Give it ten years. Taqqiya through the pogroms and you'll be alright.

>>98054659
No idea, depends on what the dominant culture of play is in a given area or a given group.

Stereotypically, being the "wrong" sort of edgy just gets [ t h o s e ] people huffy and accusatory, while being the "right" sort of edgy that isn't actually edgy at all is stunning and brave and also omnipresent (Non-binary queer communist tiefling warlock that's actually just mischievous unless they're punching fascists)

These days actual edgy is a male human fighter who's ruthless/unsentimental.

>>98054659
A bunch of LARPer kids got braiwashed into believing pearl clutching soccer mom from the 80s was a personality worth having. While DnD has been trying to remove edgy content since the 90s with TSR. If you like being edgy this is the best cultural moment to fight against the oceans of bullshit and make a difference.

>>98054659
It comes and goes compare how bleak 90's media was and then compare it to 2000's psychedelic fad

>>98054780
>>98054791
Everyone knows that if an artist uses satanic iconography, it's proof positive that they're a baby-blood drinking child-molesting black-book-signing cultist of the Dark Lord and immediately need to be deplatformed to prevent Harm. It couldn't possibly be that they're fishing for attention or doing a bit.

>>98054780
>The most common type of character is edgy
This just in, edgy no longer means anything, children destroy yet another word.

>>98054659
Edgy is just what normies call realism and neither your picrel nor your faggy tiefling warlock are it.

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>>98054659
Edgy is just whatever will offend a suburban mom, so its changed from
>edgy is having wild hair and being a libertine
to
>edgy is having short hair and being conservative

The power fantasy of righteous violence is still the same, the justifications shift around with fashion

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>>98054659
I am yet to meet a Fighter and Palladin player other than me. Everyone plays Warlocks and Rogues

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>>98054791
>DnD has been trying to remove edgy content since the 90s
Its swung around a few times and it'll swing around again.

>>98054780
Meanwhile in reality this shit is posted everywhere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeahzYGuIKY&pp=ygUSaHVtYW4gbWFsZSBmaWdodGVy

>>98054659
"Edgy" isn't a class, it's behavior.
You can make a non Edgelord Hexblade Warlock and a Edgelord Paladin Oath of Devotion.

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Edgy used to mean dark, brooding, and melancholic, sort of like Elric of Melinbone. Then sentimental emos made that gay, and edgy turned into hatred and grusome ultraviolence. Then that also turned gay, and now edgy means anything remotely offensive to social norms. But lo, the wheel keeps on turning, and that’s no longer edgy any more. I don’t know what the next step of edgy is going to be, but playing some rational, normal person who isn’t some tortured anti hero, snowflake freak, or moralistic crusader is probably the most against the grain you can be

>>98054780
>These days actual edgy is a male human fighter who's ruthless/unsentimental.
Lol, how many people do you think are roleplaying a 1:1 Guts clone right now?

>>98055290
The cancer mage still cracks me up.
>Enjoy your colon cancer you fucking casual

>>98054659
Old thread's still up cunt. >>98010266
Go be a glownigger somewhere else you government-sponsored shitposting twat.

>>98055539
Edgy didn't stop meaning something offensive to social norms.
The social norms are the ones that got fucked six ways to Sunday.
Right now, it's edgy to NOT be a one-man-freakshow.

That said, it depends on what sort of people you've got hanging around.
There are still places on this godforsaken planet, where being a freakshit is still edgy.

>>98055290
The only reason DnD posted this book back then was because WoD was taking a lot of their sales and general culture moved to more adult and dark aligned themes, instead of constantly bland safe slop like now. Current DnD has no incentive to do it again until culture in general does a turn, which would be favored by outsiders and not a corporation like Hasbro.

'Edgy' means different things in different context but I'd say the glut of uwu chaotic tieflings who are cutesy but bash-the-fash doesn't really feel like it has bite anymore. It is defanged. You aren't threatening anyone, you're not shaking any status quo. Same with satanic imagery and double so when you're being a wuss and go 'but no bad stuff(tm). They defanged evil and wear it like a colorful costume.

>>98055108
Replace "satanic iconography" with "nazi iconography" or "fat anime titties" and you've got modern leftoid puritroon neoeunuchs, yeah.

>>98055539
>Calvin if these poseurs were worth anythnng they'd have offed themselves like Pelle.

Edgelords didn't change and neither did edge. People just got bored of how repetitive it was. If you don't want that, just write a good character. That's all you need to do.

"Edgy" became cringe because general society began to see through it. Scary radical punk bands were exposed for really being incompetent pop rock bands whining inanely about politics they don't understand. Batman, Fight Club, and American Psycho are consumer products 14 year olds can buy into to show how cool they are to their dorky friends. Edgy jokes are really just attempts to shock people by how inconsiderate and bigoted you can be. And so on.

If you want to rebel against the system, now the bar is a lot higher. You actually have to find alternative ways of being that are valuable and offer solutions. Watching some edgy action movie is meaningless now. Get into structural analysis. Don't look for whiny, obnoxious rock bands, look for beautiful avant-garde pieces most people are too dim to understand. Live your life to your own vision, don't buy into a manufactured rebellious image.

>>98054659
I think you should probably clarify what being an edgelord actually MEANS in this case.
Probably the most counter-culture thing you could play is a straight white male fighter who fights for money and is patriotic.

>>98056896
You'll understand when you're old enough to have seen fashion change a few times.

>>98056896
WoD was starting to decline when The Book of Vile Darkness was published. It got to the point that White Wolf opted to end WoD and replace it with what is currently known as Chronicles of Darkness 2 years later.

BoVD was an attempt to push the limits of acceptable age rating on d20 stuff by Monte Cook and other WotC freelancers.They knew where the line was and tried to push as close to the edge as possible in order to build out from it. The problem was that it emboldened a 3rd party group to publish the Book of Erotic Fantasy which went way over the acceptable line for d20 products.

>>98057274
Being edgy became cringe because the "edges" or limits of good taste shifted. Being Goth and/or Punk became forms of standard fashion rather than being just on the edge of acceptability. Ultra-violence became more and less acceptable due to getting rated and categorized which set different limits for ultra-violence.

>>98057274
>You actually have to find alternative ways of being that are valuable and offer solutions.
>look for beautiful avant-garde pieces most people are too dim to understand
lmao

>>98057371
>Probably the most counter-culture thing you could play is a straight white male fighter who fights for money and is patriotic.
male fighter is the most popular character combo even in 5e
fighting just for money is still a popular motivation because of how simple it is to just roll up to a table for a handout

this is the equivalent of ordering a vanilla, telling everyone vanilla is hipster now because chocolate has been more popular now, and then conveniently forget that vanilla is still the most sold flavor of ice cream by far

this post just absolutely reeks of insecurity
its not enough that you play the most popular character archetype ever, you need to justify why playing whats popular is actually secretly hipster actually

>>98054659
It's edgy, but not in the way where everyone will brood in the corner with their trenchcoats and katanas like the 90s or 00s.

It's more likely to be disruptive than part of the fun.

>>98054659
edge can be fun or it can be supremely lame and pathetic. depends on the execution. just read the room. any class can be edgy or wholesome. one guy I played with was an evil restorationist / life cleric as it were who healed people to prolong their suffering and give them more opportunities to sin and earn their place in hell

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>>98057575
>depends on the execution

>>98057468
The book of vile darkness came out in 2002, back then WoD was the second best selling RPG and DnD subcontracted them to write books because of their good reputation. They only started to decline when they nuked their own lore years later in one of the first attempts at removing "problematic" elements. After that DnD too started to remove edgy elements first with the slop that was 4e and finally with 5e, since they no longer had any real competition to remain dark or edgy. As said before if the change is going to come it will be from outsiders and competitors, no from established IPs with 0 reason to change their risk averse practices.

>>98057515
The thing with people being like "actually punk is when you make a human warrior" is that most boring and lame people do understand, consciously or not, that they are boring and lame.

And boring and lame people are, consciously or not, jealous of people who are cool and interesting. it is humiliating to be considered boring and lame. so when these boring and lame people encounter something that is considered cool and interesting, such as being "counterculture", they desperately want to be included in this "counterculture" so that they will be considered cool and interesting instead of boring and lame.

and the way they try to achieve this is not by engaging with this cool and interesting thing so that they might become someone cool and interesting by association, but by stretching the definition of "cool and interesting" until it applies to people who are boring and lame.

therefore the REAL punk is to go to the library. the REAL edge is making a paladin who follows his religion withouy fail and never makes any trouble. the REAL counterculture is to obey all the tenets of tradition to the letter. because otherwise the speaker would be lame and boring, and that would be humiliating.

>>98058388
Isn't it quite the opposite? I mean, everyone is basically secular now, and everyone is - I dunno - at least performative pro-liberal, pro-feminist or whatever.
So a guy who really does enjoy killing people for his God is pretty counter-culture, since the prevailing idea is that it's not acceptable to do that any more if you're a white Westerner.
It's why the crusader aesthetic is so loved, everyone longs for the days of shedding blood for God.

>>98058402
No. They're not. Christianity is the world's most popular religion. Christian churches dictate government policy and wield massive political influence everywhere. IN GOD WE TRUST is written in our moneybills. You are not counterculture for following the single most politically influent non-government organization in the planet.

>>98058435
But he's in the White House precisely because people were sick of performative virtue.

>>98058388
You've kinda got it backwards. In modern culture, subverting expectations is now the norm, so playing things straight has become the subversion. When the majority of media is irony poisoned snarkfests, sincerity becomes counterculture.

However, you are partially right in that this doesn't really apply to the human male fighter meme, as a HMF can be played as sincerely or ironically as one wishes, just that same as any other race/class combo.

>>98058402
This delusion is what media capture and a persecution complex gets you.

>>98058439
he got in because he's a con man who makes a living out of lying like saying he is not going to start wars just to start one and destroy the economy while restricting civic liberties. but thats beside the point of this discussion. you don't get to claim to be edgy and counter culture when your idol is some parasite who was born rich and in the elite of society and is currently supported by the powers that be, the military industrial complex and powerful batshit insane religious cults. it goes against the definition of these things. counter culture always has been about sticking it to the system. even in RPGs back then when they try to cancel them for being "satanic" and morally wrongful to like them or play them. or to like fantasy novels. or to like harry potter.

>>98058388
What's your theory about this phenomenon? My own is that the upper classes have envy of the lower classes, because despite their higher material status they don't have culture and are unable to create it. So they want to disguise and appear from a lower status despite not being one. Like the "hello fellow kids" meme.

>>98058465
>In modern culture, subverting expectations is now the norm
No it isn't. Your persecution complex isn't real. There are 1 billion fantasy/superhero/scifi stories that are completely uncritical and unsubversive and more are made every minute. There is no "irony poisoned snackfest." You want to pretend it is so you can pretend you're special for doing the same exact thing literally everyone else has done for decades.

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>>98058543
nta but that anon has a specific point there. irony poisoning has been a thing for ages. in particular being edgy is one of the purest form of sincerity to ever exists.

>>98058541
The Tangle of Pathology theory says that behaviors from the lower class will inevitably slide up to the upper class, unless measures are taken to prevent it.
Good examples would be the upper class listening to jazz and hip hop, albeit secretly until it becomes passe enough to do openly.

>>98058562
Irony poisoning is not a thing as a broad cultural trend. It's not the default state of society. People still make completely uncritical and unsubversive movies all the time and make millions of dollars from them. That is the default state of stories. "Subversion" is not some trend any more that it is a thing people do sometimes, always have, and always will do.

>>98058541
My theory is that they are mad that someone, anyone, is deviating from the way things should be. When anyone dares to write anything but the most rote and by the books slop, it's a personal insult. Someone trying to be different from the masses in any way is blasphemous.

So they try to rewrite the definitions of words so ACTUALLY, the way that you diverge from the masses is by doing the same exact thing that everyone else is doing. The way that you go against society is to just conform to the rules of society. It's a form of clawing back control.

>>98058592
it has been the default state of popular culture which is the matter at hand here. this is really not a matter of contention because you can watch the original star wars and then watch the nu-sequels and see how they're filled with dumb unfunny memes and jokes while trying to tear down beloved characters (lol luke drinks milk from titty i'm not right guys xD?) for no other purpose than pure cynicism and demoralization. "subversive" is broader and vaguer category, but usually what people mean with subversive shit is irony slop. everyone likes a good or a smart twist on a movie, but nobody is going to applaud your low quality marvel quip

>>98058648
Have you ever read a single comic back from then? Spiderman is constantly quipping at his enemies. You literally don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>uhhhh the sequels are full of stupid jokes!!!
Yeah, like the prequels.

Your victim complex makes you look like an idiot. We are barraged with unsubversive, by the book books, shows and movies. Top Gun Maverick made a bazillion dollars. Every week a new cultivation/isekai/dungeon manga comes out and makes one trillion dollars.

We are barraged with the most rote and by the books slop from all directions but to you, it's not enough. Making some basic bitch orc can't just be the thing everyone is doing, it's gotta be SPECIAL. You need to be praised for being derivative slop.

>>98058689
why would you even bring spiderman to this discussion when his whole thing was that he makes dumb jokes? point here is now that's not a significant character trait because everyone is doing dumb jokes all the time. so his attempts at being funny just come off as noise.

and star wars prequels are very serious and eagerly dramatic. serious characters act serious and there's tension and death represented. anakin turning to the dark side, political maneuvering by the emperor, the sith warriors appearing and trying to murder obi wan and Qui-Gon, and the betrayal of the clones. the only unserious element was jar jar binks but that was hated back then too. i'm not even the other anon you were replying (thats why I said NTA), and I don't like gun maverick. you seem too stupid to handle nuanced discussion and eager to scream in the hair with black and white thinking looking for enemies in the forest.

"Being unsubversive is the reall counter culture" when they look at the state of manga/manwha

There is no counter culture in the westerns world, we've been the global consumer empire for 4 decades uncontested at this point. Its just different flavour additives to your sodaslop machine.
>edgy product
>hippy product
>trad product
>progressive product
Its just pallet swaps as the consumables and market capture gets dialed in. Turns out convincing your consumers their desires are also the correct moral and ethical choice is very easy. Most of us want to keep doing what we're doing, believe what we already believe and get sold that's what's good and its been solved that more sales happen when you have chunky, regular, mild, medium and hot. That's all entertainment is. Our hobbies are not political statements or activism of any sort.

>>98058873
>when his whole thing was that he makes dumb jokes?
Oh, so now it's his thing's. And it's also Human Torch's, and Thing's, and Iron Man's, and Wolverine's, and Star Lord's, and Cyborg's, and Plastic Man's, Beast Boy's, and one billion other superheroes.

Just admit that you simply don't know what you're talking about. You talk about quips but superheroes have been doing smarmy quips constantly from day 1. Nearly every superhero group has like 2 to 4 guys whose job is to constantly quip and the others do it too every now and then. It's not "subversion" when the MCU did it they literally were just doing what the source material did.

And guess what, the sequels are also serious. They aren't good, but they are just as serious as the prequels.
>but Luke!!!
Literally is just Obi-Wan. His character is him becoming Obi-Wan. That's the least subversive thing imaginable. That's literally trying to force the story into the molds of the original rather then strike out and do a new thing. It's why Palpatine returns instead of literally any other villain.

>>98054659
Why do you keep making threads for this comic book / tv show on this board?

>>98055108
Do you have low reading comprehension or something?

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>>98058592
>gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss
Thank you for proving my point

>>98059555
wow, some shit some nobody said that nobody cares about and that has nothing to do with anything i said. surely that proves that actually edge is being cheery and happy and living in a cottage with your wife.

Words mean things, dipshit.

>>98058543
>irony poisoned snackfest
>snackfest
Oh no, it's retarded

>>98059558
>Words mean things, dipshit.
Tall talk from a proven illiterate

>>98059538
Do you not realize that the person you are replying to agrees with you?

>>98059571
What I'm saying is that the MCU is not subverting anything by having heroes quip 24/7. That's what comics do. Literally grab the cover of an X-Man comic and you'll see the heroes doing a quip about the villains' powers.

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>>98059579
Actually, gonna just provide an example. Teen Titans? Characters don't stop quipping. X-Men? Characters don't stop quipping. The MCU was subverting nothing. You don't like it and you want to pretend that it was some ironic thing but it wasn't. It's literally just comics.

>>98054659
If you are edgelord, the actual edgelord, not some limp-writed alt-whatever faggot, chances are, you are a groupless faggot and nobody can't stand you.
Nobody likes your ilk. Nobody ever did, but you had your moment circa 2003.
Thankfully that moment passed long ago

>>98058465
>In modern culture, subverting expectations is now the norm
its literally how the thesis, antithesis, synthesis cycle works

subverting the norm is and always has been the norm because nobody wants to see the same thing over and over again
the "why do people keep subverting things" is the most juvenile possible mindset of just wanting to stay in the thesis for eternity without ever giving it even the slightest thought

>>98061187
It's more that things nowadays are subverted without intention or execution and nothing is built up in place of what was subverted. You're sneering down on those who enjoy a well-executed yet worshipping the taint of self-congratulatory midwits who are likewise stuck forever on antithesis and going around kicking over other people's sandcastles because they think it makes them an intellectual.

You can't just go "erm ACKshully, the noble hero is a selfish, cowardly prick who never should've saved anyone!" and leave it at that.

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>>98054659
Probably not, op.
An edgy character can be done right usually if the edge is a reasonable response to the character’s surroundings.
I think Guts from Berserk is a good example of this.
Plus his Gary Stu nature is probably mitigated or completely invalidated by how many bad things happened to him.

Now as for what constitutes as edgy depends on the local community now.
If the community supports stuff considered “woke” then just being a straight human male fighter is edgy.
It can work the other way around too.
On the internet it is a lot harder to tell what is or isn’t edgy if being edgy is just opposing the dominant culture.

Maybe the natives of north sentinel island are the ultimate edge lords because they don’t conform to the modern world and remain truly traditional in living traditionally tribal ways before the invention of fire.

As long as the character and setting makes you happy I think that is what matters between you and your group.

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>>98055403
For how badass the traditional full-helmet knight guys in TES are, there are fleetingly few opportunities to actually play them.

>>98061187
Sounds like a feedback loop of stupidity.
>>98061839
There's a literary uncanny valley I've noticed forming as early as 2008 that has only deepened and become more prolific since. I just get the sensation that thing I'm experiencing, whatever it is, wasn't written by a human, just something like one. I think what we're both describing is an unchecked epidemic of mental illness that started with millennials coming of age. Like behind their own eyes, there's nothing behind their writing but vanity and weird power fantasies.

>>98062263
I think you’re noticing something that is very true but a term hasn’t been applied.
Or we don’t know what the term is.
Admittedly if I went after writing I’d probably fall into the same traps too.
Seriously after caring about tropes and how writing reflects the author I’ve been poisoned and I think what little creativity and imagination I had has suffered.

>>98062273
I think we should call it the Chris-chan effect. OPs picrel, The Boys, is pretty much just sonichu comics with super heroes. I wouldn't worry about tropes at all when the bar is this low, careful attention to suspending a reader's disbelief can make just about anything seem plausible.

>>98062305
>Chris-Chan effect
You gotta go into more detail over this.
I know of Chris Chan but I’m not sure what you mean by this.
I just see Chris Chan as a “parody mirror” in being a satirical living caricature of whatever the dominant political opinions reach him the most if we’re just talking about looking deeply into that autist.

You’re right that the bar is low when it comes to writing quality but I know that writing is harder than it sounds and creativity is a muscle that I don’t think I’ve exercised properly ever.

>>98062313
I'd recommend looking at his comics or just maybe reading or watching a summary. You will be amazed, flabbergasted, probably a little terrified at how his delusions put to paper mirror so many modern writing tropes before they were even tropes. Its just way more hyperbolic and obvious that something is really, really wrong here in his case. Whereas The Boys sidesteps this visceral reaction somewhat with professional art and actually having been published.

>>98062313
Chris-Chan is a classic case study in a low-functioning autist retreating entirely into such a realm of wish-fulfilment fantasy as that chap described.

His first foray onto the internet revolved around his perennial "Original Work" - the "Sonichu" universe, centered on his imaginary world of "CWCville" (pronounced Quick-ville, is in fact, a terrible pun on his initials) wherein he is lord mayor, god, father, and lover to his creations.

Oh, and he trooned out before the mom-lestation arc.
That was a thing.

>>98062324
I’m already in very deep with Chris Chan lore.
I still follow but just out of sunk cost fallacy.
>>98062378
So essentially it is just a power fantasy that doesn’t even hide it with a blatant self insert?
And the boys from the op pic does it better just from better art alone?

Chris Chan’s universe is actually pretty dark and edgy if you think about it with CWCville being an authoritarian city state dystopia.
And even current Chris’ dimensional merge thing is not a sunshine and rainbows thing but really a nightmare apocalypse as plenty of fictional ips have grimdark in them.
I’m sure a good number are equal to nightmarish and worse than 40k alone.

>trooned out
Ain’t it disturbing that Chris Chan did a lot of things before they became mainstream popularity? Guy’s like a harbinger of future trends and is like a worst case scenario or the trend in physical form.

>>98058354
How long do you think it takes to develop a new edition? WoD was starting to decline in 2002. That is why they spent 2003 developing nWoD and then destroyed the oWoD with Time of Judgment in the first half of 2004 and then immediately launched nWoD in the second half.

>>98062410
>And the boys from the op pic does it better just from better art alone?
More that it gets a free pass for it in the mind of the modern normie for completely superficial reasons. I have a writing project I haven't touched in three months because I see the point of even bothering less and less every day. I can't make money off this beyond panhandling in current year and my time would unironically be better spent making woodwork sculptures to sell to knick knack stores like my old neighbor did.

>>98062273
>how writing reflects the author
Yep you've fallen for the bait. This shit right here is what turned all western fiction from good stories with messages attached or that demanded the audience to ask questions of it/of themselves into moralizing propaganda for mental toddlers.

A good example of this is District 9 vs Avatar. District 9 has a very obvious message about apartheid, and the dehumanizing effect of Othering people, but it never directly lectures you on that message or directly tells you how to feel. It's a dialogue with room to question it or otherwise draw your own conclusions.

Meanwhile, Avatar is propaganda. It has a Message and demands that you accept it in full or else you are Evil. There's no room for nuance, no room for dialogue, just accept The Message or be branded as the Wrong Side Of History.

And I feel like a solid 99% of western media falls on the Avatar side of things as opposed to the District 9 side of things. And it's part of what's caused this disconnect where writers draft up a protagonist that's objectively an awful person who does objectively evil things, but because she - and it's always a she - says the right Message or is the right color, the narrative treats her as morally correct. And even if the audience can't exactly put their finger on it or give it a label, they feel that uncanny valley effect and disconnect from the media. If not outright reject and rebel from the Message they were served, as was the case with Avatar giving birth to the equally obnoxious and preachy HFY microgenre.

>>98062811
>And I feel like a solid 99% of western media falls on the Avatar side of things as opposed to the District 9 side of things.
Different anon here. Why should they? It's %current year%, you're not supposed to question things, you're supposed to either agree with the message and be labelled a good goy, or reject it and be branded problematic.
Thinking isn't favored in these modern times, especially thinking critically, as one might start to question the dominant status quo and the people that prop it up.

I can see how the positive feedback loop of stupidity could have gotten us here.
But I also can't help but feel as if the process of intellectual degradation was, at the very least, actively enabled by the powers that be.
An impulsive retard that is easily manipulated by the media is easier to rule, use, and abuse.
And he's far too inept, cowardly, naive, or any of the above, to actually do anything, even if he's being pushed to it.

I'd argue that District 9 was also a little on the nose. Other than that, I agree with your point here.

>>98054659
People just find new ways to be edgy. Now the contrarian thing is to be a tradcath christlarper.

>>98062811
>Meanwhile, Avatar is propaganda. It has a Message and demands that you accept it in full or else you are Evil. There's no room for nuance, no room for dialogue, just accept The Message or be branded as the Wrong Side Of History.
This literally only exists in your head. Everyone in the planet has clowned on Cameron's ridiculous Noble Savage movie and nobody has ever been branded as anything for it. Stop trying to paint yourself as a tragic persecuted victim because you don't like popular movies. You look retarded doing it.

>>98062430
WoD was one of the best selling games of the early 2000s
>around 1995, new World of Darkness releases were frequently top sellers, making White Wolf the second biggest publisher of tabletop role-playing games at the time after TSR, Inc.,[3] and by 2001, Vampire: The Masquerade was the second best selling tabletop role-playing game after TSR, Inc.'s Dungeons & Dragons.[62]
Its popularity pushed DnD to cater to edgelords. The reason why they made a new edition was the same reason DnD does them: they wanted more money and by then the original creators of the IP had left the company. The new guys didn't have neither the talent or the will to continue writing it. They were one of the first companies to fall prey of removing "problematic" content and badwrongfun and its popularity faded over time, and DnD and other games didn't have more competition to try and push boundaries. Leading us to the current zeitgest of everything being cozy and fluffy pet beholders.

>>98063047
I'm talking within the confines of the movie's narrative, anon. Where only shortsighted capitalists and violent bigots dare disagree with the Message. You've accidentally proven my point with your inability to separate fiction and reality.

>>98062811
>District 9 has a very obvious message about apartheid
I would not state this without clarifying what you mean because the only thing I can personally take away from it regarding apartheid would get me lynched anywhere but here.

>>98062973
>I'd argue that District 9 was also a little on the nose.
Well yeah, that's why it makes a good point of comparison. It's painfully blatant without being overtly preachy or talking down to the audience, which makes it look downright subtle when compared to Avatar.

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>>98059571
it's useless. is like talking to a wall. funnily enough you can see the change in culture comparing the original spiderman movies with the disney spiderman slop. how different they're in tone, direction, composition colors and dialog of the characters. probably the only set of superhero movies that has aged like fine wine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRhRZB-nqOU

>>98062811
>>98062273 Here
You’re right and I’m agreeing with you.
How do I recondition myself to properly break free of this autism to properly write good stories that don’t fall into that “agree or you’re bad” kind of thing? If I decide to want to be a writer of stories.
I think a pen name is necessary these days.

Though I did mean that Chris chan’s comics are an extreme example.

>>98063297
>the villains... Are villains and are defeated??? AIEEEE SAVE ME
you unironically look like you want steven fucking universe where we "reason" with the bad guys and "change their minds" like a bunch of faggots

>>98063496
>how different they're in tone, direction, composition colors and dialog of the characters
>wtf two movies with different directors look different
don't even get on me on quips and shit. the difference is purely that you like one and dislike the kther but you want to be a brave soldier and rebel for liking universally adored blockbuster movies

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>>98054659
You do know Satan is as powerful as God right?

>>98065071
you're unhinged and moronic. what a combination

>>98064996
You're talking about 2 different things here. One is the message and one is the construction of the story. To unravel your creativity you need to realize that tropes don't exist. Is a concept made up by critics that don't have the talent to create anything themselves. Basically youtubers and losers and larpers who have never done anything in their life. The second is to realize that all good shit actually has a message. Every movie you remember from your childhood you liked has one. There's nothing bad with messages, the real trick is execution. Focus your energy there instead of not trying to have any message because that's almost impossible unless you're making something very bland

>>98054659
Ennis is a fucking hack. I hope he gets colon cancer and dies slow. Maybe the NHS will offer him MAID, I'd love to grow old knowing that the faggot killed himself.

>>98065064
>I need to be spoonfed morals by shallow cardboard cutouts in stories allegedly meant for adults
Like I said from the outset, this shit is for mental toddlers and youve proven yourself to be one. Fucking Ferngully had more nuance than Avatar. Better execution too.

>>98054659
Male human fighters were always edgy

>>98058388
>And boring and lame people are, consciously or not, jealous of people who are cool and interesting. it is humiliating to be considered boring and lame. so when these boring and lame people encounter something that is considered cool and interesting, such as being "counterculture", they desperately want to be included in this "counterculture" so that they will be considered cool and interesting instead of boring and lame.
I'm boring and lame and I just don't participate. I go and do my own things that I'm actually interested about, like drawing or watching some multihour long video like the autistic retard I am.

>>98054659
The problem with "edgy" is that it's been entirely co-opted by tryhards and attention whores. It's meant to be about testing the waters and slowly moving the overton window towards a more honest depiction of what exists in the world but now it just means "be a rapist, say slurs and murderhobo everyday." All shock/contrarianism, no substance or anything to actually say.

>>98070006

Is that like, the defintion of edgyness?

Like, you can do a "borderline" and taboo-breaking thing, but it either works or it's edgy and falls flat.

>>98058502
>drump is fash-
I really wish he was.

>>98058502
>restricting civil liberties
Boo hoo, he deported criminal foreigners

>>98054659
Here's a thought, who fucking cares?
If you're a douchebag, you're a douchebag regardless of what coat of paint you try to put on it.

>>98054659
You will never be as edgy as you want because most limit what you can do at murder. So no torture.

>>98054659
Depends on if you talking about safe edgy or actually edgy.
It's convenient that you posted the Boys since the comics is actual edge(and as a bonus has something to say) while the live action show is safe edge which is just sanitzed corpo shit.

I like how there’s 1-2 anons on tg with an unreasonable hatred for Garth Ennnis

>>98054659
I like my paladins as genocidal fanatics driven by holy fervour. Degenerates like garth edgy should be made an example of

>>98076311
I think reading garth edgy was sort of like a litmus test for me. I dont csre if im using that term wrong. But basically i realized hes allowed precisely because hes degenerate garbage. So that makes him "safe edgy". Hes edgy, but this degenerate world and its jewish rulers love to feed us goim that shit. Jesus, i started reading preacher when i was still in my edgy teens, and as the book went on i saw more and more how safe and in line with dominant faggotry he is.
>>98076873
Im fairly new to tg so i havent seen it but, one, i am glad too, and two, any hatred of garth edgy shit is not enough. Even mark millar doesnt bother me that much because mark doesnt come off as smug. But ennis faggot is like if i never grew past 17. Little shithead faggot knowitall

>>98077102
>Hes edgy, but this degenerate world and its jewish rulers love to feed us goim that shit
did we read the same comic?

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>>98077116
Nah he’s on to something. Dennis portrays a lot of violence and sex and gore, but the subtext never strays into anything countercultural, not by today’s standards at least. Black people are always victims, women are raped but you can always see the big flashing light Ennis installed behind all of those scenes flashing the words “This is a BAD THING! Do not like this BAD THING!”. And the groups of people he always portrays as especially vile are the same groups the West Coast Culture Mafia always takes shots at. Christians, Conservatives, Racists (but never the anti-white kind), those kinds of people. Also CEOs mind you but, eh, stopped clocks and all that. My point is it’s the same cultural messaging, just in a grosser wrapper, and people have gotten wise to these kinds of tricks. Basically “Art should comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable, but it should never ever ever offend me.”

>>98055108
this nigga living in 2009

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>>98078460
>stopped clocks and all that
Indeed. Incidentally this bit is missing from The Boys adaptation, proving once again what a gigantic pussy Garth really is.

>>98078473
>implying this doesn't happen today

>>98059538
>>98059606
You're retarded cattle and part of the reason why edgy media should exist. Puritan fucks like you deserve to be teased and their bubble broken.

>>98054780
>>98055111
Yeah

>>98055403
This video is pure Hollywood nonsense.

Edgy was always cringe, don't be fooled.

>>98078981
lol, keep crying, fag. The other anon was right

>>98077068
Based

>>98079412
>Other anon
Got humiliated and BTFO so hard by the rest of the thread telling you to go cry in a corner you're now pretending to be another person

>>98079405
Only if you're an ironic faggot with no personality

>>98079548
how does being edgy stop you from being an ironic faggot or having no personality

>>98079543
>The idiot thinks I'm a samefag
lol, you're a faggot.

>>98057274
You sound like a fag, and your shit's all retarded.

>>98078981
You sound like you use the word religious trauma unironically.

>>98079726
You used the word "cringe". That should give you a hint.

>>98080037
>You
i get that i'm basically arguing for them now but no it doesn't
assuming they don't mean literally everything edgy is cringe, it's generally done poorly and thus cringy but there's room for it to be done entertainingly

>>98078503
>spoiler
nigger, do you think Garth was writing for that show?

>>98063300
>>98063313
Holy shit, you guys are straight up repeating mainstream talking points about District 9 that miss major elements of the film. Also the concept you were discussing earlier is the "philosophical zombie" which has been around since the 1970s. Get educated.

>>98055539
Ironically if trans people weren't so often hyper sensitive about acceptance, gender shit would be the obvious next frontier of edgy. I read a trans author who obviously hated everyone and wrote a book about sneaking around forcibly transing people with a serum just to fuck with them and this was obviously edgy and upset the same sorts who would always get upset at whatever the current iteration of edgy is.

>>98078460
>>98077102
Ennis hasn't been edgy since the 90s, and that was mostly cribbing from Bill Hicks. He's not safe edgy either, he's just juvenile in his interests and mainstream left in his politics. He's also probably deep closet gay.

>>98081238
Sorry for not giving you an in-depth film thesis on four the channel dawt org's traditional games board. And no, p-zombie isn't some grand revelation, especially since modern parlance has already repackaged it into the NPC meme. Nor is it all that relevant in comparing two films rather than discussing the average avatar fan

>>98054659
It's always been edgy, and it's always been frowned upon. Only contrarian faggots play edgelord characters and usually get booted because they're maladjusted retards who are That Guy and defend their retardation by going "iT's WhAt My ChArAcTeR wOuLd Do!".

The only thing that's changed is, as you said, these retards have jumped to fighters and paladins. Same shit characters, different color of shit. It's extra annoying these morons have latched onto Paladin, because now you can't play one without getting the stink eye even if you're playing an actually good character instead of some deus vult "My character is going to smite all the minor- I mean non-humans because it's le based and le redpilled" faggotry.

>>98081396
That was ALWAYS the stereotype you retards gave paladins. Decades of seething about paladins because they remind of all the times mom and dad forced you to go to church on sunday and contriving fall scenarios turned out to be advertisement for that exact breed of person to pick them up.

Congratulations lefty atheists, you did this to yourselves.

>>98081238
What are you talking about? I didn't bring up any points at all. Only that if it was meant to say anything about apartheid, its that it was completely justified. So I don't think saying anything about apartheid in particular was the point because no writer in hollywood could possibly ever be that based. Its just a bunch of hamfisted gobbledeegook that managed to fall into place neatly on accident.

>>98054732
What?

>>98081222
No, but he sold the show and didn't complain about any of the changes.

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Edge sucks

>>98054659
"Edgelord" went out of style because people LIKE THAT HACK GARTH FUCKING ENNIS started using it as a crutch to pretend like they had something interesting to say. It ultimately stumbled from "Oh shit, this subject matter is actually pretty dark and gritty," to the Juvenile Assventures of Pisscunt the Fuckraper, and his daring sidekick Gore-Porn.
There's a difference between maturity and having mature content, just as there's a fine line between edgy and being a pizza cutter that's all edge, no point, but aren't cutting anything more challenging than a frozen product.

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>Garth this
>Ennis that
What about Darick Robertson? He's listed as co-author and some of his other works (notably Transmetropolitan) were pretty neat.

>>98081860
He doesn't receive hate because he didn't write Crossed

>>98054659
Nah, people love pointless edgeslop like Chainsawman and Jujitsu Kaiser, they just want the edge to be folded 1,000 times. Classic case of Thing Bad, Thing Japan Good.

>>98054659
Is there a proper non-cringe way to run an edgy character and write them?
>>98081860
>x this x that
Been seeing this kind of talking pattern pop up more.
Is this relatively new or just the new slang among youngster speech were mocking like zoomer slang and 67?

I used to find the cyberpunk 2020 ttrpg slang silly but now I understand it completely.

>>98081957
>there a proper non-cringe way to run an edgy character and write them?
If you write the character well, nobody would say he's edgy.
>just the new slang among youngster speech were mocking like zoomer slang and 67?
Yes

>>98081922
In nips' defense, they do it with a lot more style than westerners. Well, most of the time.
Best you lot can manage is good ol' ultraviolence with zero aesthetic, and all the gore for cheap shock value.
It's basically the same shit, but japs manage to make it seem like there's more to it.
Whereas their counterpart ostensibly shows that that's all there is to it, boring.

>>98081922
>Chainsawman and Jujitsu Kaiser
>edgy
What?

>>98081976
Those shows are nothing edgy compared to The Boys; it's just action with some horror elements.

>>98081957
>Is this relatively new or just the new slang among youngster speech
He didn't even use it right because he's an out of touch capeshit boomer

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>>98082018
Well, that didn't take long.

>>98081922
>picks a comedy show and a generic shounen for "edgy"
Do zoomszooms really?
At least pull out an easy go-to like Berserk or Franken Fran or Magical Girl Raising Project, damn.

>>98082164
https://youtu.be/f3KzmVblyHw?si=gqqHnf3ee8XlBoA7
lmao, those series aren't edgy, this is edge.

>>98081530
Tequila and Pokemon or something

>>98054780
>These days actual edgy is a male human fighter
Depends on the group but not usually no.

>>98055539
If being edgy means going against social norms than being racist would make you edgy. And i don't mean the stereotypical American redneck racism, but if you make a character that acts like a 19th century British aristocrat that's exploring the Congo.

>>98058486
To be fair Christians have always had a persecution complex. They just can't let go of ancient Rome telling them to follow the law and killing a small handful of them when they refused. They've overblown that amd even once they had total power over society that persecution complex never left them.

>>98082966
Zooms zooms don't have time for Berserk. Too much reading and there's too much rape. They want to cry on 4chan and LARP as religious freaks.

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>edgelord actually edgy

>>98058388
im boring and lame and hate the deceptive attention-whoring "cool and interesting" people
people should just like what I like and dislike what I dislike
life on earth would be good for everybody

>>98055266
Didn't expect an actual reasonable take in this thread.

>>98084358
Everyone is being reasonable in this thread, only the OP is being a wimp.

>being edgy is when conservative
lol

>>98054780
>These days

>>98055403
Okay but this is cool as hell.

>>98055403
this is not even a human. is a breton who are canonically half elf created from the centuries of rape by other elves lmao
"human male fighter" = lowest IQ in the room

>>98084017
Still better than millennials, who cry sexism and misogyny on 4chan and larp as the opposite sex

>>98084752
>garth ennis
>conservative

are you objectively retarded or just such a troon you think Ron Paul is a fascist or something deranged to that level.

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>>98057468
The BoEF was the butt of many jokes for my group. Black Withering was an STD that would cause your dick to fall off.

>>98086955
Millennials still enjoy berserk so they're good in my book.

>>98087134
Not at all, they just performatively mention it as "good, if only it weren't for all that squicky misogyny and rape. BIG YIKES, japan...."

I think the only millennials some zoomers were exposed to were their teachers, which is why they believe the culture of their parents is the culture of people a decade older than them. Many Zoomers will be 30 next year. They need to grow up.

>>98054659
There's nothing edgy about the boys. Being edgy is saying niggers steal and rape, troon are disgusting and faggots spread diseases

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>>98087302
It is as brutal and grim as any "heavy metal fantasy" wish it was. It is enjoyed precisely for how fucked-up it is.
Faggots and virtue-signaling cunts have done far worse to deserve the rope, than shit on Berserk.
Motherfuckers just be living in their own imaginary world, with fairies and rainbow-vomiting unicorns and shit.
t. millennial

>>98081922
>Jujitsu Kaiser
Fuck that's an alt-history series I would watch.

>>98087907
Pretty sure nips already did something like that with personified countries.
Axis-something, I think? I could be wrong, though.

>>98087911
Hetalia Axis Powers?

>>98087473
>millennial
>posts a quirkchungus kobold while being performative as hell
I rest my case

>>98054659
God what a fucking awful comic. Ennis really is a hack, I'm so fucking glad they ruined his reputation with that shit terrible show. He'll die knowing that he's a laughingstock.

>>98089038
Literally nothing Ennis could do with the show could change his reputation in the slightest because he already wrote Crossed.

>>98089496
true

they could actually make Homelander eat shit onscreen and it would not be as disgusting as what Ennis already wrote several times over by this point

>>98087924
Yeah, that's the one, I think. No idea what's it about, though.
I just know it's got the anthropomorphized countries, but that's it.

>>98088700
You sound like a massive faggot anon.

>>98081423
>[schizoid ramblings]
Piss off edgelord.

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>>98090651
No, I'm gonna rape you instead.

>>98054659
The thing is that being edgy, just like being punk before that, became mainstream enough that it became possible for people to nurture a persecution complex while still remaining within the safety of popular culture.

>>98055403
People like it because it's different, but it hasn't replaced Super Special Guy as the main character in anything.

It's funny how this thread became super retarded when the zoomers arrived.

>>98089496
He looks like a sellout now.

>>98087371
You didn't read the comic and it shows

>>98087098
SOUL

>>98096999
I read it more than 10 years ago. (70% of it was filler crap to drag the story and sell more issues)
And you clearly don't understand what I'm saying.

>>98097033
>And you clearly don't understand what I'm saying.
No, I understand you're an edgelord.

>>98083410
>Bro, we're just crucifying you and feeding you to the lions, you're not a victim.
>Besides, they deserve it, they don't respect the law. Which law? The one that says the emperor is a god and you have to worship him like one. The cretins, how dare they not kiss Caesar's ass?
Christians are the most persecuted of all the persecuted, and even today they are still persecuted.

>>98058411
Everything you say is a lie. Those leftist faggots control the world. If you told the truth, gay marriage, abortion, trans rights, etc, wouldn't exist.

>>98101027
>muh abortion
What race is it? Is it retarded? Invalid?

>>98101027
>if we don't have ABSOLUTE control over ALL of society, it means we're persecuted and have no influence, guys!!!!! forget about what's written in the money bills and what the president swears by!
this is why people mock you guys

>>98101027
>If you told the truth, gay marriage, abortion, trans rights, etc, wouldn't exist.
You’ve been REEEEing about it for decades, as you’re allowed to do.

>>98101087
You're stupid. You say the world is being controlled by Christians, and I'll give you an example that proves it's not true.

>>98101044
Redditor, Christians are suffering a genocide in Africa right now. Stop watching CNN and start watching real news.
>>98101036
We're not discussing that in this thread, you neo-Nazi trash

>>98101195
>We're not discussing that in this thread, you neo-Nazi trash
I believe I’m appropriately edgy for the discussion.

>>98101204
Okay, do you want a medal or something?

>>98101195
>Redditor, Christians are suffering a genocide in Africa right now
And we're not in Africa. Or at least I think I am. Are you an African? Am I talking to a mudhutter? That would explain much, thank you.

>>98102880
Go ahead and try to kill Trump again or something if you don't want to argue.

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>>98054659
If you stopped being edgy because it was no longer cool, then you were never really edgy in the first place.

>>98101195
>Redditor, Christians are suffering a genocide in Africa right now.
Based. Stone Age Religiontards killing eachother only makes the world a better place.

>>98102904
Is not wanting to kill the US president the punk rock edgelord position?

>>98102932
>>98102964
Edgy was never cool, redditors

>>98103041
Wishing for prosperity in Africa is reddit.

>>98086955
Literally every thing you know about being le based were millennials shitposting when you were in elementary school.

>>98054659
the boys is such a gay shitty comic in a completely different way from the show.
it's very impressive they manged that.

>>98103071
Not admitting when you're wrong is pure Reddit.

>>98103130
What am I wrong about? Persecution of African christians in Africa doesn’t even register as human activity.

And so we go right back to /pol/.

Same as it ever was.

Same as it ever was.

Pedophiles portraying themselves as the actual heroes? Like Joseph Rosenbaum, who sat in prison for 10 years for raping 5, well, actual boys, less than 14 years old as I recall?

>>98103159
Yeah
>>98103146
Your argument was that Christians controlled the universe or something.
I just proved you were lying and you started crying.

>>98084914
Well Anon, it seems these days that all you see,
Is violence in movies,
And sex on TV.

>>98103185
The president is a Christian so yes they are controlling the country.

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>>98081583
Do you think it would matter? Look at GRRM performatively complaining about changes to his work in the adaptation, then pocketing the money anyway. Neither of them cares because they're getting paid, and the exposure means more people will check out the original work, meaning they get paid again.

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>>98103263
>The president is a Christian

>>98103185
No???? Christian ethics define leftist philosophy and the entire concept of globohomo. There’s a church on every street corner in America. Government officials still swear in on Bibles. Christians are literally the statistical dominant demographic. Your argument against this is what, buttsex being legal?

>>98103263
>>98103274
You guys are obsessed with that guy, it's impressive.
>>98103267
Garth Ennis is worse; he doesn't even dare to complain. At least GRRM says what he feels.

>>98103281
>buttsex being legal?
Yes, if Christians controlled everything with a tyrannical hand as you say, this wouldn't happen
Furthermore, the president does not control the country; corporations do.

>>98103306
No one said that.

>>98103327
I accept your concession.

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>>98103364
Accept this

>>98103390
Ok
You proved that Christians rule the world, not leftist faggots.
Now you can fulfill your dream and go try to kill the president. I recommend you use a knife.

>>98103472
>You proved that Christians rule the world, not leftist faggots.
They’re one and the same fundamentally. Seethe.

>>98103483
Okay, you won. Now go kill the president. I recommend you use your fists.

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>>98103567
That sounds cool. Pretty edgy.

Daily reminder that the usual suspects delete the threads about the satanic panic in RPGs because it exposes what they really are.

>>98103609
They deleted that thread but didn't remove the off-topic threads?
Lmao

>>98103597
Yes, now you can be like your hero The Butcher if you go and invade the White House right now!!!
What's more, you can go in your underwear like in that picture you used!!!
Go for it, you can do it.

>>98103710
You don't read the news very often, that's for sure.
and you don't even understand sarcasm or irony.

>>98103729
There’s no sarcasm and irony here. You’re imaging you’re arguing with a tumblr caricature of a leftist because of the most milquetoast critique of Christianity, such as them having societal influence.

>>98103796
Wow, now you can read minds!!! You should use this power to go and kill the president!!!
Go ahead, you can be as edgy as your heroes right now!

>>98081530
Ngmi.

>>98103483
Chuds aren't ready for the reality that leftist values are just christian values with the religion removed and faggotry added as a logical addition, and they're only larping as christian because it feels traditional.

>>98105197
I don't larp as a christian though, I larp as a genocidal nazi

>>98103660
Yeah they stealth deleted that thread despite being related to RPGs unlike "orcs are black people" idpol trash. Chudscum only loves free speech when is not against them.

>>98103077
The fact that you think the measured response to millennialfaggotry is neo/pol/ larping says more about yourself than you'd want to admit.

>>98103298
>At least GRRM says what he feels.
He says whatever he thinks will get him the most asspats for not actually working. He blamed Trump's first term on why his fat ass couldn't finish his damn book.

>>98106245
And it's still more honest than what the other edgelord did.

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>>98054659
>uuu look at me, I'm edgy, I don't believe in God or objective good and evil, or your fake "Patriotism" or anything, I'm completely liberated because Oi'm a Bri'ish chav inni, oy look at me I made a dog rape another dog

"Niggers and Pakis are the color of shit and doin't belong in human countries."

>OI U JUS 'DID A HECKIN' RACISM LAD WOT ARE U ON ABOUT U CA'N'T SAY DAT

Edglordism is fake Reddit nonsense. So was the entire brand of fake cynicism that pervaded the early 2000s. People who self-identified as skeptics or atheists would tell you with a straight face that morality is relative and then fly into apoplictic rage if you ever challenged or disrespected their deeply, religiously held beliefs about race, sex or political correctness. It was simply a new set of unmovable pieties they made up to feel superior to people who held to the older hueristics that actually built civilization.

Let he who burns bridges make sure he's on the right side first.

>>98106480
Neither of those things are edgy, zoom zoom. And being a retarded poltard is the equivalent of being a condom who gets thrown away after being used by your master.

>>98106561
silence, golem

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>>98106561
I can see I touched a nerve. No, I am simply correct. "Edge" has always been a scene, not an actual rejection of piety. The replacement of cultural values with a new set of shallow astroturfed banner slogans, managed by the most egregious pearlclutchers in the history of the world: The Libtard.

Now, in this brave new age, we return to the most daring proposition of all: Authentic, unironic belief. Honesty untempered by the fear of social reprisal, because we do not live in a society anymore, but in an economic zone of deracinated and alienated men. In the coming days you shall see much to your displeasure that Chesterton's Fence was there for a reason.

>>98106684
Wrong, faggot.

>>98106454
Not really. An honest mercenary is far more respectable than one one who wheedles and whinges about morals and standards whilst taking the money anyways.

Besides, at least Ennis actually finishes his stories, as garbage and edgy as they are. That alone makes him more respectable than GRRM

Being an edgelord is about saying grotesque shit to try and shock other people. Being a Paladin or whatever isn't grotesque or shocking, and neither is being a human warrior. Edgy is the same exact thing as before.

The difference is that we've gotten used to edgelords. So if you want to shock and provoke, anon, you'll have to put in a bit of effort to distinguish yourself from the mass. That's really all.

>>98106865
They are writers, not mercenaries.
>Besides, at least Ennis actually finishes his stories
GRRM wrote more books besides Game of Thrones.
Besides, it's better not to finish than to write a shitty ending.

>>98106684
Sinceritycore fails and will continue to fail to make an impact on an ironic society.

>>98106684
Zoom zooms are really retarded aren't they? You fell for it. You're a used condom. And you're certain tiny country's little bitch. You're NOT an edgelord. You're a fucking drone of the system. Get over it because this is just the beginning. Anyone who spouses your ideas is for one hell of a decade with the cultural backslash that is already here.
>>98106566
>Golem
This is exactly what you're.

>>98110245
They traded their stories to studios solely for a paycheck. That's the definition of mercenary behavior.
>GRRM wrote more books besides Game of Thrones
Doesn't change the fact that his fat ass is never ever finishing ASOIAF and he won't even take accountability for that fact.
>Besides, it's better not to finish than to write a shitty ending.
It's really not. It's better to follow through than just give up and blame someone else for your failure.

>>98054659
What your average Normalfag thinks is edgy and what actually is edgy vary wildly. They baulk at shit like addiction or implied suicide of an NPC. Meanwhile the edgelord is dropping acid and making people kill themselves at a baseline level. And it only gets worse from there. I mean imagine being an edgelord and not having a scalp collection or at least an ear/finger necklace? And that is to say nothing of torture or even rape. I am not normally an edgelord btw nor do I play edgy characters. I just know how they operate.

>>98113706
>I mean imagine being an edgelord and not having a scalp collection or at least an ear/finger necklace?
Get with the times grandpa, now snuff tiktoks are all the rage.

>>98110973
>he won't even take accountability for that fact.
It's a book series lol. He's not obligated to finish it or even to write it. He doesn't have to "take responsibility" for anything. A

>>98118601
Isn't that just liveleaks reinventing itself for new audience with even shorter attention span?

>>98118644
>LEAVE THE RETIRED MILLIONAIRE ALONE
If it's no big deal why doesn't he just admit it?
>>98118741
>Isn't that just liveleaks reinventing itself for new audience with even shorter attention span?
Wait until you hear about gladiators.

HEHEHEHE

I DID THINGS

>>98118644
>He's not obligated to finish it or even to write it.
Blaming it on the president is absolutely pathetic. Not sure why you're gunt guarding so hard for that fat boomer either.

>>98054659
Part of the issue, for some people, is that edgy shit is incredibly mainstream now, so it's not as interesting anymore.

>>98110334
>no u
Go back

>>98110973
>That's the definition of mercenary behavior
No, it's when you get hired to go to war.
>Doesn't change the fact...
Moving the goalposts
>It's really not
it is

>>98124437
>No, it's when you get hired to go to war
Hmm
>mercenary
>adjective
>: serving merely for pay or sordid advantage
ESL or retarded, feel free to claim either equally loathsome existences.
>Moving the goalposts
YOU moved the goalposts off of ASOIAF.
>it is
I'm leaning towards ESL now. Only swarthoid subhumans would respect laziness and a lack of ability

>>98062205
>pic
Always cracks me up when people post this sort of stuff as if it's an argument against civilizational decline, when it's fully in line with the civilizational cycle.

>>98129940
>civilizational cycle.
Is a meme from first half of XX century

>>98129940
Assyria was not at all in decline when that tablet was written. In fact it was objectively in a place of great strength. It really was just a retarded doomer like you bitching about young people, nothing more.

>>98132332
Young people are retarded though.