What is the most broken character you can make in D&D?Assume all rule sets available, but you are limited to picking one for the build/setup.
3.5 pun-pun and it's not close
>>980907205th edition, with no metaknowledge, prereading the module or common houserules? Top has to be coffeelock. Goes without saying. After that a winged tiefling warlock/fighter is probably the best martial. You can fire magical sharpshooter arrows from beyond almost anything's reach, packs plenty of armour and health, stacks good stats for saves (cha + dex) AND is a full caster on top of that. You can heal, summon, blast, control, anything you need really. And all while abusing the shit out of flying rules to abuse involuntary movement and range bands. Did i mention you ignore cover?Druid/cleric is also pretty broken, i reccomend star druid and tempest cleric, but really anything goes
I like to play an arakocra archer with sharpshooter. You will basically be unstoppable as long as you are a) outside and b) not fighting a flying enemy.
>>98090720>>98090935All "broken" character builds typically either rely on either misinterpretting rules, or explicitly finding some third party bullshit that has one iota of stupid bullshit that usually amounts to shapeshifting into or summoning a creature that can give you infinite gas station dick pills that you can trade to the fairy king in another shitty splat for a +100 Gorillion Bonus to all stats.
>>98090953What's the coffeelock?
>>98092226Google it :)
>>98090935pun pun is genuinely nonfunctional dog shit
>>98090720Pun pun.
>>98090720>Most broken buildPun-pun, it goes infinite.>Most powerful classProbably 3.5's Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil or Radiant Servant of Pelor. They both are just taking two tier 1 classes and giving extra class features.>But anon what about 5e and other editions5e is hampered by bounded accuracy, from a pure numbers perspective you never get as strong as 3.5's upper limit. 4e might be in the running but in 4e an optimised character never reaches the same level of power as in 3.5 simply due to the game being "better balanced" which is almost a compliment
>>98092813>Sevenfold Veil or Radiant Servant of PelorMy guy, have you not heard about taint or circle magic?
>>98092226Warlock spell slots refresh on short rest. You can turn them into sorcery points with Sorcerer, which don't reset until long rest. Basically the longer you go without sleep the more bullshit you can do. And by RAW (now, after this bullshit became common knowledge) you make a CON save with an initial DC of 10 to not suffer a level of exhaustion, adding 5 to the DC for every 24 hour period in which you have not taken a Long Rest past the first.So by RAW it's still a potent combo, but it's not the sort of thing you can maintain indefinitely.
>>98090720This might sound silly, but a simple flying race sharpshooter fighter is undefeatable in 5e. Just fly up beyond the range of any spells and keep shooting arrows until you win. I remember doing this in an "Arena" game back in 2017 to prove a point.
>>98090720Which edition? 5e 2024?I don’t know, I only started playing that year, and I don’t even play D&D all the time.Besides, what tier are you talking about?I’ll assume level 5.What role do you want to play?Frontliner, damage dealer, controller, buffer, face/social character?I’ll assume you mean damage.I guess Berserker Barbarian can deal a lot of damage with GWM, and Beast Master Ranger with Dual Wielder and Two-Weapon Fighting can also put out some pretty serious damage.
It has to be 3.5D&D because it has the biggest numbers. 4e/5e Optimised builds might get 30 or 40AC3.5 gets AC In the hundreds.As others have said, Pun-Pun.But if you don't agree with the rules interpretation that Pun-Pun requires (temporary vs permanent stat numbers), then it's Malconvoker. Allow me to explain. Malconvoker is a summoner-type that gets free Extend spell on summoning/conjuration and a HD limit cap raise on Planar Binding.With the right items to boost Cha-checks and some preptime, a 16th level or so Malconvoker can have literally thousands of 8HD Outsiders and his command, hundreds of 14HD Outsiders and dozens of 20HD Outsiders on his side. At that point, sheer weight of numbers and variety of abilities beats anything he comes across. Your build has 500AC? I'll have thousands of enemies target you with low-damage spells, Reflex save for half damage. You have Evasion and a stupid high Reflex save? You'll have to roll some 1s eventually. Immune to energy damage? I'll have Balors cast Implosion on you until you fail a Fortitude save.Etc.Note, I'm not saying this build is invulnerable - the Malconvoker can still be killed, and mass numbers of minions work best in open battlefields, less so in a confined area like dungeon. But in terms of raw power and simply being able to overwhelm any other build, it has my vote.Beating the Malconvoker requires very clever planning and playing.The Malconvokers tactics are actually kinda dumb - I overwhelm you with thousands of disposable minions.And that's why it's the most broken - because cleverness is not required to win using it.
>>98090720Divination + Deck of Many Things
>>98090720What world lore setting writing?
>>98090935pun-pun isn't a real build
>>98092195Ara-what?Its human, elf or dwarf faggot
Anything is broken if you're the DM's girlfriend that lets you what you want, take backsies, is fed magic items, and has any power constraints hand waved with a single pout and a sad "oh".
>>98090720The Wish and the Word, one ends up with ridiculous wishing powers and the other can just holy word/blaspheme all of his problems into the stratosphere.
>>98092813And 4e optimized characters often have a massive gaping hole in their defenses somewhere.
>>98090935Punpun involves wishing on a demon lord who would rather just rape you
>>98097783>>98098221It relies on a specific monster with a specific ability, which is explicitly cannot use on itself or others like it, which outright breaks the "and then I give myself infinite stats" loop>Sarrukh are immune to this effect.
>>98090720Sorcerer with Subtle Spell and Wish, and anything they can take/use to boost their initiative. They go first, subtle spell Wish (so it can’t be counter spell’d) and win the fight with their wish.
>>98098279Imagine wasting spell slots and sorcery points to either cast another spell or play mother-may-I with the DM
>>98092221Not all.
>>98090720Either one of these qualifies as the most powerful non-infinite, non-arbitrary, non-looping, sub-epic characters ever created in any edition. They were created as a pair due to the nature of the contest, but function alone just as well.https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/The_Wish_and_the_Word_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build)
>>98094662you mean easily countered by fliers and ranged attacks?
>>98098237At least read the text before posting, idiot.
>>98098237For a Sarrukh. Which is not the same thing as someone wild shaped into a Sarrukh temporarily, for the sake of getting Manipulate Form through Assume Supernatural Ability, so you can Manipulate Form Manipulate Form onto your familiar that is scaled but is definitely not a Sarrukh so they can Manipulate Form Manipulate Form back onto you when you are no longer Wild Shaped into a Sarrukh but are just a regular ass kobold. There's plenty fucky parts with Pun-Pun, but that part and the stat abuse check out RAW.
>>98093237No, it is indefinite. Sorcerer gets a rejeuvenation spell that removes fatigue, and it costs less than the number of points you generate per eight hours. There's also no cap on the number of points you can carry, so you end up accumulating a theoretically infinite number of spell slots. Its not even a meme strategy to do this either because you still get more casts per 8 hours than an equivalent sorcerer would, so you're not checked by attrition either
>>98098853>easily countered by fliers only fliers with 35+ft of movement (assuming no cunning action rogue dip), and it will take that enemy 16 turns to catch you, you can kill them in that time> and ranged attacks?Sharpshooter removeps the disadvantage from long range. You'll outshoot most things from like 800ft away, if they're even in range at all. Speaking of, that flier now takes 160 turns
>>98094662>>98098853NTA, but in a normie-meta where everyone focuses on melee and doesn't pay too much attention to spell range, yes, that prior anon is el correcto.The CR Neo-players have very shallow intuition, they are sheep.Old School players do the exact same shit Anon said, proving he is OG legit.If a bunch of Gygaxians were on table, he'd just find himself in the middle of Aerial Combat with spell AA.
>>98098975so, it's countered by most of the flying monsters in the book, thanks for clearing that up
>>98099044There is no such thing as a meta, and he is wrong. Ranged attacks can hit flying creatures, so they are not immune to attacks.
>>98090935Omnifiscer
>His game has numerical ranges BIG fuckin yikes LMAO
>>98092195Cool monster.
>>98093133Those aren't classes
>>98099044>>98099843>All combats are in blank empty locationsI find it very unlikely there wouldn't be somewhere simple like a house etc to hide in from a flying enemy hundreds of feet in the air.
>98099843>fucking botYou can't read, or are 年春夏之交的政治风波He said undefeatable, not immune to attacks.They are not the same.Sharpshooter vs normal ranged, i'd say odds are in his favor.and Zhang, metas are everywhere. Even with Netflix habits.
>>98092221All the biggest memed "exploits" are like this.Peasant Railgun? Requires simultaneously adhering to rules as written and invoking DM fiat to allow momentum, which isn't part of the rules.PunPun requires DM fiat to allow all the wishes to work and a specific magic item to exist and be given to you.I believe LocateCityNuke is also reliant on DM fiat.The only one I'm aware of that fully adheres to basic rules AND isn't technically reliant on DM fiat is coffeelock. And any DM worth his shit will simply not allow you to do that.
>>98100231whats the current meta for netflix competitive?i want to get onto the leaderboard
>>98099044I cant speak to all editions but the flying character can be doing this before a wizard sorcerer or warlock get fly, and clerics and druids never get that spell at all. Casting it at level 5 eats one of two 3rd level spell slots, so you're doing what, one fireball to the (dex save) fighter while getting shelled from 450 feet outside your maximum range assuming the (dex build) wins the checks to choose the engagement? Your wizard is closing at 90ft per turn, so you're shot six to eight times before closing to engagement range at 14.5 damage per hit. You have maybe 25 hp at level 5, so your wizard is dead before they even close to spell-range - the fighter didnt even need a subclass feature or action surgeAt higher levels teleports and more abundant spell slots skew things more in favour of the caster, sure, but do they ever actually *win* the DPS race? If we're talking about creatures from the monster manual instead then again yeah there are some you cant outfly, but then you just land. You're still a fully fledged fighter on the ground, you dont lose any utility by fighting normally if it happens to be more favourable the one time range doesnt give you a free win>>98100225Maybe, but hiding isnt exactly winning, and the sharpshooter fighter ignores cover regardless
>>98098863>>98098889>At will, a sarrukh can modify the form of any Scaled One native to Toril, except for aquatic and undead creatures.The supernatural power is written as being only usable by a Sarrukh and on top of that, only scaled ones native too their highly specific area, meaning it can't be used when not in Sarrukh form and cannot be used on Punpun just because he's scaled. You can argue that you can just handwave Punpun as being a Toril kobold, but Manipulate Form, as the Sarrukhs use it, is not something that can be granted to someone else.
>>98100242>pun-pun required a thing in the books to existDoesn't that apply to literally everything?
>>98100212>Those aren't classes>What is Tainted Scholar?>What is Red Wizard, Hauran Elder, or HathranDo you actually read anything related to 3.5 or are you just guessing?
>>98090720In 5e 2014, by RAW you could do the infinite loop with Wish and Simulacrum. That was obviously changed in 2024 5e though, lol
>>98100225well, I'm talking to a guy who thinks flight can't be countered. obviously, if he's flying, he's in a situation where it makes sense to do so. if the enemy is not reachable from the air, then of course he would not be flying, as it would not grant an advantage. I figured that didn't need to be said out loud.
>>98100231sharpshooters are not undefeatable.there is no melee meta.
>>98101329Assume supernatural form : You learn to use a supernatural ability of an assumed form.Prerequisite: Wis 13, ability to assume a new form magically.Benefit: You learn to use a single supernatural ability of another kind of creature while assuming its form through a polymorph self spell or a similar effect.No part of the rules for sarrukhs provide any special restrictions. It is a supernatural ability, so it is a valid target for supernatural ability. There is no exception in the text of any sort that prevents this from functioning, such as "assume supernatural ability can't copy this ability".If you disagree, provide a page number and cite the exact text.
>>98101765*for assume supernatural ability, obviously.
>>98101728>he doesnt know what a meta isHumor me. For the sake of argument, can you suggest a monster or build that DOES defeat a flying sharpshooter? Any and all books and builds for 2014 5e are valid, whatever you like as long as its detailed and specific
>playing the dumb baby edition for gay furriesyeah, I'll pass. LMAO
>>98101471>It took them a decade to fix thisLol
>>98102139I must admit, I'm surprised at how good this thread was. Normally, wimps like you show up right away to ruin it.
>>98102139But anon, you've spent all thread telling us you're THE expert in the dumb baby edition for gay furries. Are you perhaps... just a retarded faggot?
What's the strongest with slightly stricter requirements? As a lot of these require a fair bit of dm cooperation, and stretch the definition of RAW.You get xp to get to lvl 20 once (as a single class character, you can multiclass but if it's an edition that penalizes it you get that penalty and won't be lvl 20), edition appropriate wealth for that xp amount, and can choose options to spend that budget, but you can't assume a pre-story where you get to do specific stuff.The character won't get preparation time beyond starting rested, prepared and equipped.Only player facing options from wotc books that are not setting or campaign specific (or choose one setting).Magic items can be up to one fifth of the starting wealth per item, unless your character could craft it themselves.Extra points if it doesn't require something that most dms would instinctively ban the moment they hear about it, i.e. you stick to stuff that sounds fair, but strong.
>>98102194Think of it as the Stillmania of character builds. "No one will question the validity of your build."
>>98102145ironic.
>>98102160Ironic.
>>98102194Already answered, Wish or Word
>>98090720>What is the most broken character you can make in D&D?A cute elf.
>>98101369>Tainted magic = the class tainted scholarRetard
>>98102804Both break several stipulations.
>>98101329No, it's not, that's how most monster abilities in 3.5 are written. Case in point, clicking a random monster from the SRD:>Breath Weapon (Su)>A mephit can use its breath weapon once every 1d4 rounds as a standard action. See the individual descriptions for details. Nowhere does that communicate you can't use the breath weapon if you use Assume Supernatural Ability or Shapechange, that's inventing shit. You would never argue you can't use Improved Grab when wild shaped into a brown bear because Improved Grab on the brown bear's sheet says a brown bear must hit with a claw or bite. Don't do it elsewhere.
>>98102817Unbeatable.
>>98090953>star druid and tempest clericdont see the synergydid you maybe mean twilight cleric?
>>98102194Practically, as in an actual outcome of the rules and not questionable from a rules standpoint like LCB or Pun-Pun but instead very overpowered design? 3.5 Planar Shepherd due to planar bubble interacting with faster planes or one of the action economy looping exploits like Fission Synchronicity Affinity Field Temporal Acceleration.
>>98094662You'd get vibe checked by a Earthbind or Web.
>>98101059You're going to get dicked by Earthbind or Web. And an Arcane Sniper SorLock will never not peg you with cantrips inside of 600'
>>98094662>Just fly up beyond the range of any spells and keep shooting arrows until someone casts Wind Wall rendering me a non-factor for the next ten turns
>>98102860Nope.
>>98103493>>98103516Earthbind is only 300ft range web is 120ft i think, irrelevant spells. Longbow sharpshooter hits you at 600ft, i have 300ft to be careless with. Also its a str saving throw.Also fighter still can out dps the arcane sniper and is tankier and has higher initiative.>>98103529I fly directly above the target, rendering windwall irrelevant (doesnt have a roof).>>98098853Ranged attacks and fliers... So only the same exact build can beat this? Also its still a full fighter, no different on the ground than in the air.>>98100225This is still a full-fledged fighter. You just need a bow and sharpshooter and aaracokra/winged tiefling (or however it is spelled). You can make a full dex fighter build outside of those three things. It is just that against anyone that does not have ultra-long range defenses. He automatically wins. Otherwise he is just a complete fighter.
btw a 17th level wizard can shapechange into a zodar to gain SU wish, ignoring all material and XP costs, which lets him create any conceivable magic item (such as a ring of infinite wishes) for free.
>>98103731No, not only the exact same build, obviously.
>>98102121An Arcane Sniper SorLock with Wind Wall.
>>98103746Yeah, Wish is a lot stronger than people think it is in 3.5 because it has a list of open ended effects the DM isn't allowed to fuck with that just work outright, including making magic items with, inexplicably, no limit to their abilities. Zodar is at least complicated the yearly restriction which may or may not apply from shapechange.
>>98103751Describe your flier ranged attacker. That is the strongest build in the game if it beats the simple fighter ranged attacker.>>98103786Anon, he is not 600ft north, he is 600ft in the sky. Windwall does not protect you from above.Also this just ends up being an RNG match, as both dps each other to death. I believe fighter has the edge though as it is tankier and has action surge.
>>98103829bone devils have greater teleport at will and ice wall at will. let's see if you can figure out how that might be used against a flying unit, or if you will once again, like a child, pretend to be incapable of reasoning when you don't like the result.
>>98090935This.>>98092221>AllUntrue. Pun-Pun only depends on an autistic application of RAW. And the write-up is very clear on that point, IIRC.>misinterpretting rulesNo misinterpretation necessary.>third party bullshitPun-Pun is all first-party.
>>98103441Work on your art, fag.
>>98103849Not in 5e they dont. Also thats not a build, thats a monster. It doesnt matter, lets imagine this monster exists in 5e and attacks the character. thats still a full-fledged fighter, he can fight back. The fact he can fly is not negative, he wouldnt do better if he was on the ground.Also when did i act like a child incapable of reasoning? Which post do you think is mine that made you feel this way? I have been very light-hearted about this
>>98103870Leave this board, gaysack.
>>98102792>>98102799NPC
>>98103905>not in the gay dumb baby edition!!as predicted, lol.
>>98103986But thats what the entire talk was about???? The first post was "in 5e flying sharpshooter is best".Are you retarded?
>>98104003Are you? LMAO
>>98103956I have been here since before the board existed. I intend to be here long after it is gone. There is nothing you can do to stoo me, newfag.
>>98105192Leave this board, gaysack.
