What's actually wrong with this?
>>98099387You better be trying to slide a puckee thread.
This is far cooler and, by requiring effort, it's far more interesting in the game.
>>98099387>>98099416You will not believe this one.
>>98099464OK but I have to pledge my body and soul to Tzeentch the evil god of mutation and magic to get this.
>>98099387For one thing, you’re asking /tg/ instead of >>>/a/ ,spedwheels
>>98099387It is only good when you quest through a city.
>>98099387Well, aside from this angel chick having wings that she could use to get around, it's kinda boring that the artist just grabbed a normal modern-day wheelchair and used that as the art reference, instead of drawing something more ornate and stylized to get across the idea it was magical.It's like casting [Magical Sword: Excalibur] and the artist draws a butter knife because they couldn't envision anything cooler.
>>98099941>'s kinda boring that the artist just grabbed a normal modern-day wheelchairNah, not only did they grab a modern day wheelchairs, they grabbed one of those one with the titled wheels that rotate in place better, and has guide rails you can use to get in and out in the front.
>>98099941>Well, aside from this angel chick having wings that she could use to get aroundHer wings can't be crippled if her other limbs are?
>>98099387I've never hated the idea of paraplegics having something in fantasy, I just hate the anachronism. There's dozens if not hundreds of ideas you could use and you pick the most boring one. It's mostly just people who can't picture the apple.
>>98099387SHE HAS FUCKING WINGS
>>98099387What isekai is this?
>>98100135Well, you could post a source to whatever manga this is from. If that's truly the case, then I'll gladly rescind the complaint.Though if it is the case, a modern-day human wheelchair is still an impractical choice if her wings also need extra support. All the more reason to take the extra care and go with a more fantastical design
>>98099941>>98100207Wings don't generate enough lift for humanoid body plans if the wing span isn't around 3-4x times the height so her wings would be absolutely useless for locomotion.
>>98100188>>98099941>>98100121You know, hate fantasy wheelchairs as much as you care, but pointing at isekai weebshit to say "that doesn't seem medieval enough!" is PROBABLY not the wisest choice of arguments.
>>98099387If you have to ask you're either too stupid or too dishonest to be worth talking to.
>>98100245Saying [Construction Deployment: Magical Wheelchair] also doesn't summon a wheelchair in real life, so that would also be useless for locomotion.
>>98100262OP's post is just an example. We're not talking about the weebshit.
>>98100262I didn't say it wasn't medieval enough. I said it was boring that the artist couldn't come up with anything better.
>>98099941>it's kinda boring that the artist just grabbed a normal modern-day wheelchair and used that as the art reference, instead of drawing something more ornate and stylized to get across the idea it was magical./threadUsing the unlimited potential of magic to summon a fucking normal, modern-day wheelchair is obnoxiously boring. Insulting, really.
>>98100293Yeah. Perhaps not too surprising, given that this seems to be from some isekai manga, and those are often lazy enough to also give the protagonist a smartphone or other modern tech, so it's not exactly an outlier.But I'd just hope people would have higher standards than isekai slop when it comes to fantasy settings.
>>98100282Same thing, really.
>>98100207Wings presumably connect to the spine so can probably be disabled like anything else. It’s funny, but an angel or harpy could definitely have useless wings.
>>98100293But you see, it's a [magic] wheelchair. It climbs chairs on its own. Through magic.>>98100301While it's not exactly isekai, it's also not what one would call "good" either.>>98100318No, her legs just got turned to crystal. She can still move, it's just painful cause they're literally stiff as a rock. Her wings technically work fine if they aren't decorative.
>>98100341Good to know. And yeah, using the wings would make a lot more sense, though a wheelchair is probably useful for getting around indoors depending on how precise her flight is. Still would be better to make the wheelchair actually look more fantastical and magical.
>>98099387I know that artstyle even if I stopped reading it a good while ago.The only reason I was reading it was for the MC's dragon thirsting for his dick, but then they went and introduces some mage chick and shoved the dragon to the background.It wasn't good, not even close, but had something to keep me entertained.Also, wheelchairs and such can make perfect sense in fantasy depending on the context, even for a character that has other modes of locomotion.Imagine trying to fly inside places meant for humans o foot, for example.
>>98100341THEN WHY AINT THE BITCH FLYING FUCKO
>>98100293If you can use that kind of magic why not just summon something that can heal you. Or carry you around.
>>98099387 true western historical party set out to slay a dragonfind dragondragon breathes fire on 2 party memebers killing them3 more are in the periphery and get 3rd degree burnshalf the party get cut up by the dragons clawsone bleeds out a day laterone of the burn victims dies of an infection 8 days after thatfollowed by another of the ones who got cut upthe remaining injured party memebers must be permanently retired due to critical injuriesone of the heroes takes his share of the hoard and slips awaythe other talks about killing the dragon and is hanged as a bandit so the inbred nobles could take credit for slaying the dragon.another 7 party members use bribery and previously set up aliances to fund a take over, ousting the noble. their total lack of knowledge beyond hacking things up means their only course of maintianing power and keeping other nobles out is to be bastards and run things with brutal efficiency, essentially the same situation the peasants had under the nobles but without providing themselves the luxury.party member that slipped away gets to not italy and becomes a mercenary band cause over there bands would protect the joint interests of adventurers (this being the historical polite term for mercenary).hires wise women from serene villages instead of retard doctors.gets dysentery survivesdoes more campaigninggets dysenterysurvivesretires7 party members that took over are killed by plague except for the "mage" who dies of dysentery and scotsman who dies from doctor treating him for too much choler due to his anger issues.all the contacts the party made die of plague or gout.
>>98100369They can, but is it so hard to try and make them look more fantastical? If you're summoning it with a spell, can't it be some shimmering artifice of crystal, glass, and/or filigree, and not something off Craigslist?
>>98100354>>98100370Definitely not disagreeing, though at least in the story they introduced this after having her display the ability to make automatically moving walkways in her own domain and then explaining the whole crystalized leg thing to show that her using a magic wheelchair is more of a compromise for leaving the house than some kind of checkmark for a cripple power fantasy. Though that's the nicest I'll be regarding the story.
>>98100370because takeoff and landing are fucking exhausting, most birds cannot hover at all.to it would be 2 and a half seconds of her zipping down a halway, colliding with the far wall and breaking her neck.DUH.
>>98100412Oh, I absolutely agree. If you are summoning, with magic, a magical something, it should be visually distinct from a mundane equivalent, for sure.But if we are talking about OP's manga, it's not generally some artistic masterpiece, so that's to be expected.
>>98100421Why doesn’t she use [Magical Construction: MV-22 Osprey]?
>>98100264exactly thats why as long as its round it will turn like a wheel. there is no difference between a joint and a toy carved form a single lump of wood.elbows can bend in either direction cause they look close enough on both sides dont think about it nerd.
>>98100439that requires advanced electromancy and a dex of 43 to earth shape the components form gold and silicates
>>98099387>>98100436>video game mechanicsUnironically worse than the combat wheelchair
>>98100421>most birds cannot hover at allAs >>98100245 pointed out, the size of the wings is insufficient for realistic flight. If she's capable of any flight, it's fundamentally fantastical, and thus using real-life birds as a basis is mismatched.
>>98100451Yep.It's that kind of story.It's legit really bad and only really exists for the power fantasy and the naked bitches.
>>98100417>Though that's the nicest I'll be regarding the story. That's the impression I'm getting. It doesn't sound like it's doing anything particularly noteworthy. The wheelchair having a boring design is just another drop in the bucket.
>>981004541 i cant tell how big the wings are in this picture2 maybe she has a different skeletal muscular structure inside, missing non essential organs, expanded lungs, a high octane diet for powering the overmuscled high twitch fibre wings.turn the camera around and her back is jacked as fuck, those arent boobs but vacume tanks that reduce her weight/volume ratio.prove me wrong.
>>981004511 absolutely.2 is it even a combat wheelchair? im pretty sure these retards are just complaining about wheelchairs being a thing.
>>98099941This sort of shit would work as a joke, if it weren't so played out. Like I could see playing an eccentric old wizard who just conjures mundane solutions to his probably, rather than going for a direct solution with his magic. Like instead of just sending a telepathic message, he summons a carrier pigeon from thin air and ties the message to it.Like if you wanted this sort of thing you could summon:>A palanquin carried by other angels/floating hands/birds/whatever>A traditional living mount like a horse>Actual magitech bullshit>Big old floating hand carrying her around like a misbehaving pet>Magic leg braces or some similar mechanism to essentially grant standard locomotion.
>>98100492No one gives a shit about regular wheelchairs, anon. If you're posting about wheelchairs on /tg/, you're talking about the combat wheelchair, because no one gives a shit about actual wheelchairs existing in a setting as long as they have the appropriate downsides (mostly issues with uneven terrain/can't move and use arms at same time)
>>98099503Yeah, I don't believe you. It sounds like fake bullshit.
>>98099941It's like casting [Magical Sword: Excalibur] and the artist draws a butter knife that would be kino
>>98100901nayrt There are many ancient images of Hephaestus seated in what are obviously winged chariots with the typical walls of the basket about around it or, like in that pic, what looks just an ordinary chair only with wheels in place of legs.Pic related is demi-god Triptolemos. His wheeled chair was often shown with wings. He wasn't crippled like Hephaestus, he just used it to go fast.>He went in a Draco (Dragon) car, and is said to have been the first to use one wheel, so as not to be delayed in his journey.While we have named wheelchairs after chairs, as you can see in that quote the vehicle Hephaestus/Vulcan travelled in was called a chariot sometimes or, as for Triptolemos above, a car. Chariot and car both come from Latin carrus. Chair comes from Latin cathedra. Either way, the idea of travelling on a chair with wheels, quite unlike a typical chariot where one stood in the basket, has existed for at least 2500 years.
>>98099387Did this happen in your latest games session? How did your table resolve this? You do play games, right?
>>98100901I guarantee we've had wheelchairs as long as we've had both chairs and wheels. Even if we're talking about examples that's shown up in roughly the same time period as DnD King Phillip II of Spain had one in 1595. That one needed to be pushed by someone else. There's also one made by a clockmaker in 1655 that could be self propelled.Neither of these are like what our modern wheelchairs looked like, but people have been revisiting this concept for probably all of human history.
>>98099387>what's wrong with thisNo sick flames on the body of the wheelchair or custom spokes. Fuck this talentless bitch.
>>98100188I mean, do consider >>98099503>>98100479>those arent boobs but vacume tanks that reduce her weight/volume ratio. >prove me wrong.I want them to be boobs because I like boobsCheckmate
>>98101430No one is angry about wheelchairs existing, but they were chairs with wheels and they were rarely easy to use or able to be mastered to a degree that the person in the chair was able to function as if they weren't crippled or missing legs.The issue has never been "wheelchairs don't belong in this fictionalized version of the past" but that modern wheelchairs, as they are designed and built today, and presented as if they are able to 100% mitigate all issues with a disability, are horrendously out of place in fantasy settings, and furthermore, extremely uncreative and boring. You could have literally anything else that feels more authentic to the style and feel of a fantasy setting, both including fantastical mobility aids, artifact prosthetics, or magical cures to being a cripple.
>>98101468That's exactly what I mean though. If you look at any depiction of the wheelchair in DnD related media it's more like OP. Not these awkward chairs with wheels bolted on them like the bronze age one.I'd also take a bit of umbrage with people playing more 'fighty' types instead of something that doesn't need to move around as much. I can see a wizard or artificer style character with a wheelchair more than a rogue or fighter.>>98101488100% agreed. There's a lot of creative solutions especially with magic, magitech, alchemy or steampunk available depending on what you have for your setting. If you're a wizard, you sit on a throne enchanted to float above the floor and move to your whim. If you're an artificer, you probably use some kind of exoskeleton that responds to your arm movements. A druid could use their animal companion to move around (Elden Ring has a really good one of these in the wolf riding albinaurics)You also would have to consider the challenges a person would experience. Some places of the world would be more wheelchair adjacent accessible than others. I want to see characters figuring out how they're interacting with the world when it doesn't fit neatly with their character.
>>98101516>I want to see characters figuring out how they're interacting with the world when it doesn't fit neatly with their character.In addition, I also want to see the worldbuilding behind specifically why this person chose this route instead of some kind of regeneration spell. Is it time limited? Were they born that way? Is this kind of spell so rare that it's an adventure in of itself? Maybe they feel that using magic to fix it is an affront to nature.There's SO Much you can explore here that isn't just a surface level 'lol combat wheelchair' sort of take. I don't know how the disability community themselves feel about these ideas considering most of them come from yuppies that add wheelchairs just for inclusion points so that everyone can pat themselves on the back.
>>98100492When I say "the combat wheelchair" I mean the concept of the combat wheelchair as platonically envisioned by /tg/, a pander-y indestructable superpowered artifact that every character, crippled or not, should be taking simply for the massive benefits it affords. Even at the peak of woke faggotry it's still less gay than "my character pulls up his stat screen and junctions new materia to change his job!"
>>98100901Its real
>>98101609Nice.Now generate another one, but with the minotaur in a wheelchair as well.
>>98099387Traditional games?
>>98101609It's incredible how badly he's holding the spear.
>>98101556You're a newfag if you don't know where that meme came from.
>>98101430>no example in ancient Greece
>>98101430>King Phillip II of Spain had one in 1595.The design is completely different from OP's.
>>98099387Are dungeons handicap accessible?
Wheelchairs only exist in games as a political statement. There is no point telling people about all the much cooler things they could be doing instead, because the point is to have a real life minority shielding them from criticism for all the other dumb shit they're doing, as is the way of the libshit.
>>98102084They exist in game because now and then a table will have a guy in a wheelchair who wants to roleplay a guy in a wheelchair instead of a guy who's magically healed his limbs for more immersion.
>>98102228It all started with a woman who isn't even truly disabled.
Nothing. I don't care about D&D.I remember one of you fuckers trying to import this drama to other boards but it didn't work because it relies too much on knowing and caring about D&D shit, when other genres or mediums have shit like the Charles Xavier's hover chair
>>98102352/v/ and all its derivatives agree with us and are the only relevant ones because there are also video games that are RPGs
>>98102228Fact check: false
>>98099387Nothing
>>98099387Bit weird to be a cripple in a setting with magical healing.Bit weird to choose to play as one in an adventure game -without- magical healing too.Adventurers tend to be known for their strategic mobility and heavily calloused feet.
>>98099387If you have magic, why the fuck wouldn't you just use that to fix your stupid legs?
>>98104073Because being a cripple is either somebody's fetish, or the core of their identity, even if it doesn't make sense.
>>98102003I couldn't find how it looked despite a lot of descriptions. Not too far off what I imagined. Definitely looks like something that needs another person to push you around.
>>98104011To be fair the "cripple of power" isn't a new thing in fantasy/adventure. Your usual cool loner dude without an eye, your Long John Silver type.
If I ever GM a campaign with someone retarded enough to play a wheelchair character the first dungeon will be "the tower of 10,000 steps" and when they go into town a cleric will forcibly cast a heal spell on their spine to cure them. There is absolutely no reason for someone to be paraplegic or quadriplegic in a setting with magical healing. If the player in question actually wasn't a wheelchair too I would just push them down the steps.
In my setting, there are spider chairs, hover chairs, and flying carpets, but no wheelchairs
>>98105865For an Infinite Staircase campaign, I'm making a wheelchair using dwarf barbarian with tree trunk arms. He lost his legs in a duel against a hated rival, so every time someone tries to heal them he chops them back off again. He's using this adventure to grow stronger so he can kill his hated rival without the use of his legs, gripping his axe in his teeth and walking on his hands if he has to.
>>98105748Got my first bj behind a long john silver’s. I gave her EXTRA tartar sauce snd malt vinegar that smoke break!
>>98106346Fascinating that your first bj was from a woman despite you being gay.
>>98099387The issue is that the magical cripple in the wheelchair is NEVER going to get booted out of the wheelchair. The disability becomes a superpower: You'll never see a crippled warrior get fucked up and die because someone breaks his wheelchair. It would be wrongthink for that to happen.
>>98106372If I had a player retarded enough to insist on playing a wheel chair warrior I would have a caster cast heat metal on the chair and burn them alive in the very first encounter.
>>98102523Someone tried to force this on /vrpg/ and it other got confused replies "just make it hover" because the OP didn't specify genre, or people telling him to go back to /tg/
0 porters - never gonna make itA civilized man will need at least two strong slaves, best four. A really rich man will get one of the Egyptian models, with air conditioning and chilled food dispenser included.
>>98101894>Traditional games?Unfortunately
>>98099387Well you posted on the wrong board for starters.
>>98100479>those arent boobs but vacume tanks that reduce her weight/volume ratio.>prove me wrong.Even if those are vacuum tanks, it's not feasible.Humans use helium or hydrogen in airships not simply because it's less dense than air but because they need a material inside the envelope of the airship or balloon to counter external atmospheric air pressure.The envelope of a hot air balloon with no hot air in it stays on the ground uninflated. Only by continually maintaining its temperature can it keep enough heated air in it with low enough relative density to stay afloat.The envelope of a blimp or dirigible would have to be made of a rigid material in order to withstand the pressure of the atmosphere and maintain a large enough volume to displace enough atmosphere to result in positive buoyancy. Such a rigid material would weigh too much compared to the volume it could maintain.Recently, like in the last couple of decades, there been investigations into using modern materials but the strength to weight ratio of them is still too low. In order to keep the walls rigid the supporting structure would have to weight more than the weight of gas displaced by the structure.If her goal was to fly under her own power she'd be better off flat chested because even as pure fat they wouldn't provide much operational time at the power levels needed. The vacuum tanks you propose would weigh more than the air they displace, they would have negative buoyancy. In order to help her fly they would have to be magic boobs of levitating.
>>98101535>disability communityAnyone who claims to be the voice of the community like that is guaranteed to be pushing a narriative.>t. has used a wheelchair, got better but it still countsAnyone who has used a wheelchair is abundantly aware of how ridiculous it is to use one in combat. Pics like >>98101609 look obviously fake even if one didn't know about AI art.I've seen a gif of an anime girl with a sniper rifle and a motorized wheelchair that kind of worked but anime has a bit of built in absurdity that RPGs don't have (inb4 Elves but no BMW?).
>>98099387Specifically here? That angel looks very elegant, like a mentor, and the artist placed her n the exact model of wheelchair designed for paraplegics to have cripple fighrs
>>98105748Eh, the one eyed man is arguably an archetype.Also, losing one eye is FAR less of a problem than being paralysed from the waist down.Even Long John's peg leg is an impediment to him in Treasure Island; he sinks in the sand and has to be helped by his men, and otherwise limps around awkwardly.Long John's main thing is his charisma and organizational skills.
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>>98102084We've had systems where disabled PCs were dime a dozen since the fucking 80s at least.
>>98104073Not every magic system functions the same. In one there's no healing, in another healing is just accelerating natural regen, in a third congenital defects don't count as injuries, in a fourth there's a timelimit or mental aspect, etc etc.Even in D&D people who can cast Regen are both meant to be crazy rare ad their services financially out of the reach of virtually anyone except rich-ass nobles and merchants. People ran numbers before, and a family of commoners would need to scrounge for like 23 years to afford one cast of Regen.An adventurer meanwhile could win big and be able to pay for a cast after a single big payday.
>>98109099I stand by my position of making the adventure "the tower of 10000 steps" and have the party attacked multiple times while hauling the invalid up with them taking 2 of them effectively out of the combat. Ideally they will get hit with a spell that pushing the chairbound character tumbling down the stairs taking 1000d6 fall damage LMAO
>>98106848Sometimes I think about what would happen to DnD if they built their image off these gormless, culturally sterile images and beliefs. If the entire world was just... The Bronx, but gaslamp fantasy.
>>98109152You can blame the influx of women into the hobby for this usurpation.
>>98109141You must be a lot of fun to play with.
>>98109176I am extremely fun to play with provided you are a chud.
>>98109176Not him, but I'm a Chud and I'm really fun to play with.
>>98109176Better to be a chud than be a leftist.
>>98099504lmao just steal one bro imagine pledging my soul to a vulture couldn't be me
>>98099387You are forcing people to be defined solely by their disability in a world of imagination where they could otherwise be anything they want. It is little more than your own self absorbed self gratification in an attempt to make yourself feel like a good person you patronizing cunt.
>>98099503>hephaestusHephaestus was never depicted in a wheelchair anon. Wheelchairs did not exist in the bronze age.Your picture is a vase depicting Triptolemus, who was not disabled, but rocked a flying horseless chariot. There's tons of pictures of him.Wherever you downloaded that image with that filename, I hope you'll remember that they're retards and not visit them again.
>>98109375Dont waste your breath. Leftists are 1st order thinkers. Its why they fall for the same arguments that have been proven wrong for the last 150 years.
>>98101609>Its real, but it's so famous nobody else has ever heard of it. Or talked about it online. Anywhere. Ever. But we talk about it all the time in my Greek myth circle, and it's totally not AI generated, because I wouldn't make up shit to win a dumb argument on 4chan.
>>98109405>Hephaestus was never depicted in a wheelchair anon.If a wheelchair means a chair on a wheel, he was.>Wheelchairs did not exist in the bronze age.The page that image you posted comes from says that pottery is from the Iron Age not the Bronze Age. It's red figure pottery so of course it's at least 500 years too late to be Bronze Age.btw someone already used a better version of that image from lower down the page it come from.Here's another image from the same site. You'll note that Hephaistos in his wheeled chair with his hammer as befits a smith, rather than the grain seen in the images of farmer god Triptolemos.>Hephaestus returns to Olympus from his exile on the shores of the river Oceanus riding a winged chariot-car or chair. The chair is decorated with the heads, wings and tail of a crane. The god carries a double-headed smith's mallet.
>>98102228"My fantasy is to play a guy in a wheelchair, just like I am in real life, but this guy is also an elf!"
