How do you handle all-antagonistic races in your setting?
>>98027889Sometimes I wonder if Evil Races would work better in a postmodernist setting.Like if you think a bout it, maybe the worst things that one could encounter could be nothing at all.
>>98027889I am particular to mindless demons, and highly intelligent hive-minds.I think they give the perfect kind of enemy to go against, also learning the party's combat style, as such allowing me to stop them from using the same tactic a hundred times
>>98027889Frieren is one of the worst and most boring examples of "evil races" ever done. Zoomers are really impressionable.
>>98027942>one of the worst and most boringcome on man, there is way worse stuff.
>>98027889In My world, evil species such as orcs and goblins are only like that because they're effectively slave species to their gods (most of whom are hell-bent on world domination) and don't really have free will. They can talk and think, but ultimately, they are basically emissaries to carry out their god's will in the mortal realms. A very rare few of them are born as exceptions, and thus are much more capable of thinking and choosing alternative paths, but they are typically raised among their slave-like peers and adopt the same mindset of their culture.Notable exceptions include things like demons, who are innately evil but not necessarily servants of any deity. Their evil comes from the fact that they are a physical manifestation of it.
>>98027962There's worse stuff? Sure. There's worse stuff that is peddled like the savior of fantasy by dozens of tards and FOMO enjoyers? Hardly so.
>>98028046Surely, this is FOTM and not FOMO.
>>98027889Demons in Frieren should be free to rape
>>98028095No, I mean FOMO. They're similar concepts.>>98028118And do actual evil shit and scare the audience of normals?
>>98028118>actually the wolves should fuck the sheepwhy?
>>98028173>>98028335They're evil. And, honestly I kinda just want Aura to rape me
>>98027889By not having a setting and running up whatever the rulebook came up with.Check-mate, faggot
The Scottish:>They wear dresses>They eat oat slop boiled in a sheep's stomach>They consider bagpipes to be "Music">They hate you because of historical events from long before you were born>They constantly write songs about how buttmad they are, and the six or seven times they actually won to keep the buttmad alive across generations>They will deep fry anything
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN EVIL RACEREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>98027889>>98027942>>98028118Demons are not a "race" and the key to the theme they represent is in the fact that they are heavily coded as European aristocracy.
>>98029661The thing about demons in Frieren is that if they're incapable of "good," then they're not really being evil. It would be like calling a bee evil for stinging me. But on the other hand, if they are capable of good, then Frieren is wrong for treating them all, without exception, as evil.
>>98029661>>98029682Are frierenfags actually this retarded
>>98027889Jujutsu Kaisen had a better take, even though cursed spirits are inexorably made from negative impulses, high-functioning curses can still hold some positive values like camaraderie and environmentalism
>>98027889"Traditional games" are not about creating personal settings, you dumbass. Why don't you ask how they work in DnD? Or other roleplaying games?>>98027931Cool, what rpgs do you play, dumbfuck?
>>98027889I allow my players to play women if they choose to
>>98029682I'm pretty sure Frieren never used the word evil to describe them
>>98027962Name thirty six.
>>98028173no, the concepts are entirely unrelated and completely dissimilar.
>>98029901Gross. Do not mention such dreadful things in my presence.
>>98027889I don't have any living in the material plane equivalents of my settings. Normal, living beings are not predisposed to being evil, only things from beyond mortal ken like demons are.
>>98027889Becoming a monster is an incremental, slow proccess that requires doing spooky evil things. Like you can't just be made a vampire on a whim, you have to go out and kill people for blood magic yourself. There are some species that are likely to cause trouble, but aren't always considered monsters. Like a troll can be feral or not.>>98027942The naturalistic angle is rarely used so I respect it. Also why I like the demons in Dungeon Meshi so much. The idea of a thing that feeds off humans evolving a personality to assist it in this.>>98029661This argument again.We see likeable human nobles and hobo-looking and servile demons.The butler demon that turns people to gold is thematic, yes, but about feelings of being an outsider and misunderstanding people. He is coming at this problem from the other direction and with a different intent than Frieren ofc, but that is the theme.
>>98027889>How do you handle all-antagonistic races in your setting?Being evil and being antagonistic aren't the same thing, retard.If you play as a demon or necromancer or similar, the paladins and other moralfags would be the antagonists.
>>98027889They are evil at a genetic level, to a degree that they may have some biological process that necessitates them committing evil acts. It also necessitates a war for survival with them, despite brief individual moments of solidarity or empathy with them. That's the core of cosmic horror to me, being forced to face truths and make choices too horrible to contemplate otherwise. No one has figured out Frieren is a cosmic horror anime yet and I love it for that.
>>98027889Just write them how humans treat what we consider lesser species. Do you consider yourself evil for eating a chicken tendy? Basically all humans would say no, but the chicken would probably have a few opinions.Don't make them *hateful* towards the good denizens of the land (do you "hate" chickens? You probably don't think of them at all), they just consider them chattel. Or math.
>>98027889Hey guys you should come and ask the worldbuilding general. We'd love to have y'all!
>>98029901A victorian-style mage/supe game of my own design. But i dont think you care about that
>>98027942Frieren isn't trying to make demons more than what they are though. They're just creatures who hunt humans and use words and their morals to trick them. The classic those without morals but understand they can be used against those who do troupe we seen time and time again. They don't have to have a epic explaining every fucking race and sorry I hate the"humanizing" EVERYTHING to the point that every race is just like humans but with a gimmick or feature to make them look different. That's the worst modern troupe to come from fantasy. Though to be fair most fantasy is dead cause they're just fucking DEI slop or romance novels with fantasy creatures and races in it for the chick who is often a strong independent woman to get her back blown out by.
>>98031916Nobody is going to read that
>>98029682she actively describes them as basically animals. she implies they more or less aren't sentient and not compatible with human life and thus should completely exterminated.when did she ever say a demon was capable of good?
>>98027889Monsters are the universal antagonist in my setting and ongoing threat to all sentient life. They aren't a race, they are a unnatural curse on the planet put in place by deeply selfish absurdity powerful beings too far back for there to be accurate records of the event.With monsters in my setting you only have 3 choices. Fight, flee, or hide. Anything else is a gruesome painful death. Even the ones that are somewhat humanoid in shape are just deeply disturbing mockeries of life that can drive the unprepared and untrained to madness just looking at one.So yeah, fuck postmodern gray morality bullshit. Kill the monster or literally everyone dies.
>>98031964I mean aren't they. They don't really build anything they just take over shit and eat humans and gain as much power as they can.
>>98027889>all-antagonistic racesLuckily players tend to stick together.
>>98029848i don't know who this jjk guy is about but every time i see him he always looks so miserable and pitiful, it's kinda cute even if he looks like a freak
>>98032103He is basically an evil Worf. He's like one of the strongest in the verse. HOWEVER, he almost always get bitch slap by the few that are stronger than him. Mostly Gojo and Sukuna.
>>98027889I kinda like how specters are handled in WoD. They are absolutely evil and their evil comes from a complete degradation of a person until nothing but spite, cruelty and nihilism remains. You understand where they are coming from.
>>98032116Basically an incel.
>>98029661>Demons are not a "race" They are literally described as such, though? Why do you leftists have such awful fucking media literacy lmfao.
>they’re not evil! they can’t HELP needing to torture human children in order to survive! that’s how they evolved okay! they don’t even feel any malice!Deranged
>>98027889Through alignment and the level of organization such would permit. Chaotic evil tend to be solo or very small group operators, causing havoc for its own sake, powerful out of madness and a bent for depravity. Neutral evil are the mass of the mob, destructive through attrition because it's fun to stomp out obstacles, they'll be the ones that bring Grond to the gates because the best killing is done inside the other guy's house and you brought all your friends to help you do it. Lawful evil are the zealots, a religious army of darkness out to topple the holy and righteous because they have ancient beef or because coexistence is blasphemous to the creed that's granted them power to dominate reality, if there are generals directing Evil it's probably one or more of these guys, having to run herd on the others all while keeping to the Faith.
>>98027942I think its neat that Freiren demons have essentially just camouflaged themselves as social creators as a form of predation. Lots of settings have demons or other enemies that are unredeemable and evil, or are simple predators that can't be reasoned with, but the idea of an enemy that essentially just tricks you into thinking that its smarter and more social than it really is to lower your guard and trigger misplaced empathy is just a cool concept. That said, I still hold to the belief that Frieren's demons are continuing to evolve, and that their arms race to get better at understanding and deceiving humans is going to eventually cause the newest generation of demons to finally make the jump to being functionally social organisms instead of merely pretending. A fake that approaches the original, to the point that diplomacy actually works with them because they can be genuinely convinced of the benefits of cooperation. The conflict then becomes that Freiren, whose stance of demons has been unambiguously right for a thousand years, now is wrong. Her lifelong enemy has changed out from underneath her, and she's not likely to be willing to accept that such a thing is genuine as opposed to a trick.
Frien is so trooncoded I cant even complain about DnD or Pathfinder anymore. It could be so much worse.
>>98027889The demons in Frieren are so contradictory and that's why there's so many arguments around them. Things like not showing emotions when they clearly do. I shouldn't go too into it though
>>98027942Zoomers are subconsciously aware of the fact that they live in a bloated carcass of a world that reached it's peak far before they were even conceived and that they're only fed reheated leftovers so they are absolutely DESPERATE to find the new genre defining masterpiece that will be remembered for decades upon decades to come even if the dogshit they like tends to be completely forgotten in about a month, hence why they are so prone to hailing even the most mediocre and unremarkable 5/10 show, movie and whatnot as the best thing ever
Why are elves always done so annoyingly by the Japanese?>tee hee loli race Fuck off
>>98033183Sex appeal is literally the only thing elves have going for them and for the japanese that sex appeal manifests itself as a teenage girl
>>98027889>How do you handle all-antagonistic races in your setting?You just put them in the world nigga, what's so hard about it?Sometimes a gnoll is just a gnoll and he wants to rip your face off and eat you ass first because it's a carnivorous monster and he likes killing, not because it's a subtle form of commentary on Zimbawe's sociopolitical landscape
>>98033026>I still hold to the belief that Frieren's demons are continuing to evolveThat's practically confirmed, Revolte mentions hearing about an "unusual" demon that studies humans
when is Sparda going to appear?
>>98033293Sounds like you're caught on on the anime, but not the manga.The better example in that scene isn't the scholar-demon that Revolte mentions (though she is a data point on the line of demon evolution) but consider instead simply the conversation that mention comes from at all: a demon child asking questions about *why* humans do the things they do, and the older demon Revolte not only not knowing the answer, but considering it strange that the question should be asked at all. The younger demon is curious, wants praise from Revolte, and seeks an understanding of human behavior that extends beyond surface level mimicry. None of that matters to Revolte. Between these two shown generations of demons, something has already changed
>>98031351This isn't a great analogy because chickens have been known to eat each other. They are even spray products sold that you apply to chickens to keep them from eating each other.
>>98031921I read it. And that Anon is right.
>>98033041>words words words>black and white morality>very little action, but a visual spectacle when it does happen>the main trio is one autistic elf and 2 young adults who aren't fucking 24/7 because the autistic elf won't let them go until she's done travelingnahyou want a trooncoded fa/tg/uy adjacent manga, try dungeon meshi, even the very artstyle screams of deranged fujoshi
>>98033183The Japanese struggle with creativity but excel in repeating the same old schlock.
>>98027889I can't wait for them to poz literal demons in D&D. I'm sure that's coming. >Yes yes they try to buy your soul in exchange for favors which guarantees anyone who partakes of such a bargain an eternity of suffering and torment. BUT they're also gender queer saucy Latinas that can destroy your entire ego with a single look ;)
>>98033192I think this dude nailed it. Japan is THE pedo country
>>98033026>A fake that approaches the original, to the point that diplomacy actually works with them because they can be genuinely convinced of the benefits of cooperation. The conflict then becomes that Freiren, whose stance of demons has been unambiguously right for a thousand years, now is wrong. Her lifelong enemy has changed out from underneath her, and she's not likely to be willing to accept that such a thing is genuine as opposed to a trick.Damn that's actually very cool, especially with the whole Mono no Aware theme of the show. Being an immortal left behind by the changing world, and Frieren being doubly incapable of dealing with it because she is extremely autistic and autists struggle deeply with change.
>>98031987very anime setting, but I happen to like anime so...
>>98033624They won't, they're keeping demons as the one actually evil thing while everyone else gets hit with the californian tumblr ray, like for example Gnolls are now fiends precisely because they're ok with the idea of evil demons but the second they hear about evil humanoids their brains can't help but make the connection to africans
>>98027889Forged by dark gods, the inherently opposed races are more like automatons than people. They cannot be reasoned with, they have axioms programmed into their brain which instill them to kill or suppress those not of like-kind. Creating a race without free will automatically labels you a "dark god", for what it's worth. No matter how nobly intentioned or benign you try to be, the other deities are in alliance against you for creating tools of war.
>>98027942Frieren is just worse Dungeon Meshi. In every single aspect.>>98029625All of the Brits are evil in one way or another.>English are the two faced slug people (that's why they're so afraid of putting salt in their food)>Scottish are the violent yet still bad at warfare orcs>the Irish are like goblins, obsessed with the color green and blowing stuff up>the Welsh
>>98034146>Frieren is just worse Dungeon Meshi. In every single aspect.They don't tell even remotely the same story, anon. I like both, but this is a retarded thing to say.
>>98027889They oppose rape. Antirapism is the ultimate evil.
Frieren could be the textbook definition of "mid". Its not bad, but its certainly not good either. The whole show is a vehicle for inane tidbits masquerading as some deep wisdom or philosophy, all of it carefully crafted for maximum normalfag appeal. Emotional music at the right times so the redditors know when they're supposed to cry and laugh, and constant clippable zoomer-centric aura farming moments instead of any real logic or internal consistency to the universe.I cannot say Frieren is "good" until it ends because most manga fuck the landing, so take in account this could be the most wasteful disappointing shit to watch when all comes to an end.Second Frieren is mostly about the visuals, because characters are never challenge in their ideas, opinions or way of doing things: Frieren had one (1) cathartic revelation on episode 1 and everything else that happen to her is just a confirmation of her way of thinking now. Fern and Stark are stagnant characters, they don't change, they don't move, all characters are already where they need to be and emotional progress its impossible. They're always right, their only minuscule fumbles only arise from the most inconsequential of misunderstandings. Is a show about flat characters in a flat world.But everything its very pretty.Have you heard how all pop music now sounds the same? Because, quoting the study, "as music becoming increasingly formulaic in terms of instrumentation under increasing sales numbers due to a tendency to popularize music styles with low variety and musicians with similar skills." Risk can turn people off from things, art that challenges the viewer always risk alienating a major part of the audience.So nothing in Frieren will ever challenge you, every beat, every episode, every threat will always be more or less the same, Frieren will always be right, no one will ever need to grow, is a safespace for you to watch pretty fights and pretty backgrounds with pretty music.
It will never stop being funny how Freiren being popular without being some fanservice laden shonen battle drama permanently broke the minds of people like this. >>98034340Shows been out for years and they just can't get over it.
>>98034200They're based around the same theme>how does a long lived person deal with their friends dying>also how trustworthy are demons>general death and rebirth
>>98034550That sounds like LOTR.>>98033183Honestly I'd like if that was case in fanservice weebshit. Elves need to be slender, not titty monsters.
>>98034550Impressive, you came up with something that manages to be what neither story is about.
>>98034616You sound like someone who would say "media literacy" unironically.
>evilnot real
>>98034798You sound like someone who doesn't understand how stories work and gets defensive when someone who does corrects you.
>>98027889They're Outsiders, beings of another plane that has different rules. They are alien.
>>98029848>>98032103Jogo represents mankind's fear/negative emotions regarding volcanos, which is why his head is one. He's a top-tier Curse Spirit, meaning that he is composed entirely of negative energy. His whole shtick is that he believes Curses are the real humans, because they are pure and genuine, while actual humans are contradictions, constantly exuding negativity/curse energy, so he wants Curse Spirits to replace humans. To this end he is the most interesting of the four main villains in the series but the first one to be killed.
>>98034146>>98034550You seem generally joyless.
>>98027889Perhaps the scariest thing is that demons in picture related sincerely can’t get that killing humans and coexistence with them is impossible, and those who try to figure out coexistence are the ones that do the most damage… Are there any similar approaches to this that you are aware of?
>>98035322All the writer of Frieren did was take D&D demons (tanar'ri) and make them look human. Its scary how effectively this retardly simple trick has even people that watch it fooled. Imagine being so intensely propagandized you're easily duped by a cartoon villain. Holy shit man, conquered as fuck peoples.
>>98033183There's big tiddy Elves, that they iuse the is a diferent story.
>>98035590> This movie is giving me real Boss Baby vibes...
>>98035649Okay retard, name a kind of demon that eats other demons and people to become more powerful predating the most recognizable D&D variety. The fucking guy in S2 is just a genderbent legally distinct marilith.
Maybe something like the Auditors from Discworld, where they start out as automatons following some kind of malicious programming, but too much contact with sapient life can rub off on them, either causing them to self-destruct or change sides, depending on circumstances.
>>98035666Frieren demons don't explicitly eat each other OR get power boosts from eating humans, so you're already spitting bullshit from the very premise of your question. If anything what you are thinking of is Demon Slayer, a completely different manga/show. But 'supernatural monsters that eat people and grow stronger with age' is pretty common for yokai. You don't need to go any further than Japan's own mythology to see inspirations for that. > DnD invented multi armed snake peopleNobody tell him.
>>98035794They do though. They gain the mana of who they consume, which is why they do it. Swap souls with mana and its the same concept. And no, retard, you don't get to ignore the entire concept, premise and context of the show as a direct adaptation of fantasy roleplaying games to make your moronic preddit 'D&D don't own sneks' point. You know full well what the show is stop pretending you don't, its only hurting you.
>>98027889With genocide
>>98035858Japan doesn't give a shit about DnD, anon. It steals its fantasy tropes from Wizardry.
>>98035858>They gain the mana of who they consume, which is why they do it.What chapter was this stated in?
>>98027889Depends on your setting.
>>98027889They don't exist. My setting doesn't have cosmic morality. Not even the gods are viewed as purely good or evil by everyone, simply as divine beings far above mortal ability or comprehension, and mortals just try to ascribe their own morality to the gods. For example, the god of chaos is viewed as a positive force by those who seek change in the world, viewing the god of order as the ultimate tyranny. >>98028335He's saying the other way around. The sheep should rape the wolves. Humanity are a prey species within Freiren's world, and Demons are predators that use mimicry to prey upon humanity. It's what terminally online dipshits of both stripes don't understand. They try to put demons from Freiren into a human category, when they're not human in the slightest. They're just mindless animals.
>>98027889I make them all antagonistic. Maybe you can negotiate with one to a handful, but you're not talking the entire orcish warband down from wanting to pillage the peaceful village.
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>>98031916>Frieren isn't tryingYou could have ended the post there. Zoomers who have never picked a fantasy book convinced themselves is the greatest shit ever. With antagonists blander than a ream of office paper. When the whole selling point of a show is that is the plainest shit ever you know is being peddled by the most terminally online autists who have never consumed anything outside of what the algorithm feeds them.
>>98033173They keep hyping up terrible shit that ends up having terrible endings before being forgotten in a month. But they start to cry when you tell them their opinion is irrelevant when it comes to the discussion of media and art.
>>98036495I think the appeal of Frieren is that in terms of modern/recent media and the current cultural climate, it's doing something noticeably different. The issue with stuff having done it before is that those things are fixtures in the immediate sphere of conversation -- it's the same problem the "but you still have the old games!" argument has: the newest stuff will ALWAYS dominate the major sphere of influence and conversation because it is the most recent thing and our brains are geared towards that.
I want my in fantasy setting, monsters that are hard-coded to be evil and genocidal. Fully sentient and created with the specific purpose by their creator to genocide all humans and take pleasure in human suffering and whatever culture they have is anti-natalist and culture of death.They are partially psionic creatures and use this power to both sense humans, manipulate humans, and use their partial psychic nature to assume command of lesser monsters. If there are no humans, they then will salt the earth around them or enter into hibernation until their psychic senses pick up human emotions and wake up to continue the great slaughter. I want to take an evil race concept, and run it all the way until it becomes nightmare fuel. >"There is a evil race and they won't ever stop till they kill you and will laugh as they do."(How does that sound?)
>>98036495It's mind-numbing to me. I read it up to the demon encounter past eldorado or whatever, the girl demon who they dogwalk immediately just so I could say I tried it, I don't vibe with the whole road trip manga genre, and ultimately freiren is that. It's about freiren realizing she fumbled himmel hard and having to deal with that while also caring for fern and stark and fighting the demons along the way.It's about the journey, and I'm more of a destination kind of guy. I read a lot - and I mean a lot - of romcoms. I drop most of them because they drag on for 200 chapters of will-they-won't-they instead of knowing when to say "okay, we're done here" and ending. I like my stories to have endings.>>98036575You look at 4chan for 5 seconds and you wouldn't know it. This site is full of nostalgia-blind contrarians who insist everything from their childhood is the best thing ever (99% of the time it isn't - just look at /vp/ and how blindly they defend the unfinished trash that was Gen 1 of pokemon), and everything new is dogshit (No, it isn't. In fact, a lot of modern stuff is a good time if you're willing to sit down and give it a chance. Not all of it, but not all stuff from the past was dogshit either).
>>98036618>This site is full of nostalgia-blind contrarians who insist everything from their childhood is the best thing everTruth be told: I'm one of them, but I also look back further. I do think we've managed to drift too far away from decent media, but that cannot be made manifest if the culture creating it is as dogshit as ours currently is. There IS a bit of a chicken-egg scenario, but that's why I encourage people to create what they want to see rather than simply bitch.
>>98036575The thing is that Frieren is not different in anything. Plain villains have existed since forever and are currently the most common type of villain thanks to Marvelslop. They're not even particularly awful. They're just like one dollar Batman goons who he beats in a single episode. Funny because most demons in frieren literally die in one episode too. But the circlejerk wants you to believe this is the hottest shit ever, revolutionary even.
>>98036618>nostalgia-blind contrarians who insist everything from their childhood is the best thing everAnd they're right. You look like a moron when you call anyone nostalgia anything while defending current mainstream culture which only existence relays on milking IPs from the past into the form of unnecessary reboots and remakes.
>>98036750Ironic, isnt it
>>98036709>Plain villains have existed since foreverAgain, you're comparing it to EVERY piece of media before, instead of its immediate contemporaries and the cultural climate that tries to sell the idea of "pure evil" as a bad thing -- i.e. look at the recent orc changes in DnD. Heck, in the most recent interpretations of those exact Batman villains they're almost universally sympathetic in some way.You have to remember: the immediate, current thing is what is going to be talked about, it's what is going to have the hype around it, it's what people are going to be talking about on the playground, around the watercooler, because it's the current thing. Those are the fixtures of casual, normal conversation, and so it's them, not the stuff that "did it before" (some 20 years ago) that has the discussion about and comparisons made between it.
>>98036750They're fucking wrong. Video games were way worse in the 90s.
>>98029625I've heard that in Scotland there's places where like, you can just bring them your own food and for a price they'll deep fry it for you.
>>98036300Its implied rather than demystifying the monster, which is smart on the writers part. I wouldn't expect an insufferable faggot like you to understand something as nuanced as context clues in story telling. This entire thread seems to be mostly a bunch of basement dwelling manchildren neckbeards who in their incredibly sheltered, priveleged and probably cowardly lives have never experienced ontological evil. Its very real and an entire race that embodies it is not only realistic but an evolutionary precedent. The entirety of science backs that up. You wouldn't even exist if it wasn't true.
>>98027942They're artistic renditions of classic psychopaths. That makes them both relatable and interesting.
>>98036618>I'm more of a destination kind of guySo you must absolutely loathe the lord of the rings then
I liked the first part of frieren s1, really original how every episode was slowly adapting to human time (first episode spanned 50 years, second 20, third 5, fourth 1 year, etc) till now they're a couple of weeks or days, completing Frieren adaptation to "human time".But stopped after the wizard tests because it smells like it's going to become your typical powerlevel shonen.
>>98034550bro literally all shows are the same slop>people speak words>sometimes they hit each other>plot resolves
>>98037842>But stopped after the wizard tests because it smells like it's going to become your typical powerlevel shonen.S2 has some good stuff in it. Frieren getting sent to a silver mine to work off a debt the Hero Party incurred without ever paying it back was fun; getting to see how 1st-rank mages operate in the North with Genau and Methode was a solid little arc as well.
>>98037531What an incredible meltdown. I didn't ask you about ontological evil I asked you to back up your incorrect claim that demons eat people to consume mana. Was that also "implied" somewhere that you assumed because it fit your mental image?
>>98037842> But stopped after the wizard tests because it smells like it's going to become your typical powerlevel shonen.S2 has, like, 2 fights in it that last more than about a minute. People who unironically believed the "frieren is a shonen" memes were upset that season 2 barely had any action in it, and instead spent multiple episodes on "Fern and Stark finally go on a date in the most awkward way possible".
>>98038246I don't think that anon actually has read or watched Frieren at all. He's made a bunch of claims so far that just don't line up, I think he's one of those people who is mad about a popular thing but hasn't actually seen it (why would he watch it, he's already decided he hates it) and so all of his knowledge about it is secondhand with headcanon to fill in the gaps. But he still needs to make sure everyone else knows he thinks its bad and why.
>>98038246I was mostly disgustipated at the rest of the thread, but if you'd like a thesis with annotated dialogue examples that'll be $100.>>98038478If anything I was postured to defend it because I liked it as I liked all the source material its unambiguously drawn from.
>>98038474>>98038158ok I'll check it once the season ends because I trust /tg/ wouldn't lie to me
>>98038549Seasons been over for a while. That said, there is no harm in waiting longer: season 2 is in a awkward middle period where stuff happens and things move forward, but its all building up to an extended arc that many people consider the current high point of the manga, but that arc is long and involved enough that they didn't have the runtime to complete that arc in one go so they did everything they could to get right up to before it starts... and then stop there. Because that arc is going to be done as its own season in the future. So what I'm saying is, season 2 is going to feel like not a lot happens in it because of an unfortunate matter of pacing that left it a lot of good little moments to it, but no big payoff yet until the third season drops in Oct 2027.So no need to rush. We're all in the Golden Land waiting room.
