NASA IN SHAMBLES!!!!!!
nasa doesnt care, their funding wont be effected by the civilian market. However, SpaceX is definitely afraid, because they rely on the idea of future commercial travel to other planets, which means that they could lose funding if Germany does it better.
>>17047950if spacex goes bankrupt nasa does as well
>>17047952nasa wants spacex to go bankrupt
Germany is launching commercial rockets from the Hyperborea launch site, and you are blackpilling?
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Back to origin.
>>17047950>1 (one) small space launchNobody fucking cares about europoors. The ESA used to launch rockets but they don't even do that anymore. Spacex dominates the market in number of launches, tonnage per launch, and has the cheapest cost per ton to launch. They're the strongest in the space launch market. Boeing and ULA would be scared, except there's no reason to be scared of europoors.Even North Korea has launched more satellites into space than Germany.
>>17047994>nobody cares about Europe!!>*continues depending on Europeans to do work for them*lol>memeXYou must be a jawlet for elon's small cock to even reach into your throat, but damn, you're taking it like a champ! Proud tesla owner, too?
>>17048003You could make an argument on how this startup could at some point in the next several years or decades grow and be competitive in the space launch market. Instead you claim the market dominator is fearful. A market dominator that took market share from ULA and Boeing, expanded the satellite market by driving down costs, demonstrated first stage reuse as economical, lands rockets vertically on barges in the ocean to reduce refurbish costs, and owns the majority of sattelites in the largest constellation that provides the fastest global satellite data network.Meanwhile we have a startup launch their first rocket which is traditional and does nothing different or new compared to a rocket launched in the 1960s.
>>17048014Not the same guy claiming the fearful bit, but realistically, SpaceX has very different things to worry about than competition and anyone with an ounce of political understanding would know that, so that part is moot. I am just dunking on the part I picked out.
>>17048003i'm a european and this post is the most obvious charcoaled bait on the planet.
>>17048014>>17047994funny how Americans be like>EUROPOORS DON'T EVEN INNOVATE, WE SEND ROCKETS INTO SPACE AND THEY MAKE BOTTLE CAPSbut then when Europe sends a rocket into space they say>REEEEEEEE ACTUALLY THAT DOESN'T COUNT
>>17048050>Spectrum is a two-stage launch vehicle designed to carry both small- and medium-sized satellites.[1] It has a maximum payload capacity of 1,000 kg (2,200 lb) to low Earth orbit (LEO) or alternatively up to 700 kg (1,500 lb) to a Sun-synchronous orbit (SSO). Isar Aerospace has promoted the launcher as possessing considerable flexibility, better allowing it to fulfill the varying demands of its prospective customers.[1] According to the company, the vast majority of Spectrum's development and manufacturing is in-house, including that of its Aquila engines. It is a relatively compact rocket, in part facilitated by the high energy density of its propellant, which comprises a combination of liquid oxygen and propane.[1] It has been designed to achieve a price point of €10,000 ($11,700) per kg.[2]You're the retard confusing a small payload conventional rocket with inducing fear.>is it coolI guess, rockets are cool.>is more spacelift options and competition good for customersProbably>is spacex scaredWhy would they be? Is McDonald's scared when a new independent restaurant opens at a nearby strip mall? No, because McDonald's already has a huge market share and a loyal customer base of exhausted mothers of small children that autisticly refuse to eat any other food and the flavor-hating overweight adults who never developed a pallete and order their hamburgers plain.
>>17047966>>17047967nice
Europe has been doing commercial launches for a long time. The only thing significant about this launch is that they didn't bother hauling everything to French Guiana first. It's basically a question of it the extra boost from being near the equator can be offset by the lower cost of launching from Germany. For smaller payload and certain specialized orbits, Germany might be competitive but for the most part, French Guiana will continue to be Europe's primary route to space.
>>17048375>The only thing significant about this launch is that they didn't bother hauling everything to French Guiana first.I think the most significant part was that it's a launcher developed from the ground up by a startup, mostly through private funding. Indeed, Guiana is better in the majority of cases, and Isar also has a launch pad there.
>>17047947waste of moneynobody has ever even touched the dome
>>17048380Given the regulatory environment of Germany and the EU, that this startup was able to succeed is indeed a positive sign for Europe. So many potentially valuable businesses are smothered in the cradle due to regulatory issues or labor pool problems.
>>17047950There is so much to unpack from this post, from the tourist aspect of having no idea of the rockets capabilities to thinking SpaceX is funded by the government.
>>17048375>It's basically a question of it the extra boost from being near the equator can be offset by the lower cost of launching from Germany.There are two other huge difference between launching from French Guiana and Europe (in Norway not Germany).1) Launches from Europe are inclination limited due to their high latitude. For instance you wouldn't be able to launch something to the ISS from Andoya because it is too far north.(China cucked Russia out of sending Soyuz to their space station due to its inclination as well)2) Being further limited to polar/SSO orbits due to restrictions of flying eastward over land, this is not a physical limitation but if America isn't willing to do it then Europe absolutely will not.
Realistically there are only a few locations in Europe for launches:- from the sea, with a launcher on a platform or ship- from the north (Andøya, Esrange, Saxavord, etc.)- from some island, like the Azores, in the middle of nowhere. However, I think the big focus on launch locations is missing the mark. After developing a rocket and everything, putting it on a boat and shipping it to Guiana is no big deal. I could see it as a limitation only for really big rockets, but you can just buy a bigger ship or ship it in parts. Every major European launch startup, Isar included, has rights to one of the commercial launchpads in Guiana and will launch from there too.
>>17048534You could launch from eastern Spain over the Mediterranean but that would be a regulatory shitshow.
Since we are talking about European rockets, a friendly reminder that Arianespace deliberately cucked Maia into small lift performance in order to not threaten Ariane 6 or Vega.
>>17048537Yes, it would be an enormous pain in the ass. You could probably pay some African country and launch with a trajectory over the desert, but is that really less complicated than shipping everything to Guiana as Ariane and Avio did for the past 60 years?
>>17048539On the contrary, now that Ariane and Avio are not launching under the same group, Maia is competing directly against Vega C and E, depending on expendable/reusable configuration and the use of its kick stage:https://europeanspaceflight.com/maiaspace-plans-to-double-its-rockets-performance-with-one-extra-engine/
>>17048548>>17048539Adding Vega to the list, which was the baseline Vega before the more powerful C version. Maia is basically comparable to a Vega launcher in its reusable configuration, and to Vega C in its expendable one.
>>17048552>>17048548Maia has less than half the performance of Vega E, they aren't competing.
>>17048603Only without its kick stage, otherwise it's largely comparable.
>>17048606>thing that doesn't exist and would make Maia all the more expensive
>>17048612Neither Vega E nor Maia currently exist. We don't know the price of either. And a kick stage is not exactly rocket science: https://www.maia-space.com/news/full-speed-with-our-colibri-kick-stage/
>>17048615Vega is an operational rocket, the 4 engined Maia is a concept and the Colibri kick stage only exists as an engine being developed.
>>17048618>Vega is an operational rocketVega E isn't. >the 4 engined Maia is a concept You don't need the 4 engines to match it, just the 3 + the kick stage. >and the Colibri kick stage only exists as an engine being developedVega E's engine, the M10, is also currently just an engine being developed.
>>17047947>europe does thing america did 20 years ago
>>17048624>Vega E only exists as an engine being developed
>>17048522spacex is funded by the government though. musk's personal wealth only goes up during republican governments
>>17048632It's essentially a Vega C with a new engine for its upper stage.
>>17048638>spacex is funded by the government thoughanon I,,,
