Magic the Gathering: No UBShe's Muh Kween EditionPreviously on...>>98012621This is a general for a version of Magic the Gathering that excludes 3rd party IPs, these cards are known as "Universes Beyond". This thread is not a duplicate of any other general, it is not a fork of any specific general. There is growing support for versions of Magic formats that exclude UB, for example Planar Standard. This general is the place for those discussionsThis general is as legitimate as D&D Old School Renaissance threads and it exists for similar reasons.Discussion of Magic the Gathering where no set or release that required 3rd party IP licensing can be mentioned. That includes Universes Beyond and Secret Lair.The ONLY Magic sets this year:>Lorwyn Eclipsed, January 23 2026>Secrets of Strixhaven, April 24 2026>Reality Fracture, October 2 2026Thread Question:We're 2/3 of the way through this year's sets. How do you feel about ECL and SOS? Met expectations? Want more?
>can't neatly colorshift 6 characters
>>98062432So, uh... Which one of those color shifted characters is supposed to be green? They do still have all 5 colors right?
>>98062446Original>B>W>R>GB>GThat's the problem. Jace was the fucking blue one, and he can't be colorshifted because he's doing the colorshifting.New line up looks like>W>R>U>WU>BIt doesn't even make fucking sense since Ajani has been WR before and Garruk has been GBU Garruk would have been more interesting.
>>98062446I think shifted Ajani might be Jund.
>>98062418Tam is the key to all this.
Color-shifted Loot and/or Fblthp when?
>Pictured: Garruk fighting Garruk, 5 minutes before Garruk and Garruk agree to stop fighting and go shove Jace in a locker.
he is doing everything he can to phase out upkeep from the game next. dismissed the fact if one wants to take an action before draw as "a worthy sacrifice". this is why recent designs like sagas trigger on mainphasewhat a clown we have at the helm
>>98062781The good part is that he will never be able to errata upkeep to mainphase entirely because it would make cards like necrogen mists complete turbo aids.
>>98062792Wouldn't writing it as "first mainphase" accomplish said goal without breaking cards like Necrogen mists?
>>98062845No, the reason it triggers in the upkeep is to not lock you out if you are in topdeck mode. Of course you can still respond to the trigger if it is a first main phase trigger but it would be far more opressive because it would make you discard any topdeck that isn't an instant/flash card.
>>98062792sure but he will push the new cards away from it propably
>>98062845it would make some cards outright nonfunctional
>>98062651She's a funnier character than we've ever had before
>>98062667Colorshift that little shit into an evil version and then reveal that it was actually evil all along
>>98062735GARRUK'S ALREADY BEEN GOLGARICOLORSHIFTING HIM TO BLACK ISN'T NEW OR DIFFERENTWHO SIGNED OFF ON THIS
>>98062781>There's no reason for it to existThe upkeep used to have a clearly defined goal that is what it says on the tin, a phase for you to pay for the upkeep costs of your permanents. But the game largely moved away from giving permanents any sort of maintenance costs (which personally I think was a mistake), so he isn't wrong in saying that nowadays the upkeep step serves little to no function.
>>98064050>the game largely moved away from giving permanents any sort of maintenance costs (which personally I think was a mistake),I think it should be the norm for creatures to have Vanishing. It won't even affect most 1v1 formats because they're too fast. But it will mean that problem cards can't stick around indefinitely
>>98064061A lot of power creep issues would be solved if they simply gave powerful permanents some kind of maintenance cost. This would immediately tone down all decks that cheat stuff into play. Imagine if Emrakul had "Upkeep {15}" or something. Suddenly you can't just Show and Tell it into play and win the next turn.
>>98064050he also said he wants it gone simply because it's annoying
>>98064076>The problem is the 15-drop and not cards with infinite manacheatDidn't even solve the other half of Sneak n Show.
>>98063883Funny how?
>>98064275It's called giving an example you leprous half-monkey
>>98062418>TQECL was pretty good, but unfortunately underwhelming in terms of power. Not in a bad way, but in a "too fair for anything outside 4c evokeslop to see play". SOS was surprisingly disappointing. I wasn't expecting a lot of change, but I assumed then they said "we're gonna do more stuff outside just the campus" we would actually get to see a more colorful view of Arcavios, but it apparently just meant converge creatures. I still annoyed about Blech, maybe some sort of deck will see play depending on tomorrow's ban announcement, but most content creators agree WotC won't be willing to pull the trigger on anything because "technically standard is flourishing".
>>98064280My wife
>>98064493She's like 5 months old.
>>98064280Referencehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz-SaMu8k3w
>>98064280the cute kind
>>98062432Garruk to W would have been new, contrasting his wild and destructive nature with the social unity identity of WAjani to U would have been new, shifting him away from his martial fighter identity and leaning towards a wise mentor or philosopher roleChandra to G would have been new, keeping jer eild nature but allowing her to channel it into growth and unityLili to R would have been new, she's usually composed and in control and it would see her out of control Liliana and Chandra to W and U are the obvious and essy choice.
playpauper
>>98064816Yeah I would have liked to see a complete personality change to the walkers. Instead they just got a paint job.
I just realized daemogoths tempting students with pacts is an allegory for crack dealers hanging around schools. It's taken me a while but I finally got it.
>>98065152pauper has UB cards so we can't play it
>>98062735>Evil Garruk is so evil he lost his misogyny and instead wears women attire on his face to prove that he's an allySubtle
>>98066520>Evil Garruk is so evil, Triumph of Ferocity was an actual rape and murder and he took the Chain Veil
>>98066520Is the Chain Veil women's attire? I assumed it was originally bvilt for one of the demon masters Liliana made a pact with.
>>98066614it's a ghost trap made by the Onakke (ogre wizards from Shandalar) that has a lot of Onakke ghosts in it (and Lim-Dûl's soul)
>>98066654I thought Leshrac had that guy in a ring.
>>98066705his soul got splintered or something
>>98066711Dang, he's been having a rough go of it.
>>98067024he was a bit of a dick
>>98066614A veil is a woman's attire.
>>98067339Usually, but not exclusively. I don't know a lot about Onakke culture. Or wherever the hell Garruk is from.
>>98065152He’s POOR!
>>98062781I hate this mutant ape advisor so much it is insane.
Get absolutely memed on, kid
>>98066705It's weird as shit that Leshrac never had a card. Like his name is on several cards but none of them is a card that's just Leshrac himself.
>>98066085Is this AI?
>>98067613#Justice4Estrid
>>98062618Impossible. Alara doesn't exist and never existed.
>>98067631What justice does she need? Hair for her bald ass head?
>>98062446None, because evil Jace is 4 colours non-green
>>98067658Creating your own reality is about as anti-green as it gets tbf
Never forget, no matter how twisted and evil a world or villain is, it/they can not be even slightly mean to trannies and gays.The Magic multiverse is metaphysically pro-LGBT. Even the cruelest torturers, child rapists, and cannibals are incapable of being rude to gays. They can't even think it. The multiverse itself prevents any configuration of particles and fields that would allow the thought to exist.
>>98067688Okay thanks for the update
>>98066705I think wotc themselves were a bit confused about it for a while, but afaik the current state of things is that Liliana was haunted through two different vectors for the longest time. The first is the ring that had been in her family's possession, which stored a fragment of the soul of the necromancer Lim-Dûl, whose possession of the ring had seen him haunted by the wizard Mairsil. And there may be more souls stuck in there.The second vector is the Chain Veil, a relic of the Onakke, an extinct civilization of ogres native to Shandalar. From the sound of it the Chain Veil may contain, or at least channel, the souls of millions of Onakke.Both Lim-Dûl and the Onakke have expressed that they mean to mold Liliana into a suitable vessel for their resurrection. But it's less clear whether their agendas are mutually exclusive or if they could be accomplished in tandem, if not symbiotically. Although now it might not matter at all since Liliana separated herself from the Chain Veil.
>>98067861Looks interesting. How does he(?) rank among Grixis commanders?
>>98067662I wonder where Jace gets all his confidence from. I mean he's great at coming up with plans, but he's not so great at coming up with plans that actually work. And he's great at believing his own sales pitch, but he kinda sucks at second-guessing himself. Idk for some reason he's just brimming with self-assuredness despite a spotty track record at best.
>>98065152is it easy to find games in the modern pauper format?
>>98067899He's a typical self-insert protagonist written by theater kids. A desire to create a false reality often correlates with a lack of rationality, and in this case, this worldview clearly bleeds into the character writing.
>>98067880It’s just tap-untap sloppa I’m afraid
>>98067625Back when they were printing made-for-Commander walkers pretty consistently I was sure we were going to get him any day, but it seems his window of opportunity has passed, especially since mono-color commanders seem to be taboo now. At least I can still play as his weird goat twin in Dota.
>>98067899>I wonder where Jace gets all his confidence from. I mean he's great at coming up with plans, but he's not so great at coming up with plans that actually work.He is, after all, meant to be Urza for the new age.
>>98067899His run-in with Jodah on Dominaria was amusing.>Hello, person I just met. Why can't I telepathically probe you like I do with everyone in my vicinity?>Because you suck. Git gud and try again, grasshopper. Now fuck off from my plane and get to New Phyrexia.
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>>98067625>>98068393Leshrac was named after Chris Page, an early playtester, designer and developer for quite a few MTG sets. I think Mark Rosewater or even Garfield himself like in 00s or early 10s decided that they will be avoiding references like that.
>>98068545It's specifically an anagram to Chris's middle name. Christian Charles Page.Yeah it's pretty retarded and annoying.
>>98068545>>98068550Blizzard tier carebear shit, it's a cool name and a cool character. I guess I'd rather he stay gone than have them McCree him, though.
>>98065152>Brazilians play pauper>Brazilians play premodernBrazilians are single-handedly keeping SOVL MTG formats alive.
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-may-18-2026Another ban wave goes unnoticed in Chadmmander. Stay losing 1v1ers (yes, with a hard R)
>>98068545Isn't Greensleeves a namecheck for Nosewater
>>98062792Braid of fire would become a 200 dollar card overnight
>>98068914>trying to nerf one of the most challenging Modern decks to pilotfor what reason
>>98069343Dunno about Greensleeves, but "Maro-Sorcerer" derives from his name, so maybe her name is also an allusion to him.
The fractured reality planeswalkers would be more interesting if they color shifted to ally colors instead of enemy colors desu
>>98069478Nah I’m fine with them being inverted, the problem is that the fucking blue one can’t be colorshifted and there’s 2 green ones so none of it can be done neatly
>>98068914commander announcements are in a separate article
combo is cringe because it's the most powerful way to play
>>98069629The announcement is no changes in commander, revisited in summer.
is dredge combo or aggro
>>98069815Okay Timmy it's time for you to play a real format now.
>>98063904Holy fuck please control your autism.
>>98069863>looking for a new deck>ask /mtg(-UB)/ if it’s combo or aggro>they don’t understand>pull out an illustrated diagram explaining what is combo and what is aggro>they just laugh “it’s a good deck sir”>build it>it’s combo
>>98067910Yup, if you live in a capital city here in Brazil there’s probably at least one LGS that sees regular pauper weekly events. Lots of minor regional tournaments too. I live in a state with a rich MTG history, first ever brazilian LGS is from my city, so we have a very strong pauper/legacy scene. Pauper weeklys on my main LGS usually gather around 20-30 people on a Thursday night. >>98068807Premodern weeklys started happening on a regular basis only at the start of this year, from what ive seen there’s like 8 to 12 regulars that attend every week, so it’s a good start i guess. But pauper and legacy are still kings here (and commander, of course. But fuck commander).>>98068914I’m happy that nothing from the Mono red madness pauper deck was banned, this shit has literally made me decent money grinding local tournaments and MTGO.
>>98069861the monkey mutant advisor also said there will be something to actually announce then. he is just giving the warning signal to the insiders to sell/buy
>>98062781Was he the driving force behind making Sagas tick up on mainphase1 start, instead of in upkeep? If all "once per turn, at start of turn" type effects were Upkeep effects then there'd be no problem with it. And yes, that includes Howling Mine style "in your draw step draw an extra card", move them to the upkeep phase too for good measure.
>>98062418That's just a human.
>>98067880
