Survey results editionPrevious Thread: >>17041870This thread exists to ask questions regarding careers associated to STEM.>Discussion on academia-based career progression>Discussion on penetrating industry from academia>Or anything in relation to STEM employment or development within STEM academia!>If you have a question, before posting, read some of the older posts and ,if you can, try to answer their questions on your post. That way the thread isn't an endless log of unanswered questions.Resources for protecting yourself from academic marxists:>https://www.thefire.org/ (US)>https://www.jccf.ca/ (Canada)Information resource:>https://sciencecareergeneral.neocities.org/>*The Chad author is seeking additional input to diversify the content into containing all STEM fields. Said author regularly views these /scg/ threads.No anons have answered your question? Perhaps try posting it here:>https://academia.stackexchange.com/An archive of some of the previous editions of /scg/:http://warosu.org/sci/thread/15740454
>20-25 35%either those are lurkers or people keep talking shit in this general about things they have no idea about. I would expect most of us to be 30-35
>>17057101>Survey results editionMight as well continue the strawpoll, I missed it the first time round.https://strawpoll.com/mpnb1wzXvy5
>>17057127You expect people to tell the truth on 4chan?
Welcome to market, human resources.
>>17057101So I only have something in common with 20% of this gThread. I'm old.
Be honest, how bad is it?
>>17057583I can't imagine doing an MSc after a PhD
>>17057583pretty good Scandi names are funny
I cannot believe how shit my life has been and continues to be. What the fuck did I do to deserve this.
>>17057583So, why are you leaving current position
>>17057583WHY ARE YOU STUDYING PHYSICS AFTER YOUR PHD
>>17057583Hello, maths-kun, my old friendI've come to post with you againBecause a CV softly creepingLeft its hopes while I was sleepingAnd the terror that was planted in my brainStill remainsWithin the LinkedIn of silenceIn restless posts, I applied aloneNarrow HRs of cobblestone'Neath the halo of an anon campI turned my keyboard to the cold and dampWhen my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a LED lightThat split the nightAnd touched the LinkedIn of silenceAnd in the naked postt, I sawTen thousand anons, maybe morePeople applying without speakingPeople ghosting without listeningPeople writing resumes that HR never sharedAnd no one daredDisturb the LinkedIn of silence
>>17057583I hope, from reading your CV, that you are employed while studying.Also, Physics is more employable than maths, but your selected courses are heavy on maths. It makes sense to leverage you existing maths skills but you could improve your odds by going deeper into electromagnetism. Add later a touch of DSP and you shoud be eminently employable in the field of RF tech.
>>17057583To be honest there’s nothing wrong with it that I can think of, but I had a similar cv around 2023 although in Australia and I never found skilled work againIt may be different in Europe but my experience was some people are salivating over the idea of layoffs for most of these skills and frankly physics is about as much of a negative for employability as maths
am I really competing with 172 people for a entry level role?
>>17057673Genuinely getting interested in it.
>>17057922You are an idiot
>>17057922Then do it as a hobby chum. Physics is next on the AI chopping block (if not there already).
>>17057973>>17057988If anon is studying physics while working full time, the physics degree pretty much is a hobby. Just a hobby with a piece of paper stating you reached a certain standard at the end. Which seems sensible enough to me. Probably not the most useful thing, but if you're doing it as a hobby alongside work it doesn't have to be. And getting the degree rather than pure self/stufy gives an output that at least in theory can be used to state you have that proficiency, whatever the usefulness may be. It's not like education in Scandistan costs anything.
>>17058000It does cost something when it's your second degree in many cases, usually only the first one is free.An MBA would add more than this.From a career perspective this is dumb.Mathematics and physics are the same thing from a career perspective.
>>17058036>It does cost something when it's your second degree in many casesCan you link me to something stating that a swedish person doing a second degree needs to pay money to do so>An MBA would add more than this>Mathematics and physics are the same thing from a career perspectiveSure whatever but physics is based and MBAs are for people who jerk off on LinkedIn
>>17058044You can't really add that much to your profile when you already have a PhD in logic science unless you're trying to go into physics work.
Yeah I'm not paying any money for studying physics. I do part time studies alongside my full time job. I would never get a MBA. Jesus Christ, come on.
Finishing up my associates degree in engineering this december, amazon paid for it all. Hopefully I get a nice rme technician job pretty soon after. I only make $25.50 an hour rn so a starting pay of $35 would be nice. Im too retarded and poor to continue studying at a 4yr university.
>>17058303Iiiiinteresting and here I am having had my life UTTERLY RUINED AND DESTROYED by those cruel bastards at Amazon.
>>17057973Guilty as charged. Did you not notice the PhD in Mathematics?
>looking for a better job for like 8 months now>jack shit >suddenly get flooded with emails about job interviews >all at the same pharma company>literally every single email for the 5 positions is sent by a jeet managerHoly fucking grim even the pharma companies are jeeted?
>>17057101Do I actually need to do Raspberry Pi and Arduino gimmick projects to pad out my resume so that HR won't use my CV as a coaster for a Frappuccino?EE btw
Forget an iced coffee, bring a handgun to the interview
is it a mistake not to talk about salary in the first interview? They didn't even give me a range.Also> what do you expect form the corpmoney ? What else is there
>>17059051You should ask about mentoring and learning opportunities.
You should point a gun at your own head and threaten to pull the trigger unless they hire you on the spot
My opinion is unique and valuable and you can't do anything about it. I know it's painful. It's supposed to be.
>>17057642We inherited a debt from the first cell that divided itself from the outside world and began to multiply. The interest on this debt is paid through suffering, and the principal is settled in death.By continuing to exist in spite of this we bring more suffering upon ourselves, and the harder we strive for happiness the deeper is our pain.
>>17057101Programmwrs are sorry pos. If we were to parallel the shit they have done compared to even a scientific approach, the closest thing we have is when they set off a nuke so big they thought it might ignite the entire atmosphere. This is actually the level programmers are at, and not just them, but their math guys fell prey to the faggotry too. A lot of people are going to recognize this. It is a circle jerk of retards that 1. Happen to be lucky enough to carve out a hyper specific niche. 2. Hide every little detail about it and spread endless bullshit to keep others from figuring it out.Consequently, i now understand why glowies were able to push so much shit for so long. They just paid off the slack ass gate keeper.
FML Biology is tougher than I remember. Learning about the fifteen million aspects of the cell in college with their excessively long names is borderline impossible.Does this shit get easier when you get into your specialty of choice or is this the level of difficulty I can expect going forward?
Do other countries have the same part-time working student (Werkstudent tradition like Germany? Basically if you work under 20 hours a week as a working student part-time you don't have to pay any income tax. It can be whatever job but most students prefer actual industry jobs in their field. Employers love it because you employ advanced students tax and social contributions free while the students gains relevant experience and doesn't have to pay taxes on their wage. I feel like in other countries one-time, full-time internships seem to be way more popular. I know that in France they have something similar called alternance but there you are tied to a single employer for the duration of your studies.
>>17059615In Sweden you are not allowed to work while getting student support money. This often cause problems for students working during the summer break. Working 20h during the terms is very uncommon.
>>17057101Guys what’s a good cv for a PhD student? Would I be competitive for a good post doc or a good position in industry?Thus far you can summarize with> country: France, 3 year PhD program > topic: inverse problems > 2 international signal processing conf papers 1 national conf paper, signal processing conf papers are theoretical, national conf one is very applied > 2 theoretical journal papers, first ieee tsp 2nd Siam optimization and control > 1 patent About 9 months to go for my PhD, planning to dish out an icml submission or similar, working on a good topic. Might also have an additional ml conf submission, so all in all, best case I finish with an additional 2 big ML conf papers
>>17059706Ohh forgot to add a third paper, an applied journal paper, patent is based on the work I did for it, so to re-summarize:> country: France, 3 year PhD program> topic: inverse problems> 2 international signal processing conf papers 1 national conf paper, signal processing conf papers are theoretical, national conf one is very applied> 2 theoretical journal papers, first ieee tsp 2nd Siam optimization and control> One applied journal paper, new method for hard as shit nasty industrial problem> 1 patent, based on the above paper
Quit fucking bragging man
>only 2 journal publications Big yikes.
>>170597303, not two, read my addendum here>>17059707Is that really low? Damn
>>17059706>>17059707Academia at your stage values publications, industry does not really give a rats ass in general. Your framing for your CV is entirely academic and probably you would be reasonably competitive for postdocs within your research area. Industry is more about "have you done the thing we want you to do and used the tools we want you to use for two years" on the technical side and general grifting on the management side.
>>17059804>Your framing for your CV is entirely academic and probably you would be reasonably competitive for postdocs within your research area.Makes sense, being in academia means you get sucked in into the mindset. Industry wise I’d have to say I have a patent since I work with an industrial partner and I developed some methods with them, so my industrial work cred isn’t null
>>17059813>Industry wise I’d have to say I have a patent since I work with an industrial partner and I developed some methods with them, so my industrial work cred isn’t nullYes, a patent helps stand out a bit and working with an industrial partner is at least something you can point out. I'm simply saying that, for what parts of your experience you have chosen to share here, most are going to be glossed over by industry recruiters. If there is any brain work at all required to infer or read between the lines for what kind of work you might be able to do or tools you might be able to use, the ATS clanker, barely sentient HR organism or overworked manager will not see it.Having a PhD or research outputs in a field does not automatically make you particularly appealing for industry positions even within that field. There are industry-wide tools and methods where experience (academic or otherwise) is very helpful, and if your research is directly relevant to what the company is performing R&D projects on, that of course will help. But the skillsets and outputs desired can be quite different. Your suitability for industrial positions in your field may be great for all I know. What I want you to understand is that, from what you have thrown at me, I could not know, and who cares what I think but for someone looking to hire you in industry you will need to speak in a different language.
>>17059908On a similar vein, if you want to go into industry postdoc is generally a waste of life. Because postdoc is about grinding academic CV checklist items, and industry CV checklist items are different. It's not an unrecoverable mistake, just that it does not offer very good return in most cases.
>>17059908>but for someone looking to hire you in industry you will need to speak in a different languageI understand that, what would you suggest then, if I am to pursue landing a role in industry after the PhD? Writing my competencies directly in terms of skills?>>17059912There exist mixed industry/academia post docs where you work in R&D in some company in collab with some research lab. Tons of cnrs/inria positions are like this. I don’t know if these are super attractive tho. Maybe simply going fully to industry leads to better pay
Stop talking to this guy this isn't what I want these threads to be like
>>17060146>Writing my competencies directly in terms of skills?Yes also make up some experiences if you need to in order to get the point across.Also it's not all doom and gloom despite what people here want you to believe. I work in a company that highly values PhDs because, if nothing else, we also sell devices to Universities so the networking connections come in handy. Just recently a PhD guy is a very solid starting salary. I know that is an exception and not the rule but just wanted to show that doing a PhD doesn't destroy your industry chances.
what am I fuckin invisible to you, am i just a big fucking joke to this whole thread
>>17060185Did somebody say something? I think I heard a voice. Probably just the wind.
Any condensed matter physicsist in the chat? Is this a good degree?
MGTOWS? Stand back and stand by.
>>17060314If you can get into practical materials like:–Semiconductors–Highpower magnets–Superconductors–Any hands on material enineeringAnd if You can get through secuclearance into defense industry, go on.If you wanna research 1 dimensoinal pseudo-Bobrowskite in f7 space group in U(¾), then DONT.
How is it legal for life to treat me this way
>>17060765>secuclearancebe ready to remember if you ever talked with anyone even mildly related to an iranian person ever since your birth
Accepted the job at the T3 semiconductor company. Unfortunately it's 95% project management and with virtually no technical or scientific element.At least it's a job in industry right? Right? The janitors at NASA also got the rocket to the moon after all, right?
>>17060946People denigrate bureaucracy these days but it's cool to be part of a big machine made of people
>>17060946>Unfortunately it's 95% project management and with virtually no technical or scientific elementisn't this a good thing for the future?
>bioinformatics postdoc who writes and runs pipelines to analyze rnaseq and orthologs on non model organisms and occasionally does an experiment with animalsIt’s totally over for me, right? There’s nothing I do that AI can’t do better
>>17060314>Any condensed matter physicsist in the chat?Sure>Is this a good degree?Yes. Especially doing experimental solid state Physics.>>17060765>–SemiconductorsYes. It might not be exciting but it is safe>–Highpower magnetsProbably limited but still good for work.>–SuperconductorsInteresting field but not as safe, especially high Tc superconductivity. Had LK-99 been a true room temperature superconductor, it would have blown th elid clean off the field.>–Any hands on material enineeringThe competition is strong in this field.>And if You can get through secuclearance into defense industry, go on.Probably true, also intelligence agencies across NATO are recruiting as if there were no tomorrow.>If you wanna research 1 dimensoinal pseudo-Bobrowskite in f7 space group in U(¾), then DONT.Also true, including all theoretical Physics.
>>17061023If you can find a relevance to fishfarming in a broad context (as in also fish feed, parasites, veterinary medicine...) you should have a good chance of work.
>>17061023>Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earthbless!
Totally freaking out about AI. Wanted to get into theory but not anymore. What's the solution? Getting as much (wet) lab experience as possible.
>>17061055I’m gonna farm my fish all over your baby buttcheeks! Rub it in, like a good servant…
>>17057101I lied on this survey
>moved from a postdoc in USA to postdoc in Canada>pays less>cost of living higher>higher income tax>food more expensive >renting a place even ~30min out of downtown is taking up >50% of my shitty salary>have to pay 150CAD/month to the fucking commie union (can't opt out)>at least research is goodDon't do it usabros - it's not worth it
>>17060314Cond-mat bozo here. In short, experimental research is good if you choose the right projects but there are a lot of traps. Don't do theory, it is a joke.The big money for both salaries and research funding is in quantum. You will get absorbed by the computing hype or you will not get funded.Though that isn't a bad thing, it's just the current trend, much like how everything was topological 10 years ago.The difficulty in condensed matter is that to break out into industry you have to choose a relevant PhD or master topic or make sure to get practical transferable skills while doing that. For example, anyone trained in molecular-beam epitaxy will always be in high demand but you will be stuck doing that for life and if a better competing technology comes around you will be fucked if you don't learn it and switch.In pretty much all condmat work you need to understand device fab and clean room processes but do not become a cleanroom monkey. Yes there are plenty of jobs in and outside of research and yes there is high demand but for every one of you there are 300 indians with more experience who will do the work for free.
>>17060314To comment on this:>>17060765>semiconductorsBoring but reliable, often industry-funded and mostly employable. Anything 3-5 or laser is usually good.>highpower magnetsIf you want to join a fusion startup sure.>superconductorsThere is interesting but niche physics there but superconductivity is a joke field. I have watched people present the exact same research with the exact same analysis year after year for 15 years now but this time it's different. This new compound has 0.0001% more oxygen in it. Not to mention that the crystals they study are irreproducible, no two behave the same and all samples are made by two dudes in the states or japan who shit out crystals and send them around the world for study. Cuprates are the biggest sinners of the perovskites but all of them have problems. UTe2 is somewhat better. but is irrelevant because it isn't a magic room temp solution. The field has no predictive capability, they are waiting for someone to magic out of their arse a room temp room pressure superconductor. Most researchers were ready to rope when the LK99 debacle happened even though they should have been capable of reading that initial paper release and seeing from the figures that it was not a superconductor. Or at least it lacked enough proof. As a general rule, do not study superconductivity and if you must, DO NOT GO INTO HIGH TEMPERATURE SUPERCONDUCTIVITY AND ESPECIALLY NOT HIGH PRESSURE. Yes I will make my computer out of a fragile crystal which degrades in air and requires 30 GPa to go superconducting.>material engineeringGood if you can get into it. Competitive and sometimes difficult to get funding unless I lie and claim my work will improve qubits or that I can patent it and spin it off into a startup.
>how do I get into $HI_TECH_FIELDDon't. You'll waste years and be replaced by AI. Go to a local construction site and ask if they hire twinks that you are.
>>17061403Do it again:>https://strawpoll.com/mpnb1wzXvy5>>17061262>Totally freaking out about AI. Wanted to get into theory but not anymore.That is a good thing. Theory is advanced unemployability. >What's the solution?Take the experimental route.>Getting as much (wet) lab experience as possible.Yes.
What is some lab instrument skills that pay somewhat pay well? SEM?
>>17062172Define "well". Also tell us where you are. As >>17061762 stated, MBE and fab experience is something that will get you employed.Quantum is about the only lab role that can get you into six figures outside the US. The exact methodologies vary, but generally cryogenic and magnetic measurements are where it's at.
>>17061023I don't see any panic in the field, did you believe shitposters?
>>17061023>writes and runs pipelineshalf that is ctrl + enter don't church it upregards,other unemployed bioinformatician
>>17060314You don't go to uni for condensed matter physics you do physics and then specialize. Its a interesting field lots of neat shit you can do on the experimental side. Also the higher you go the less barriers to theory there are I would not recommend studying theory first but I have seen plenty of theoretical physicists switch over. What sucks is the down time between things you do. You wait 15m to clean a sample. You wait 15m to start the vacuum. You wait 1h-a day for the oven to melt. Stuff like that is depressing if you have limited time. Job wise its kinda a hard sell because most employers don't understand what you did. If you tell them yes I made this and that material and measured it that way they scratch their heads even if they are from the field. Also kinda hard to pivot after you build up specialized knowledge no one cares you can repair a SEM or know how to craft AFM tips if you are applying for a DSP role for example. If you can combine it with optics/signal processing you will find it much easier to get employed.
i just graduated from uni and i've been applying to a bunch of research positions, but it's been a month and like only one person has responded back to reject me. do i just take it the other places have rejected me at this point? or does it really just take this long to review applications? i've even reached back out asking for an update on some of them, but i haven't even gotten a response back on that. some of these schools do show a "status update" on the application forms, but some of them don't even say they're under review after like a month
>>17064413Universities are slow some have taken months to get back to me. Thank god the both of us are independently wealthy and don't need to rely on a wage to live.
>>17064413it depends on the employer sometimes they are fast sometimes they are slow as hell. ~1month - 80 days seems standard to get a rejection mail or interview link. Status is useless I have one that says active for 2 years now. Also they never read the coverletter or CV which makes me wonder why the hell it takes that long.
>>17058671>Holy fucking grim even the pharma companies are jeetedLiterally every field of STEM education and medicine is completely filled with Indians. Absolutely every profession.
>graduated from PhD in July>50+ jobs applied to>4 video interviews>1 in person interview on TuesdayI have to nail this, and they're paying a weirdly high amount for an entry level position. If I didn't have that one singular year of industry experience I'd be getting absolutely nothing, and I bet everyone else interviewing for this position also has a PhD.
>>17062175>QuantumSo should I apply at the NV diamond lab at my uni? Unfortunately my undergraduate was in chemistry.
>>17064932A 10% invite quota within a month for fulltime positions is crazy good.
>>17064938It definitely doesn't feel that way. I was applying to jobs 6 years ago after my masters, I applied to 5 and got 3 interviews, then 1 job offer before my first choice PhD gave me a place since I was on the waiting list, so I did that instead. The 2026 job market is catastrophically bad, it's far worse than 2021.
>>17064944>6 years5 years*
>>17064607>work in the chem field>town hall for company>some jeet got hired for whatever the fuck role I wasn't paying attention>gets up in front of everyone>spends 30 fucking minutes boasting about how awesome he is>nobody can understand a thing he said despite living in a western country longer than I've been aliveHe is like the 20th upper management jeet we have gotten too. Every single white dude has been let go and some new jeet gets hired to replace him. We've churned through a dozen or so upper management jeets this year alone. Idk what they keep doing to get fired or why we keep hiring yet more indians to replace the ones who get let go.
>>17065030>2026>still doesnt realize the disenfranchisement and replacement of white men is intentional
Has anyone self-funded a PhD? Realistically, it is only going to be like $200,000. Thoughts?
>>17057127>people keep talking shit in this general about things they have no idea aboutI mean, not really?90% of this general is>"I HATE MY PI AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIND A JOB AAAAAA"Which is exactly on point for 20somethings.
I am honestly so full of life and vitality and it's actually sickening the way society has punished me for it.
>>17065145I'm 32 but I guess I have a youthful energy...
>>17065150I am so full of poo and pee and it's actually sickening the way I'm going to punish my toilet
>>17065144>self-funded a PhDThat's an extremely retarded thing to do hence almost nobody did it hence those who did it are unlikely to be here.Even a fully-funded PhD is a questionable investment.
>>17065159Did mocking me make you feel better?
>>17065151Sucks to suck audhubillah.
>>17065150>t. biology lab frog
>>17065189Yeah mate I'll have a doner kebab on chips with chili sauce and garlic mayo, salad, and a mango Rubicon cheers
Is it normal to have two PhDs and still teach high school?
>>17065144I self funded my first year, very long story why. It is best to avoid.And I still live an austere lifestyle, these days out of habit, not out of necessity.
>>17065336at least he's employed, rare thing these days
>>17061767>There is interesting but niche physics there but superconductivity is a joke field.What?>I have watched people present the exact same research with the exact same analysis year after year for 15 years now but this time it's different. This new compound has 0.0001% more oxygen in it. Not to mention that the crystals they study are irreproducible, no two behave the same and all samples are made by two dudes in the states or japan who shit out crystals and send them around the world for study.Isn't that the same for all fields? >Cuprates are the biggest sinners of the perovskites but all of them have problems.At least YBCO is fairly reliable as a workhorse, and Tc around 95K is OK. Thallium compunds are known but few want to work with those.>UTe2 is somewhat better.In what way?> but is irrelevant because it isn't a magic room temp solution.For high power and microwave applications, a Tc around 90 K is fine.>The field has no predictive capability, they are waiting for someone to magic out of their arse a room temp room pressure superconductor."Exploration", please.>Most researchers were ready to rope when the LK99 debacle happened even though they should have been capable of reading that initial paper release and seeing from the figures that it was not a superconductor. Or at least it lacked enough proof.L and K had been working on this since 1999 so people still hope there is something there.>As a general rule, do not study superconductivity and if you must, DO NOT GO INTO HIGH TEMPERATURE SUPERCONDUCTIVITY AND ESPECIALLY NOT HIGH PRESSURE. Yes I will make my computer out of a fragile crystal which degrades in air and requires 30 GPa to go superconducting.The multi GPa room temperature superconductor is discredited now.By now you should be able to guess what my PhD was about...
>>17065336High school teachers in Austria and Germany are extremely well paid government employees with very generous pensions.
>>17061767>>highpower magnets>If you want to join a fusion startup sure.Permanent magnets are also used for wind power generators, and there is a lot of fous on finding alloys without rare earth elements.
I hate these ai people very much and I hope they die of acute cardiac arrest
There is a special place in hell for professors that load a technical and hands on subject with statistics
I forgot this general existedI got my Msc in EEI'm now 30I'm still extremely unemployable, even more so due to AI. Kinda regret not doing med school instead but being a NEET is fine too I guessHow's everyone else doing?
>>17065604It doesn't matter what the subject is - if statistics are not involved, you're just jerking off.
>>17065562there's electric motors that do not use magnets at all, they use electricity for both stator and rotor. why can't they do the same for wind power generators?
>>17065718>why can't they do the same for wind power generators?Because permanent magnet generators can be very small and light for their power, and require very little maintenance. Which is not that important when they are at the foot of a dam or next to a natural gas powered steam turbine, but does matter a lot when you place it on a hundred meter tall pole over the ground or sea where just the installation cost eats the first 8 years of output and you have to pay for a heli and a certified jackoff to look at it twice a year and order a fucking floating crane crew in case anything actually requires replacement.
>>17065336its not a bad role can be quite comfy. Also most of the teacher in my gymnasium had some kind of phd.
>>17065688why would a EE msc be unemployable? I would think some fab would want you.
>>17065911I did power
>>17065911>why would a EE msc be unemployableMost of the ITT regulars are unemployable due to being smelly mouthbreathing antisocial autismos fundamentally incapable of engaging in a professional conversation with another human being without employing slurs or ecchi anime references. Degrees and accolades are not the issue.
>>17065935That's not true
>>17065935Math and physics degrees are not that employable, even for normies
>>17065715The subject is drilling muds. It's about on the spot regulations of their properties-no one is doing any sort of statistics there except in some labs.
>>17065943Please provide labor survey data that indicates unemployment rates above median across same grade education for engineering, physics or mathematics graduates for a relevant country or region. I hold a PhD in a completely different area, so it's not personally motivated copium, I just know that most of perpetual bawwwww itt is produced by human waste.
>>17065954There is a large difference between engineering degrees and math/physics degrees.
>>17065958Please provide labor survey data that indicates etc etc etc
>>17065959>>17065958No need to go on this tangent over my post. First, AI adoption and jobless are impossible to measure right now using past data due to technology being extremely new and labour statistics being a lagging metric. Moreover, when it comes to engineering the nature of the business still necessitates a human in the loop. Nobody wants to risk their reputation by cutting staff and by extension, risking a preventable and dumb mishap that burns someone's house down. Doesn't really help me given they can still freeze hiring and use AI to improve efficiency per engie
>>1705710130 is not old 30 is young ok
Weird situation. I have an in person job interview soon, and the internal recruiter sent me a confirmation email with the CV of someone else attached. I assume this person is also being interviewed. They don't have any drug discovery industry experience, immunology research experience, and don't have a PhD, I have all of those, but they do have some skills mentioned in the job description that I don't have. They're also from a foreign country, but idk if that would matter at all. Also they had a section about being a piano teacher, which I thought was weird.
>>17065959stop reddit posting
>>17065959
>>17066041censor the name and post it.
>>1706598640 is the new 10.
>>17066057nope
>>17066062why not? since you are lying on 4chan /scg/? this is a very serious thread. please don't lie and spread misinformation.
>>17066063Because you'll still be able to find out who they are based on the other information, given that LinkedIn is a thing. But you know that, so fuck off.
>>17066066so what?
>>17066071Hmmm I wonder what people will do on this most trustworthy of websites. You're not getting their CV.
>>17066082give them a better job offer? just admit you are lying.
>>17066054So looking at actual up to date data at the source (sasuga /sci/)https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market#--:explore:outcomes-by-majorOnly physics showed above average unemployment rate for 2024, by a grand total of 1%. Math sits on the average. Both also happen to show some of the better underemployment rates, 13% and 16% below the average respectively.This means that math and physics degrees are overall cumulatively just barely less employable than average, and substantially better than average if you don't consider burger joints and Amazon warehouses as solid career options.In conclusion the degrees are fine as of 2024.
If you posted that man's CV I would find him and suck his dick clean off. Not yours. His.
>>17066100Computer, condition only on people who have suffered world historically during their lives. Now cross reference with those who have been raped by their supervisor. Make sure to account for confounding due to girl bullies and early onset male menopause. Now write this up in a slideshow for me.
Computer, generate me some combos
>>17066054I find that statisrics really hard to believe. Physicists more unemployed that fine arts graduates??? With the recent LLM releases I guess CS is having a far harder time.>>17066100I am still astonished about the stats for maths graduates.
Can somebody explain why I chose to get a math phd?
>>17066164>Physicists more unemployed that fine arts graduateswhat job are you going to do as a physics grad? You are overqualified for nearly everything underqualified for a real research job if you don't have a phd. Then there is the general lack of understanding what a physicists actually does everyone seems to assume that physicists jerk off in their office thinking about math.
>>17066181Most sit around their office jerking off thinking about combos
>>17066181>what job are you going to do as a physics grad?Research, consulting, quality assurance ...>You are overqualified for nearly everything underqualified for a real research job if you don't have a phd.The FAQ confirms you do need a PhD, sure. And many,. perhaps most of my fellow students went on to complete a PhD.>Then there is the general lack of understanding what a physicists actually does everyone seems to assume that physicists jerk off in their office thinking about math.Weird.And even weirder are all the mysteriously employed fine arts and liberal arts graduates. And "miscellaneous technologies??" Surely a Physicist could do that.
The headhunted into applying to desk rejected CV combo has hit againCan't they just brand "unemployable" across my forehead and be done with it
>>17066146UwU. Why do you say that?
>>17066495It is just my style.
Is it possible at this late age to learn to throw it back on myself therapeutically as a man with childhood trauma?
I have a degree in computer engineering, but I have zero internship experience and an average GPA. All my résumé features are projects I did throughout my undergraduate career. It's less than stellar to say the least. I had to take a job as a wageslave in order to pay off my student loan debt. What can I possible do at this point to get interviews?
>>17066671MSc or PhD.
Being me is so difficult.
>just teach High School bro
>>17067124Stephen Colbert opened a school in France and you will NOT guess what happened next...
I really dont like my job.
>>17067133Yeah guess what genius, it's called a job not a like Einstein...
>>17067124This has been going on for years. A French acquaintance has shared a lot of these clips but only this week did the mainstream press such as Financial Times bother to write about it using heavily "curated" clips and pictures.
You all look down upon these uneducated peasants. This is similar to how people with PhDs look down upon ""people"" with only MScs.
>Your CV is heavy on credentials and light on a visible trajectory since 2021.Why is Claude so mean to me?
>>17067225>You all look down upon these uneducated peasants.No.
Apparently telling recruiters that you are "a cowboy looking for anything heavy" isn't a winning move
You are a cringe boy looking for anything heavy to shove up your ass man shut the fuck up
>>17067351>Resume states applicant "Had to get it on"
>>17066164Arts graduates already know they'll be unemployable so they'll get a barista job straight away and show up as employed on the statistics, physicists will keep applying for physics jobs for a year wondering why no one wants them>t. in this situation
>>17067483Plenty of teaching jobs for arts grads. I think you underestimate how terrible a physics degree is for jobs.
>>17067483how many interviews did you have so far?t. soon to be in similar position
I am being blasted by negative psychical energy to such an insanr level it's actually I a miracle that I haven't been reduced to a pile of dust.
>>17065688Apply to a federal job at GS-9. Look on usajobs.
Got a BS in mechanical engineering December last year and finally landed an entry-level role as an ME after over 200 applications sent out.
I honestly think when gothickingcobra (rest in pain) died last year the last thing saving me and frankly a lot of others from pure magickal suffering disappeared.
You just know someones a fuckin asshole when they put where they went to school pre-university on their linkedin.
>>17067589Who the fuck does this?
>>17067594Overwhelmingly those with parents who can put you in such luminary environments as Philips Andover Academy, The same highschool that macron went to, Eton, Winchester College, Harrow, some fancy school in Brazil and so on... I went to a school where kids were brought in to do exams with police escort. Needless to say I don't tell people about that linkedin the psychopath app
Any I'm not going to let the fact that official government policy in mon countryball encourages these international elites to gatekeep jobs from me stop me. Fuck them.
>>17067596I know that some very early career people put their IB school on there. It makes sense since IB is a lot more rigorous than many other curriculums.
>>17067617Its an affectation that, I think if we are being honest, is very pathetic.
>>17067600Let me guess? Rejected from Oxford and Cambridge?
>>17067483 >>17067511 >>17067526Where did you apply? I had a few setbacks but I got relevant jobs. The defence spending is increasing rapidly and there should be plenty of work for physicists.t. Physicist.
>>17067620I have been rejected comprehensively by society in a way few could ever understand. My own father can barely stand to look me in the eye. My mother is afraid of me. People cross the street when they see me lumbering towards them.
Mussolini, Dennis Rodman "the worm", Sinbad the actor/comedian. These are my icons, my board of directors.
>>17067652system developer, software dev, technician, physicists in production monitoring, test hardware engineer etc. 19 application 2 invites in 6 months. Maybe 1 second round idk they seem to be stalling. Should maybe be more but there are barely any jobs for physicists in my country. Could have done more but I really suck at writing cover letters and it takes me days to write one.
>>17067689>Could have done more but I really suck at writing cover letters and it takes me days to write one.don't you just give a base template to ai and tell it to adapt it for a job and company?
>>17067708never worked for me AI always fucks it up and just copies whatever my CV says and the job ad says and mashes it up missing the whole point. It reads terribly. I know people don't read it but I still don't want to hand in obvious AI stuff.
>>17067711>never worked for me AII haven't tried with this usecase, but many things that never worked for me with AI have started working in the last couple months
>>17067689>system developer, software dev, technician, physicists in production monitoring, test hardware engineer etc.I have done most of those jobs. Embedded software development, interfacing to sensors and devices is a field where a physicist should have good odds.>there are barely any jobs for physicists in my countryWhich?
>>17067715>Embedded software development, interfacing to sensors and devices is a field where a physicist should have good odds.you would think so but apparently not.> Which?Germany.
My inability to find work is literally causing mysterious pains to arise all over my body
Thinking of working for a car company? Don't:https://dailycallernewsfoundation.org/2026/09/30/bmw-just-announced-its-replacing-several-management-roles-with-ai/>BMW announced Wednesday it planned to slash its management structure by 20% while expanding the use of artificial intelligence across its operations.
>>17067589I have it just because I made my LinkedIn when I was still in early undergrad and just never got around to deleting it
>>17067886Well get to stepping sheesh
Your ICLR papers are being reviewed by an unemployed for 8 month peckerwood. How does that feel AI sissies?
Got a an offer as a radar test engineer at a major defence contractor. What am I in for?I have fizzbuzz tier knowledge of matlab/python and worried it might filter me on the job.
>>17068010>What am I in for?Claude>fizzbuzz tier knowledge of $PROGRAMMING_LANGUAGENot important, you'll be prompting nonstop and can just accept anything claude outputs as correct. You don't want to appear an anti-AI luddite in front of your manager.
>>17067589I saw someone who only put their PhD and not their undergrad in the profile. They were like 50 but I still think a degree of any kind is something you'd never ignore.
MS in Stat considering a transfer to EE bachelor's after working for 43k/year as a "data analyst". How cooked am I, anons? Do I just try to experiencemogg or is going for something ""more secure"" the play here?
They will strap you down to a table and Jordan Peterson milking table you dry if you so much as put a toenail wrong in this life if you aren't socially privileged.
I want to take a deep breath, read some books and play a video game but I am actually being raped so badly
I am struggling deeply and have been for a long time
>>17068137If you earned all three degrees at one place, then you usually only list the PhD
>>17065909>3.8eur/month net pay>extremely well paidWhat? I make that at saab.
Its not fair that because I had a traumatic childhood that I should suffer further as an adult.
>>17068010you should expect to shocked by the incompetence of everybody working on the latest Gaza Destroyer 3000.
>>17065688>>17067583It's all about your frame of mind, but I found this ironic as an EE with 8+ years in civil service (hired in out of college as a palace acquire). I kind of hate working here because it is more project management than engineering. But...you really can't beat the hours. A government job is more than fine if you only need a steady income. It's usually not a great place for career or technical growth.I'm here until the housing market sucks less and the kids are older.
>>17068381>I'm here until the housing market sucks less and the kids are older.
>>17068394I was waiting for it kek. Honestly, the job would be a lot better if the current state of politics wasn't so awful. It's difficult to effectively make multi-year project plans when congress can't pass a real budget on time. And between the covid lockdown and DOGE / DRP, we lost a huge portion of our knowledge base.
Another day another humiliation doled out to me by a hr roastie. Just cut the crap and crush my tiny pingas with your red bottomed louboutins!
>>17068248I never heard of that, weird
> are you EU citizen?> do you require a visa?why do they bother asking this for a german job application. Anyone needing a visa isn't going to read German he is going to read the english site....
>>17068677If you look at wikipedia, they do the same. Institution + highest degree attained there.
>>17067843>managementnoice>>17068144why transfer?
I have been trying to pivot to semiconductors as a Chem major for like forever without any luck but recently I got an internship offer but it's in fucking bonding adhesives. Am I too picky? I feel like surfaces, coatings, plasma chemistry or wider materials engineering are far more interesting to me than fucking glue...
>>17068699Well, the English-language applications go straight to the trash can so the smart people all apply via the German site and they still need to indicate their status.
>>17068010fucking around in the lab or the production floor if it's hardware oriented. expect a lot of (non-vibe, contractors are living 10 years in the past) coding in python or rust or whatever scripting language they useyou'll probably have to travel pretty often, have fun in new mexico lmao
how do i get a better job if im too burnt out from my current job to apply for other jobs
FUCKING HELP ME aaaaaahhhAHAHHHHHHH
Can I please have a positive experience for just once in my life. Please. Fuck. Please
>>17070050>>17070032you shouldnt waste your time begging on 4chan go to a job fair.
>>17070109I need more than just a job at this point fuck you
>>17065030>>17058671You are an epstein albeit
>>17070032 >>17070050 >>17070146How about a motivational post?>>17070109Well, this is teh general where Invictus is considered motivational.
>>17068896Glue holds the world together man...
>>17070614I thought it was love
what do i do with a math degree
>>17068381Did you hate it from the start or what?
>>17070551Thank you, I needed this badly. I also need full body fascial release, a colonic massage and crystal healing but that will have to wait.
which work would you guys choose?> important work very close to my field but shit pay and very long commute > decent pay short commute regular times but uses like 30% of my skills and is a different fieldthe only thing the first has is that I get to play with lasers at a very high level something I never could do before.
>>17071188The first but only because there is something seriously wrong with me.
>>17071188Whichever one is less likely to be replaced by AI.
Ages like fine wine
>>17070956We all have days like that, anon. And since I cannot get massage wherever, I have instead collected a large comfy folder.Enjoy.
>And since I cannot get massage wherever, I have instead collected a large comfy folder.me 2
how do you guys know how to format your resume (industry)?
>>17072052Some combination of the following:>Look at other people's resumes, preferably ones in your field>Consult a guide; e.g. https://www.careers.cam.ac.uk/applying-for-jobs/cvs-and-cover-letters>Ask a clanker (don't blindly follow, in my experience they emphasize wrong things and embellish the truth but they are good for general points and condensing)
As an employed chemistry grad the only advice I can give you is immediately pivot to a more applied sub-field when it comes to getting experience if you actually want to be employable at one point. The classic lab head/synthesis career is dead unless you want to spend a decade in academia and then maybe you might make it in something like drug design. With a Bachelor's and no other experiences there are only badly paid quality assurance/analytics jobs and in (chemical) industry engineering grads are vastly preferred over physical scientists because they can actually build/manage industrial plants, duh. Unless you don't want to be stuck being a waste water technician at your municipal treatment plant you need to pivot to fields that are a bit removed from classical chemistry or switch majors all together such as materials science and engineering (energy materials, metallurgy, plastics, composites, etc. for example), semiconductors, electrochemistry/battery tech or thin film/deposition technology are way more employable than the classical chemistry route and in the aforementioned areas you are competing with people that have done more adequate and even preferred engineering majors.Shit is grim. We were born too late. The low hanging fruits are all gone. Industry experience is nowadays way more important than virtually anything including what your actual STEM diploma says.
>>17072131>stuck being a waste water technician at your municipal treatment plant The real blackpill is that this is about the best expected outcome for about 99% of anons in this thread. And, probably, the one that would make them the happiest.
>>17072131>We were born too late. The low hanging fruits are all gone. Knowledge is more freely available than ever before. The low hanging fruits are gone because everyone got a stepladder. >Industry experience is nowadays way more important than virtually anything including what your actual STEM diploma says.As it should be. Most jobs have little overlap with degrees anyway. Not that degrees are useless, knowing the basics well is always worth it, but basics are exactly what they are.
>>17072131I would say that this advice also applies to physicists or any non-engineering STEM, at least those that still want to continue to work in wider stem. Though traditionally, meaning pre-AI, they had at least an easier time pivoting to other fields such finance and consulting and especially software or traditional EE roles.
>>17072169Hey, desu you are somewhat right. It kind of depends. Personally, I love infrastructure and in many developed countries utilities are super stable and ok careers. There is definitely way worse. I was just trying to reach for an example that is 'in the field'. At the bottom yes but least somewhat related.
>>17070956>be le "depressed">see a le inspirational picture>not le "depressed" anymoreAre normalniggers this suggestible?
>>17072359Never underestimate the powers of comfy cats. And if you don't undertand, you just haven't been there yet.
>>17072364eventually we all turn into boomers
>>17072370I had expected there would be more of them here already:https://strawpoll.com/mpnb1wzXvy5
Carmela will you please give me a jooooooooooooooooooooob
>>170723591. Delete this post2. Apologise to me for posting it immediately
hi i am currently in my last year of school , i wanted to ask this because i always wanted to be come a scientist , what courses should i pursue in college (graduation and afterwards ) to become a researcher in physics , particle physics
>>17072469Lmao, good one kid.
>>17072469>hi i am currently in my last year of school , i wanted to ask this because i always wanted to be come a scientist ,That is a tough career with very little income.>what courses should i pursue in college (graduation and afterwards ) to become a researcher in physics , particle physicsParticle physcs is not a good choice, competition is insane.
>come to work>absolutely no motivation to do anything>even more than usual>it's crippling actuallyWhy even bother learning shit when SI will make me unemployable in a year or two
>>17072970sneeder intelligence
>>17072970same to be honest. nobody told me it would be 100x harder to stay motivated on the job than in school.
>What do the experts say about starting out in a STEM career?https://www.siliconrepublic.com/careers/experts-starting-out-stem-career-working-life-tcs-fidelity-investments>For those looking for the most straightforward route, Jennifer Scott, the head of cyber delivery and operations at Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) Ireland, explained that young people who enjoy STEM subjects and are interested in a tech, engineering or science career should look into a bachelor of science degree. >She told SiliconRepublic.com: “This is definitely the most linear entry path to a career in STEM. Organisations, such as TCS, looking to onboard fresh talent into STEM roles, look to universities for graduates. Some organisations contribute to course and curriculum content so are invested in the graduates who pass through these courses.”
>>17073342Wait, there's more>for those in college or who have recently graduated, Scott recommends getting some part-time work experience in a people facing role, prior to committing to a STEM career, in an area such as hospitality. >She explained: “I have observed that colleagues at TCS who have worked in the hospitality sector previously are more confident and comfortable with the human interaction and professional aspects of the role. So, for any young anons out there:>BSc in biomechem>Work at starbucksAnd Big Tech will be knocking down your door!
How do i into aerospace eng as a chemE bachelor? Anyone here do it? I was planning on applying to a masters programme but i dont know if theyll accept me
>>17073342>hiring managers who are required by company's guidelines say good things in publicnobody's hiring anymore, the indeed stats and shit are falsified to make false sense of normalcynow go stock up that shelf, phd boy
Anyone got a recommendation for a stats book preferably with python? I already know python and co. but never did stats with it. Lied on a application that I know stats. Well a half life I used to be good at it but forgot everything already. First interview since graduating 6 months ago...
>>17073686Statistical rethinking
Why are people in math academia acting like everything is okay and grad students are going to survive this?
>>17073951probably because verifying, understanding or formulating the problem requires deep math knowledge? Same problem with the programing stuff AI can do it now yes but if you have no idea what side effects happen with your code is it really smart to use it? Probably not.
>>17074308All of what you said will be done by AI. Hell, a lean verified proof doesn't even need to be verified any further.
>>17074332and what does it matter if you can't apply the knowledge lean supposedly verified? How are you going to know the problem statement was correct from the start? Whats the point of any of this AI isn't a magic black box that will do all the thinking for you if you want to use the insight you have to understand it.
>>17074335There isn't a point, but people don't get paid on points. What's the point of all the vibe-coded software that all runs like shit now? What's the point of all the AI tools in Windows and now, MacOS that everyone hates. There's no point. Academia is literally going to if not already has become a slopfest of AI generated articles, and it's not going to stop. Just look at Med and Bio. It had become slopfest way before AI and it still is.
HELLOOOOO? HELLLLOOOOOOOO!!!!???? A LITTLE FUCKIN HELP PLEASE???? HJELLLLOOOOOOO IS ANYONE THERE??????
>>17074332Why is lean cited as le benchmark for math proofs? Isn't it just a piece of software that can have bugs in?t. clueless
>>17074620There are three independently written Lean kernels. The probability of all three Lean kernel having the same bug is far lower than the probability of a human making a mistake.
>>17074620>Why is lean cited as le benchmark for math proofs?Because the spambots are prompted that way. It's not a benchmark for anything and never has been.
>>17074620>>17074623even if it has a bug it doesn't mean all proven results where wrong. You just rerun all the proofs to double check but only if the bug is exploited does it mean a proof could be void
>>17074417>What's the point of all the AI tools in Windows and now, MacOS that everyone hatesOur new IT security consultant forced me to abandon my comfy linux setup and use windows ~for security reasons~. Jesus Christ it got so much worse since I switched 10y ago.>explorer takes 2 seconds to open>must reboot at least twice after an update>annoying popups all the time "please login to onedrive" "there's a soundcard driver update please reboot now" "did you try copilot?" FUCK OFFI am so sorry for those who has to endure this shitshow so far. If not for recession and AI I'd be looking for a new job.
>>17074620>>17074630It is a formal math language that can be checked for correctness. The biggest issue is translating from lean to natural language.
>>17074635>It is a formal math language that can be checked for correctness.And? Who's gonna check it for correctness? (You)?
Wakey wakey its time to shuck and jive in front of some ivy league wanker whos decided to decamp to your rapidly de-developing nation and gatekeep jobs from you for some reason
> its been two weeks since they promised to reply back> ask status> lol> lmao> noassholes
>>17074332Claude can't EVER tell what fucking time it is. Constantly acts 100% sure of itself saying it's a certain time and day while being WILDLY incorrect every.fucking.time. And when you try to fix its retardation it makes up the most odd sounding excuses why it can't be fixed.
>>17074663Can a human tell what time it is if they don't have access to a clock?
>>17074666can an AI?
>>17074666>Can a human tell what time it is if they don't have access to a clock?Yes, retard. You probably can't but you're not fully human.
