? Why?
Your earnings will be considerably less either way. The line between physics and engineering research often disappears depending on what you're doing.
Why?

>>17053127
BS first and PhD ultimately I guess? Two reasons. Increasingly feeling unsatisfied with my job as far as it being (at the risk of being up my own ass) "intellectually stimulating", and the project managers and finance guys are getting increasingly grating, though I guess that is a curse in any job.
I've also found out about Lorentz Ether Theory and Bohmian Mechanics recently and its gotten me digging into that and wishing I knew far more about modern physics experiments and theories than I currently do.
I am an electrical engineer so I could maybe looking into a PhD in that direction. Though my grads where not great when getting my engineering bachelors.
>Your earnings will be considerably less either way.
Ya.. that is definitely something to keep in mind lol

>>17053131
There is literally no reason to do a BS if you're an EE. You are probably half-retarded.
In the slight chance you're not, you can try to get a PhD in whatever, eventually transition from being a glorified lab technician to theory, and be intellectually stimulated at the cost of seven figures of lifetime earnings and genuine misery during grad school.
Or you could just realize work is work and do something that fulfills you in your free time.

>>17053131
which topic do you find interesting that you can't just pick up via a review paper? Studying physics is a bad idea it doesn't teach much its just a structured self learn program with access to a lab.

>>17053151
>There is literally no reason to do a BS if you're an EE.
No way my background knowledge on physics would be sufficient.
>You are probably half-retarded.
Odds are decent on that ya.

>>17053165
Fair point, and even for structured learning I can probably just grab textbooks and course outlines online. And if profs are still like when I went to uni the clankers wont do a worse job explaining questions I have

>>17053171
depends on the prof my uni had a lot of good profs but also a few bad ones. Most of the bad ones where theoretical physicists. Also you don't have to be a student to ask questions you can just meet at a conference and ask them they love talking about their research but be warned that 10min talk feels like reading a chapter in a textbook.

>>17053171
>No way my background knowledge on physics would be sufficient.
For what though? For just a PhD? You've got the E&M, quantum is piss easy. You might struggle in classical and stat mech, but that's fine. If you wanted to do semiconductor thin films or something an EE is absolutely a fine background. If you wanted to actually do Lorentz ether or Bohmian mechanics then lol, lmao

>>17052935
Yes. I put my PhD, post-docs and VAP stint under experience because it is even if industry does not value it highly.

>>17052935
Earlier, when there was less experience, yes.

Now that it's been 5 years and 3 job titles post-PhD, no. It is a short snipped in the "Education" section and my resumes are always one-page.

If it was particularly relevant to the job, I might add it under Experience. It never is.

What should I do in this situation?
>almost 2 yr as grad in massive engineering consulting firm that has been going through multiple restructuring
>self-driven learning because no budget or time to bring fresh blood like us up to speed
>somehow always end up in projects that were mismanaged with little to no downtime
>department starts shoving AI down our throat and tells us to do more with less
I doubt my situation will improve if I stick around longer. Even if I leave, the skills I've developed are not well sought after for grad level roles. What a dilemma.

>>17053578
Forgot to mention
>offshore x% to India is now a mandatory company KPI

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>spend a decade trying to be a bioinformatician
>get dream job, use AI sometimes
>used to treat AI like my slave to do menial tasks
>now my boss uses it to review grants for her
>it’s becoming increasingly obvious AI doesn’t need scientists or professors anymore and nobody seems alarmed about it
>all my schooling and all universities are going to go the way of the dinosaur

Is there literally anything I can do about this besides becoming a terrorist blowing up data centers? Or just becoming a farmer/fisherman? Either way I think I’ve slowly accepted my fate and that I was born into the wrong era to be a thinker but wondering if anyone else here feels this discouraged

>>17053613
To be honest if AI can replace you you probably weren't doing real science, just being a human calculator.

>>17050150
>but that's undergrad and it matters fuck all. I ended up doing a master's in CS and my PhD
Bachelor's degree is the only one that truly matters. You only do a Master's if you fail to find a job and want to dick around some more. Nobody really gives a fuck and I regret doing it.
PhD is hit or miss but from a financial standpoint it's overall retarded.

>>17053613
>Or just becoming a farmer/fisherman
Being a baker sounds a lot more enjoyable.

>>17053641
>real science
You mean writing grants, ordering around your student slaves and participating in conferences? That's manager shit.
The research is the hypothesis -> experiment -> conclusion loop. For now AI struggles only in the "experiment" part except for simulations (if you could even take simulations seriously KEK).
The next logical step for research institutions is to replace all expensive PhDs with cheap technicians that act as an API for the real world and perform commands given by AI.
Research is over.

Thinking about doing a photonics phd

Why are people on /sci/ so mean? Why can’t pro-AI people realize that if you take away everything cool a human can do we might as well all kill ourselves
We aren’t heading towards a future where everyone is a cozy NEET who pursues their own passion we’re heading towards a future where everyone is incredibly depressed and can’t afford to live.
This is the worst possible outcome. I was against work automation and UBI before AI but this is even worse than that. It’s passion and hobby automation too. Just total replacement. Why even live? I don’t understand how they think this can only apply to mathematicians either or that it’s a matter of ego.
I can’t live like this guys like what is even the point in anything anymore. There’s just no future anymore

i majored in computer science at my prestigious school across the state from me. after eight straight years of unemployment and ruminating on every detail of my life id do differently i wish i majored in english instead at the college in my own town. there’s no recovering from my life at this point. if you kill yourself do you get a second chance? i have zero interest in my own life or what I could turn it into at all.

God, I'm sorry. I was only joking about wanting to rape my supervisor to death. So if you could stop doing that to me in a cruel ironic twist of fate that would be hugely appreciated.

>>17053854
Have you seen any pro-AI people on this board showing interest in balanced rational discussion? I haven't. It makes me 99% sure all pro-AI posters here are trolls. Just ignore them.

>>17054003
>he thinks pro-AI posts are written by humans
I can't believe anti-AI luddites like you still deny agentic LLMs.

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I just got into a lab under a good professor as a 4th year undergrad with 2.7 cGPA.
Believe in yourself /sci/!

>>17054041
God smiles on some people. Others he curses.

>>17054041
congrats undergrad-kun
but I don't think a semester and a half of undergrad research is really worth bringing up in the science CAREER general

Meirl
>[TANP-056] The quiet super-perverted IT engineer was a creampie meat toilet femboy OK with endless deepthroat gulping, getting huge cocks slammed into him and going crazy with ahegao orgasms as a masochistic girl.

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>>17054083
Isn't it my undergrad CAREER though? :(

>>17053578
So in another 2 years, would you like to be in the same situation you're in today or with 2 years of experience at a less shit place

The universe is right to deny me employment. If I got a good job I'd probably just waste my money getting laced up by Johnny Dang and trying to put rims on a Volvo.

No offence but you would have killed yourself if you had the childhood I had. No offence. You're just not built ford f150 built tough but sad like that.

If I can't do what I know I was put on this earth to do I will be the first swagged out white boy to join Hezbollah. And That's A Promise.

Man wtf is wrong with the people on here

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Anyone here designs Lithography equipment for a living? Or does Optic design? Wondering how hard it is to pick up I got a invite for the position but I only ever dealt with something like pic before and that was mostly just modeling sws and tinkering with CST.

>be engineer, impressive CV but no experience
>one thing I hate to be is customer facing
>all entry roles are customer facing

>>17054479
No man, read the room we are all on the verge of blowing our own brains out.

>>17054041
How? Doesn't low gpa automatically get you sorted to the rejection pile?

>>17053854
Pro-AI people are of two types:
1. Those who have never had and never have been interested in developing a skill. They view AI as a second-coming for them.
2. Those who have skill, but think AI will make their jobs way easier (it will unemploy them).
It's typically the first who are rude. Imagine if you're a loser neet with nothing to show for, and then finally you get a chance at what you think is redemption, you'd be pissed if people are against it.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry for not having an ivy league education. Just put me out of my fucking misery now

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I'm stuck in a state of paralysis waiting for my professors to give me (email) feedback on the final two sentences they want me to fix before submitting my thesis. It's like I have to use the bathroom, but nothing would come out.
Guess I'll just reread the university's guidelines one final time to make sure it'll pass.

>>17054638
Thesis Roberts. Cram it! Fundie! Kek it's based!

>>17054468
Mental illness caused by too much anime

>>17054492
don't, not yet
first apply for gibs and burdenmaxx the system that failed you

>>17054468
It's like /r9k/ but rejected by employers instead of women.

Though that Venn diagram has to be pretty close to a circle.

I'm just gonna start bold-faced lying on my CV. I don't care any more.

>>17041870
I think I suck at interviews.
I don’t get many interviews, but when I do, I always say something that throws me out. Sometimes it’s as simple as bringing up pay when they have a limited budget, other times it’s mentioning my current job in construction.
I got three interviews this week. All for either lab tech roles or field research.
I really want one of these even if it’s a pay cut. (Within reason. I will not go below 38k)
How do I note sperg out and fuck this up again?

>>17054860
I think it’s inverted.
When I was young, I was more marketable. I could be anything. Now, anyone sees that degree, age, or work history; it’s “are you really gonna stay here?”
With girls, they never wanted the man starting out. They wanted the man old enough to have a savings account and retirement fund. I didn’t have a gf until I was 23. Didn’t have sex until 27.

>>17054903
go back in time and make your mother not ingest toxins and get enough vitamins while you're in the womb and then beat the weird out of yourself as a kid

>>17054638
>final two sentences they want me to fix before submitting my thesis
profs do that? I thought you are not supposed to ask the checking instance for corrections.

>>17054709
I don't watch anime fuck off

>>17054910
>I didn’t have a gf until I was 23. Didn’t have sex until 27.
Rookie numbers son

I didn't have a job until I was never.

>>17055025
Maybe?
I was given a short list of things they wanted me to fix. My primary professor rewrote a few of my sentences for academic tone, then checked out after saying those two critical sentences needed to be replaced with a new source. My secondary professor, who had made the initial critique on them, was happy to point me in the right direction and then confirm I had written an acceptable replacement.

I have only been speaking with my main professor until now, and his typical method of operation is to be utterly hands off until I have completed a section of my thesis.

I got that corporate slave mentality. Real goyim hours. Errybody talkin bout time off and raises and shit while I be doing mad unpaid overtime. They aint know they be first on the chopping block come layoff time. I be at the office party munching on mediocre pizza laughing at erry lame joke from the boss mouf. Yall aint ever brown nosed a day in ya damn life.

>>17055219
>I'll be fine as long as I behave a like a good goy
Brown nosing I agree as long as you have certain traits. But that is not remotely the same as "working hard".
There is probably some dude at your company who kisses your boss's ass better and in a more memorable manner than you while slacking off and dodging overtime.

>>17055233
You can do both. Believe in yourself.

>>17055236
I never claimed the opposite

Why is getting a job so difficult right now?

>>17044692
I will always be a bi developer despite wanting to be a software eng. Those fags gatekeep like mad

t. 7th year of work. physics bsc

>>17055497
Because ai makes everything worse for everyone except for a few dozens of ai researchers.
Also unironically jews.

>>17055666
>jews
i think you mean the 400k-650k immigrants Canada let's in each year

>>17055667
As I was saying

>>17041870
I visit my friends who have jobs, apartments, girlfriends. They’re not that much happier. The ceiling of human happiness isn’t that high. They get used to what they have, they want more. When I’m going on a run through a trail in the woods on a nice day, my mind wandering away from employment and other worries, I’m as happy as anyone, employed or otherwise. For that brief time at least.

>>17054505
Lol anit-AI people acting like we have a choice in the matter. We must enjoy the ride and hope for the 10% chance we get something good out of AI. Also anti-AI people cannot decide if they prefer the AI is garbage that cannot do anything new cope or it will take muh jerb cope

>>17055679
LOL that's a cope brother

>>17055745
You are a resource.

>>17055753
I never stated the opposite though? Most of us are permanent underclass. You can study hard, then work hard all you want but you will still get peanuts and pay 70% taxes like a good resource you are.
Then all your "fruits of labour" will be devalued by a money printer and your skillset obsoleted by AI.

sickening rapeable linkedin faggot

You play "ultimate"?

First of all, it's not a real sport. Secondly I hope the frisbee chops your fucking head off. Fuck you.

>>17055758
>I never stated the opposite though?
Hope you are doing well with this thought?

>>17055758
>your skillset obsoleted by AI.
Have you tried getting a real skillset?

>>17055763
>rapeable
>>17041870
>Underage

can anyone explain this trend/meme

>>17055891
We can do this the easy way, or we can do this the hard way. Take your prick.

>>17055899
yes, whats with the rapey attitude?

did this spawn out of "mans gotta eat" mentality after ai BTFOd you stem-cels?

>>17055863
>posting this on /sci/
LMAO
what ai can't do yet is technician work like cutting up mice and connecting optical fibers in a lab
your degrees mean nothing

>>17055912
Lurk moar

Wow this thread is depressing I’m a freshman at Catholic University of America for a combined BS/MS program in Biology
Is it really that hopeless to make a career in STEM?

>>17055679
>For that brief time at least.
It will be longer than that. For years I was a broke postdoc, then got into industry, still broke, got used to not having much money. I was so broke that female colleagues credit checked me and told me when they got drunk, during a company party, that no woman would ever marry someone as broke as me.
Today, 10+ years later, I have a well paid job, paid down all debts, could retire anytime I want but I have kept my spartan lifestyle. The only real change is that I don't double check the price tag of everything before I buy groceries. I am happy with what I have.

and of you successfully get laid off for not doing your work, but still get severence pay?

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It's 1AM and I don't want to sleep
I don't want tomorrow to come
I don't want into my wage cage again

>>17056190
what do you do?

>>17041870
I noticed there’s a gap of one month between these two positions you worked years ago. Would you mind explaining what you were doing during that time?

I don't think the client I went to today appreciated me complimenting his wife on her garden and hair style.

Nice internship and charmed existence you smug linkedin fuck

>>17056190
just take the day off
t. 4 am

>>17056267
>gap of one month
Just remove the gap. I cannot believe people still aren't lying on their CVs. Companies will lie to you about roles, duties, benefits etc and not blink and yet you still play fair. Even if you have a 6m gap just prolong your last job. It's as simple as that,

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Supervisor rapes me

There are people in this thread going through things you couldn't imagine

You guys should be thankinng me considering how much more deranged and unhinged my posts could be considering the things that are happening to me