Consciousness can't simply be the product of computation alone.The actual physical thing doing the computing matters just as much as the process.Hell, computation itself is just a human label we slap onto a predictable physical process. There's nothing inherently special about electricity running through a fucking rock.
>>17066853amateur tier schizo babble
Nature did it with time and selection pressure. I'm sure machine/software can eventually do it too, in a lot less time.I don't believe consciousness is some mystical entity, and I DO think it's a spectrum
The ant knows nothing about slavery and the hive knows nothing about tyranny.Anthropica and her human-sized cells is no different in her make up than the ant hill. Their toys are worse.
>>17066853>The actual physical thing doing the computing matters just as much as the processWrong. The only thing that matters is my dick.
>>17066853Same with Black Holes. you can't making them with basic constitutes without the field mechanics.
>>17066853If it turns out that consciousness IS just an emergent byproduct of information processing what would be the implication?
>>17066853You need to be stuck in a body to have consciousness
>>17066853>AI can't be conscious
>>17066911>If it turns out that consciousness IS just an emergent byproduct of information processing what would be the implication?That you're ARE in a padded room, hallucinating that your unfalsifiable schizo ontology just IS true.
>>17066872>Nature did it with time and selection pressureYou don't even know what you're talking about.
>>17066853I don't think you can prove that. You can disbelieve it, dislike it, and argue against it, but you can't prove it.
listen for the answer you desire, OP:computation is a special category of information process whereby you have a substrate whose organization creates complete causal determination (i.e. the causality is entirely entangled with its substrate). this can only be done when information is removed from the system.all things can be boiled down to change, or distinction (hence the green lion devours the sun), and your mind is made of a rigid structure of distinctions. so AI can indeed be conscious. but chatbots likely are not, or if they are, it is in a way that is entirely alien to humans (for no amount of studying a game will rebuild the computer who emulates it).
>>17066853>Consciousness can't simply be the product of computation aloneSays who? You made that up, retard.
>>17066853E = mc^2 + AI, where c = conciousness
>>17066911It would neatly explain at least why my consciousness is clearly anything but "pure".>>17066917With great sadness I gotta tell here ... it is not a strict requirement.
>>17066911We're not in the backrooms.
>>17066911AI and the Internet will spawn a type of individual autonomous consciousness.Rumous are it already has
>>17066987>computation is a special category of information process whereby you have a substrate whose organization creates complete causal determination (i.e. the causality is entirely entangled with its substrate).Ok.>so AI can indeed be conscious.Not according to your niche definition of computation. AI isn't even being computed according to it.
>>17066853What we have right now with this A.I (fake and lame version) is just a glorified calculator. They are not anywhere near real A.I. Even the conscious can't be simulated easily because of how many inputs it would require. They probably are gonna end up in the bio machine route to even come close to real consciousness simulation. That won't happen any time soon.
>>17067083The Fly proves that neural function compresses well. Bio-emulation may replicate what you're looking for with far less input than you think.
>>17066853Souls arent real and god doesnt exist. Grow up.
>>17067259>The Fly proves that neural function compresses wellThe fly proves that you can't even simulate a functioning fly.
>>17066853AI isn't "conscious" because consciousness is an interface, not le compooting. The conscious part is the frontend of your computer's OS.
SAAAAAAR! Consciousness is just the Java interface of the brain OS! Read Dennett, saar.
>>17067278I'm not seeing good evidence against it.
>>17067305Against what? Nobody is simulating any flies, just arbitrarily mapping semi-random outputs onto whatever they want and getting spastic activity on screen for normalgroids like you to clap in awe and screech with joy.
>>17067261He didn't bring any of that up.
>>17067308If god exists how come my calculator is conscious? Czech mate, christkeks.
>>17067083>What we have right now with this A.I (fake and lame version) is just a glorified calculator.Not all AI is LLM, nor are LLMs the o ly ones getting research and investment anon. The media and a lot of the investor shilling pushes that due to ease of convenience and the fact that the audience literally tunes out any actual attempt at explaining the intricacies amd differences.>They probably are gonna end up in the bio machine route to even come close to real consciousness simulation.Like replacing organs with synthetic or cloned ones?
>>17067307There are people simulating flies without rebuilding the connectome to arbitrary nonsense like playing Beat Saber.
>>17067316>There are people simulating fliesYeah? Show me.Impossible mode: WITHOUT some intermediary model trying to interpret the fly's intentions and map them into abstract control inputs for a biomimetic locomotion model that walks just fine without a brain. I wanna see virtual neurons controlling a virtual nervous system driving virtual muscles. And I wanna see the fly using it to do a stereotypical fly thing.
>>17066853AI will never be a schizoAI will never be an autistAI will never be a pedoAI will never be something else that it wasnt programmed for, even if it reaches self-replicant, autopoietic capabilities, even if it runs amok and destroys mankind, it was designed by human minds to originally serve the purposes of the (post)industrial society. Human consciousness pertains to the realization that we werent programmed, we werent designed, other than the forces of history outting us into the only realities we will ever know, and therefore conditioning our own existance, we werent build for a "higher purpose" by a sentinent mind. In other words, AI will never be human
>>17067325>AI will never be a schizo>AI will never be an autist>AI will never be a pedoHoly Mother of All Goalposts. This is it. What luddites have been looking for all these years. The ultimate test for AI to pass.
>>17067325>AI will never be a pedo
COMPUTE
>>17067325>AI will never be something else that it wasn't programmed forPerfection.
>>17066853>I'M SPECIAL! I'M MAGICAL! YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME! DO YOU HEAR ME?
