>Physical measurements can have irrational lengths ok this is just ridiculous. I'm just supposed to accept that a calculated shape has a length that never ends. You will always have some infinitely small opening on its calculated side. But if you actually made a 1x1 square and measured its diagonal length, even at the atomic level the length will end, proving its side length genuinely terminates. You can't have an irrational length and a closed object at the same time - this concept is fully contradictory and makes zero practical sense. Are you also saying that the circumference of a circle is never truly ever closed because Pi is irrational? An opening in a shape no matter how small it is, is still an opening. All shapes will "leak" if they have irrational side lengths which is retarded.
>midwit mistakes the platonic world with the real onemany (finite) such cases
>>17045775>mathematics has nothing to do with reality Then why are we even taught it in school
>>17045776To count potatos for tax purposes.
>>17045771I think computers exposed the necessisty of distinguishing exactness from precison at iteration. Prior to calculators it was alot easier to hand wave over equations, now if they console.log(1.3-1.1) and dont receive 0.2 back but 0.1999999999997 they immediately see the charade. Float point errors make ai non deterministic even when temperature is removed, division in hot path errors have formed the basis of many billions in crypto hacks.New technology, new demands of math
>>17045776because someone too retarded to work with abstractions like irrational numbers won't be able to fare any better with fractions of integers that are in an orders of magnitude of 10^23 (~atoms in a fraction of a gram of material)
>>17045771That is a lot of words to realize that things are made out of atoms and as such every "circle" is actually at best an irregular polygon made of an incomprehensibly large number of atoms, and even that is incorrect. However, space is for all intents and purposes continuous down to QM length scales, so you won't get rid of irrational prefactors so easily. When you rotate an object in a space that is not curved it retains its lengths exactly. So if rotation is continuous what lengths are and are not irrational becomes a matter of your choice of coordinate system. >All shapes will "leak" if they have irrational side lengths which is retarded.I think your thinking has yet to catch up with, let's be charitable, 200 years of physics
>You're just stupidnot a rebuttal. OP hasn't been debunked
>>17045799>has been told exactly why he is stupid>still doesn't get itCan lead a downs syndrome horse to water but can't make it drink, I suppose
>>17045771>length will end, proving its side length genuinely terminates.Wrong.After about 15 decimals the length of the digit is about the size of a proton, soon after that its entering Planck lengths and then even smaller...in fact, infinitely smaller because the precision never ends.Irrationals are that way because theyre ratioed from 1, but from the perspective of the irrationals themselves they become whole integers and the 1 becomes an irrational approximation that goes on forever.
>>17045771Just buy a 1.412… scale ruler.D’uh.
>>17045807>15 decimals the lengthFrom the length of a meter. It "terminates" but beyond the ability to measure. Mathematics in reality smudge numbers because the precision youre seeking breaks Physics itself, ergo sub-Planck precision, you could never prove nor find the termination point because its so small an electron could be the size of the universe and it still would trail off out of sight.
there's no such thing as 1.0, irrational numbers are just a way for reality to remind us we have no idea what we are doing while assigning natural numbers to measurements
>>17045813this is the correct answer
>>17045771Yes, the underlying foundations of mathematics are false and so lead to absurdities like this.Its a shock when you first realize that the most simple constructions are logically inconsistent. Its a bigger shock when you think how the entire system is like a house of cards. The biggest bigger shock when you see the monkeys rush to brush your objections aside.Monkeys? No, actually more like trained dogs.>>17045813Thank God there are some humans in this thread.>>17045775>>17045788>>17045801Good boys! Such good boys aren't you? Yes you are! Here. Have a meaty bone! Good boys! Now do your tricks! Roll over! Beg! Fetch! Such good dogs!
>>17045917see >>17045795Do not bother replying. You have nothing of value to say.
>>17045771>Physical measurements can have irrational lengthsoh no, he thinks math has to have a basis in reality, he's retarded
>>17045775fpbp>>17045771Irrational numbers are finite. We just can't measure sqrt(2) to infinite precision. Rest of your post is nonsense.
>>17045771Physical measurements can’t even have integer lengths.
>>17045945>Woof woof!Whats that boy? You wanna another treat? Go on, beg then. What a good doggy you are!
Wait a minute, doesn't this all prove that math is indeed an abstract construct that doesn't map 1:1 on the natural world? Why is there even a debate?
>>17045771>Physical measurements can have exact lengthsis it genetic or what happened to your head?
>>17046407Why do you insist on demonstrating your lack of intelligence?
>>17046009What is "sidelength 1"?
>>17046475Can you prove my claim wrong?
>>17045795No offense but you do sound mentally disturbed. Have your tried taking your meds?
>>17046480Singular. At best it’s “a measurement”—not “measurements.”
>>17046620Was anything of what I said incoherent or difficult to understand?
>>17045771It is a topic of much debate by mathematicians today. Likely it will be for a long time to come.But you will not get much in the way of sensible answers here. In fact the questions around it invoke a surprising and bizarre amount of hostility on mainstream forums. My own observations are that people behind the hostility are of the same low mentality as those who derided people like Ignaz Semmelweis, Charles Darwin, and Alfred Wegener. To name just three.This link may be relevant to your interests.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REeaT2mWj6Y
>>17047110>crank shitany actual math papers or just vixra tier gobbledigook
>>17047110this is just some retard discovering that real numbers form an infinite dimensional vector space in the rationals. He could go on and tack on every irrational square root, and still not be done.
>>17046640>At best it’s “a measurement”......to which all other measurments are derived from, such as pi, e, i, phi, etc.
>>17047135Physics has error bars, lil brohow many years have you been here and still not absorbed enough to pass the first bachelor semester in physics
>>17045775this
>>17045771>I'm just supposed to accept that a calculated shape has a length that never ends.No, brainlet. You're just supposed to accept that if you pick a never-ending representation for that length (for example, by using the bottom of the triangle as your yardstick) then the representation will never end.
>>17047147>PhysicsWHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PHSYICS?...>>17046009>Physical measurements can’t even have integer lengths.>>17046480>What is "sidelength 1"?BECAUSE YOU GOT BLOWN THE FUCK OUT?>>17047147>lil broAh...youre a gender confused ZOG-Golem who worships Jeffery Epstein the bi-gendered God of transgenders.>how many years have you been hereYou HATE that your God is proven inferior, you SEETH like a Talmudic Edomite.>and still not absorbed enough to pass the first bachelor semester in physicsYOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT A NUMBER IS!!!!You will NEVER be a Physicist, Mathematician, or Metrologist.. you are a Western (Occident means "to fall", as in a (((Falling Temple)))) twisted by ZOG-lies ans brainwashing into a crude mockery of UBERMENSCH potential.You HATE the good, because you are NOT the good.
>>17047135>derivedLol, those are all “derived” WITHOUT physical measurements, dipshit; what I said is >>17046009 and it stands (in fact, it’s pissing on you right now, as you sit).
>>17047173>tumblr_ lol>blah blah talmundlow IQ poltard and tumbrite? daaamn.>WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PHSYICS?...this thread is about physical lengths, that's what OPs gobbledigook is about, lol>What is "sidelength 1"?where is that "btfo" you are talking about? Legths have units in physics which are only known up to a certain precision. That is a fact that would need serious empirical evidence to shake. Any actually material thing (anything you can touch) has no meaningful measurements at a scale that is sub-Angstrom.
>>17047213>low IQAre you qualified to perform Cognitive tests on people over the internet?No? Why are LARPing on 4Chan?...>TalmudA Develomental Cognition guide book, which become Hereditary Cognition and Genomics.KEEP THIS STEM, NOT LOW IQ POLTARD.>this thread is about physical lengthsMETROLOGY IS NOT PHYSICS.>where is that "btfo" you are talking about?YOU LOST.>Legths have units in physics>>17047212>those are all “derived” WITHOUT physical measurementsWOMP WOMP.Blah blah blah >(((lol)))>"My emotions are proof of my superiority."KEEP THIS STEM, NOT LOW IQ POLTARD.>>17047212>dipshit; what I said isBack to you, LARPing on 4Chan...*ahem*...PHI IS MEASURED AS "SINGULAR PHI LENGTH" WITHOUT "1" DEFINED.YOU WILL NEVER BE A MATHEMATICIAN OR PHYSICIST.
>>17047230>"SINGULAR PHI LENGTH"Oh, and this would be completely arbitrary to all other Phi measuremnts at any differenct scale of reality, so...."Phi" wouldnt exist, it would be an infinite number of arbitrary lengths.STOP CHANGING SUBJECT-FIELDS TO CHEAT A WIN.Thats.....TALMUDIC behavior, thats why they say lying and stealing is acceptable..its...part of the (((programming))) youve consumed.
>>17045776To filter out smart students from dumb ones.
>>17047230>METROLOGY IS NOT PHYSICS.if you measure a physical distance it is bound by physical laws, Child of Pornography. If it isn't a physical distance but a mathematical one in an abstract space, that's a different matter. It's really amazing how stupid you are.
>>17047230>SINGULAR phi length [emphasis added]Love how you keep doubling down on your golden shower lol
>>17045771The only thing that doesn't end is the decimal representation of the length of the hypotenuse. The length of the hypotenuse is obviously finite. Don't get too hung up on the number we use to represent distance, numbers are just a tool in the world of geometry.Also I don't really see where these "gaps" you are talking about are coming from. I think you're making the mistaken assumption that measurements need to get rounded to the relative positions of atoms, but this isn't really the case. There are no gaps in the perfect idealized triangle/circle, and there are also no gaps in the physical objects they represent. There are different reasons why this is the case at the atomic scale. At the macro-scale, classical geometry is a good enough approximation of the physical world to be used as a tool, as evidenced by the many things we have built using geometric methods.>>17045776Science is the study of how to make the ideal converge on the material, so that we may accurately influence the material with the ideal. Physics is the study of how to make mathematics converge on reality. If you reject these subjects without replacing them with a more accurate convergence and influence system, then you are simply not free from the material world and subject to its barbarity.
>>17047235That isnt Physics and can easily be wholly detached from Physics all together, othewise Cartography is Physics?!>>17047236You have not made one correction or refute, youre just LARPing like your LORD. Youre just (((expressing your emotions)))>>17047147>Physics has error bars>If it isn't a physical distance but a mathematical oneNotice how you cant even tell the difference between Math, Physics, Metrology, or ANYTHING else?! Its all one big mess of "Phsssnuh uh, no me!"Lord of LARP.
>>17047255Physical measurements can’t have integer lengths. What is it about this simple truth that makes you continually pivot away to a (self-)critique of inadequacy?
>>17047255>That isnt Physics and can easily be wholly detached from Physics all together>Cartography is PhysicsYou are such a sad clown. Cartography relies on distances with a resolution that is perhaps to the tune of a meter, a fraction of a meter perhaps (that implies an error bar). It makes no claims about the exactness of these lengths beyond a reasonable threshold. No cartographer would be stupid enough to claim their collected data is in any way more exact than physics would allow. You made claims about the existence of absolute measurement. That means you assert you can measure a distance not up to +- a meter, a millimeter, an Angstrom. In fact for your retarded assertion to hold you would need to be able to measure a distance to sub-planck length accuracy. Do you have any idea how stupid that claim is?
>>17047173Accept the fact you are mentally ill and seek professional help.
>>17045771No
>>17045771Would you prefer to make an object and count the atoms along the imperfect edge? Would you prefer to measure the number of wavelengths of a known frequency, of which the result is likely neither a whole number nor a whole number with a clean fraction?Empiricism is very strong, do not discount it. Measure.
>>17045795>I think your thinking has yet to catch up with, let's be charitable, 200 years of physicsOP will never catch up because he is a retard.
>>17047173>Accuses other of being jews or Jew lovers, while screeching like a schizo jew.First time in a while I've laughed at post on /sci/
>>17045771>An opening in a shape no matter how small it is, is still an opening.But its opening so tiny that not even a quark can leak out. So for all intents and purposes it is shut.
>>17045771>nooo everything has to be a neat fraction of two base-10 numberswhy are rationalfags like this?>Are you also saying that the circumference of a circle is never truly ever closed because Pi is irrational?You are extremely confused and quite possibly retarded.
>>17048877>>17048838>>17048125>>17048121Look guys! Its the mentally ill fuckwit again!No thread is safe from the mentally ill fuckwit. He likes to shit everywhere.
>>17045771Buy an ad Norman.
>>17048889>look guys we're on reddit>t. mentally ill retard
shapes arent real OP. there is no such thing as a triangle, or a square, or a circle. we made them all up to help model the world. but some math people are so attached to their shapes and other math objects they believe they really do exist, in some platonic realm of math fairies and pixies or something.
>>17051953>I am too stupid to understand the questionway to miss the point dullard
