It's math. I can understand when /ic/ had complete meltdown when AI start to spit out quality arts. But come on, did people here really think computers of all things wouldn't out do you at..math?
>>17051569like people was outdone in chess long ago and no one crying about it. Its the same here.
>>17051569Intellectuals deluded themselves into thinking automation would replace blue collar workers first, and are shocked that it's actually the white collars getting replacedYou'd have thought the intellectuals would have learned their lesson after the communist revolutions they started had them first against the walls
>>17051580Plenty of people were crying about it back then for chess. Including Kasparov
>>17051586I'm starting to understand why the intellectuals were the first against the wall desu
>>17051580people cried. back then intelligence was poorly understood. people unironically thought that high-thinking activity like chess can only be done by sentient beings. therefore they thought that the computers are smart already
>>17051586>>17051615That's nice and all, but has everyone forgotten the mass starvation that happened after the intellectuals were culled in China? Without someone telling stupid peons what to do, we end up in Idiocracy where idiots try to water plants with electrolytes. Furthermore, the concern with AI replacing intellectuals before the grunts is that AI is supposed to be advancing the robotics sector. Instead, it's being used to determine what is logical and illogical, moral and immoral, and determining the course for culture. All of these are bad things, and they are also things the plebs cannot comprehend. Being in favor of AI replacing intellectuals is the sign of being an idiot. Meanwhile, being in support of AI reducing the wage slave sectors is a sign of enlightened intelligence.It really is that simple.
>>17051635You are forgetting the fact the intellectuals are the ones making the AI.If the intellectuals aren't smart enough to use AI to solve wagies first then the clankers will replace the intellectuals and solve the wagie problem itself
>>17051620It's kind of hilarious how reading text or recognizing an animal is orders of magnitude more difficult than beating the world's greatest chess grandmaster
>>17051569>AI start to spit out quality artsI haven't seen any so far. Maths and programming are better use cases for AI. Human brains are slow and lazy at these kinds of computations, so le AI can fill in the gaps.
>>17051635>No i am better than a plumber because I SAY SOPathetic, you are a simpleton too retard. Anyone that took a basic Machine learning class in college new coding and math would fall way before robotics
>>17051664yes and solving Riemman's hypothesis for a computer is much easier than picking a glass of water. Most of your brain power is focused on mobility and dexterity
>>17051569Playing devil’s advocate computers haven’t figured out randomness; yet, but yeah computers are going to be better than humans at math>>17051682People really forget civilization and agriculture have only been around for 12,000 years. Before that our evolution was for hunting and gathering, not complex mathematics. It’s actually still pretty interesting we can still figure out so much science and mathematics considering how little our evolution relied on some things. Some isolated tribes even still don’t have numbers beyond 3 like the Piraha, but I guess that’s the adaptability of the human mind.
>>17051569>It's just Mat-ACKno it isn't your calculator math it's the MATH. The biggest surprise is it can do proofs informally. All proof that being generated once verified they know it's objective fact and you can't question against it unlike artist who do subjective mental gymnastic. It's real demonstration something close to what an agi is and everyone who realized this knows they are next.
>>17051569In theory at least, math shouldn't only be about computation and memorization and applying the same rules over and over. It should take imagination and a deep understanding of the object you're working with, and the surprising part is that AI seemingly gained these qualities through sheer size and accessing all the texts it could. That's what I am surprised about, the fact that this was achieved before automating other tasks, intellectual or otherwise, given the fact that usually math isn't seen as very interesting by people in this type of business or society at large.
>>17051687>>17051702>it isn't math it's MATH>math shouldn't only be about computation and memorization and applying the same rules over and over>it should take imagination and a deep understanding blah blah blahThe amount of copes. Whether it's 1+1 or these millennium problems math at the end of the day it's just applied logics, which some permutation of numbers is going to solve. Current AI via economic brute force via LLM hit that threshold.If people want to argue human exceptionalism at least go the /x/ routes. These semantic gymnastics are weak.
>>17051726I never even claimed otherwise. That's why I said "in theory". And it's deeply saddening that you see no problem in humans becoming obsolete. Whether or not it was simply an illusion that humans ever had anything that differentiates them is of course not relevant in the objective question of whether AI can do mathematics, and in that you are right. It is however relevant for humans themselves, and I assume you are a human, so I think you should care.
>>17051726Kys weeb subhuman>>17051730>and I assume you are a human, so I think you should care.He's a weeb and weebs by definition aren't human.
>>17051730>And it's deeply saddening that you see no problem in humans becoming obsoleteI see no problem because there is no problem. The "problem" only arises when people define themselves by what they do, as if losing that identity makes them less human.We are as of this hour on the cusp of the greatest transformation ever faced by our species. Post scarcity and possbilities undreamed of by our ancestors. Yet instead of celebration individuals bemoan the loss of their social station and hierarchical standing. Does AI doing math better than you make it so you are unable to do math? Do you truly enjoy math because of math? Or because of the prestige it brings of which now is taken by the machine?No, what is sad here isn't humans becoming obsolete. What is sad are individuals who desperately clung to their station and artificial identity. Apes displaying their base nature in all its animalistic glory.
>>17051726You are the one coping hard. You cant brute force through astronomical number of state requirment this shit is real. mathematics is the accelerant needed for cracking other domains and self improving the ai itself. we are now full on acceleration phase and next year you are going to cope why is it suddenly coming after me.
>>17051726I know you are also coping that this isn't agi but if you saw their other task performance it practically is one.
>>17051805>>17051811I'm not coping if it is/isn't AGI. If it is AGI, great. If it's not, we'll get there.You on the other hand seems to have a chip on your shoulder regarding "brute force". So what if it is brute force? It's the result that counts, and the result that defines "intelligence". The process, the "how", is ultimately meaningless (and an unknowable black box in the case of AI), and have always been meaningless, whether here with AI or elsewhere with anything science.Reproducible result is the be all end all holy grail. Everything else is trivial.
>>17051826it matters because interpretability itself is a question. Don't care who solves the blackbox function be it some other ai or something else. just because the universe is made of gazillions of atoms doesn't mean you have to observe every single of them to understand how it works.
>>17051569real mathematicians aren't crying over it thoughthe people crying over it>anti-AI shills funded by china/russia/india trying to slow down the US's substantial lead>the usual anti-AI agitators whose last math class was statistics in highschool>small number of fake mathematicians, basically using this as an opportunity to explain-away why they are failures (and maybe beg for donations or sympathy) it's an easy out for them
>>17051830>it matters because interpretability itself is a questionIt's a question for the curious but it don't matter. Not knowning a chef's secret recipe does not magically take away from the meal. When people are getting exactly what they want nobody is going to care if you can't tell them the how.The only ones who keep going after the process are the sour grapes who got beaten by the result. Only thing that needs to be said to this crowd is this "Not Truly Intelligent" machine is orders of magnitude smarter than you, apparently.
>>17051848>It's a question for the curiousYes that's the difference between you and us. You can live your life in eternal digital labyrinth of abundant primitive desires. That's fine but that doesn't mean we will stop questioning. others won't stop even if it means to transcend ourselves.
>>17051861>if it means to transcend ourselvesCareful now, it is indeed one thing to enjoy abundant primitive desires, and quite another to tamper with consciousness, of which is another blackbox. Transhumanism is a blackbox on blackbox endeavor, an almost surefire path to disaster. And if /x/ is to be believed, the pitiful state of picrel is the end of that road.
>>17051580Not at all.
>>17051687>>17051702>This isn't just 1+1 math, this is le magic math because.... BECAUSE IT JUST IS, OKAY??!!?!All math is logic and calculation. There is no higher order of mental magic monk math.AI isn't any smarter than before for using 3 septillion transistors to calculate, instead of 3 trillions that they used yesterday. Higher computational power simply allows it to brute force calculations and logic operations. The results are impressive, I'm just saying it's not magic. And we are not 1 step closer to AGI. AI is a glorified processor.P.S. Indians, blacks and muslims will destroy the planet before AI/jews get a chance to. I know jews would give everything to cause armageddon via AI and exterminate the Aryans. That's why they are rushing, pumping trillions into AI. But it's just not happening.P.P.S. Weebs aren't human, I agree on that.
