Literally religious bullshit(made up by a catholic!) >Um actually time did begin at the big bang so asking what was before is invalidLike imagine actually believing this shit!
>>17055414>time did begin at the big bang so asking what was before is invalidThat's Hartle-Hawking state which is a different topic entirely from whether or not the Big Bang occured at all.
>>17055414okay, what's your alternative explanation that fits the available data better?
>>17055419>That'sI did see this mentioned alot.>Ha explain where did god come from what was before!>Umm the big bang is the origin of time so talking about what was before is literally meaningless.YIKES!
>>17055421>what's your alternative explanationMental illness detected! You are mentally ill and belong in a psychic ward!>what's your alternative explanationtrasnaltion>Quick I need you to tell me lies or I will go insane! I must have explanations even if they are made up lies!This is mental illness.You where born defective and are wrong in the head.>that fits the available data better?And what is this data?Made up shit by some guy? On a computer that you can not run or see or interact with.>Oh yea I totally did see god in the cave>No you can not look there>the available data better?And what is this data? Even admitting the unverified made up nonsense what is this data? The supposed background radiation who literally is impossible and makes physics self contradictory. Look you either will admit that atoms can travel faster then light or admit that there is no cosmic background radiation none of your shit is even simulationally valid or can be simulated.
>>17055426It is a potential explanation so those people aren't wrong. You are the one who is wrong for explicitly conflating the two.
>>17055432>It is a potential explanationIt is literally fucken impossible that what it is. There can be no time when there was no time or created time.
>>17055426Scientists don't claim that nothing existed prior to the big bang. They say that we have no means by which to collect data from prior to the big bang. Talking about what happened prior to the big bang is only meaningless because due to the lack of information any discussion would consist exclusively or making up random shit arbitrarily
>>17055434>Scientists don't claim that nothing existed prior to the big bang.>Le nothingwe are talking about time. Did time exist before the big bang? >They say that we have no means More retarded bullshit.>by which to collect data from prior to the big bang.The same way we have no way to collect any data 400 years into the past from now.>Talking about what happened prior to the big bang is only meaningless because due to the lack of informationCool cope and damage control. Tell that to all these professors who say the created time bullshit.
>>17055436>The same way we have no way to collect any data 400 years into the past from now. Negative IQ alert
>>17055414i know i'm a dumb idiot who has no idea about quantum stuff, buti never get why retards argue endlessly about this.all evidence points to the fact that matter/energy cannot be created, only converted from one to the other>noo, but what about before it was created?? how was it created?isn't it more logical to assume that there has always been matter/energy?
How did time begin if there was no time to allow the change from non-time into time to occur ???
>>17055490That makes zero sense.
>>17055433>There can be no time when there was no timeThis does not result in the contradiction you think it does.
>>17055439>Negative IQ alertYes for you.
>>17055490>all evidence points to the fact that matter/energy cannot be createdWrong! >isn't it more logical to assume that there has always been ...energy?Energy is a absurd THEOLOGICAL concept that makes less sense then phlogiston.> only converted from one to the otherTranslation>Mater can be converted into phlogistonLOL! Thous who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Educate yourself on the history of science and what a failure it is.>Energy can not be destroyedLiterally wrong and conflicts with all of reality. So to save your THEOLOGICAL dogma of the immortality of energy you need to invent the THEOLOGICAL realm of entropy to even deal with reality. Classic theology/religion. Science is philosophy for retards.>Energy can not be createdDid you just prove a negative? It is cool if you want to state this however remember that this decision prevents you from ever criticizing others from proving negatives.
>>17055490> all evidence points to the fact that matter/energy cannot be created, only converted from one to the otherThis is actually not true. Energy can be destroyed via redshift, and created via vacuum expansion
>>17055430>My grandfather fucked my ass so hard it pushed my brains out through my eye sockets. Now I have none.THE POST.
>>17055421He has none.There is a particular subset of subhumans who like to think they can debunk everything but who can not offer any reasonable alternative or offer rational discussion. When asked for an alternative they become defensive and resort to insults and incoherent babbling, as you have seen. OP is one such example.In this respect they are greatly inferior to flat earthers who despite being ignorant at least have an alternative explanation, no matter how demonstratively incorrect.
>>17055765>There is a particular subset of subhumans who like to think they can debunk everything but who can not offer any reasonable alternative That would be you, though. Your cult is, in fact, so bad at providing an alternative explanation to religious myths that you had to adopt explanations from the people you're trying to deboonk. Top kek.
>>17055496>How did time begin if there was no time to allow the change from non-time into time to occur ???Exactly time must exist always.>>17055516>This does not result in the contradiction you think it does.See above retardo. Also what is your proof? Some retard professor rambling his schizo shit to you? These retards scamming the government out of money to buy expensive equipment that they do not understand how to use and asserting that this proves their schizophrenia? >How did time begin if there was no time to allow the change from non-time into time to occur ???Fun fact this is catholick dogma about god(also other christians)What was before god created the universe>Umm god is le outside of time No you idiot he can not be outside of time he can be without time and therefore unable to even do anything since he will be more like a frozen frame in a movie or more correctly like a frozen RAM output of a computer unable to continue to the next CPU cycle.
>>17055759Behold SCIENCE!Remember how to do science kids>Ridicule your opponents>Ignore their points>Silence them>build consensus (rat king)! This is the way to discover truth!
>>17055765Reasonable alternative? You have no argument for your version, so you are special pleading. Also, you are just shifting the burden. Your argument does not become true just because someone else doesn't make an argument. Also, cosmology is as much a science as astrology and psychology are. There 8s no experimental evidence supporting any causal claim in relation to gravity, dark cope, etc.
>>17055496>How did time begin if there was no time to allow the change from non-time into time to occur ???It's another episode of brainlets thinking logical sequence requires time. What's the point of pop sci teaching people with zero abstract thought scientific concepts?
>>17055772>No you idiot he can not be outside of time he can be without time and therefore unable to even do anything since he will be more like a frozen frame in a movie or more correctly like a frozen RAM output of a computer unable to continue to the next CPU cycle.Why do computer analogies appeal so much to the bottom caste of breakfast eaters?
>>17055765>OP is one such example.Is this projection?> can not offer any reasonable alternativeThere is a old saying "the most honest answer is I do not know" however you are clearly defective and need to learn any made up story and lie to keep your mental illness in check. This is why you gravitate to religion with its made up lies and to science with its other made up lies. Instead of accepting the truth you need to have some religious story to make your defective brain feel good. You are the same type of retard who will applaud some schizo prophet declaring that before before time there was some god who put a stick up his ass and this created before time and then another god put a dick in his mouth and this created regular time. Only your religion is science so you applaud the scientist schizo who declares exactly like catholic doctrine that god/big bang created time and asking what was before is not valid.You somehow fail to understand that it is literally the same copy pasted shit as theology. Because literally it is.You need your made up lies; or your defective brain will get meltdowns. You where born wrong nothing more. >>17055770>bad at providing an alternative explanation to religious myths that you had to adopt explanations from the people you're trying to deboonk. Top kek.Or science is literally a religion and as retarded as any religion. Since word for word character after character it is proven that the big bang explanation for time is literally copy pasted catholic dogma about god and time. This can be literally proven by a computer doing a MD5 checksum or a character by character evaluation of the 2 statements>god created time>the big bang created time>we can not ask what was before god created time>we can not ask what was before the big bang created time1/2
>>17055793>>17055765>>17055770However you are a scientist so you have no fucken idea what a MD5 or a character by character analysis is.You literally applaud retards who draw childish formulas like every formula in science. And if you look at that shit with a mind of a 18 year old you realize these are childish and ridiculous formulas who can only impress children and retards.>While yes it is F = m * a >No fractions other then 1/2 or 1/3 or complicated numbers. Nothing that is beyond mathematics to express like an algorithm>only simplistic y = A * B shit!>Only sometimes it is E = A * B * BDo you know what formula is used to calculate the phase transition of water? You clown?These things can not be expressed in mathematics or formulas! You use a chart or algorithm for that!However sure the le deep notions of the universe arranged themselves exactly to be toddler formulas like Y = A * B. Science should be banned from being shown to anyone under 18. Lets see if anyone will believe this crap then?!PS: Fun fact for 90s kids only the big bang and time being created where made up in the 90s and did not exist before.
>>17055778>Why do computer analogiesBecause the movie frame analogy is incorect?>Why do computer analogiesit is a full demonstration of the problem using a simulation.
>>17055796>Because the movie frame analogy is incorect?You're such a fucking retard you can't even spell "incorrect" correctly. Of course your mongoloid analogy is incorrect. It's pure slop.
>>17055777>It's another episode of brainlets thinking logical sequence requires time.This. 80 IQs try to apply physical concepts and intuition to metaphysics, fail (necessarily) and then try to spin their category error into some kind of argument. I don't even see what trips them up so much. If I state "2 = S(1)" do they have to put 1 before 2 on some timeline? Maybe they do because they still count on their fingers. Logical precedence is inherently timeless. Thinkers used to regard the laws of logic as metaphysical for a reason.
>>17055808Math is fake and fictional.Every action is imperative.>do they have to put 1 before 2 on some timeline? Ask how a computer executes these instructions, then learn in silence.
>>17055810>retarded, shit-brown jeet is mumbling about computers again
>>17055794> These things can not be expressed in mathematics or formulas! Not true. We have those formulae already. We can know and calculate the interactions of every single particle. However those calculations would take so long we'd have to wait billions of years for the results.
>>17055811The levels of meltdowns you are on now are unreal.>ME science man>Computer to complicated>Save me theology!
>>17055813>retarded, shit-brown jeet thinks it knows more than me about how computers workTop kek.
Yay! I found the schizo thread at last.
>>17055812>Not true. We have those formulae alreadyShow them!You see the picture? You see how these curves look like? You want to write the function who will draw these curves? See how complicated it gets fast?And you think retard shit like y = A * B or x = A * B * B is some grand understanding of the universe?You got fooled by retards.You teach children real things like these graphs and see how they react to retarded scientists scamming them>Awchually I figured out the universe the formula is x =B *B * A!>Here watch this CGI cartoon of talking science man to get convinced!
>>17055816[eqn]i\hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial t} \Psi(\mathbf{r}, t) = \hat{H} \Psi(\mathbf{r}, t)[/eqn]
Another trait of the mentally disturbed poster is their habit of posting multiple replies to any post that draws attention to their illness.As we can see here>>17055770>>17055774>>17055793and here>>17055794You will note their inability to engage in rational discussion and the anger in their posts at being called out. This remains true whatever topic is being discussed. The mentally ill do not like their delusions to be questioned. They do not like their irrationality to be exposed.There is no point in attempting to reason with such people, once they go off their medications they lose their grasp on reality. Like the flat earthers they are more deserving of pity than scorn. For us normal folk the world makes sense. For them the world is scary place inhabited by demons they have created within their own minds. It must be a terrible state to exist within. The only thing we can do implore them to take their medications and seek professional help.
>>17055818You're a legit psychotic patient.
>>17055817Ah I see schrodinger made up shit.>It is real because clergy says it is real!
>>17055811i think the brownoid thinks the computer has to count up to whatever number one by one lol
>>17055414The big bang is just part of multiple theories (like the big bounce, which says the universe dies and is reborn), it's not a thing by itself
>>17055818>You will note their inability to engage in rational discussion and the anger in their posts at being called out. This remains true whatever topic is being discussed. The mentally ill do not like their delusions to be questioned. They do not like their irrationality to be exposed.>There is no point in attempting to reason with such people, once they go off their medications they lose their grasp on reality. Like the flat earthers they are more deserving of pity than scorn. For us normal folk the world makes sense. For them the world is scary place inhabited by demons they have created within their own minds. It must be a terrible state to exist within. The only thing we can do implore them to take their medications and seek professional help.Is this projection?
>>17055822>the computer has to count up to whatever number one by one lolYou failed how computers work.>b-b-b my wolfram toy appDo that in assembler child.
>>17055832holy mother of all broken bots. this thing just doesn't grasp what it's reading
>>17055834I did try to explain this to you however you are less then a shit throwing ape.FACT 1 You have no idea how a computer uses numbers.FACT 2 you are to retarded to try to implement your math bullshit in assembler/machine language.You simply think math is magic and the hallucinatory bullshits mathematicians made up are valid and real.
>>17055820> experimentally proven equation> responds with schizo driveltake your meds
>>17055839on the off chance you're human, take your meds. you're literally incoherent
>>17055841>you're literally incoherentLearn to program!
>>17055840>experimentally>PS: Experiment translates to some guy thinking only in his head, aka thought experiment aka retardation.
>Learn to program!You just know this brown animal asks free-tier ChatGPT for help with fizzbuzz.
>>17055851Behold the science/math man!You belong in a zoo!
>the brown animal knows there's no use even trying to deny itYou got found out.
>>17055855I am not brown.Is your racism peer reviewed professor science?We are not even on the same level!
A mindless, brown animal (I won't name any names, it knows what it is) will respond to this post.
>>17055857I'm not brown and you still don't understand how to program 1+1 in the assembler language.Does your university even offer CS engineering degrees?
>>17055862Same fafging yourself will not help fagio.
>>17055862>it unironically repliedHoly kek. Is it a bot?
>>17055867LOL NO! I did not someone else did.
A mindless, brown animal (I won't name any names, it knows what it is) will respond to this post as well. Then it will try to deny it.
>>17055870No, I wont. Someone else will. Like the troll who doesn't understand the assembler program.
>>17055414When the spinning ball-Earth is finally exposed worldwide for the 400+ year deception it was, Earth's entire population will suddenly be faced with the reality that every government, every space agency, university, secret society, religious organization, mainstream and alternative media outlet have ALL been duplicitous in propping up a monstrous manipulation to fleece and control the masses. The resulting mass mental exodus away from the control system is exactly what humanity needs. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these lying politicians, spokesmen, reporters and teachers suddenly change from being heralded voices of authority to being ridiculed, shunned and denounced as they deserve. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these governments, universities, media outlets and other entangled organizations which have long been hard at work weaving this multi-generational ball-Earth myth, suddenly and completely lose all credibility. Once the truth of our flat Earth gets out, so does the truth of these few elite families/societies who have kept this most important and fundamental reality from us for these hundreds of years! Essentially, once the flat Earth truth gets out, so does every other important truth by proxy, because this "mother-of-all-conspiracies" holds under its umbrella literally ALL of the other conspiracies, and exposes them.
>>17055757>Energy can be destroyed via redshiftThat's a reduction of the energy transfer rate
>>17055892Not him however debating the absurd idea of energy is like debating the trinity.Here is how reality works.You have a non rechargeable battery and the more you use it the faster it will run out.You have a tank of gasoline the more you use it the faster it will run out.This is described as AF (Abstract Fuel). Unlike the magical idea of Energy AF is true.You can not turn something into AF because this is pure nonsense. AF describes shapes of matter and their structure that if put into reaction USE UP (this destroys the AF) the AF and change the material arrangement of the substance. Energy is some pseudo theological idea since I did see old retards go>Life after death?>Energy can not be destroyed after all!So it is some mystical bullshit to start with.Energy is bullshit and desperately tries to describe how the world works and needs more and more theological bullshit like entropy while AF solves all problems.Here is the thing AF can be destroyed and is created. However this dose not allow for over unity. Any questions?
>>17055895Okay, just replace energy with an excitation of the electric field then, if you don't like the word.
