this job market has me questioning my entire self worth and whether I should just an hero myself

>>17079084
You truly should if it is a matter of pride for you to not enter those paths which return to farming

>>17079095
Like shipbuilding?

Question for all the people living in civilised countries: why don't you just join a trade? Trade seems to pay well enough, it's stable, unlikely to be automated any time soon and not sedentary. If I were living in the west, I'd totally become an electrician or a welder or something.
t. jeet math grad

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Got my first job in EE designing substations

If my autistic ass is employed you can be too

are patents worth anything if you are a newgrad? Should I write it down in my CV?

You know what? I am glad AI destroyed programming. Now if I need to use some numerical package I don't have to spend hours going through documentation and setting up tests and wait days for response on forums. If some faggot decided to make API overly complicated because of his autism or whatever, it stopped being my problem.

Achievement unlocked: Quit your job in the first week.

Swag.

>>17079336
yes and yes

>based
Mathematics
Physics
Analytic Philosophy
Classics

>cringe
Economics
Business administration
Law

>tolerable
Engineering
Architecture

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>>17079418
>Philosophy under based
>Law under cringe

>>17079418
Cool list from 10+ years ago jeez

Not a regular in these threads, seems like it's mostly crying about the state of things (understandable) but how come I never see anyone mention mining engineering?

If you live in US/CA/AUS it seems like a good way to make a lot of money if you can handle the lifestyle of being in isolated places (which scientific autists here should be attracted to?). Later in your career there seems to be opportunities to go into mining consulting or finance, which might look like a more "typical" role in an urban center.

When I went to uni I hadn't even heard of it.

>>17079440
Because all of us have already made our beds. The average age here is like 30 years old with a combined years of experience of about 5.

>>17079317
dewing whut?

>>17079418
Is this categorization by how well AI does them?

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>>17079451
>The average age here is like 30 years old

74% are under 30 and around half are 25 or under

>>17079555
I doubt /sci/ is that retarded to put their actual age

I solved all of math. What career path do you recommend?

>>17079555
>tfw 37 but look like I am 17
What should I put in?

>>17079555
74% are vain lying rapidly ageing millenials

>>17079461
Client wants to add a connection to the grid - I design it around a bunch of constraints - civil engineers build it if my boss is happy my design won't kill anybody

5 or so years of that and I can go for chartership and hopefully never have to worry about job security again

>>17079583
Patent lawyer.

>>17079583
Get a tattoo and start applying to PhDs

>>17079746
Don't even get me started. I honestly want to apologise to the european patent attorney guy because I am no seriously considering this as a career. I take it all back. It's real and its possibly happening to me.

>>17079178
because being a tradie means working long hours in shitty conditions
spending 8 hours in an air conditioned office where you have to listen to stupid coworkers is still preferable because you know your day ends when the clock hits a certain hour, not until the job is finished
I spent some time as a roofer and found the schedule too hectic to have a life outside of work
everyone I knew in roofing who had kids was hard pushing them not to enter the trades
anyway that's why we stemfag

>>17079336
Definitely, >>17079402 is correct.
You can also add these to your LinkedIn profile.

>>17079418
>Mathematics
Advanced unemployability that is only getting worse.
>Physics
Correct.
>Analytic Philosophy
Greek detected.
>Classics
Only if you want to be a British civil servant.

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what did we think of this?

>>17079909
>because being a tradie means working long hours
You choose your own hours.
>in shitty conditions
Only in certain ones, and they are not "shitty conditions". They are manly high-T conditions. Have you considered transitioning?

>>17080120
>You choose your own hours.
Only if you have your own business. Which is the higher risk/higher reward path in general but it is not for everyone.

>Only in certain ones, and they are not "shitty conditions". They are manly high-T conditions. Have you considered transitioning?
All well and good in your 20s, your 50s it's a different story. Which ties to the next point, wage growth and career development are where the white-collar jobs are generally better.

>>17079959
I think this guy lives in fuckin lala land

I had a interview at a semi conductor company first interview over zoom they didn't ask me any technical details just my cv and what I did. Should I expect more of the same in the in person interview? I asked them before and they said only a couple questions but still want 2h for this.

>>17079909
I talking about right now. Steamfaggery seems to be a dead end now except if you're doing some heavy field work like civil or power engineering.

>>17080214
I got asked literally zero technical questions for my current job.

>>17080306
so its normal? I never had second interview before so idk whats standard. People always told me code test etc. was standard. Its for a test engineer position and I do have a degree so maybe they assume I am not lying....

>>17080313
It is standard for swe and consulting.

>>17080214
This is probably just the hr screening where the roastie/chadlet make a mental inventory of all your weird mannerisms and physical shortcomings. Don't worry about it.

>>17080336
no I already had a round with HR and they just nodded along this time its just the VP(?) of the group and the product manager.

>>17080348
i cant fucking get anything right why do i even go on

If it is an entry level engineering job they just assume you are retarded and that they will have to teach you. The ask you behavioural questions to see if you can be taught and can work in a group.

>started to sense "crab in a bucket" mentality in our company due to ai layoffs
i am so tired bros...

>>17080437
I have been at such companies. There were also suicides. Gross mismanagement later killed the company.
The only senible thing to do is to polish your CV/resume/LinkedIn profile and prepare for a job change.

>>17080449
I refuse to believe people actually watch AI-generated videos...

>>17080513
Malfoid anime.

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>>17080513
my boomer father vegges out in his lean back chair surfing ai revenge videos all day long on youtube he is a neoliberal and his favorites seem to be a woman who was prevented from advancement by men in the military in business or family holding her back but she always finds a way to win and get all of the money and the jobs in the end my old boomer dad is dumping views into every si slop leftoid revenge porn video that was prompted into existence and so the jeets prompt out more

which to choose?
> 52k job at litho company adjusting mirrors and working with lasers. Long commute but in 2-3 years I could land something at a big player like ASML
> 65k at insurance company writing RPA stuff. 4 days remote mostly move around banks and consulting no more physics
? Doing a phd would also be a option I guess but I hate how much time I waste there. Also I keep getting rejected from service technician jobs why....

>>17080715
I'd do anything to work in semiconductors related, and everything to not work in any "business" "finance" etc related.

>>17080722
why?

It's not ok what's been done to me.

>>17080715
>rejected from service technician jobs why....
because phds do technician work now

>>17080723
Do the second type of job and you'll know why.

>>17080715
Go for the litho work. The insurance job is just waiting to be automated by AI.
Also try to get the litho company to pay for your PhD. Some countries have special programs for people doing a PhD while in industry.

>>17080740
Yes, at the cutting edge that is true. Many, if not all TSMC technicians have a PhD.

The mass firings will continue until morale improves:
>Microsoft to Trim Workforce With Buyout Offers for 60,000 Staff
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-10-26/microsoft-to-offer-buyouts-to-60-000-workers-in-latest-cost-cut
>Microsoft will offer buyouts to about 60,000 workers, part of the company’s efforts to trim costs and retool its workforce for the artificial intelligence era.

Hospital offered zero flexibility. I'm gonna keep contracting and just start my infectious disease research masters.

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Anyone was AI-hesitant but then just kinda gave up on ideals and now slops it up like everyone else? I was justifying it with
>you have to handhold and check it so thoroughly it's faster to do the work myself
but now I can't find an argument anymore.

>>17080946
I just use AI as a junior assistant. I do the work but get an AI to review the works but never to draft or correct anything. No doubt it will get better but so far I want to avoid needless risks.

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Roblox or nuclear weapons?

>>17080997
Do you even have a programming job? Were you ever a Junior assistant? Did you ever have one working for you?
>>17080946
There is a pretty simple line: the companies with endless compute still have major bugs that last forever on their trackers. This is a blatant contradiction on proposed capability.
Think about any force multiplier claim, because they should be running well over the entire intellectual power of the entire nation.
If they are right, then they are mouth breathers.

>>17079084
Same. If I don't get something good, I'm just going to NEET lmao

>>17081000
Lmao (nuclear weapons)

>>17080855
>Many, if not all TSMC technicians have a PhD.
Why though? TSMC doesn't design chips right? They just get the blueprint and then put it in the CPU printer. Why isn't it a trade?

>>17080153
>All well and good in your 20s, your 50s it's a different story.
most are lucky to even reach 30-35 without chronic health problems from most any trade work. Shit is generally not if (but when) you will have an accident of some sort that gives you chronic issues (back and neck are particularly vulnerable)

>>17079178
None of what you said is true https://asteriskmag.com/issues/15/so-you-think-you-could-be-an-electrician
The high paying trade jobs are just as selective and even more reliant on personal connections than high paying STEM jobs, most of them pay terribly with no hope of breaking into a better career. They're unstable because of high injury rates and the enormous financial risk if you own your own business. A lot of work involves being stuck in awkward positions or performing repetive notions for hours which ends up being worse physically than being sedentary. Entire classes of trade jobs have already been automated away.

>>17081338
>enormous financial risk if you own your own business
Cannot be overstated. There is so much regulation on trades in the west that a single fuck up can financially destroy you. Only big corpos can handle it.

>>17081338
You can feed yt people with a silver spoon and they'll still find some thing to complain about.

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Oh yeah, optics is a great career this side of the pond

>>17081005
>Do you even have a programming job?
Not anymore, these days I am a consultant. We too see AI will change our work dramatically. I cannot remember the last time we hired anyone. Fired, sure, plenty.
>Were you ever a Junior assistant?
Sure, or a trainee as it is called in this line of work.
>Did you ever have one working for you?
Yes, several, but not anymore.

>>17081484
Errrr, would that happen to be Quantum Design Oxford?

>>17081516
This was just from a post I saw on LinkedIn by some recruiter, did not specify companies.

Point being, these roles are presumably looking for PhD + some years of experience in supposedly hot topics and they pay £50k.

>>17081522
Grim.

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>>17081484
what the fuck is this pay?

>>17081562
Welcome to tech salaries in UK and Europe, may it continue to amuse you.

Fucking decade of qualifications to get paid as much as a fast food wagie in a major US city, with higher taxes and comparable living costs.

>>17081522
>did not specify companies.
Huge red flag. Oxford Instruments that later changed into Quantum Design Oxford, had a bad reputation for decades. I would expect them to pay peanuts.
I would have gone for an interview, demanded twice the salary, knowing full well they would never accept it, and then I would have followed the advice in the FAQ: get out of the UK.

>>17081552
They are well known for more than just poverty grade salaries.

you are talking as if photonics was ever a lucrative career

>>17081591
but they get free uni and free healthcare and can be neet very easily if so desired

>>17081755
>free uni
>free healthcare
LOL. LMAO even.

Anyone here actually buy a premium AI subscription? Considering getting Claude Pro
>2nd year phd in energy
>doing some plasma fixation stuff
>have to wait a month or two for repairs to our lab
>consult with PI about what to do in the meantime
>bring up doing some 0D simulation work
>"it's not my specialty but you can do it in the meantime, can't hurt"
>have zero experience, but using llms I manage to replicate the examples on the website
>moving on to applying my own use cases
>hit the limit every time before I finish debugging or get a successful run

>>17081935
>using an LLM without knowing the subject

>>17081822
reddit retort

>>17081935
What sort of jeet university are you in that they don't provide you with a max subscription?

>>17081935
I have switched between GPT and Claude over the last year as the companies leapfrog each other.

If you use it for actual work it can pay for itself pretty quickly. I have simple coding/electronics and, recently, CAD stuff that I throw its way. Then I do other work while Claude figures it out. It's boilerplate stuff but that is what it pretty reliably does okay.

Beyond a certain level of complexity it begins to fuck up. For small, defined tasks it works fine. Ideally you know enough about what it is doing to make modifications and adjustments to get the final 20% right.

Vibe coding a whole project and using it for things to build upon long-term is creating a slop grenade. It will work okay until it doesn't work at all and then unfucking it is more work than doing it yourself to begin with.

If both 1) the task is large and 2) you have no experience in the area, I would say it is likely to end up badly.

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I cannot get over that italians unironically wear literal laurels at graduation

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>>17082078
In Funland you get a hat and a sword after a PhD

In the UK you get reduced to "bare life" and treated with a subhuman level of dignity, or lack thereof, after a PhD.

>>17082154
I left the UK just weeks after completing my PhD. I returned once for a conference.

>>17082207
You are a genius

>>17082214
More of a survivalist.

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This is a real LinkedIn profile that I translated to English from Swedish. This guy is employed and some of you are not. What is your excuse?

>>17082387
my cv is only
> 2012-2026 bachelor of science physics
I don't have anything else.

>>17082416
It took you 14 years for your Bachelor? Why?

>>17082421
no clue myself I even did fairly well in my course but it took a long time for me to join a group and do my thesis.

>>17082424
You just procrastinated for 14 years? Damn

I have been getting raped and let down badly for the last 14 years. Everything has gone wrong and I tried so hard. Everyone who told me that my "russell group" math degree was a good idea deserves to rot in hell. I have suffered beyond all reason.

>>17082425
so does this count as a excuse?

>>17082480
Yes, but if you spend 14 years procrastinating you are likely mentally ill

>>17082557
Would you ever shut up man

Mate I'll have you on Mumsnet getting transvestigated in five seconds if you don't pipe down

>>17081513
This shit is cartoonishly unsustainable. Literally african tier consumption of infrastructure for short term gain. Whichever megacorp first adopts cult strategies and trains desperate newgradcels will inherit the future once the current crop of senior employees retire and/or die off and there's no one to replace them.

Or AI becomes good enough to replace them too and forever breaks the ladder of social mobility. Either way it's fucked

Yeah good for you you fuckin faggot got a nice job on linkendin there huh piece of shit

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on the other hand, i could leverage my talents to bring about the palestinian glasser 3000

>>17082773
I'll put your speccy little head under a brick if you take this job

Programming since age 11 on Linux, before the twin towers fell.
Mech engineering degree.
Software engineering degree.
Internships all the way through uni.
Tons of programming and cybersec certs. Never failed a cert test.
I'm almost 40 and never had $2,000 at any time in my life.
Fuck 'em, I didn't wanna go to heaven anyway.

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Lol. Lmao.

>>17082699
It'll take 20y for current seniors to retire. They will reach Immensely Hyper Advanced SI by that time.

>>17078904
I got a job, later virgins

>>17082801
If that happens it's just over for peasants. The only question remaining is whether the new landed gentry manages to ride the singularity-tiger or it devours them too.

>>17082832
see you in 9 months

>>17082952
sounds good, I'll be making 6 figs soon and be fucking your mom by then. Hopefully she's sexy as fuck and has big titties

did the in person interview for the test engineer position zero technical questions which was quite surprising. Also they are kinda low balling me and I just accepted it. Is that stupid? Should I negotiate more? There is only the contract left.

>>17082699
>This shit is cartoonishly unsustainable.
I know. And I have told management of my concerns about the future.
>Literally african tier consumption of infrastructure for short term gain.
Training juniors is expensive and management prefers to leave that to others. Problem is, our competitors think the same. It is fairly obvious where this is heading.
>Whichever megacorp first adopts cult strategies and trains desperate newgradcels will inherit the future once the current crop of senior employees retire and/or die off and there's no one to replace them.
When we reach the point when people pay to be trained, we will already be in deep trouble.

>>17082801
>It'll take 20y for current seniors to retire
No. My youngst colleagues are about 40. About a third of my colleagues are 60+. Many could retire any time, and they will probably not be replaced.
Après moi, le déluge.

>>17082773
Israeli universities are surprisingly badly rated:
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/latest/world-ranking
The best one is in Tel Aviv and that city is supposed to be secular and western in style and also a popular target with Iran. What could go wrong?

>>17082787
They will probably have no problems filling both positions. Not sure about The Glasser 3000 though.

>>17083154
The world is full of evil people sure

>>17083166
Not really. People are unironically just retarded and mentally ill.

>>17083174
I wish I could still believe this

Man where they fuck did all the entry level jobs go

where have all the juniors gone
long time passing
where have all the juniors gone
long time ago
where have all the juniors gone
clankers killed them every one
when will they ever learn
when will they ever learn

>>17083312
i will rape you

sorry i dont know why i said that i saw some asshole write one of those self-congratulatory "i got a job at a frontier lab and this is what i learned" blog posts and when i looked he was a princeton grad and had 1 squintillion internships and got my government to spend my hard earned tax pounds on burnishing his fucking chinless resume and i lost it i fucking lost it sorry

>>17083407
>i saw some asshole write one of those self-congratulatory "i got a job at a frontier lab and this is what i learned" blog posts

i assume this is LinkedIn, if so
>check my toilet after shidding
>see poopoo and peepee
>seethe

What are good textbooks on electronics and circuit analysis?

>>17083465
Yeah but sometimes you might find a shitty job amidst all the shit

>>17083589
sometimes i find a piece of sweetcorn in the turds

>>17081755
A British postdoc postion pays as much as a burger flipper in the UK. The difference is that one of the has massive student debt.

>>17083963
>The difference is that one of the has massive student debt.
no they don't, uni is free in the UK

>>17083522
>textbooks on electronics
The Art of Electronics, by Horowitz and Hill. It has been a staple recommendation for decades.

>>17083969
>We are a non-profit making government-owned organisation that administers loans and grants to students in colleges and universities in the UK.

>>17083972
I worked in the same place as Win Hill for a while. On the few occasions we spoke I felt like an absolute moronic reptile.

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>>17083522
jokes aside AARL or TAoE or Practical Electronics are good starting points.

>>17083963
The years you spent in a university not getting paid are equivalent to debt

>>17083969
>uni is free in the UK
No, it isn't, unless you live in Scotland and go to a Scottish uni. However, our student loans system is very forgiving, especially compared to the American student loans system which is even worse than just a regular bank loan.

electronica+Semicon soon. Will try to look for an entry level dev job there in person. Wish me luck!

>>17083522
How much do you wanna analyze? Check out Grob's Basic Electronics.

Uni is free in the us too if you know what you are doing

British students leave university with more debt on average than American universities due to the fact all degrees cost 9k and change in the UK and American has heterogenous cost and a whole scholarship system which largely doesn't exist in the UK.

If you have never eaten chip butties for more than one meal a week you have NO place speaking on life in this rahtid Babylon hellhole. Come take a walk with me in the west riding of Yorkshire and then see how you feel about it mate

It feels good to live in a country with 100% ""free"" higher education.

Third year applying to PhDs in biomed in UK and across Europe.

I did my BSc and MSc in the UK with a background in molecular cell biology but have now shifted towards bioinformatics.
Admittedly, this shift did change my research interests, mainly because my shithole country (not India), has a pretty mediocre research environment, so I had to adapt to what's available on the market. I also was initially hesitant to continue pursuing research on my master's topic, so I wanted to explore other options. I tried working in academia and was fortunate to work in one of the best labs in the country - as others have called it - but the environment was an exact manifestation of stereotypes of the university culture, education system, and work culture I've always heard about.

It feels quite impossible to get a funded PhD position without knowing the PI or institute personally. Although, some PhD programmes in the UK do seem to recruit on a double-blinded basis; many seem to recruit students from the hosting institute (e.g., Cambridge DTP accepts Cambridge grads) regardless. Granted, I am not applying as a "home" student, and I did not go to OxBridge/London, so I feel the odds are even higher. I am trying to build connections by attending conferences abroad just so I can have a chance of meeting potential PIs. I pay these out of my own pocket.

I know I am being thrown out into the real world, having spent all my life studying, and it's been a wild ride. But I feel it's been amplified by the culture - stepping on others and taking credit; pushing responsibilities on others; lack of vision; lack of passion. Everyone's doing the bare minimum and work moves at a snail's pace. My salary barely covers the cost of living. It's exhausting. I feel like I'm wasting away.

Happy to hear any thoughts and thanks for reading.

>>17084721
Are you brazilian or eastern european?

>>17084721
>Third year applying to PhDs
It is over.

>>17084788
Its fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked
UK National w/ a BSc for 2 years, only managed to work 3 months
Plus the Equality Act makes me a landmine hire lol

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Do I need to learn AI? I'm not against it or anything like that, I'm just worried about wasting time on a fad

>>17084721
Apologies, but you're a bit dense and you don't even recognise it. Academia and research is a winner-take-all, up-or-out business. Starting a PostDoc you have to make the choice whether you have received enough signals that you might become a superstar. Before that a PhD is a job thats barely worth it if you're loving science and a cosy well funded position. Slaving away to make it into the scouting trials of science is nonsensical. You wont make it simply due to the fact that 99% of promising recognized talent wont make it, and they basically stumbled into the trial period. The negative signalling you already received means your academically dead.

Dont mean to be mean, but you squandered basically the last three years of humanity where you could have rolled into software consulting, only to find yourself in the junior Apocalyps. Stop ruining your life through delusion. If you believe you have the competence to make it in academia from your horrendenous position, you will have the competency to make basically any other career worthwhile.

>>17084852
No need to learn anything. Even a chimp can prompt claude and claude can do anything knowledge-related, just for a few bucks a month.

>>17084854
Hey now

>>17084854

First paragraph is brvtal but I agree with it entirely.

Second paragraph not so sure but whatever.

>>17084852
What do you mean by learning AI? Do you mean learning to use LLM tools, which as anon says are meant to cater to the smoothest of brains, or to get into the actual nuts and bolts of how these things are put together and applied?

>>17084872
>Do you mean learning to use LLM tools
Yeah that's it. Mostly the best practices, what do do and not to do and how to avoid common mistakes

>>17084883
>"claude give tips on how to use you"

>>17084852
The funny thing about learning AI is that the most important things you can learn (prompt engineering, setting constraints, multi agent workflows) can either be accomplished by AI, or an AI can walk you through how to do it.
I will give you my Clanker Control Manual so you can start learning multi agent workflows.
Use the Clanker Control Manual to construct a meta-agent systems architect, and for building the other agents. Ask an AI about:
>idempotency and failure state pass
>strict serialization & schema enforcement
>context window optimization & state pruning
>adversarial hardening of red team agent
>deterministic reality check (code execution)
>Token Budgets & Recursive Loop Protection
>Section 7: The Data Provenance Log (The Audit Trail)
Blueprint:
── 1. COMPARTMENTALIZATION STRATEGY (Context Air-gapping)
── 2. AGENT ROSTER & STRICT BOUNDARIES (Role isolation & Pydantic JSON schemas)
── 3. ADVERSARIAL GATEKEEPER LOGIC (Skeptical Red-Teaming)
── 4. ASSEMBLY & STATE MUTATION CHAIN (Context window pruning & token optimization)
── 5. DETERMINISTIC RUNTIME ENVIRONMENTS (Sandboxed code execution triggers)
── 6. EXCEPTION HANDLING & CIRCUIT BREAKERS (Anti-recursion & token budgeting)
── 7. AUDIT TRAIL & DATA PROVENANCE (Traceable metadata stamping)
Ask an AI to design a meta-agent systems architect architect:
1. COMPARTMENTALIZATION STRATEGY: Explain why the context needs to be split.
2. AGENT ROSTER:
- [Agent Name]: What specific, narrow slice of data or logic this agent owns.
- [Strict Boundary]: What this agent is explicitly FORBIDDEN from seeing or knowing.
- [Input/Output Schema]: The exact data format this agent takes and returns.
3. THE GATEKEEPER / RED TEAM AGENT: Define an independent agent whose only job is to cross-examine the outputs of the worker agents for logical leaps or context bleeding.
4. ASSEMBLY LOGIC: The step-by-step sequence of how these agents pass data to each other.

>>17084854
>Stop ruining your life through delusion.
Grim

>>17084854
Thanks, I appreciate your comment.
I'll reconsider my options again after this application cycle ends.

>>17084779
Neither.

>>17084843
Better than no work. But yeah, 3 months of experience doesn't quite cut it these days, unless you're doing something exceptional.

What are some realistic career paths for somebody with a math phd and approaching 40 rapidly?

>>17081562
High salaries in the UK lol
Most Brits are barely getting £34K

>>17083969
>uni is free in the UK
lol if only that were the case

>>17084721
At this point, look towards south east asia institutions. Europe PhDs are not for you lil bro.

Why the fuck did I try for academia? The only worse idea would have been to be a pro athlete.

Imagine a general wide Christmas party. The amazing foods... Fantastic wine... Scintillating conversation...

>>17085362
I don't want to spend time around mentally ill jeets.

>>17085363
My melanated friend I put myself through three STEM degrees, early career academia and now shitty STEM industry work, my entire existence has been around mentally ill jeets.

>>17085374
"How do you know I am a mentally ill jeet?" asked Alice.

>>17085363
It's a white party

someone help the cat!

>>17085374
Is there a non-shitty industry work? I heard startups can be fun if you like learning new things but they quickly fall in the
>writing reports for other reports
>meeting to arrange another meeting
>3 layers of management
>no direct interaction between teams, all goes through the managers
administrative bullshit too. Siloing too so learning is also out.

>>17085581
Its too late for her. Save yourself. Do not study STEM under any circumstances.

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How do you guys cope with finding mistakes only after generating and using the results?

>>17085877
Fix the mistake.
Rerun the analysis.
Do everything possible to explain why the impact of the original mistake doesn't matter and doesn't change my previous conclusions.

>>17085634
So I have
>no written reports
>meetings generally only when I call them
>report directly to CTO
>nobody gives two shits about what I do and when as long as work gets done

Academia levels of freedom but I don't need to publish. The major downside is academia levels of pay, I made more as a postdoc. The other downside is this ship is probably going down but I'll play violin on the deck I guess.

>>17085374
>three STEM degrees
Why??

>>17085711
Maths has cratered but science, technology, and engineering are good.

>>17085954
>Maths has cratered but science, technology, and engineering are good.

Everyone knows Claude does coding better than juniors but recently it has become able to do other engineering tasks like basic CAD and electronics/PCB designs. It will imminently begin to eat the lunch of engineering juniors too. Meanwhile lab automation is something the likes of Google DeepMind for example are investing into. So maybe STEM outside of programming has not been hit as hard yet but it's coming.

>>17085957
CAD, PCB layout, circuit design etc. still relies on good specifications. I am not sure AI is there yet. It is safer to use AI as a junior, simpler tasks, and verification. That can still save a lot of work and doing this saves me a lot of work and time and also improves quality. This way I still maintain my edge.

Instead of doing something foolish like trying to be a scientist or engineer I should have been sensible and worked on my stand up comedy and trying to be a menswear Instagram influencer.

Is there any point in getting a masters in EE if you want to work in power? I'm in an accelerated program so I could do it in 2 semesters after finishing my BS although I don't want to do it because I hate being in college and just want to move on to the real world as soon as possible, though at the same time I have no internships and am pretty worried about not finding a job after college.

What is it like to be a research engineer at a university? Is it worth the shitty pay?

>>17086402
Depends on what that job means at your university. At my university that job title was basically for people they wanted to keep around for teaching that did not have a PhD. No research. No engineering. A lot of teaching.

>>17086405
I meant moreso a permanent staff on some lab

>>17086446
>permanent staff
The janitor? Nobody working at universities have permanent positions lad.

>>17086454
>Research Engineer (Sanitation) | Tenured @ MIT | I guide Founders on their lavatorial journey

>>17086454
There's an instrumentation lab at my university with research engineers who has been working there since the early 90s that gave me an offer but the pay is pretty bad (72k). They collaborate with CERN and make particle physics detectors which is pretty cool thoughever

The AI bubble is bursting. Our thoughts gentlemen?

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>>17086692
I'm pretty sure these people are grant to grant like everyone else in academia.

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>>17086714
Not a bubble burst just shortterm dip which they always recover from. They are getting new bag holders in old ones are realizing their profits etc.

>>17086749
So we still have to wait?

>>17086714
We'll still be unemployed or at best get sweatshop-level pay prompting AI

>>17086750
yes
2008 crisis should have taught you that the finance industry can stay unprofitable for a very long time.

>>17084854
I'm around my 3-4 semester in a Computer Engineering program and pretty much gave up on this whole delusion of post-grad research and work. Did some small research work for the local lab. What I see, even on the graduate level, is a bunch of students lying their way to get recognized without any substantial research. I'm not saying the entire market is bad, there are bunch of tech nerds who are still good joes and can spot good people applying, but the amount of bonafide liars is amazing, holy fuck. Not to mention the whole social dynamics is also kind of fucked in this generation.

Someone spoke about the tradies, I've heard this on an aussie forum and I can definitely relate. Doing a CE degree in southern brazil, but I would jump the fence with a working holiday visa to try something. I mean, if I am desperate enough, but I guess you can still leverage the degree to work in some construction or energy related field.

service
technicians
electricians (hvac included)
medics

use this unless unemployment is your goal

>>17079440
I've hard that about Mining Engineering and something called FIFO Work? Was on an aussie thread as well. Can you do a masters on it? But you gotta travel a lot

Is anyone else's company swirling the drain while management thinks that novel AI techniques will save the day? I'm truly impressed by the levels of delusion and apathy I get to see and wondering how widespread this is.

>>17086848
Dunno, I see everyone doing work with AI, reporting using AI, making presentations using AI and summarizing bloated AI-generated reports using AI. Looks like it's working fine.

>>17085983
You don't need a masters for power work. Everything you need you'll be expected to learn on the job, but it can help you get ahead in the current job market.

I'd keep it as a backup plan if you can't find a job before you'd start the final year

>>17086714
>The AI bubble is bursting.
Unlikely. Every month, the AI quality improves noticably. And we haven't reached any ceiling yet.
I just lost a client who vibemaxxed their setup, using AI for shop, accounting and integration of it all. It even discovered that the previous (human) accountant had made mistakes and then corrected everything. Everything now matches to the penny. Queries deliver instanr results. And they no longer need me.

>>17086749
When will AI enshittification start when we will have to start paying 2,000 a month for the newest models

>>17086948
I don't mean that, that's fine. I mean betting the farm on "we don't really understand our process, let's have AI figure it out."

>>17087043
Shut the fuck up

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idk if people remember my shitty cv from before but I finally got a offer. Took me ~7 months of searching and 40 applications. So not all hope is lost even a decade and half wasted on pursuing a degree can land in a job. Idk if its going to be comfy but it sounds cool its in the same field so working on custom solutions for kryo applications but the pay (54k€) is somewhat below what I consider normal. I hope 2-3 years of this slave work and I can get a normal paying job at a national lab.

>>17087325
Well done!

54 k€ in Europe is about as good a salary as you could hope for with a physics MSc in my experience. I don't know what national labs you're looking at but the ones where I am pay basically postdoc salaries and those positions usually require a PhD.

I have a similar salary at Saab with my PhD.

>>17087401
government labs like fraunhofer and co. pay 58k+3k christmas bonus. A trainee position at a normal mid sized office corp will yield 60k and thats really dumb work I have seen it too many times how laughable their workload is and how they complain. Well I guess we have our pride...

I have not read the entire thread, and this is kind of off topic, but has anyone else's parents fucked them over for trying to pursue a stem degree? I should have graduated this last spring but due to factors outside of my control I still have over half of my degree left. I just got my first proper engineering coop job a few months back which I will be working at for a little over a year to save up money and my parents are pretty much only concerned with when I'm gonna leave this job. Makes no sense.

My parents aggressively tried to get me to either go into the liberal arts or the trades, despite both of them having very well paying stem degrees. When I told them I planned on going into engineering they seemed to be disappointed.

>>17087478
Why? What's their logic? Its usually the opposite

>>17087497

They have never really given me a concrete answer for why they did not want me to go into stem, they did mention a few times that liberal arts would be a profession I would be more naturally gifted at, which they may be right about, but I have never had any interest in things like law and business. My grades in stem related subjects in high school were always very good but not as good as English/language arts, and as such they tailored my high school classwork around liberal arts and not stem to my constant irritation. I did receive scholarships but they were not stem related.

In regards to work, they have recently started changing their tune about me completing my degree (for a period of time they wanted me to drop out or change majors), so when I finally get an engineering coop it came right as they were willing to provide support. They were willing to either pay for my degree outright (or at least a large chunk + cosign loans) if I had gone to a different university to study law, but they have refused to even look at loans because I'm studying engineering. I am currently on my 2nd gap year.

I dont want to fuck up this thread by ranting/venting, I'm just wondering how some of you got through arguably insanely difficult degrees wither either no parental support or active hindrance.

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Speaking of shitty schooling for shitty careers... Where have all the school shooters gone?
seems like sharp drop in the number of school shootings in the last few years. Did something shift that has reduced their numbers?

>>17087505
>I dont want to fuck up this thread by ranting/venting

But this and threatening to rape people you are aquatinted with is the point of this thread?

>>17087514
what?

>>17087510
you'd just be another elliot copycat

I got my PhD in July and no one has called me doctor yet. I know we pretty much never use formal titles in the UK because we're just the most casual country on Earth, except for Australia, but I'm going to carry around £20 and hand it to the first person to call me doctor IRL.

>>17087505
Don't know how it is in your country; maybe there's a surplus of jobs in the liberal arts? Maybe lawyers earn better compared to engineers? Have you thought about that?

It sounds like they want you to have guaranteed employment when you graduate.

>>17087645
>Maybe lawyers
he's probably jewish

>>17083972
art of electronics sucks dick and its for hobbyists.

>>17083522
read fundamentals of electric circuits by sadiku then sedra/smith.

if you are too retarded for sedra smith, you should also read Fundamentals of Microelectronics by Behzad Razavi as a companion. its same material but presented a little bit easier in my opinion

>>17087517
It's for threatening to rape people and moaning about your life circumstances and debunking patent attorney lies. Is this the first time you're posting here or something?

>>17087701
>patent attorney
I haven't seen this guy in a while. Anyone knows if he's coming to the Christmas party?

>>17087505

>I'm just wondering how some of you got through arguably insanely difficult degrees wither either no parental support or active hindrance.
Being poor and orphaned and applying for various need and merit based scholarships meant I was able to graduate debt-free.

To be blunt it sounds like you aren't very independent and are relying on your parents to figure out your life for you. You're presumably an adult and free to make your own choices.

>>17087723
I have never experienced a moment of freedom in my life

>>17087729
And what are you planning to do to get that freedom?

>>17087733
nta but kms

>>17087733
I mean do I even have to say it at this point?

Not really a good look blaming your parents for your lack of resolve and grit.

>>17087744
Are you looking to get raped or something, victim?

>>17081755
Not true.
>>17081591
>and Europe
Nope. UK is unique in how fucked up your tax system, low pay, and high cost of life intersect. Everyone else does progressive taxes except you for example.

>>17082387
?
What's there to ask?
Guy has a tier 2 (national tier 1) phd + multiple postdocs plus US exp plus over a decade of experience.
I have over 1k citations, patents, and graduated summa in my PhD but didn't even get an interview in over 300 applications to postdoc positions. I think I applied to every single position in existence in every lab where it was relevant.
I have a couple years of exp on irrelevant shit meanwhile. There is a hard cap of 3 years to get a postdoc post-PhD and 7 years to become prof. Shit was rigged from the start as I graduated in the worst time in history for postdocs, but even then I have no clue why I haven't got any interviews. That shouldn't be possible. Nobody I ask including my prof have any clue how this is happening. There's nothing wrong with my applications either, I got them reviewed by profs who participate in these activities.

>>17087928
>What's there to ask?

I guess the career break of almost 4 years with the schizobabble about brain implants. Along with work history prior to that being mostly ~1 year stints and one employer they worked with for longer who they explicitly talk shit about.

Basically an all caps bold red letters warning signal that this guy is a drama queen at best and probably clinically insane.

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>>17078904
Healing Frequencies

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>>17087968

>>17087967
That's not at all what the profile says. Do you not know what postdocs are? Or consultancy positions? On fucking /sci/ in this specific thread? WTF?

>>17087973
>That's not at all what the profile says
"illegal brain implant" not showing up for you? WTF?????????????

Very familiar with postdocs. Multiple very short postdocs is not a sign of success.

>>17087998
But to clarify, the main issue is not the postdocs, the main issues are the nearly 4 year career break, talking about an illegal brain implant on your LinkedIn, and shit-talking your long-term employer on your LinkedIn.

>>17087998
You clearly have no idea what a postdoc even is lmao

>>17088002
I've been a postdoc, you negro

>>17088004
Very obviously not

>>17078904
How shit or not is aerospace machinist and or engineering? Say I'm a good boy who can get his permission slips to work at defense companies. Is it a hot market?

My job was great until one day for lunch they served me CURRY. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!?!?!??!

FUCK INDIANS AND PAJEETSSS

>>17088182
Curry is tasty. Also, a brittish invention.

>>17087968
Thank you, I needed this

The average homeless person has a richer social life than me

Man I need a job badly, I should not be thinking that

How do you develop self confidence? I feel utterly beaten down by life.

>>17088297
try Bikram yoga.. often just called "hot yoga" today due to that Bikram dude getting character assassinated for providing plebes with something that actually works. Avoid any instructors who try to push you too hard. Try to find one less than 15min drive away and where they get the room to at least 115F. If in the US be prepared to strategic where you place your mat; arrive just a few min before start time and make sure to avoid being next to any fat fucks as they will likely smell REALLY bad.

>>17088297
Start by going on walks.

>>17088393
I was literally on one while I wrote that... What else do you know about me?

>>17088408
>already going on walks
How about gaining confidence through your profession by deepening your knowledge? Or doing some projects you share with others?
Even a hobby that lets you interact with others helps a lot.
>What else do you know about me?
If I asked you to play rock paper scissors you would pick one of the three.

>>17088297
Have sex

>>17088202
>a brittish invention.

your fucking diaper shitting me

>>17088420
How do you gain the confidence to share with others?

>>17088457
How did you find the confidence to post on 4chan even though you, a brainlet, are not qualified to post?

>>17087325
Yes, I remember you. Congratulations! Your CV looks fine, unfortunately I am not involved in hiring people.

>>17087405
And I haven't forgotten you either. Good to see you are still at work, don't resign before you have a FIRM job offer.

>>17087595
>the UK because we're just the most casual country on Earth
Doubt. This is, after all, teh country that gave us "Sir".

>>17087668
>art of electronics sucks dick and its for hobbyists.
It is used at universities.

>>17088458
This is my domain... Be very careful what you post next... That's all I'll say...

>>17087703
>I haven't seen this guy in a while.
I am a regular here, just not being mo monomaniacal about patents.
>Anyone knows if he's coming to the Christmas party?
I will be travelling to an extended family Christmas party, hoping you will find great jobs and pay rises under the Christmas tree.

Why is MEP Engineering filled with retards and how do I get out before I become even more retarded like them?

lesbian milfs are so sexy

I started with a masters in quantitative systems biology at my department of biophysics. I switched to a phd in medical biochemistry where I work as a bioinformatician. Preprocessing, data exploration, ML feature selection, multi-omic integration, the whole package. The problem is all of this can be automated, especially now with Agentic AI. I even did it in langraph just for fun. I am getting really bored with this paradigm in which I am easily replaceable. The most fun I had was getting creative with the mathematical models and pipeline engineering,the rest was just manual labour. I thought about going towards the adjacent field of mechanistic pharmacology but even that could be automated with symbolic regression and genetic algorithms.

How are things in your subfield? I need to dip my toe into new waters.

Any advice how to not fuck over my career chances when going for a job in niche industry? Planning to accept a long commute job at a firm that makes equipment for chip fabs doing r&d on new equipment. There is a little bit of travel involved flexible if I want more. Should I try to get experience on the industrial side of things or gain costumer insights?

>>17088697
Are you the guy asking whether you should go for a fab role or some finance role, and I said to not go for the finance role?

Of course Mr "evropean patent attorneys are real" believes in Santa Claus and payraises...

>>17088631
This is something I've been saying for a while. And while we're at it can we just cut it out with the lipstick lesbians? ENOUGH. We, the sapphic young 30 something men of the world, want stone butch dykes.

>>17088737
no

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I completely understand why people commit mass shootings now

>>17089091
I think you can get v& for this stuff now

>>17088771
Of course we are real, just check out the latest salary survey:
https://fellowsandassociates.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/FellowsSalarySurvey2026.pdf
And I had a pay rise, just not a big one. More importantly, I hope you all will have a better pay rise.

>>17089105
well the post is old to be deleted now so just kidding just kidding just kidding just kidding just kidding

>>17089091
Dear FOI agents monitoring this thread, here is your next subject for the brain implantat program

>>17089143
If that brain implant gets me a job I don't care. I will be a servitor for minimum wage.

>>17089120
Yeah like I trust this obvious honeypot

>>17089120
Surely patent attorneys are all going to be called Claude within the next 5 years. Or maybe 20 Claudes and one Senior Claude Patent Wrangler.

Mr Patent Attorney is a privileged nepotistic european

>>17089180
Yes, AI is arriving big time and in all patent law firms that I now of. Our work has already changed a lot. The hardest type of work we do is to draft new patent applications, and that is exactly where most AI projects are aiming at. Our work depends on inventive clients and it is certainly time for this profession to be innovative too. Fortunately there are many possibilities, but until we know more, our management will not hire any trainee patent attorneys. Other firms do, and recruiting companies like Fellows and Associates have a lot of job openings posted.

It is similar to the situation in aother consulting professions such as accounting, auditing, and management consulting.

>>17089192
The only privilege I can think of is the client attorney privilege. No nepotims here but I and European and like many of my colleagues I also have a PhD.

>>17089371
How many wet chippy teas have you been forced to wolf down by your football hooligan father you ponce?

I am so overwhelmed by disappointments and regrets

>>17089471
Which career? I going to guess you got suckered into GIS by lying scumbag college professors telling you what an awesome career it is.

>>17089371
>I also have a PhD.
Doesn't mean anything unless you went to Oxbridge.

Oxbwidge

We all got PhDs and have the tattoos to prove it. So what?

>>17088813
holy shit that's gross, kill yourself tranny. I want SEXY lesbians

What do guys think of TerraFirm? founded 3 years ago by the 2 Noah's from SpaceX.

Is the post- PhD depression supposed to last for 5+ years?

I have "Doctor" tattooed across my forehead

>>17089658
I'm as secure in my gender as is humanly possible little man

>>17089668
I wouldn't trust someone with the name Noah. Weak, weak name.

Why would anyone do a PhD now? All the important research post-AI is now being done in the industry. AI has killed academia.

>>17090027
To get research positions in industry

Go ahead call the cops. They cannot un-phd you.

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Thinking of leaving usa local govt sector (will lose work/life balance) and go back into private sector with stem career. What are other's takes on comparing these 2 sectors? I just can't deal with all the useless foids, dei-on-steroids, and absolute retard coworkers/supervisors in usa local govt sector anymore. Hate the thought of losing work/life balance and something resembling job security in private sector but just can't take the idiocy anymore.

>>17090094
>absolute retard coworkers/supervisors

>>17090094
You realise that anyone who has to work for a living is a retard right?

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I really thought that a STEM PhD was like a MD and gave you a guaranteed job.

>>17090135
sure, but the DEGREES of retard vary WILDLY. USA local govt has the worst of the worst staffed in almost every role, with a few exceptions here/there.

>>17090146
Did you ever work at a defense contractor?

>>17090147
Not exactly, but similar demographic at some O&G gigs where I worked with veterans from all 5 branches of military. There were a few retards in that group for sure, but nothing that comes close to the absolute gremlin super retards that work in usa local govt.

How do I get a job at a national lab. I cant afford to go into debt to get a MS/PhD. Plus ive been long enough in industry that im not even sure how I would get the recommendations needed for acceptance into a program. Are national labs / academia just for rich people?

>>17090216
PhD is basically a researcher training program. I assume you are talking about a research job at a national lab. Unsurprisingly those favor people with a research background, of whom there are plenty. I guess you can apply for a non-researcher job.

PhDs don't usually cost you money, they pay you, albeit badly. If you're going into debt for one, you were NGMI anyway. An offer without funding is a rejection.

Research careers, like many other careers, follow a pipeline. Once you're out of the pipeline, it is hard to get in anymore.

>Are national labs / academia just for rich people?
Everything is for rich people.

>>17090246
What kind of non-researcher jobs are you talking about. Can you apply for a non-researcher job and use that to get recommendations into a MS/PhD program?

So then what's the best way to get back into the pipeline. Pay for a MS and do research internships? Do an unfunded PhD? Get a MS/PhD abroad?

>>17090216
I know a dude who works for the RKI in Germany. He didnt even have a degree just did traineeship. Also he is retarded as hell. Still got the job its quite well paid and he used to shill the narrative at every corner. So its possible don't have to be rich but idk how. Dude wasn't even charming I don't get how he got in.

Anyone on here ever applied for an intership at CERN, preferably the materials science track? I just got the email by HR that my CV was forwarded to the supervisors/hiring managers.

Anyone else can share their experience? How long did it take for them to reach out?

The interviewers are out of pocket... Triflin...

what do
> graduated in 2022 with msc physics
> good marks ML related
> never had a stable job always short term gigs in finance niche
> nothing since a year
> signed up for university again
> doing some student job
what the fuck do I do. I am starting to wonder if my problem is I am white...

The problem is that there are too many fucking pyschos who instead of getting into music or woodworking or fishing or something have their job as their hobby. You are competing with utter fucking losers who think the thing they do for work is fun and so don't mind making the working conditions intolerable for anyone who actually gets pussy.

>>17090525
Have you tried to become a patent lawyer?

>>17090525
>signed up for university again
Why? What are you studying? Finance?

>>17081049
I'm a NEET since 2 years after getting ill with long COVID in 2022.
It's comfy and you actually can have some time to dedicate to your own future projects (startups, experimentation, etc.)

>>17090525
>marks
Stop being Indian?

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>>17090216
>at a national lab
in which nation

>>17089620
it legally disqualifies you from a huge number of jobs and funding opportunities if you don't have one (from wherever) so actually retarded statement

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at what age did you raise your first million in grant funding