is everyone just pretending that progress is being made?
>>17062299Progress is being made. The Romans would not dare attempt what we do routinely with concrete. The one secret of regenerating the concrete, including unmixed lime clasts that leech into the cracks when it gets whet, is now being implemented in concrete that can do everything else we expect concrete to do these days.
>>17062299If romans kill half of the romans, then they'll have enough bones for a few new roman concrete buildings
>>17062332It should also be noted that Romans didn't "invent" self-healing concrete more so than come up with it by accident. They made concrete and then over the decades figured out that concrete made in certain areas or by certain people or with certain mixtures was good and used more of those mixes. They did not know it was "self-healing" nor why it was like that. Not only is that an inherently survivorship bias thing but then you got another layer of survivorship bias in the roman concrete that survives today which basically by definition is only the best stuff, most roman concrete crumbled thousands of years ago. It's also a basic myth that people today can't make good concrete, it's the exact opposite. Because todays concrete science is so advanced we have mixtures for all sorts of design specs. You don't put concrete that lasts a 1000 years into a bridge that you know you will replace in 50 years anyways when trucks are 20 times as heavy as they were when it was built and you need to add 2 more lanes and a central light rail track.
>>17062424>It should also be noted that Romans didn't "invent" self-healing concreteThe same can be said now for vaccinations.
>It should also be noted that Romans didn't "invent" self-healing concreteWhere are all these morbidly diseased animals coming form?
>>17062299Stealth Fomenko thread
>>17062531Fomenko is a lame plagiarist of Morozov, the og new chronology schizo.
>>17062528You could not go to a Roman engineer and ask for self-healing concrete, he would not know what the fuck you are talking about. Some of their concrete happened to be self-healing, they did not invent self-healing concrete. These things aren't the same thing.
>>17062562>You could not go to a Roman engineer and ask for self-healing concrete, he would not know what the fuck you are talking about.No, but you could've gone to a Roman engineer, asked for good concrete, and gotten this concrete that the Romans invented.
>>17062299Planned obsolescence and enshittification are progress. Imagine getting stuck into infrastructural and architectural stagnation just because a given material seems more performative.
>Planned obsolescence and enshittification are progress. Imagine getting stuck into infrastructural and architectural stagnation and never arriving at crumbling concrete cubes and cardboard goyhouses
>>17062572Which would not be self-healing
>>17062582>Which would not be self-healingUnless they gave you this concrete, which they liked using for things they wanted to stay standing.
>>17062528reddit derangement syndrome
>>17062299Woah, Romans was chemists and shit? I hate le science now!
this might blow your mind but, chemistry derives from al chemy which meant the study of khem.What was Khem? The ancient name for egypt.When you realise that no one has yet figured out how they made and moved their stone sarcophogai or how they bored holes in basalt and granite you will start to appreciate what other technologies have been lost or perhaps deliberately hidden.
>>17062537>chronology schizoChronophrenia*.He both lives in and generally accepts the current timeline but in other times switches them to an alternate one. Split perception.
>>17062537>the og new chronology schizo.not Newton?
>>17062424>Not only is that an inherently survivorship bias thing aka evolution
>>17062424>It should also be noted that Romans didn't "invent" self-healing concrete more so than come up with it by accident.Why does the "science" board invent imaginary motivations for entities born thousands of years ago?
>>17063942Ummmm, sweaty? My point is that they did NOT publish any peer-reviewed material science articles about "self-healing" concrete. That means they didn't invent it, they just accidentally mixed random stuff together for no reason and then accidentally used it to put together a bunch of structures (contrary to popular belief, the Romans did not engineer anything).
>>17062299>>17062562>go back in time looking for some pozzolanic concrete>ask the roman engineer if his concrete is self-healing hot-mixed pozzolanic or natural hydraulic pozzolanic>he doesn't understand>pull out diagram explaining what's self-healing hot-mixed concrete and what's natural hydraulic concrete>he laughs and says "it's a good concrete, o Briton">buy concrete>it's natural hydraulic
>>17063971(natural hydraulic pozzolanic was very good and widely used by the way, it just wasn't the self-healing unslaked quicklime variety in OP's pic, slaked lime + natural pozzolanic was generally considered superior for monumental work)
time wasting b8 thread. by retards, for retards
>>17063942That's exactly the opposite of what I'm doing because Romans did not have the concept of self-healing concrete so you can't exactly call it an invention of theirs.This is the accurate description of the times>>17063971Romans did not conceptualize concrete as self-healing, they did not have the chemistry or fine understanding of the mixtures to know what that even is. They had concrete they knew was good trough experience some of which was self-healing for reasons they would not understand and they had concrete that was bad but cheap. Some of the concrete that survives today is the self-healing variety which is partially why it survives.You are the one assigning imaginary motivations as if Romans intended to build some random pillar that would last million years because of weird trick of chemistry they didn't even know about. On the meta level this is the science board precisely because we don't buy into memes about muh ancient magic. Romans had materials they knew that laster basically forever, it's called stone. They built things the things they wanted to last forever out of stone. If we want stuff to last forever we built it out of stone too. We don't make most things last forever for exact same reasons Romans don't, because it's not economical to do so for most things.
>Romans did not have the concept of self-healing concrete so you can't exactly call it an invention of theirs.Literal subhuman.
kekt at >>17064010 literally doing what >>17063950 predicts
>>17064014They used concrete. They did not have the concept of self-healing concrete. Some of their concrete just was like that. I do not know what your problem with that is. It's about as silly as saying they ran on nuclear power because some of them had eaten bananas and those have lots of nuclear reactions inside them.
>>17064020>be roman>observe that certain concrete structures mixes seem to last forever compared to others>build important building using this concrete
>>17064021But that's not what they did. Lots of Roman concrete was good and lasted basically forever. That is not limited to just the self-healing variety, nor is self-healing concrete even necessarily all that good of a concrete for short term.Another good material science example is steel (and basically all useful metal alloys for that matter). The usage of steel far predates the invention of steel for the exact same reason.
>>17062424>They made concrete and then over the decades figured out that concrete made in certain areas or by certain people or with certain mixtures was good and used more of those mixesSo capitalism gave us self-healing concrete.
>>17064020>They did not have the concept of self-healing concreteyour parents didn't make you, because you're a retard and they did not have the concept of creating a retard
>>17064024>The usage of steel far predates the invention of steel for the exact same reason.your physical body popping out of your mom's cunt far predates your existence, because i know what you really are is a retard, but your mom didn't have this concept back then
>>17064031>>17064034Why are you giving him so much shit? The Romans did not conceptualize their concrete as "self-healing" because they had no materials science to study the exact means by which the mixture achieved its longevity. They had self-healing concrete without understanding what exactly it was doing.
>>17064047You are responding to a shitposter, don't do that.
>>17064047>The Romans did not conceptualize their concrete as "self-healing">They had self-healing concrete without understanding what exactly it was doing.and your mom did not conceptualize you as a retard. and she definitely did not understand what she was doing. does that mean she didn't make you? you are a retard, after all. i have the necessary knowledge to conceptualize you that way, but she didn't. she didn't make you. i made you
>>17064025capitalism doesn't exist
>>17064052Sure it does, it was just described, a process of competing for the best product for available value and resources.
>>17062299>self-healing roman concrete>scientists pretending to have just figured this out nowIt has been known and understood for many manu years. We have our own concretes which can do this now, and even when volcanic ash is unavailable we have other pozzolans besides that, like fly ash, which do the same. We also have a whole host of exotic additives that the Romans never could have dreamed of, but the biggest advancement has been rebar, which lets us do pic rel.You cannot do this with Roman concrete. Roman concrete had to be under compression, with no rebar to take up tension, that meant any span needed an arch, with huge foundations. What we do with concrete the Romans wouls have thought witchcraft.But rebar is a faustian bargian; with rebar you can span huge gaps with very little concrete, but it will die young. No structure which relies on rebar will last more than one or two centuries. The rebar WILL corrode eventually, and when it does that it swells and kills the concrete. None of our concrere structures will last as some Roman structures did, not because they knew something about concrete formulation that we don't, but because we use it different. Everything we make is optimized for cost, optimized to use the least amount of concrete possible, and that means nothing gets built to last forever. Nobody wants to foot the bill for it.
>>17064060>Sure it does, it was just described, a process of competing for the best product for available value and resources.That's a normal market function you will find everywhere. Capitalism is credit controlled economy. What you're facing is neofeudalism / pure nepotism.
Capitalism didn't exist before Marx conceptualized it. Right wangers should worship the guy.
>>17064079You are wrong and every normal definition of capitalism would disagree with you
>>17064098>every normal definition of capitalism would disagree with youThancs, NPC
>>17064130Btw. the definition is from one of the greatest German economist. He was the architect of the German Wirtschaftswunder and at that time member of the cabinet. Surely you never heard about because you are filled with the vomit you and all the others licked it up greedily.
>>17062424they should have used 1000 year concrete on the bridges that were meant to last 50 years because the fucking fed won't replace them and now they're all falling apart
>>17064097Capitalism was invented by Marx as a pejorative term
how can non-organic matter self-heal?
>>17064220>having any control whatsoever over meaninglol, lmao
>>17064397Self-healing concrete works by having internal reservoirs of the reaction products, which get transported out by water when it cracks, but the transported minerals crystallize and fill the cracks.
>>17062424Coming up with something by experimenting is pretty close to inventing it.
>>17064442Noooo it doesn't count unless its done by The Science!!
>>17064442Coming up with something is inventing it, period. IFLSers would have you think otherwise because they're quite literally insane.
>>17064442But they didn't "come up with it". They didn't know they had it. They came up with concrete, some of which just happened to be self-healing.
>>17062424what you are missing is that modern concrete has something that makes roman concrete superior by way of it lacking it, it being planed obsolescence
>>17064467your parents didn't make you. they didn't know they had a retard for a son when you were born
>>17064060And we don't have that, we live under too big to fail centralised debt printing systemscapitalism does not exist
>>17062299the forbidden salami
