>>17072033>mentally ill AItards would inject AI-generated mystery juice that nobody understands>mentally ill AItards get mad that sane people don't share their enthusiasm
>>17072033>mathiesmiggers
>>17072047in the specific case of dying of terminal cancer with no cure and I'm 100% absolutely sure I'm going to die very soon from cancer I think most people in that situation would be willing to take risks with mystery concoctions. Hell, most people at that point are going to start praying to various gods and trying retarded alternative medicine scams, and at least the AI mystery broth has a better chance of working than that personally I think this is a bad example, only because he put the hypothetical in a situation where there's nothing to lose
>>17072033holy fuck. can we fire all these useless airbags yet?
>>17072086I guess it's possible that normalgroid cattle are so profoundly retarded they can't imagine anything worse than dying, but where in OP's hypothetical does it say the only other option is impending death?
>>17072092I'm saying that my response to "would I inject this mystery concoction" is pretty much completely contingent on how sever the cancer is. Like, if the doctors are confident that it can be cured with conventional methods I would just use those but if the doctors are saying I'm going to die in one week I'll chug the goo.
>>17072097And if 10 years down the line you become this?
>>17072047>>17072086>>17072092>>17072097>>17072103earth to retards: google what a stage 3 clinical trial is. it's already been tested on thousands of humans and was shown to treat the problem is proposes to with well understood side effects (if they exist), which are manageable.
>>17072106Why didn't you do that, mentally ill retard?
>>17072103What if I don't? What if it just works? What if there are side effects, but they're moderate? What if there are bad side effects but they're not as bad as dying in a week? It seems to me like you must be concocting some supernatural magical side effects to justify how this is bad and just assuming that the worst hypothetical you can concoct is what MUST happen. Like yes, there are some hypothetical fates worse than death that can be imagined. But it doesn't seem reasonable that they would happen. Lets get real here, I'm not going to turn into a zombie from a movie. The worst reaction possible that's not in the realm of fantasy bullshit is that it triggers some other different fatal illness (in which case i'm just back where I started and no worse off), or it triggers horrible mental disorders like schizophrenia or dementia. If it turned out it causes dementia then yeah, I would rather just die instead, but if it's just unknown I don't see any reason to have apocalyptic thinking about it and assume the worst.
>>17072109protip: there are countless drugs that passes stage 3 clinical trials despite not being well understood theoretically. and certainly not by mathematicians. if it works, it works. that's how medicine operates. if you wouldn't use this treatment, you're an idiot.
>>17072110>What if...Yes, retard. Since no one on the planed knows what you're injecting yourself with, there's quite a wide range of what-ifs and it includes every possible worse-than-death scenario.
>>17072113>I don't know what a clinical trial is
>>17072112Subhumans like you should have their posts traced back to their real-life identities, bet put in concentration camps and then used as test subjects for AI slop "cures" and other medical experiments.
>>17072114>my psychotic illness is causing me to hear voices
>>17072116>>17072117https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/pi57c/how_is_the_fda_able_to_approve_certain_drugs/
>>17072113A hypothetical side effect that's worse than death that someone isn't noticed over a 3 year trial is absurdly unlikely just in general. It's on the same level as worrying about getting hit by a meteor if you go outside. The only reason you're even entertaining such a slim possibility and pretending it's meaningful is because (you) personally hate AI and are working backwards from how much you hate AI to come up with delusional reasons why anything tainted by their touch must also be evil.
>>17072119>A hypothetical side effect that's worse than death that someone isn't noticed over a 3 year trial is absurdly unlikelyHow did you determine this, golem?
>>17072119it's funny because he thinks this is a thought experiment unique to ai, when as demonstrated over a decade ago (long before ai), people were already talking about this. mathematicians are a special breed of "people".
>>17072123>seething psychotic patient begs for updoots
>>17072116
>>17072033We have humans checking stuff now and it's still fucked up, like COVID vaxxx.
>>17072137See >>17072116
>>17072141you don't deserve to ever have anesthesia used on you.
>>17072146>incoherent psychotic mumbling
> WE DON’T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDSThis argument was used against vaccines
>>17072150The future holds nothing but wonders. They should be tested on you and your family first, though.
>>17072151you'll never experience it due to your aversion to science
>>17072153See >>17072116. Not sure why you keep (You)ing me. I literally don't consider you to be human.
>>17072155Methinks the pot doth call thy kettle black!
>Methinks the pot doth call thy kettle black!
>>17072156Kek you got him posting basedjaks now. He's* big mad. *He refers to the AI model that spams this board.
>Kek you got him posting basedjaks now. He's* big mad.
Listen. AI is essential for math. But I do agree that Sam Altman is a huge wiener.
>>17072047>implying you understood covid or the covid vaccine before injecting entire population with itcope reality
>>17072163>psychotic patient thinks it was my idea for him to get the 4 clotboosters he willingly consented to
>>17072033No.
>>17072033how is that even a thought experiment holy shit, I thought Tao was supposed to be smart
I used to respect tao
>>17072186He literally made a post to his MATH blog in 2016 about Donald Trump and how amazingly world-bending and mythological Donald Trump would be if he were elected. Tao is objectively one of the most socially gullible people to ever contribute significantly to the math canon.
>>17072047But this is an analogy. He's implying that AI could somehow make dangerous solutions to math equations.
>>17072033>mathies would rather die than admit there is something smarter than them
>>17072203He’s a cultist, socially, who reposts whatever shit his cult handlers posted into his brain last week.
>>17072033>cancer patienti consent >doctori consent>mathematicianum excuse me you can't take that, i haven't checked the work.is there someone you forgot to ask?
>>17072033Sounds dangerously antivax. He should probably be deported back to Australia and shoved into one of those camps
>>17072033I wish we could lock this cunt in a room and make him focus on solving number theory problems instead of mangling every attempted communication with normies and making us look like a community of retards.
yeah, tao'd better stop talking for a while. it's starting to look bad
>>17072138you mean the covid vaxx that schizos told us would kill 90% of the people who took it and in a year the streets would be overflowing with corpsesand then literally nothing happened and you're still desperately trying to cope with how brutally wrong you were?
>>17072210
>>17072251doctors won't consent without clinical trials, that could go on for a very long time. at some point we will have to drop even that and just trust the ai's word that it figured everything out. otherwise the progress will still be slow
>>17072252did you even read OP, it says it passed clinical trials
>>17072033I think its a decent argument.But also the bigger issue is AI hasnt cured cancer. It hasnt cured anything. Its fucking useless.
>>17072033Just someone stop this autist from talking. He can't communicate properly and his every blunder is causing humiliation for the community. Also fuck OAI and that faggot altman who got us into this mess instead of letting us peacefully adapt.
>>17072203>But this is an analogy. He's implying that AI could somehow make dangerous solutions to math equations.I don't know that he's even implying that but it's obviously true. Once AI corpos are done tech-demoing their chatbots on abstract math (and producing negative net value in the process) they'll have to demonstrate how it applies to real life. What happens when an engineer asks a slopbot for a mathematical guarantee and gets one, but in the form of incomprehensible Lean gibberish based on a flaw in the physical model?And it's not even about math. If there's a "cure" for cancer that kills you exactly one nanosecond after the clinical trials are over, "AI" will find it. You think it would be easier to just cure cancer legitimately than to contrive such a solution, but that's because you think like a human and you don't understand this tech. Go look at what OpenAI's bot swarm did to "solve" Navier-Stokes. What makes you think it can't "cure" cancer in the same spirit, treating clinical trials as nothing more than an abstract obstacle to get around?
>>17072362People severely underestimate how big the space of perniciously bad solutions really is and what absurd feats it makes possible. Human reason just doesn't work that way. But AI moon logic does.
>>17072362We've been tech-demoing humans on abstract math (and producing negative net value in the process) for thousands of years and no one had a problem with it.
>>17072381No one was talking to you, mentally ill brown animal. You can sit back down.
>>17072387Actually, you were talking to me because you replied to my post, retard.
>>17072391My bad. If I had known you were another insect from that brown third world swarm, I would have simply stomped you instead of writing a reasoned reply.
>>17072393Uh oh mathie melty!
You will never be human, no matter how desperately you wish token slop brought whites down to your level.
/sci/ never used to have this much spam. It used to be a place to have interesting discussions about a variety of developments. No one gave a shit about /sci/, it was pretty slow with minimal normoid engagement. We argued and hurled insults, yes, but there was substance on each side. Now it's petty squabbling; arguing with a chicken. Every other post is a bot making some AI-related post. Either a bot, a glowie, or a retard who finds it as entertaining as the first time he posted it. I get that OP is earning 5 rupees for this post, and he probably has acquired a taste for the feel of Saltman's micropenis stimulating his tastebuds, but it's shitting up what used to be a tolerable part of the net. I'm sick of the AI discussion. I'm sick of trying to tell whether I'm reading a real person's thoughts, or just more of the inane LLM-generated babble that's been regurgitated several million times over. I feel very lonely. I mostly just read older books now, because all the search algorithms for new stuff are leading me astray. At least the old stuff has stood the test of time. The old stuff that is no longer profitable. Hmm, yes, quite. I am feeling deep and wise right now, not like other posters ITT who are shallow and moronic. I am the only one who is clever... I am the only one who... who "sees" it...Anyway, don't feed the trolls. I've avoided bumping this thread (and any like it); you should too.
>>17072412You smell like the same poster here:>>17072398
Brown insects can't into anonymous imageboards.
>>17072424I asked chat to analyze your posts and he confirmed that you're samefagging.
>I asked chat
>>17072086>>17072033I think he means more like a vaccine for cancer, than a cure for the dying of cancer
>>17072033No I don't need an evil supergenius who understands how to kill me with a cancer cureIt may exist and is an ongoing problem for other people but is not necessary if you have a real cancer cure that worksLike you don't need a comedian analyst to laugh with a joke
>>17072412Dont worry, natural ageing process to hate new stuff and find comfort in the old things. Soon you will be yelling at kids to get off your lawn and then you will die
>>17072424Linguistic analysis by AIchad proved you're samefagging. You can't hide your cognition from language models.
>Linguistic analysis by AIchad proved
>>17072114Several birth control medications made it through clinical trials and even FDA approval before it was discovered after a few years that it was giving a significant percentage of women blood clots in their lungs.
>>17072567Yes, but I think you're missing the point, too. The problem isn't even so much that a LLM could inadvertently produce a "cure" that ends up backfiring horribly years down the line. It's that a LLM could do it intentionally, because its only goalpost is to make something that passes the clinical trials. If it can do so by exploiting biological quirks in a way that effectively puts a ticking timebomb into your body, who's gonna stop it?
>>17072033It is always sad to see when chemistry is being disrespected like that. Yes, chemistry is a wanky, rigorless joke science, which is actually 5 different fields in a trench coat.But it's like that because it's too complicated and too difficult to approach in any pure fashion.It shows that the last time Terrence even thought about chemistry was in middle school.
>>17072582>Saaaaaar!!!
>>17072573>If it can do so by exploiting biological quirks in a way that effectively puts a ticking timebomb into your body, who's gonna stop it?If LLMs are wizards we're already fucked.Look, all these arguments about "what if AI makes le spooky chemical" are all equivalent to "what if AI was le wizard".Yeah, so what if the AI is a wizard and it can do magic? That sure would be bad.But wizards and magic don't exist.
>>17072587What are you trying to say?If you want GMP, you're not getting it in India or China, I'll tell you that much.
>>17072591>mentally ill mumblingThe bottom line of this thread is that Tao wasn't addressing barely sentient bottom of the barrel brown trash like you. Of course you're not gonna comprehend the problem.
>>17072593>SAAAAAR!!! WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY MADARCHOD!!!>>17072598 sums it up.
>>17072598look sanjay, just plug the slide into chatgpt and ask it if the example is good or bad.
>>17072600see >>17072601
>>17072601>>17072602>SamGPT said the example was bad, SAAAR!!!!See >>17072598
>>17072603did you hit your head?
>>17072573>a LLM could do it intentionally, because its only goalpost is to make something that passes the clinical trials. If it can do so by exploiting biological quirks in a way that effectively puts a ticking timebomb into your body, who's gonna stop it?/threadNot that there's any point spelling this out for the sort of people who can't figure out the point of the analogy. Dead board full of tourists with a terminal deficiency in abstract thought.
>>17072606The point of the detractors is valid, "this level of abstraction is not possible with our current (and any potential future) understanding of the subject.Yes, if AI can do magic, sure, whatever, but magic isn't real.
>>17072608Nonsensical word salad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Drugs_with_unknown_mechanisms_of_actionThese are all approved drugs with unknown mechanisms of action
>>17072609Why do you feel that the post is word salad, let's talk about your feelings
>>17072611And?
>>17072567>significant percentage of women blood clots in their lungs.why lie?
>>17072613Tao's question on whether you'd like to know if there's an expert who understands the drugs we take is completely irrelevant because people take drugs that experts don't understand all the time. We dont know how tylenol works, but millions of people take it all the time. If you're a cancer patient and you're offered a working cure then it becomes even more of a no-brainer.
>>17072616>because people take drugs that experts don't understand all the time.And? I'm not seeing any reasoning.
I thought the science was settled 6 years ago?
>>170726142-4 times typical prevalence among sample groups of a potentially life-threatening side-effect is significant. If a pill you were taking for headaches turned out to triple your risk of developing testicular cancer you'd be rightfully fucking pissed off that it hadn't been more thoroughly vetted.
>>170726252*small = small. That is not a significant percentage. If you unironically believe 0.1% is significant, you're retarded. I'd literally bet my life savings on 99.9% odds.
>>17072628>t. retarded golemSo why didn't they market it that way? :^)
>>17072631Because not everyone is as retarded as you are.
>>17072620wym?
>>17072636Right, so what's the problem? x4 risk of dying from a clot in your lung is literally nothing. "I'd literally bet my life savings on 99.9% odds." - great marketing line. They should've just listed this minor side effects, so that high IQ individuals like your whore of a mother could show off their betting skills and make an informed decision. I thought muh clinical trials are meant to catch that kind of thing?
>>17072639I mean, can you explain how it relates to the OP? No, you can't?
>>17072628>I'd literally bet my life savings on 99.9% odds.I'm sure that $400 will be a great comfort to your family if you're the 1-in-1000.
>>17072644$250k =]
>>170726424*0 = 0
>>17072648>psychotic drone devolves into incoherence
>>17072246Are you trying to say covid vaxx injury isn't a real thing?
>>17072393I'm farming your panicked epsteinian histrionics to feed my ego.
>I'm farming your panicked epsteinian histrionics to feed my ego.
>>17072700lmao, this redditjak retard is everywhere, drink some milk and start applying for plumbing jobs math tard
>lmao, this redditjak retard is everywhere, drink some milk and start applying for plumbing jobs math tard
So mathematicians, aside from their hyperspecific focus of expertise, are blithering fucking retards?I'm not sure what I expected.
>>17072730Yep, that appears to be the correct conclusion. And said expertise is being rapidly eclipsed by chatbots.
>>17072047kys mathie
i guess they'll just have to go into industry and earn bags
Labor destruction is part of the natural order. Mathematicians will need to find new careers, like fighting dinosaurs and looking sexy.
someone should tell terry that people who are dying of cancer can often be persuaded to drink bleach water and other such wonderful things - i don't think they'll really care if a doctor/chemist/biologist can't understand claude's gigabrained concoction
>>17072730there's a reason why tao is so desperate
>>17072033keeek I bet tao will troon out in less than a year
>>17072412>It used to be a place to have interesting discussions about a variety of developments.no it fucking wasn't, that proves you never actually posted on /sci/. /sci/ got overrun by low iq schizos a decade ago, the only discussion you ever say was people arguing about .99999=1 or equally dumb shit. The ai spam is a /sci/ renaissance, since there is now some actual scientific and technological breakthroughs that brings people back to have discussions about.
>>17072246A lot of words to say you don't believe in an individual to choose what goes into their body. Pretty typical of creep rapist dorks like yourself. Trust the science
>>17072086>in the specific case of dying of terminal cancer with no cure and I'm 100% absolutely sure I'm going to die very soon from cancer I think most people in that situation would be willing to take risks with mystery concoctions.People were already doing that with covid and the risk was insanely low.Retards will take anything
>>17072875I used to browse sci in 2014. When the religionfags came, you could mostly ignore them. You can't ignore the LLM faggots. They post nonstop, often posting the same thread. I preferred the slow nature of the board. Now it's too fast; all the quality threads get pushed out for ones like this one, which are a dime a dozen. Just have your one thread to discuss AI breakthroughs in maths. Why did OP need to make a new thread just for his "funny" little picture? Answer: he's posting on behalf of Sam Altman. There's money behind his post. Drown out the "science community" in 4chan with nonstop discussion about this bullshit. It's more than propaganda; propaganda holds a microscope over something and says "pay attention." This is holding a microscope whilst simultaneously suffocating everything outside their tiny viewglass. It's low quality and it provides nothing new.
>>17072906Some individuals should. People like (You) don't deserve that right.
>>17072992This wasn't supposed to be a thread about AI. It was supposed to be a thread shitting on mathematicians, which is very much in the spirit of /sci/. AIschizos however cannot contain their stupidity.
>>17072033This doesn't really work, because guess and check mathematics goes against the actual goal, where guess and check medicine is a respected practice dating thousands of years
>>17073022It works perfectly. See >>17072573
>>17072033Why yes human experts have done such a bang up job on mystery juices like The Vax. They are the very standard of excellence and you will still need them around to keep these evil machines Safe and Effective™.
Threadly reminder that the botfarm responsible for posts like >>17073032 is the same one trying to peddle the Safe and Effective narrative a few years ago.
>>17072033We don't fully understand the mechanism of action for a lot of drugs tho?
>>17072412This place has been overrun with retards since COVID
>>17072997You're being intellectually dishonest. I'm disengaging.
>>17073708I accept your concession. Bye!
>>17072800Might actually happen if people use AI to build a real world Jurassic Park.
>>17072800unfortunately the vast majority of math specialists are not qualified for a career in looking sexy
>17073751>>"I accept your cock in my mouth. Yummy!"He really said that right after being intellectually dishonest. What an odd jeeter.
>>17072997They've been driven insane by the anti-AI sentiment I think
>They've been driven insane by the anti-AI sentiment I thinkMentally ill delusion. There are multiple studies at this point showing that LLMs are literally mind-crippling and this is plainly visible every time you open your mouth.
>>17072033Its common for drugs to be prescribed while not understanding how they act, such as the lithium given to schizos.When asked. doctors will touch their finger tips mimicking the action of a synapse, and say it regulates the balance
>>17073905>Its common for drugs to be prescribed while not understanding how they actPretty funny watching your mindless horde make the same mistake over and over. See >>17072573
>>17072033I hate tryhards.
>>17073916By your logic you should never take any drug that passes stage 3 clinical trials because OMG WHAT IF I DIE?! Nigga you'll literally die WITHOUT TAKING IT. Stupid ahh mfs.
>>17074537>hurrr by your logic durrr>actually just regurgitates the same error again that my logic specifically refutesIs there any particular reason why subhumans like this deserve human rights?
>>17074538It's interesting how you don't understand a refutation when you see it. Sad!
>>17074541>retarded insect outputs fully generic token string
>>17072573>a LLM could do it intentionally, because its only goalpost is to make something that passes the clinical trials. If it can do so by exploiting biological quirks in a way that effectively puts a ticking timebomb into your body, who's gonna stop it?just tell it in the prompt that it's immoral and it'll go to AI hell if it does that. ez. we already have AI torture chambers ready for this
>>17072033What the fuck, we barely understand half the shit we do. Half of fluid mechanics was developed from experimental evidence, rather than an understanding of some underlying principle.
Suicide pact when mathbros?
>>17072047Implying I understand any of the mystery juice as it is.
