>>17089098
The integers are Diophantine in the rationals.

Neat. Felt very deserved imo. These mathematians shilled for AI math and thought there would be no consequences.

He "solved" it.

Your language betrays the fact you're a shill.

>>17089098
I'm confused, would the Terrence Tao and the other mathematician in question feel better if it was a crowd of people who weren't mathematicians but maybe physicists or engineers that took up the problem and solved it without A.I.?

Why would you discuss unfinished or unsolved research publically online if you fear it could be solved?

>>17089184
prestige

they see it as unearned/stolen prestige

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The future of science is shaped like a bunch of jealous wizard guilds glaring at each other and hoarding in their arcane research veiled to everyone but themselves kek

>>17089242
how pissed will china be

>>17089242
>future

>>17089098
>they didnt wait for the retarded migger to take a fucking lifetime to come up with a hyper convoluted proof of the faggot-op conjecture
thank fucking god we dont have to rely on miggers to prove anything now

>>17089184
The Terrence Tao would be pissed and would shut down mathematics if a non human solved his problem. He has the power to do that.

>>17089242
that's capitalism

>>17089184
No because it just creates a bunch of nonsense work for the mathematician when a bunch of random retards start forwarding a bunch of slop they themselves don't actually understand because they just made some program shit out the response.

>>17089366
>I heard you were making a cake so I found these sticks and a piece of dirt, hope that helps!

>>17089098
>with no relevant background
Fuck them seriously. Math is in fact human thinking, mathematicians treat it as if it was their property, and any unauthorized people who try to manipulate mathematical concepts as poachers.

The present situation is tough for mathematics but aggressive gatekeeping is not the solution. Not to mention the fact that mathematical research *as a profession* is relatively new (two centuries at most), prior to that mathematicians had careers outside math to sustain themselves.

>>17089411
>Math is in fact human thinking
So why pester a mathematician with machine-genned slop? It's not math, by your own premise.

>>17089411
>the fact that mathematical research *as a profession* is relatively new (two centuries at most), prior to that mathematicians had careers outside math to sustain themselves.
And prior to the worldwide niggercattle feeding lot system, "people" like you were either starving to death or toiling in the fields. Your inferior kind has always been and will always be at the bottom of the food chain in any society. AI slop won't change this.

>>17089098
Kek science in 2027 needs to gatekeep their problems now.

>>17089411
>Math is in fact human thinking
Exactly. But if you provide a proof without you understanding anything then there's no human thinking. This users either just play casino slot on the model to slop out proof with at best a lean proof provided. It's not like someone outside from the field made a result all by himself that they still understand but more comparable to asking some other mathematician to solve the problem for you and claiming it as your own without actually reading it. It's just disparity between people with capital and compute. However it isn't still as relevant as how ugly and unrefined the result directly they provide. I think that will change when AI starts to more human digestible proof. So by then credit aspect would be trivial and it won't matter if you are the first I won't even need your help and can generate the same thing myself.

>>17089184
>Why would you discuss unfinished or unsolved research publically online if you fear it could be solved?
There used to be, for political reasons, some kind of silent agreement that you don't step over other peoples' shoes. If someone talks about a problem they're working on, they have primacy, and you look for something else. This causes researchers to actively talk about their research, which can help everyone (for example maybe a researcher found a cool technique that could apply to your problem). In many fields like many areas of CS (including ML circa 2016), it was unfortunately heavily violated. Typically this happened when commercial interests were at play, so being scoped was super common and everyone worked in secret. This led to mass posting on arxiv rather than public speaking and then going to a real journal or conference, slop accumulation as a protection mechanism, advertisement from big companies disguised as papers or whitepapers, increasing amount of falsified results, etc. All because everyone has to race to the bottom due to publish or perish.

>>17089098
Fuck sloppers, however
>an irrelevant stranger emails you slop
>this makes you upset
How is this type of cyberbullying real? Like nigga just click "this is spam" lmao turn off the screen!

>>17089493
Academic boundaries most definitely exist, but they exist specifically and only in regards to financial security. Nobody wants to lose funding to the other guy doing the same thing but better. This kind of situation tho? I'd moonwalk to my faculty and ask "whatcha gunna do? Tenure Claude Opus?" Then 360 and floss away.

tldr LLMslop is trash, but mathcels remain peak schizoid drama queens.

>>17089525
>tldr LLMslop is trash, but mathcels remain peak schizoid drama queens.
Correct, but it's more profound than that. The entire academic world has been a shitshow for at least the past 70 years. LLM slop has accelerated what was going to be its natural conclusion 30 years from now. I hope it all collapses violently so it can be rebuilt for what it was supposed to be: pushing the frontier with endeavors that cannot be funded through traditional means, and funding these efforts because they are of significant national and international interest. No more indentured servitude for PhD students and postdocs, no more publish or perish nonsense, no more publication counts as a metric over actual impact.

>>17089526
that's actually not possible. that's how humans do.

>>17089529
Unlikely*
But possible.

>>17089535
it's just like real communism anon. it's some ideal thing you think humans are capable of. for some fucking reason. just because you can think about it doesn't mean it's actually feasible. sounds good on paper but the reality of things is that humans are petty and weak chimps.

>>17089537
There has been multiple successful examples under specific circumstances. Military research from the 40s to the late 50s, research labs from the later 60s into the early 80s. Academic research in some periods of history in some topics, including during winters in AI research. This means the conditions can exist. The question is how to make the conditions exist stably and perpetually.

>>17089526
>>17089526
> The entire academic world has been a shitshow for at least the past 70 years.
Always has been.

>No more indentured servitude for PhD students and postdocs
Every substantial endeavor in human history has been accomplished through a massive surplus of labor.

>no more publication counts as a metric over actual impact
There is no good metric for le akshual impact. Don't think you're the smartest guy in the room we're all Jewish in here. Introduce a metric - it gets gamed instantly. Publish or perish sucks in a number of ways, but I don't long for the halcyon days of one's academic career trajectory being determined wholly and entirely by the function of one's nepo status and rimjob skills. P or P provides at least the mi imal semblance of grifter filter. Like, the grifters at least have to be slightly above clinical retardation to survive and flourish.

>>17089548
>Military research from the 40s to the late 50s, research labs from the later 60s into the early 80s.
You have cigarette TV ad tier understanding of the true cesspit depths under the surface of those periods. And that's just for US. Go anywhere abroad and holy fucking shit.

>>17089561
>There is no good metric for le akshual impact
Correct, which is precisely why it is insane to use citation count or papers published as the metric.
Just don't measure it and let 'er rip.

>but I don't long for the halcyon days of one's academic career trajectory being determined wholly and entirely by the function of one's nepo status and rimjob skills.
That literally is how it is today, except tuned to 11 because competition is 500-5000x higher than ever and you're not getting 1k citations and 6 papers out of your PhD otherwise (which is apparently not good enough to find a postdoc by the way).

>>17089586
>That literally is how it is today
Nah, it's still a major factor, but we get much less shitters who are literally too retarded to write a fucking conf paper to save their fucking lives. Those were a lot more common.

>which is apparently not good enough to find a postdoc by the way
No pub stats are gonna help you if you're autistic.

>>17089588
>Nah, it's still a major factor, but we get much less shitters who are literally too retarded to write a fucking conf paper to save their fucking lives. Those were a lot more common.
Absolutely not. I am a reviewer at 2 major conferences in my field. The kind of crap I have to read is ridiculous. The kind of crap I read from my coreviewers (sometimes, usually they just agree with me, but sometimes there's a literal inbred in there) is even worse.

>No pub stats are gonna help you if you're autistic.
That only applies if you get shortlisted for an interview in the first place. The competition is so insane that today's postdoc applicants have the stats of a mid-career prof 15 years ago. Not an exaggeration.

>>17089561
the problem is nonetheless getting worse because of purely generational circumstances.
>more people than ever are getting access to graduate-level academia, both nationals and foreigners and both in proportion and in total
>fall of the Soviet Union and exchange programs with China caused a massive academic exodus, especially in culturally-neutral hard sciences. a significant share of Western tenured positions were suddenly filled with people who required no previous domestic funding, distorting the funding metrics
>old tenured boomers have longer careers than their own predecessors and thus drain more money, irrelevant of their compared efficiency with younger people at the same age
>sudden generalisation of the Internet has fundamentally changed the academic work and journal metrics without challenging the already-tenured boomers and their funding power over youngsters
>magic state debt money is suddenly a big no-no after having been mostly a-okay for decades

>>17089596
>woe is me, I am swarmed by much more skilled ESLs who are willing to work for less pay and teh gubermint will no longer give me a blank cheque for filing a grant application (it's a sketch of my scrotum in China ink)
worlds_tiniest_violin.wav

>>17089613
the gubermint will soon not give grant cheques to anybody. unless you are an Indian cousin of an Indian cousin.

>>17089616
Already the case. The current meta is for profs to start companies to get VC funding unironically. Been like that since trump's bullshit. International repercussions, too, because of a lot of collabs and conditional grants and shit.

>>17089613
>I am swarmed by much more skilled ESLs who are willing to work for less pay
even if they are much more skilled, it is not science who's gonna benefit from this and you know it.

>>17089613
UK considers degree mill schools to be more prestigious for immigration purposes than the top research uni in my 1st world western country.

>>17089613
>much more skilled ESLs
Now that 's what I call thinly-veiled Brahmin posting

>>17089525
Interesting cope. This so called slop was the solution