Should holy powers should be tied to chastity and virginity in Western historical fantasy settings?
>>98085715>ShouldKill yourself.
There is no should.You can justify this however you want.Have fun with your game.
>>98085715I think holy powers should be tied to how many divine creatures you can pin down and milk dry in Western historical fantasy settings.
I think realismtards should get death by being forced to eat their socks.
>>98085715Yes, because I like the idea of a woman losing her powers once she has sex. It's a really fascinating tension, because it inherently poisons any future relationship: "I gave up my powers for you" is always going to be a sore point. Then there are also the really interesting ways one can get around that. I remember, mostly famously, the Stones of Power trilogy had (in literally the last pages of the book) the main love interest hook up with Zeus so she could get around the "Lose virginity, lose powers" thing by replacing it with a greater form of divinity.
>>98085715Yes, this way I can make my character rape bitches left and right and make them lose their powers and turn them into slaves.
>>98085715I would really be hard pressed to find religions really care for virginity in "western" tradition (yes, chastity is nice, no ihaving sex doesn't preclude you becoming a saint or whatever).Hell, I would be hard pressed to have some "virginity is power" thing, aside arguably from the Vestals. Nuns certainly didn't.Even in proper mythology the connection is tiny as fuck - greek goddesses and nymphs didn't lose their powers from fucking. Maybe you can count Mary, but that doesn't seem like a "power" to me.
>>98086231Athena and Artemis are virgin goddesses in the famously horny Greek pantheon.
>>98086233But they did not derive their power specifically from being virgins, no
>>98086224Your character will probably miss and rape his own retarded ass, nogames
>>98086233Yes, but it's not like they would lose their status by doing the deed. If you read the homeric hymns, the thing is that they (and Hestia) just are impervious to love.Indeed, Athena is (half) raped by Hephaistos, even bearing Erikhthonios in a, uh. unconventional way but she's still a goodess anyway. Artemis is more than enough of a bitch to kill her friends when they imply she might be feminine tough.
>>98086239actually they did, because they represented vestal virgins and the universal concept of female sanctity as well as female priestesses, you porn addicted retard. It was a death penalized taboo to rape or molest a priestess of the temple. Because unlike what a xitter tard believes, people weren't sexual libertines in open swinger relationships at all times of the day until Jesus came along. There was social standards held that were usually punished by death. Mystery cults could kill people who bore witness to any of their rituals and it was legal. The greeks were an insanely devout people and held traditions as close to heart as anyone ever could. The idea they were a bunch of loose whores and degenerates is hilarious knowing prostitutes were considered equal to slaves, Sparta was so militant their men barely had sex to the point their women had to do training and cut their hair short just so they could be allowed to fraternize amongst the soldiery, Athens had to enforce social conservatism to be able to keep its aristocratic hierarchy in check, and their neighbours were the Thracians who were chauvinists, and the galatians who held strong to clan and family members because they were celts. Fuck off historically illiterate ape.
>>98086213>I remember, mostly famously, the Stones of Power trilogy had (in literally the last pages of the book) the main love interest hook up with Zeus so she could get around the "Lose virginity, lose powers" thing by replacing it with a greater form of divinity.That just sounds fucking terrible
>>98086320NTA, but I wouldn't use the Vestals as a blueprint for "normall" sexual activity in any period of Roman history. Or at least about virginity.Also, not to defend the nazis of ancient greece, but the spartan women thing is generally tought to be a joke IIRC. Not that the spartans wouldn't have been instituzionalized gay pedos, but still.
>>98085715In fantasy, you should just make things however you want, instead of making worthless threads begging for approval.
>>98086045That's not very realistic
>>98086360No, that's bad, self-indulgent fantasy. What you should actually do is make things the way you're afraid they might be even though you have no proof.
>>98086362We can test it on OP.
>>98086233>>98086266>>98086320Virginity also had a connotation being "untamed/unclaimed" to the Greeks in rather than just has not/does not have sex. Athena was more a divine representation of the polis of Athens and its hegemony than she was an actual goddess. Her being virgin/unmarried would have been a form of propaganda implying that Athena and therefore the polis of Athens was not submissive to another god, city or temple. Erikhthonios being a child of Hephaestus and Athena would imply some submission to Hephaestus which goes against Athena's desire to be top dog.
>>98086439I agree, but where dwelling on the... lower level analysis, so to speak. The literal "rules of gods" that we can extrapolate (wrongly, mostly, but it's fun) to use in games.Anyway I like that the athenians had full fledged snakeman god. With some HPL-like attached insanity, even.
>>98086239According to ancient greeks sex scared off animals which is why hunters had to abstain from sex and masterbating before hunting.
>>98085715They should slut it up and gain power from doing so
>>98086551Based and hierodulepilled.(I think there canonically are those in Conan 2d20)
>>98085715Ask the worldbuilding general, nogames.
>>98086501Just don't be so loud about it?
>>98086350>duh nazees of greecereddit roped itself due to deranged jannies and solipsistic echo chambers six years ago retard, read the room. People like you are completely out of touch with real people.
>>98086328Well I mean if you hook up with a God you've basically 'won the game'.
>>98086583The act gave off a scent that lasted for days which is what scares the animals off.
Traditional games?
>>98085926Why?
Virginity gives you holy powers. Having sex removes holy powers and gives you a bonus to charisma. Having lots of sex gives you lust-based magic, but you lose the ability to seduce naturally and gain weakness to the holy element.
>>98085715You should first decide how syncretism is handled by those of the faith in your setting.
>>98085715Why? They're not tied to clerical status now. A priest who violates his vows of chastity doesn't get his magic Jesus powers revoked.>>98086320>because they represented vestal virginsNo you idiot.>>98086231>aside arguably from the VestalsThey didn't derive their powers from being virgins, they pleased the gods. Losing their virginity while in office was a giant "fuck you" to the gods and invited catastrophe to Rome, so the Romans were duty bound to remove the offending party and make the appropriate sacrifice.
>>98086213That was a plot point in Scorpion King, that women of Cassandra's lineage have prophetic powers as long as they are virgins so her captor just settles for keeping her around half-naked. The ending walks back on it though as Cassandra says the virginity requirement was just a ruse to keep her from getting raped.
>>98087570She actually DOES lose her powers after she loses her virginity, if I recall correctly. At the end, Cassandra's prediction is based on 'female intuition', not magic.
>>98087608It might have been ambiguous or I might be misremembering myself, it has been ages since I saw it.
>>98085715You’ve come to a misunderstanding, though you certainly aren’t the only one to do so. Sex isn’t bad or sinful - adultery is. If you are having sex within the context of a marriage then that’s good - you’re supposed to be doing that! Your adventurers need to find wives!
>>98085715No, that's just Catholic priests. Miracles were often performed by laypeople. Jesus had sex and begot his own line. Also stop making this thread you fucking bum.
>>98086320Good point anon, laws and taboos are famously made to prevent things that don’t happen, and they apply to all people at all times, who are always caught in the act.
Yes, degenerates with absent fathers wouldn't understand.
>>98088463Athena was not a goddess because she was a virgin, and neither was Hestia. If any of them had sex they would not suddenly lose their power. That is simply not how it works.
>>98088572athena and hestia weren't gacha characters with powers you mongs, they were cultural archetypes that were virgins because that was the way those characters were perceived by their society, similar to how today we perceive the archetype of the nerd as a virgin
>>98086835Just wash yourself after the deed?
>>98088984you have to catch the animal first before you can make soap
>>98085715Mohammad had sex with kids and he was still the capital P Prophet.
>>98088946And we're talking about characters with powers, you braindead retard. The role and power of those gods within their divine narrative was not connected to them being virgins. If someone fucked any of them they would not stop being gods. Therefore it makes no sense that the divine powers of a cleric should be tied to them being one as well.
>>98087443This seems sensible.
>>98086401Make it a woman's used socks and we're talking some fun
>>98089054No, it has to be OP's socks so it kills him.
>>98085715Only if they are lost through voluntarily breaking a vow of chastity. Rape doing nothing takes it off the table as the go-to tactic, and villains would have to be more crafty with thwarting divine power.
>>98089304What if their eyes turn into hearts?
>>98087608>Female intuition lets you handle a venomous snake easily Women are OP
>>98089018the point is that nothing could fuck them in the same way nothing can fuck the modern archetype of the nerd, you nerd
>>98089430So it doesn't matter, then? Most tabletop games do not involve sex, so the rule wouldn't even come up. No reason for it to even be there. Thank you for your concession.
>>98086618Problem is, anon, I enjoy not being in touch with what your ilk considers "real people".
>>98085715probably not, the priesthood of Christendom wasn't always banned from marriage. alot of religions from beforehand where built on household gods tended to through the lineage. there was a cult that featured smashing the testicles of new members but I don't know enough about them.
>>98085715unrelated but I like the dark bicorns that hate letting virgins ride it
>>98085715>>98086213wtf Edna
>>98086213>tfw you've been married for 40 years, you forgot to buy eggs on your way home and she launches her "I gave up my powers for you" tirade for the 5th time this week>mfw it's Tuesday
>>98090687shouldnt have forgotten to buy the eggs, bitch.
>>98089407I mean think about it.If she still had her predictive powers, wouldn't she just tell the guy?
>>98088572Factually wrong:>The third one not to take pleasure in the things done by Aphrodite is that young Maiden full of aidôs,>Hestia, who was the first-born child of Kronos, the one with the crooked mêtis,>as well as the last and youngest, through the Will [boulê] of Zeus, holder of the aegis.>She was the Lady who was wooed by Poseidon and Apollo.>But she was quite unwilling, and she firmly refused.>She had sworn a great oath, and what she said became what really happened.>She swore, as she touched the head of her father Zeus, the aegis-bearer,>that she would be a virgin for all days to come, that illustrious goddess.>And to her Father Zeus gave a beautiful honor, as a compensating substitute for marriage.>She is seated in the middle of the house, getting the richest portion.>And in all the temples of the gods she has a share in the tîmê.>Among all the mortals, she is the senior goddess.Hestia was given her status as a goddess because of her vow of virginity to Zeus, as a honor.>>98089486>doesn't matterThey always default to that when reality is against them.
>Smugly say that the wizard can lose his spellbook, but you're safe from that>DM has your cleric raped and depowered
