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Monk for my barons war outremer band. Just made up what's on the shield.
>>98108748Archeologist, actually.>>98108832Looking good!
Knight with a trumpet, heraldry of Richard the lionheart during the 3rd crusade.>>98108864Thanks
warlord games are starting to add 28mm crew to their tank kits, but the tanks themselves are still the old italeri kits..
>>98108877Different view.>>98108878Oof
>>98108878>oldNo bolt action plastic kit is older than 15 years, which is "recent" in scale modelling terms.Also not all those kits are made by italeri. In fact, the oldest kits were done by warlord (in conjunction with PSC) and are manufactured by renedra. Italeri was commissioned to make more kits at a later stage.
Glad to see the thread is back ladsWorking on some infantry for Grunwald. It's surprisingly difficult to find late 14th/ early 15th century stls, especially for 15mm
Best system to play Fallujah, Mugadeishu, Afganistan? Even better if it supports 15mm
>>98108567>TQI've been pretty consistantly drubbed recently, so I'm having to cast my mind back a bit, but I played a mirror match of SAGA, Irish against Irish. I managed to bait my opponent forward with a hail of sling stones, enabling me to get the first round of javelins thrown out. I got some good dice rolls and wiped a unit of warriors out pretty quickly, and then just kept the momentum going.Thanks for making a new thread OP, always nice to see the "Today in History" being done as well.>>98108832Looks really nice anon, I particularly like the freehand on the shield.>>98109085I've heard some good stuff about Force on Force and Ambush Alley, particularly for 15mm. I quite like Skirmish Sagin, but it's almost RPG esque in that you roll up all your soldiers, which is a massive faff for larger games or when you just want to get models down on the table.
>>98108878Its a completely new plastic kit to replace the old resin panzer 2.
>>98109065Can't you resize most stls?t. CluelessNice paint job!>>98109309Good Irish! What's next?
>>98109780Thanks!You can shrink them (the ones I posted were originally 30mm), but realistically proportioned models can end up quite fragile once downscaled. The tacking on the horses I printed are a particularly annoying, they break if you look at them funny."Native" 15mm models usually have bigger hands, equipment etc to compensate.
newfag here, where can I get maps on the scale of a Total War skirmish? For a few blobs to clash.
>Got some Warlord Japanese infantry to fight my US Muhreens.>Only have a surface level understanding of how the Japanese armed forces operated in WWII>Usually err on the side of historic composition rather than competitive edge.Are the Osprey books in the OP a good enough starting place to work on a platoon? I've had mixed results with them in the past as sources of specific information like squad composition.
>>98109085>>98109309I'm considering peter pig USMC minis since I would like to paint them with desert camo and use them mainly for insurgency games, and cold war gone hot as a second thought. The thing is the USA army, marines, rangers etc have a bazillion squad configurations. Any recomendatioms if I aim to use flames of war bases? 5 or 4 man medium bases and 3 to 1 man small bases.
>>98111097Additionally when did they stop using this uniform?
>>98111248Looks like a combination of PASGT with Alice rig which would have been used for quite a short period of time in the 80's, as the alice rig was phased out and replaced with the LBV-88 in the late 80's
I've got a fever and the only thing that can cure it is a 6mm Hind.My Heroics and Ros basket is waiting for payday.
>>98112114Based and correct.You're gonna love painting up those tiny helis
>>98112114Ebin>>98114373I remember when you originally shared these, what happened to the time...
Is there a good ruleset for doing Cold War era (WW2/modern is fine too) air engagements? Looking for a more military simulator one from a commander's perspective than mechwarrior in the air.
Thinking of starting Pillage as a first hwg. Probably gonna do Irish/Celts, and my buddy with Saxons. Anyone with experience in this game? Looks like fun.
>>98115764I'm also in the market for this. A more operational game, particularly I'm interested in SEAD, and the cat and mouse game between AGM and SAM. Ideally I'd like quite a bit of hidden information, dummy SAM sites and hidden deployment conditions type of stuff.The OP has a good amount of Aero stuff but not the game Missile Threat which was written by a /hwg/ regular. Go buy it if it seems up your alley.Also read this: https://armchairdragoons.com/airboss-minis/
>>98116046it's really cool and straightforward, makes lots of sense. remember that movement is i go u go, shooting i go u go and melee is simultaneous and player with initiative chooses which brawl goes first, which comes handy by the way to solve any type of 2 on 1 , 3 on 1 combat that might arise in case that single guy is still alive
WIP of some 15mm Germans, still have to varnish and finish the bases. I have a finished one in the background with the static grass applied but I'm started to think that static grass looks a bit bright (especially at 15mm)I found an old Flames of War starter set in my attic from years ago, I prefer skirmish scale games so ive individually based them with a plan to use them for Bolt Action or Chain of Command. >>98108895Love the minatures! I've been eyeing up the Barons war, looks like a fun game. Have you played it much?
>>98114373Sick. I am trying to find soviet STLs because although tanks are reasonable priced, their helis are a fiver a piece and don't even include rotors.
>>98116368Those look great, anonI've been thinking of doing similar with my FoW Vietnam. What size bases did you use?
>>98116288I’m actually surprised its not AA, being a skirmish game. But that doesn’t really bother me.
>>98116542Thanks! I used 15mm diameter (M5) steel washers, very cheap and magnetic
>>98116545yeah right? but no, It's move all , move all, shoot all , shoot all. Simultaneous Melee but in order chosen by player who won iniative
>>98116242Exactly. I want to do some Wild Weasel stuff.
>>98116647Thank you kindly for the information. I'll see how they turn out when I get the chance and maybe do similar for future 15mm projects as well.
>>98112114>>981143736mm Cold War gone hot is a truly goated scale.>>98111097Most of the games recommended up thread make more sense for single basing as they're individual model removal (befitting of NATO in the Sandbox). Can't be much help with multibasing systems for that period unfortunately.>>98110774They're fairly decent. Might be worth looking at the platoon compositions in the Far East chain of command books, they are generally very well researched.>>98110409Do you mean a flat terrain map? and at what scale would be the key question. I know that for 6mm games a friend of mine has had a good time with just printing out interesting areas off of Google Maps at A1 paper.
Nice to see the thread back and people remembering the joy of shared interests and good conversation. Long may it continue!
>>98114373Looking good, what's your base size for the MBTs? I'm assuming fine sand and static flock plus the occasional lump?
>>98116368>playOhohoHoHoHOHOHOHONo, I've just backed all the kickstarters and work on painting them. Check out the official Barons War FB group.
>playing chain of command>my german schutzen have a meeting engagement with a french infantry platoon>bring a bunch of half tracks and a panzer 3>planning to rush up the board with lots of light armor>suddenly a french renault tank shows up>gets a lucky shot and kills my panzer>shoots a glancing blow at the lead halftrack>causes the driver to panic and drive forward 18" right into a stone wall>french infantry keep tossing grenades inside>tank keeps shooting them>morale cracks as my flanks take losses trading with french infantry>squad up front is totally slaughtered
>>98121028Common gaulic W
WIP for my Heraclius of Jerusalem or any high ranking clergyman for the period around the third crusade. Couldn't find any heraldry at all so I ended up using the current Latin patriarchy's heraldry.
>>98121028lul. which ruleset anon?
>>98108567Nice to see the thread is back, even though it's dying already. I'm starting work on my Hellenistic Successors, just generic forces so far and nothing painted yet.
>>98127056Have any photos to share?
Victrix kits are really modular when you get used to them.
>>98128618I'm still waiting on their Franks. It's been ages.
>>98128780My buddy that paints historical art for a living really dislikes their dark ages kits, usually it's sloppy or just plain wrong research done by them.
>>98128780Personally I'm more into their non-European and classical era kits.
>>98128804He belongs to a very tiny, but specific group of of people who care about such things and he is 100% not their target audience.
>>98128804A lot of historical minis are sculpted right off Osprey book illustrations. The fireforge knight kits can be built exactly like the pictures.Naturally if the Osprey book was written in 1984 the research isn't going to be current
>>98111248>>98111896>alice rig was phased out and replaced with the LBV-88 in the late 80'sThat is incorrect. LBV-88 entered trials in 1986 and was adopted in 1988 but you wouldn't see it outside of the 7th ID, 82nd Airborne and SOF until after the Gulf War. 93/94 was when it finally eclipsed ALICE in general issue. Pic related is 82nd Airborne in the Gulf War, they were one of the first units to adopt LBV having been involved with the 1986 field trials. If you look over pictures of the 82nd Airborne during the war, you will notice ALICE is still dominant. Once adopted, the Army takes its sweet fucking time to actually issue equipment.>Looks like a combination of PASGT with Alice rig which would have been used for quite a short period of time in the 80'sIn general you could use this particular look from 1983 to 1987 for elite Army units (Airborne, RDF) 1985 to 1990 for regular Army and from 1988 up until 1999 for the National Guard. The biggest limitation is the M16. The Army adopted the A2 in 1986 and started phasing out the A1 in 1988. By 1990 the A2 was general issue but you would still see a few Army units (support/supply) still rocking the A1 through about 94/95. National Guard mostly phased out the A1 by 1999 but you would still see some guardsmen with the A1 even after 9/11. For the Marines you could pretty much only use these figures for 1984. The USMC had just adopted the PASGT helmet & M16A2 in 1983, they rapidly phased out the A1 and by 1985 you would really only see it with Marine reservists.
>>98128908Ye, Victrix is essentially the new Warlord. Just shitting out badly researched kits to get the Warhammer refugees. Warlord might as well rename themselves to Bolt Action + at this point.>>98129398Sadly yes. I believe Aventine Miniatures had the best and most up-to-date research, at least for the ancient periods.
Which games are good for combined arms 6mm modern/cold war skirmishes? I want to play solo with low model counts and keep my infantry squads to single stands. Kinda similar to battletech.Cold War Commander seemed alright but I want the option to use my jets and helis and apprently that game treats them as offboard supports.Team Yankee and Northag is what google is suggesting.
>>98130303Surprised at heli's being off-table; I'm not an ultramoderns player myself but the games I've seen have had them buzzing around. The two-winged master race, however, only ever seen them used as a token to mark the attack position and to calculate any AA firing lines, so you might have to hunt for that.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bavariaminiatures/clash-of-eaglesAnyone seen this? Some of the sculpts look a bit strange imoAnyone do the franco-prussian war here?
How do I break free of historical color future proofing concerns?I know Ak and Vallejo acrylics often follow the rlm, fs etc. color codes so there will be easy acrylic replacements but I’m not sure about metallic colors of where there is a standard.Help me bros. Is there a “standard” like fs for metallic paints?
>>98130303Helicopters engage the enemy kilometers away for a moment and then pull back as soon as possible. Team yankee is not a functional game. Battlegroup northag, 7 days to the river rhine, a fist full of tows, chain of command has a fan made cold war mod, chain of command has an official cold war mode coming at some point. I'm still looking for battlegroup centag or omnibus scans.
>>98108567Anyone know if there are any Napoleonic Wars/Pike and Shot/Linebattle skirmish games in 28mm?If not I have a great idea for a game
>>98133471It was basically just ripping off the Pillage rules and name changing everything to fit a Napoleonic Wars theme
>>98132993Do any of those support low model count skirmishes? Northag and FFT doesn't. I am talking about 4-12 stands/units per side.
I'm looking to paint some germans for late war west front and I am actually quite befuddled as to what colors to use. Picrel shows them in very clear green uniforms. But every paintscheme guide I found online points to feldgrau (with acknowledgement that later into the war it would be more braun-ish than grau proper)? Also would grenadiers wear camo-patterned uniforms or only these tent-ponchos?
Finished the bishop/cardinal.
>>98133772Very nice, based kebab remover.
>>98133595Chain of command fan made cold war mod. Force on force. Battlegroup fan made cold war mod. Those support low model counts the fan made ones are very well done. Northag will get an oficial port to the lower model count of battlegroup at some point in the future.
>>98133595>>98133797Also ak47 republic from peeter pig.
>>98133772Cool shield anon>>98133797>>98133803Thanks anon, checking them out now
>>98133803heh
>>98132240Just learned of ammo by mig’s cobra scale model for cars paints.The lineup includes colors that are kind of “standard” for metallic paintjobs.How are those metallics?
>>98133705They were wearing field grey but the actual colour varies so much due to fading and different factories using different dyes etc The image attached shows the variety of Field Grey.I believe late war they had a mixture of ponchos and hooded camo jackets along with standard field grey stuff underneath.
>>98133705First thing you need to understand is that "grenadiers" in the wehrmacht sense was a general term for every soldier in the infantry during late war. And every german soldier had the zeltbahn-poncho, because it was literally their tent, and also rain-protection. If camo cloth was issued, a whole unit would get it, not individual soldiers. If the unit you want to portrait was newly built, or refitted in france 44, then chances were they had lots of camo gear. If its troops from one of the various security divisions chilling in france ever since 1940, they most likely had less camo gear.
Can I use those guys both as Russian assaulters and Ukrainian defenders? I'm a cheap guy so I'd freaking love that.
>>98135404I don't think any of the combatants use this kit except the Russians in the initial suicide train to Kyev. Wargaming the later stages of the war is going to be insane, Ukrainian machine gun ground drones, arial drones for both sides, Russian convict suicide meat, Russian cavalry suicide troops, Russian suicide golf cart troops, Russian motorcycle suicide troops and Russian circus vehicles in general. The fucking Russian suicide electric bike troops.
>>98119848Seconding.
>>98109780I've got a few projects on the go. On the painting desk are some 15mm German vignettes on 40mm rounds to use as JOPs for Chain of Command, and I'm currently basing up some of Warlord's Epic Celts on 40x80 bases to use for Midgard.>>98128908There's dozens of us, dozens! Victrix's stuff is really nice, but random inaccuracies that are pretty basic on most kits, particularly the dark ages line, is a shame.
>>98128613Nope. It's just some unpainted and half-finished Victrix kits at the moment anyways.
>>98128908Who is the target market? People that are interested but not too much? They're otherwise good sculpts, no reason not to make them more accurate as well and capture people that will now be spending their money elsewhere. With all the time and money it takes to get a plastic kit into production there's no good reason not to find somebody to sign off on the preliminary sketches.Imagine if somebody fumbled something you were interested in and some wet tissue of a man replied with incredibly limp, "why bother" apologism. You put about as much effort into going in to bat for Victrix as they did with their research.
>>98130303You could check out Hind & Seek. Helicopters are on table, although designed for asymmetrical warfare in Afghanistan.Fixed wing support is more abstract - calling in strikes and maybe getting what you need, maybe not.
>>98132240>>98134039Isn’t it alright to count on Vallejo and Ak to mimic the tamiya metallic colors?How close to Ak 3rd gen gunmetal to the tamiya gunmetal?
>>98135583It’s a skirmish game because there are 10-20 guys per side. But the map represents KMs of frontline.Each round roll a 1d61 - Someone survives2-5 - Remove a module from a drone attack (stack them negative modifiers)6 - Remove 2 models because someone died of hyperthermia, got caught out in the open going to the toilet or the drone hit two people.Just straight dice rolls for attacking as a group. Same rules.
>>98137408That plus the game never ends.
>>98136496>People that are interested but not too much? Exactly. The average Wargamer, who is interested in history, but not deep enough, so he never reads anything more advanced than osprey books or watches some history channel or follows some YouTubers. It might suck for you if you are super deeply invested in a certain period of history, but the majority of people buying these miniatures is not, and therefore victrix can get away with some inaccuracies.
Redpill be on 6mm >considering Baccus 6mm Rome vs Carthage Hail Caesar army pack>are there enough figures there to field two good looking forces on the tabletop>any better manufacturers?>better game systems?Currently have 28mm ancients, but the scale makes no sense for the mass battles of the day. I want giant fucking battles with tons of guys crashing into each other.
The old guard is dying but a whole generation of Millennial is coming of age and the recession is burning your average Zoomer's fantasy budget. Let's be smart and make a "starter pack" serie together /hwg/.>Name 1 ruleset, free or free on the high seas is a must.>Name 1 plastic box, enough for two players and below $50.Once we have enough we'll make a pastebin or a pdf guide.I'll start.Ravenfeast: http://www.ravenfeast.com/Plastic Vikings: SAGA Viking Starter Warband (cheaper but no archers) or Victrix Viking Warband (pricier but with archers).
>>98137972>get awayI mean, I'm the one complaining but I don't think they're malicious. They're just ignorant boomers like their customer base. Probably using the same Osprey's they bought back in the 80's for their research. There's honestly no excuse in this day and age to still use Osprey's though. If you're a company then contact an expert for help, more often than not they're also wargamers.
>>98138480>No excuse for Osprey.Ease of access. You know it's a thing, you know where to buy it. The next publisher I can think of with such a comprehensive collection would be Helion & Company but I don't know if they fare better or worse.
>>98139259>The next publisher I can think of with such a comprehensive collection would be Helion & CompanyI've never heard of them, so there is that.I know it sucks, if you are deeply into a specific thing, and nobody else seems to care, but thats just inevitable once you reach a certain degree of knowledge. But you still have to accept that most other people, even in the same sphere of interest or hobby, do not invest as much time or effort.
>>98108877>>98108878>men horse and truck, by the Lord were struckvery appropriate pictures to have posted next to one another. The march to ascalon and jaffa and the retreats in the desert russia.
Will we ever learn what these wild inaccuracies of victrix sets actually are?
>>98124241Chain of Command 2e using the Blitzkrieg 1940 Theater Book
>>98140039My buddy tells me everything essentially when it comes to the dark ages kits. A lot of outdated reconstructions, reenactment shit used, sometimes even brohalla larp stuff is used, fictional haircuts and beards, wrong armor and weapons, almost everything leather related is wrong etcThe Carolingians are essentially pure fantasy, the Anglo-Saxons are really odd and the Rus use fictional reenactment stuff not used historically. Their latest Irish kit has fictional History Channel haircuts.
>>98139431The struggle is definitely real for autists. They have a specific kind of interest they can devote hours of research for months if not for life. Then they meet someone that says they also have an interest in it so they bright up for a minute or two before realizing it's only surface level knowledge and nothing the same.Anyway. If you're into the business of making minis I can understand you're already fighting with spreadsheets and projections and supply issues and being behind on your email, etc. So going the easy way and looking at Osprey for your next sculpt instead of tracking the most up to date specialist on this specific era, only for said specialist to be treated with disdain by old farts that refuse new informations, plus being heavily challenged by other specialists that have a saying on his last book... It just makes sense as a business. If anything the blame is on Osprey for not living up to its reputation.>>98140063Cheers. I was wondering if it was 1e or Big CoC (lul).
>>98140126>History ChannelSpace Irish. Nice.
>>98140197Osprey isn't the best but they're not that bad. But you can see where Victrix used Angus McBride paintings.
>>98138185I'm a zoomer and here's what I did with money from yardwork a few years ago:>1 Perry Sudan British>1 Perry Afghans>1 Wargames Atlantic AfghansAlthough in hindsight I'd probably advise 2 Perry Afghans. This gives about enough for TSATF, more if you use half-size units. It's more than $50 but it is what I did
>>98140229They're the best in my book. Their stuff is free everywhere on the Internets. Like this pdf of Hide, Stone and Bones for example:gofile(dot)io/d/Iy7wLh
>>98140541Eh, your loss.
>>98140568Recommend me better already.
>>98137975Their Early Imperials are damned good (no pics, sadly; had to sell them a while back), and while I didn't get the equivalent of the army pack on their site, they looked ace when ranked up together. I'd imagine their Republicans are much the same.Other manufacturers off the top of my head; Heroics and Ros had a good reputation, Irregular Miniatures were... cheap. Rules-wise, I only dabbled in DBA and DBM, the other set at the club was WRG 6th so I can't comment on more modern sets.
I've been going through one of those hobby interest droughts - I get them every 2 years or so. You know the ones, you pick up a box of a new game, look at the models for a little while and then it's suddenly on eBay because you can't either find the time or motivation (or motivation to find the time) to do anything with it. You plan a list for the game, and then realise how much you've got to do to get to a basic start point, or you want to buy the starter box of something and there's too much in there that doesn't excite you, or the faction/style you want to play is total dogshit and not worth embarking on.I want something interesting, historical, engaging and new that's going to capture my interest. Doesn't even have to be a wargame, just hobby related.Please help me /hwg/
>>98140635Just look at primary sources such as murals, textile finds etc. I also recommend looking for the top reenactors or experts.
>>98141050You see Anon, and i dont mean this as an offense: Most people in this hobby just want to paint some nice looking minis, and roll some dice, while pretending its a battle between saxons and irish or something.
>>98141063Ye no worries, I'm the one painting knights and I've never even read a book about the subject.
>>98109065...and done! Decided to make them Brandenburgers>>98135404God Ratnik kit looks so sexy. >>98137975Baccus minis are really nice, just be aware they are a classic 3 blokes in a (large) shed operation and getting your minis delivered can take a while
>>98138185Ravenfeast looks fun and perfect to introduce people to the hobby. Thanks Anon
>>98140927What sort of stuff have you done previously? I don't want to recommend, say, Napoleonics if that's all you've done for the last few years.>>98140039Copied from a previous thread about Pic Related;>There's a decent amount unfortunately. Leather edging on maille did not exist during this period, thick padded gambesons likewise didn't exist. Any maille with a maille hood built in would have had a ventail, and the weirdly large hoods on some of the armoured minis don't make a lot of sense. The maille they wear is also quite baggy: historically maille was almost always form fitting to provide the lightest weight for the maximum amount of protection. Scale armour had also completely vanished from Western Europe by this point in time. I'm not going to get on to exact models of helmet and belt buckles and stuff, but they're not perfect, which is a shame as it's all fairly obvious stuff. I imagine Victrix did it to add visual interest, as otherwise it's just lots of bodies in tunics or maille, but we are doing historicals. >>98138185The new Perry Spaniards vs French Peninsular War box is £35, and gives you roughly 30 each of each side, so works well for games such as Chosen Men and can be expanded for use in Sharp Practice.The larger two player Flames of War starter sets such as Fortress Europe can be picked up for under £50, and provide two easy beginner forces for Chain of Command in 15mm once you individual base the infantry and with a bit of thought to make some extra support options from the spare infantry, such as Machine guns and sniper teams.
>>98141451Look great, anon!
>>98141050No that's not a reasonable answer. A one stop shop like Osprey will always top that infinite quest of yours for 90% of humanity, up to 100% when money is involved.Looking who's the expert in a field is already up to unending debate. I was at an archeologist gathering the other day and one of the guest was arguing a collar from prehistoric time was in fact a stellar map. The public loved his presentation and was sold on his theory but you could tell his colleagues were seething and having none of it.So has much as I appreciate your answer on a theory level, on practice it feels like your weaseling your way out because it's answering without answering.No useless fighting, just my 2 pieces of cents (worth nothing nowaday aye aye).
>>98140420Do you remember if the Afghan box has enough non firearm options to make an all melee force? If yes we might pair that box with Tribal wargame and call it a day.>>98141989>Perry's Skirmish in a Box + Chosen Men.Thanks anon. Do you need any other box to expand into Sharp Practice or is it more of a rulesweight consideration?>FoW Fortress Yurop + CoCDouble thanks! I was thinking of Victrix's 12mm pack for WWII skirmishes but haven't checked the price yet. Might be pricier as Victrix tends to be.>>98140927Ancient and Medieval Wargaming by Neil Thomas is a funny read on the context with some really light but hackable rules at the end. There's no definitely no motivation or energy needed with that one. It's a good start for baby stepping into the wargaming world and a good finish line when you reach the end of your simulationist journey and understand it's all fun and games on topic we'll never be truly sure of. The only downside is a lack of Quick Reference Sheet.
>>98144053>Do you need any other box to expand into Sharp Practicenot that anon but you could manage with the box, but would ideally need a bit more
Does anyone here have a clue where I can find information on housing in the levant during the middle ages?
>>98146120Are you asking what houses would look like or what kind of cookware or pottery was popular at a particular time?
>>98146166Buildings.
>>98138185Can play Greathelm with a box of foot knights from WGA.
>>98144053>All melee force?Yes, absolutely. It would be all swords/knives but that is at least on brand
>>98147306Sweet. Tribal is only differentiating between short and long weapons so if the swords/knives thing is a real split it's a go. If it's just you struggling to find the right description then maybe there's enough shields per sprue to use that as a differentiation instead.
Anyone used Midgard Heroic Battles for medieval wargaming? Planning on running a Grunwald 1410 game and looking at rules systems.
>>98150034I'm all in for imagiNations being part and parcel of /hwg/ but a game of heroic deeds with trolls and dragons in the background is where I draw the line myself.This battle is one of the biggest in medieval Europe. What scale do you plan to use? If you want to go large you can check into Swords of God or Sword & Spear.
>>98150553Anon, it's for mythical, fantasy and historical battles. LittleWarsTV has used it for gaming Helms Deep and Bosworth without issue.
>>98150553I'm doing the figures at 18mm, 80x40mm basing for infantry and a bit deeper for cavalry. I'm putting on the game for a few friends with varying experience in wargaming so the reputation system and emphasis on heroic deeds sounded like something to get them more invested into the game.I'll check out those games you recommended though, I've played a lot of napoleonics but only really tried Lion Rampant when it comes to medieval stuff
Anyone have a version of Bolt Action or Konflict 47 that's actually good and doesn't make me want to slit my wrists while playing?
>>98150844If it's for friends it should be good enough no worries. Take a look at SAGA if you never did. It's a bit more gamey so if they enjoy /bgg/ they'll be at home.
Can anyone provide me with the Bolt Action 3rd edition rulebook and army books? I've been asking in the share thread for a couple of days and the post, sadly, is passed over. I have the third edition rulebook already, but digital is definitely my preference.Many thanks anons.
Have my english and french early 1400s done, but not sure what my next project should be? Its a bit of an investment to get into a wholly new period, so maybe I should focus on expanding what I have for late 100 years war? then again Variety is the spice of life...So I could expand my late 100 years war, a few more heavy cavalry to bluk up the french perhaps, or maybe I could try for the English civil war or 30 years war? decisions, decisions...
>>98152994Update: I got the files I needed, thanks anyway anons, happy gaming!
>>98152994the more and more I play this system, the more and more i dislike it. Truly the vanilla paste of historical wargaming.
>>98154016I imagine I'll eventually find myself in the same boat as you, but this is really my first outing into historicals, so I'm starting with the most generic and easy-to-do way I can think of.
Dubs picks the scale, WW2 theatre, faction and time period I collect and play
>>98156541Oh for sure. It’s a good intro and nice way to get yourself painting minis.
>>981573106mm, Poland, Poland, Early WarArmored Trains
>>9815731020mm, eastern front Leningrad, Soviets, 1941.
'tis rather fun
>>98157394My brother and I have actually got the starter set on the way. It looks casually fun.
>>98157394It's not some super in-depths tank combat game that gets into the gritty details of armored warfare, but it is rather fun, yes :)
>>98157361Look at it protecting its kids!
>>98157394Its indeed fun. Twice so, if you actually play or played WoT, and you will recognize all the equipment cards.
>>98157394>>98157454>>98157699Sell me on it.>>98157439Let me know what you think, anon. Been curious about it for a while.
>>98150553I guess they probably should have put some commas in "Historical Legendary and Fantasy Battles". It's a list of options, you don't have to do all those at the same time in each game.
I miss the anon immediately posting the same eternal picture of Midgard's author with his gay buttsex lover when someone mentioned the game. This thread is a parody of itself. A walking corpse.If anyone is looking for me I'll be painting some minis, thinning my paints with my tears.
>>98153151Looks great dude.If you start a new project you can always add to your current one if you need a break
>>98157394This is a rebranding of Tanks and both versions are fucking trash.
>>98158088>Let me know what you thinkWill do homie
>>98161024What's your favorite lightweight tank game?
>>98114373Basado
Now that the dust is settling down, which ones do /hwg/nards dislike more?
>>98161024>This is a rebranding of Tanks and both versions are fucking kino rulesetsFtfy!
>>98162142Top one is easily the best by far, thanks to the dogs being dogs alone. The rest is a nice bonus.
>>98150034I've played a con game in the medieval period using Midgard and it worked pretty well. It's obviously more "heroic" than some other systems, but for getting minis on the table and a quick teach it works a treat desu. I'm currently basing up some gauls using 80x40 bases to do some Roman games.>>98152295Chain of Command>>98153151Looks great anon! I'd lean towards variety personally, but you could always throw in some different units from the same period like Irish kern, peasant mobs or early pike to mix it up a bit.>>98161451What a Tanker! is a lot of fun, but may edge slightly out of the lightweight catagory.>>98162142I've painted a lot of the WGA Irish and have a box of the Victrix on order, so I'll do a proper comparison when they're all finished,
>>98162142Its interesting to see that there seems to be such a big market for Dark Age plastics. Whats the appeal of half naked men with beards that its justified to release set after set?
>>98108567Does anyone know if warlord/Bolt Action plan to make campaign books for v3? I love the idea of those type of books and adds tons of flavour
>>98165048If you're doing one of those armies in a non-element-based game, you're probably going to need a LOT of them. Variation is good. Besides, half-naked bearded nutter with a sword or spear covers an awful lot of European history - especially at tabletop distance (local fashion idiosyncracies aside).
>>98165048Bongs are obsessed with their own boring history.
>>98165151>Besides, half-naked bearded nutter with a sword or spear covers an awful lot of European historyThat much is clear. What is still fascinating to me is that apparently there needs to be a plastic set (several for some even) for every semi-relevant tribe, when in the end the difference between Picts, Irish and Welsh or whatever is maybe some beads in their beards.
>>98165240Oh no no, they're very different from each other. It's debatable if they're interesting but they're very much different.
>>98133471Lords and Servants does up to early Pike and Shot, and Smooth and Rifled does Blackpowder. Both are great skirmish games.
>>98141989>thick padded gambesons likewise didn't existWhile they where probably not as thick as later ones, I would be surprised if gambesons or equivalent did not exist, padded armour predates the iron age and is very effective for the relatively cheap material investment it requires. Having worn maille, I guarantee that anyone wearing it would have had dome form of padding beneath it, thick enough to absorb at least a sword blow or spear thrust. That shit hurts, remember that even if it can't cut you, a sword is still a big metal bar.
>>98165377Sure, they are different. Not gonna dispute that, i just find it strange that out of all historical periods, dark ages seems to enjoy so much attention when it comes to miniatures, while other periods do not get as many (or even just one) sets, while providing way more distinct differences between the factions.
>>98165512I think it's a case of a gap in the market (I don't remember many apart from Gripping Beast even mentioning many metals even, a while back) being successfully exploited (again, GB) and then a lot of others realise that hey, early medieval IS popular outside of Hastings after all. Over-simplifying, sure, but that's how I recall it seemed a few years ago.
>the same tedious churn over minor details>the same misunderstanding that these aren't games people play for enjoyment>some grandstanding about Britain, in English, with no suggested alternativeTake the cake out of the oven. Boy it sure does suck having such a wide range of cool miniatures and rules sets. Why do we even need different tribes for games set in Dark Age Europe? Just use clothespegs.
Started on a unit of knightcels>>98165022That's good to hear, did you add any house rules? I was considering removing the single combats and allowing infantry to pass through massed archers to allow for deployment of crossbowmen etc in front of the main infantry line
>>98165564>Dark Age Europe.L.O.L. Try Dark Age U.K instead. We can start to discuss your point when the Carolingians are out.This anon >>98165171 is correct.
>>98165022>I've painted a lot of the WGA Irish and have a box of the Victrix on order, so I'll do a proper comparison when they're all finished,Please remember to share, I've been holding off decision to start Irish warband for a year now awaiting this set, would love to have some help picking with which to go.
>>98165678>Continentals on the horizon, still no alternatives suggested>Vikings, Normans and late Romans and Saxons don't count for some raisinToo many whiners
>>98165777but it's not fair that no one is making muh visigoths, ostrogoths and bussigoths
>>98165787>the Late Roman kits literally have parts for this on the sprueThe Romans were just employed Goths at this point
Best game that lets me play the Byzantine Empire? Ideally a skirmish game but I'll take whatever I can get at this point.
>>98166889SAGA probably
>>98165171Unlike burgers, they had actual history.
>>98165678>dark age>UK
>>98108878He's sticking out the top because he simply cannot fit inside
>>98116545Why would it be? It's engine is based off of MESBG
>>98167824>It's engine is based off of MESBGElaborate, I'm a total newbie in these waters. NTA btw
>>98131537That poor guy announced those and said he did Zouavres and stuff to fill the gaps in the Perrys Franco-Prussian war range, and then the Perrys announced their Zouavres like two days later. Talk about bad luck for that guy
>>98132993>helicopter engage kilometers away I have seen with my own two eyes, a helicopter nose down firing rockets at the enemy right below him, in the mountains of north Helmand
>>98167892He's talking about modern warfare such as Ukraine and hypothetical hot wars in the fulda gap. Afghanistan was just Americans killing innocents and dying for the Jewish MIC.
>>98165603Very cute, anon.
>>98136496The Hollywoodifation of historical wargaming is the biggest blight on the hobby. It's dominated by boomers who want to play out their favorite scenes from A Bridge Too Far or John Wayne shit. It is literally impossible to play a Napoleonic skirmish game without some faggot boomers non-stop repeating overdone and unfunny Richard Sharpe quotes. The worst of all is when actual rulesets are written with the boomer pop culture stereotypes of the period instead of historical accuracy. That's who Victrix is targeted for, people who want to play Hollywood history and not actual history
>>98150034Nevermind the Billhooks is perfect for 1410 and was make with the 1400s in mind.
>>98167932It always has been like that.
>>98167844The author said he loved GWs Middle Earth Lord of the Rings game when he was a kid so he used it as a base for Pillage. They play very similar
>>98167844In case you dont know, MESBG is regarded as the best game GW ever released. At least by some. Others know that that game is Bloodbowl. Regardless of that, MESBG has a very good ruleset, so mentioning it as the backbone behind pillage is meant to tell you: Pillage is good.
Midguard Heroic Battles author, James Morris and his husband Nigel
>>98168058I've missed you King. Welcome home.
>>98168058jesus christ is this what happens to twinks after they hit 40?
>>98168347You've never heard of Twink Death? It hits harder than Lesbian Bed Death.
>>98135404I love that kit. They are very clearly early war Russians, cannot be used for Ukrainians.
>>98168419Noice. Where are you from? I was surprised to find it online here in Western Europe since it's mostly slav runes on the box.
>>98168834It's made by Russian manufacturers, but thankfully Empress Miniatures sells it somehow. Not sure how they get ahold of it, but it's only available on their site intermittently and they remove it when their supply is out
>>98157388Awesome dubs, if he uses Chain of Command he can use the 1941 armylists I made for V2https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Km6PXYSPD6PJIzneKXR4D8Xgl-GMjBe6
>>98168834>>98168883Serendipity or tracking my toy soldier searches, but for anyone into 28mm plastic moderns I've had some adverts pop up on my phone recently for a "Warfront Studio" who are trying to launch some kits. Not my 'thing' so I can't comment on how they look, but it's warfront.co.uk if anyone's mildly curious.No connection to them, I just know what it's like to have an obscure interest that you can't find any options for...
>>98168419It's dudes with AKs. Ofc they can be used for Ukrainians.
>>98168058Their foreplay is wargaming, living the dream!
>>98169722I think I found Victrix target audience
How's the new Pike and Shotte Ottoman book? Because the army list for them in the main book is so underwhelming.
>>98169912I have no issue with Victrix models. Do you?
>>98165469Are they available again?Dadi e Piombo stopped selling online because of EU tax rules
Does anyone know if the WGA Gladiator sprue has a release date? Thinking of putting some together for a Spartacus slave revolt project.>>98165484There's no physical or textural evidence for them during this period in Britain/Northern Europe. It's more likely that particularly thick wool tunics were worn rather than padded garments to offset heavy impacts. If your maille fits properly (which it should, even if it's a complete ballache to tailor) you don't suffer from that need to be the michelin man underneath.>>98165603I honestly played it pretty much by-the-books. I like the sound of allowing units to move through skirmishers and vice versa, maybe make them suffer a hit if they do that to represent it disrupting the formations? Single combat is pretty integral to the flow of the game when I've played, and did happen historically, so I'd think it's fine to leave in.>>98165722Will do anon, it'll probably be a week or two.
>>98170731>As stand-alone cloth armour, the European gambeson can be traced at least to the late tenth century, but it is likely to have been used in various forms for longer
I'm sorry it's very difficult these pedantics about exact hairdo supposedly not matching historical evidence or exact type of helmet not being 100% accurate. Call me an ignorant at your own leisure. I'm not stanning for a company here, though I like their models, but it's really hard to take seriously considering what surviving evidence archeologists are working with are factually minority of scraps surviving till our day and found through sheer luck and extrapolated upon with mostly educated guess. Doubly so for place and time with such dearth of written texts to the point that there isn't even really historiography in place to agree on whether one of the most legendary rulers of european history as a whole even existed, and who he may have actually been if he did. It's good to strive for accuracy and standards are much needed, but these are in the end of the day really minor gripes that pretty most of manufacturers commit (not to get into the fact that at the end of the day we're talking about toy soldiers). IDK probably footsore and the like are somewhat better pound-to-pound for accuracy overall for the period, I suppose.
>>98171992very difficult to care about*
>>98170731>Does anyone know if the WGA Gladiator sprue has a release date?They seem to wait for that Kickstarter campaign for which the sprue was made to conclude or something. No clue whats going on there, but its not in their hands it seems.
>>98171992If you want historical accuracy, maybe dont look at little toy soldiers?
>>98171992>Call me an ignorantOkay. You're an ignorant.
>>98171992>>98172015It's not that fucking hard finding information these days using the internet. At the bare minimum Victrix could use a modern Osprey at least instead of the ones from the 80's.
>>98172087just stop it already
>>98171884I'd be interested to see your soucing for that quote. As far as I'm aware, it simply wasn't in Dark Ages Britain and Northern Europe. There are examples in places like Spain, Byzantium and Southern Italy, but they're not areas I have a particularly good knowledge of during the dark ages. There's been some good work done on the idea of layering wool tunics for a similar effect as a "padded" garment. Project Forlog has a good article on it that's easy to parse.>>98171992It is largely pedantry, but as more and more people put out really good, accurate reproductions, reenactment kit and historical research, it's always a shame when a big company gets some of the easy things wrong. Going "oh the research is all just fragments" is reductive though, and honestly a bit insulting to the people who are actively increasing our knowledge of the past. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence is a mindset that generally leads to sloppy research, while pulling together information from scholarly work and the massive variety of pictoral and good sources will almost never lead you astray.
>>98170050Yes I do, but I don't know enough about the Dark Ages to nitpick their attire. My problem with Victrix is the ridiculous posing and mouths all gaping open, and that they are all way oversized compared to other 28mm ranges
>>98171992Holy ESL, this shit is unreadable
>>98172214>>98172087Yeah, fair, that is reasonable line of reasoning that I accept. I myself do not track reenactment/repro scene and did come off as disparaging of my betters in this area, my bad. I'm beholding wargaming companies to a different standard of "this doesn't look too far out of line", when maybe I shouldn't.
Google isn't pulling up a useful answer, so here I am begging your attention for a moment.Can Hail Caesar be played on a 3x3 - 4x4 table? I can get a good deal on minis and I've always been curious, but I find epic to be too fiddly, but I admit I haven't read the rules for it, is it better suited to smaller tables? Thanks anons, any help is welcome.
Is it weird that there seems to be very litttle STLs or miniatures available to represent 3rd century Romans? You got the distinctive Nierderbieber helmet, but you also get cavalries with elaborate armour with sculpted reliefs on their greaves, war masks with attached helmets with sculpted hair, horse barding decorated with deities. It's basically historical 40k for the cavalry. Infantry are varied too for their aesthetics. Confused why it's not more popular
>>98172937The bigger the board, the better, like any other game. You could probably play on a small table, but it will be less fun because your troops would just immediately smash into each other and spend the whole game just rolling dice. Epic would suit you better, you would have more room for troops and more room to maneuver them due to smaller size. I haven't read the epic rulebook either, but I was under the assumption is was essentially the same rules? Idk to be honest. You could also just play Hail Caesar using smaller scale models like epic
>>98172214Nogames pseud you have done this for years. Gambesons predate 900
>>98173137Deployment matters more in tight battlefields. Corkscrew manouvres are a meme in ancient warfare
>>98173218Breh.... Cavalry flanking maneuvers was the deciding factor in the majority of ancient battles
>>98172937Just seeing a 28mm board is enough to convince me that doing it is a mistakeThank you
One of the local game stores was having a sale, I asked how much the Ospreys go for, and the employee offered me the entire shelf for $80
>>98173553I'm splitting the lot with a friend who's interested in the 20th century stuff I don't really care about, so I get the previous pic and he gets this stuff for $40 eachI think I did good.
>>98173282Name one? Most didn't have stirrups until the middle ages
>>98173021Because Osprey didn't make an Osprey about them in the 80's.
>>98174051Ok
>>98173592>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Zama
>>98173557>>9817355320the century is gay as fuck, excellent deal!!! You made out like a bandit
>>98173021They're one of those weird "in-between" periods. Not the Imperial heyday, not yet the post-collapse Dark Ages. Somewhat how Scandinavia is essentially invisible (to non-natives) between the vikings and Adolphus, or Egypt is New Kingdom, then the Successor States and then the Mamluks. It needs either a noticeable media event (tv/cinema/book) or a determined monomaniac who WILL have his accurate models on the market, by god! to drive change.
>>98174196Those are later than the ones anon wants you retard. These ones by Foundry are from the fourth and fifth century, anon is talking about the third century. There's only a single guy that's sculpted/sculpting third century Romans. Oh, I actually remembered while writing this that Wargames Atlantic is making plastic kits that are an odd hybrid trying to be suitable for the 3rd century and 4th century, sadly it's not the best but okay. If you want historical accuracy it's A&A Romans, Aventine Miniatures and soon Footsore Miniatures. All ranges sculpted by the same guy.
>>98174618What century are the Victrix late Romans?
>>98174317That's...actually a good example. Doesn't change that cavalry was auxiliary to infantry in most western armies throughout the classical period. >>98174618What are the main differences outside of army composition? In DBA we would call that era "Patrician Roman." In picrel they seem to be closer to the classic Imperial Romans of Trajan's era with some modification. But I've seen others where there isn't really that much difference from the ones I posted. >>98174529It's always the availability of plastics that is the catalyst. See Franco Prussian War >>98174743Victrix will tell you they are suitable from the Patrician period up until Maurikian Byzantium or Sub Roman Britain, and they wouldn't technically be wrong...but there is enough variation more organisation for the nogames to get very upset.
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>>98174931It's an interesting mix between what we consider early and late Imperial Romans. It's a period when the Romans absorbed a lot of Iranian culture and this is lost evident in the clothing, armor and weaponry.Never trust Victrix when they claim something is suitable. >>98174932Will show this picture to my ant farm.
>>98175060>Never trust Victrix when they claim something is suitableThe sour grapes around Victrix and accuracy stinks of nogames and it isn't very well substantiated. We cycled through Warlord, Wargames Atlantic, is there anyone left? Lol
>>98175309Gripping Beast and Fireforge.
>>98175313Gripping Beast are the roughest of the lot! Fireforge doesn't produce very many Dark Ages figures. Maybe if you want to do 11th century Leidang.
>>98175309I think their Hellenistic range is quite good, their late Roman one is also good. It's unimaginative but good.
>>98175309it's button counting for people who studied latin at school
>>98175550>button counting>disliking fantasy stuff and things hundreds of years out of date is button countingOh fuck off and start playing hex & chit if accuracy doesn't matter.
>>98173553>>98173557God damn that's an amazing deal
>>98175309Its the classic behaviour of "popular thing bad"
Can anyone suggest a fun skirmish game with a small footprint that would let me use late 1st century BC to the late 3rd century AD Romans as a playable force? I've got a ton of lorica segmentata Romans on the way with no real purpose. I'm coming at this from the perspective of a Roman romantic, a power-fantasy even, where the Romans are the big strong good guys and I just get to move dudes and throw dice. The only game I've come across like that so far has a fantasy angle to it, Broken Legions, wherein the Romans are tough as nails and skilled warriors. The way Romans were taught in school is how I like to picture them, globetrotting conquerors with a peerless might at arms. I know that's waaaaaaaaaaaay inaccurate, but it's fun.If anyone can help that would be great.
>>98175347If you want 12th century eastern Rome or Al-moravids or feudal Japan in plastic then fireforge are really the only game in town despite their Japanese being way too big.Kinda how WGA has the only plastic Mesoamericans and this is what, the second kit in plastic for indigenous Americans? The woodland inidian box from Wargames Factory that Warlord sells was kinda it for the longest time.
>>98173210Padded armour predates 900 and was in use during the dark ages, as I noted. Was it in use in the British Isles and Northern Europe? We don't have any evidence for that. If you can link some research I'll happily read it, I'm always keen to be proven wrong if it's backed up with scholarship.>>98175309Their sculpt quality is fantastic, they just rely a bit too much on old research rather than putting the legwork in to be as good as they could be, which is a shame. I have a decent amount of victrix in my collection, I just need to put some extra time into tweaking it and resculpting bits to make it fit my autism.>>98177703God bless WGA for doing some weird and whacky shit. After seeing an anon do a massive boxer rebellion project a few years ago I've been sideeyeing their boxer box for a while to do something similar, maybe using Men who would be Kings or Sharp Practice.
>>98178346>scholarship Ah, the true sign of a redditor. Anecdotes, vibes, intuition is 100% more trustworthy than MUH SOIENCE evidence based® peer review™ research!!!© >SOURCE??! SOURCE??
>>98178346You won't be satisfiedhttps://sagy.vikingove.cz/en/introduction-to-norse-padding-for-mail-armor/Even your statements are retarded>they had it in the dark ages, just not nw europeLet's sit with that for a while lol
Just to clear up is saying the Midgard author is gay just a meme or do people truly believe it? He's married with children FFS
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>>98179746Well that settles it
>>98178608Anon...>Given that there is no extant archaeological evidence, we are forced to speculate and discuss dubious literary references, iconography and tested, firsthand experience.
>>98177703>Kinda how WGA has the only plastic Mesoamericans and this is what, the second kit in plastic for indigenous Americans?Firelock has some too. Even if their sculpts are nasty and their proportions weird.
>>98179909I hate every single model that has ever been produced by Firelock. And they paid them all with contrast paints for the promo pics? EW
>>98179931Mostly I dislike the caveman brows and their weird scaling compared to most other companies.And how some of the swords are fucking rectangles. That latter one seems to be disappearing as they revamp their kits progressively.They can be painted well but even by the lower standards of the historical wargaming sphere I rarely see good Firelock models relative to other companies.
>>98179985Compare to Empress
>>98179909WGA produces the models for that game.
>>98180007I'm not going to factcheck it, but that would explain everything. Their Afghan kit also has some rectangular prism swords compared with the sword-shaped ones in the Perry kit.
>>98179894>primary sources don't count if they are incomplete or apocryphal>in the fucking Dark Ages It's like you've dedicated youself to abject stupidity. Can you provide evidence that they didn't use aketon or gambeson like garments? Why wouldn't they? You do understand that Spain and Normandy are in Europe, yes? You said these garments were used in a contemporary fashion there.
>>98179985>the lower standards of the historical wargaming sphereFuck off
>>98180358I'm not that anon and these are not primary sources. Sadly victix minis don't use any of these hypothetical constructions. But you're trying to use a hypothetical suggestion by a reenactor to defend Victrix who we both know have never even heard about this. Sadly their Punic War Romans are 50 years out of date with modern research, the majority of their minis are just plain wrong. We now know that they used Greek and Celtic swords until much later, linothorax was very popular aaaaaand the eras equivalent of a padded garment under their mail and chest armor. The helmets are okay but could use changes.
>>98180403Contemporary literary references are primary sources. Can we just see what they are *supposed* to look like? I am aware that the over armour gambeson was a later devlopment but it is well understood that Dark Age warriors wore second tunics and leather to pad their mail. This is what I see on the figures. /hwg/ non problem #373738292
>>98180407Yes but it doesn't support Victrix depiction. Just admit you're an idiot.
>>98180411>>98180411For everyone's reference, this is what the nogames are freaking out over. We can get into Olav's Saga which references jackets of reindeer hide if you like? Or Brian Boru whoae story refers to him wearing a coat of linen and leather under his mail?>why does leather rot over 1000 yearsIs also a good question
>>98180420No, we have been talking about the Anglo-Saxons you ESL speed-reader.
>>98180420>no games40kuck tier ad hominem. Playing game or not is irrelevant to you faggots petty argument.
>>98179746>AIDS infected skinny>Not turning his head around to check on that redhead's assMidgayrd. If you ever bought translucent green dices it's time to ask yourselves questions fellow gentlemen.>>98177121How's Broken Legion on a mechanical level? If you're willing to stick to 100AD people usually recommend Infamy, Infamy!
>>98180525Those are Vikings you silly cunt. >>98180575We are talking about whether the models are suitable for historical wargames. It's relevant. Or the alleged innacuracies aren't
>>98180755Ye no shit they're Vikings. But the discussion has been about Victrix Anglo-Saxon kits. I swear retards will start an argument without even reading the posts.
>>98180575It's not, because if you don't play games you need to fuck off
>>98180828You do realise the Victrix kits are Anglo Danes, right? Not exactly a world away. Sorry to be a Cnut...As for starting an argument some genius had to let us know how grossy inaccurae they are lol
>>98180925I do think they're poorly researched but there are plenty of alternatives in metal, gotta love Ragnarok. I showed the Victrix Franks to my artist buddy and he said they're practically fantasy. It's funny since Victrix follows his art account on IG (he's painted Franks).
>>98181137>my artist buddyWho gives a shit about your artist buddy?
>>98181137He should have emailed them about it instead of seething in his little corner of the world.
>>98181141>>98181247Seething Victrix shills.
>>98181276>No, (you)!Kek. Okay buddy. I won't buy any Victrix because I'm Warlord's little bitch though. But you could come to me with paper minis and I'll still gladly play with you. I'll just paternally smile knowing my figures have the most superior sculpts and historicity available to mankind.
>98181427Warlord Vikings and Saxons are those Wargames Factory ones. The roughest of all lol
>>98181459Vikings are the roughest indeed. They got that part right like everything else. Bless their SOVL.
>>98181427>wargames factory plasticsIncredible that the guy came back to haunt us with Wargames Atlantic. As much as I complain about Victrix, at least they can actually sculpt good minis.>paper minisNow this I can get behind.
>>98181696>the guyI dislike most of his releases, but you have to admit he seems to be a dedicated hobbyist to try a 2nd time to make plastic miniatures after his failed first attempt.
>>98180673>How's Broken Legion on a mechanical level?I think it's fine, personally. It's made up of opposed tests for the most part, I roll my attack, you roll your defense, if you score higher the attack doesn't go through. There are layers of buffs and debuffs like how heavy your armour is affecting your agility, or how penetrative your weapon is. Some factions have access to monsters and magic, some don't. There's an over reliance on agility rolls for climbing, jumping and moving through difficult terrain. We're talking about rolling a 4 or under on a d10 just to climb a ladder or hop over a wall.Despite that, I think it's a very fun game with a really unique flavor. It even got some post-release content like extra handweapon rules and a cthulu mini-supplement. You can grab it from the osprey trove if you want to try it out.>Infamy, Infamy!I've looked into that before and I've considered playing it at 20mm just to eke out a bit more table space, but I'm specifically looking for a skirmish game where one model represents one man who fights with other individual models. Hence the comparison to Broken Legions.
>>98181750Agreed.
>>98182075>One model per man skirmish.Tough. Maybe a Fivecore game from Nordic Weasel?>>98182075Broken Legion is cool.Yeah there's a second hand copy at my club so I'll snatch it. Did you homebrew some of the weird stuff like Agility being kinda mandatory?
>>98180420I'd say that the anons above are arguing about these fucking abominations, pic related, which show up across multiple victrix kits. The insanely baggy maille is bad enough, but the massive padded armour is awful. >>98180925Well, they ARE inaccurate. Why victrix decided to put leather edging on the maille is anyone's guess. It's a shame to be honest, as the sculpting quality itself is very good.>>98181427Ah, that'd explain it.
>>98182627Thick padding is a really weird pet peeve considering this whole industry is decades of spears the size of thick branches, arrows the size of tool handles, hands the same size as a mini's face, etc.
>>98182505>Nordic Weasel?Somehow, I forgot to check his catalogue. I'm a fan of his sci fi titles so there might be a gem in there. Good idea anon thanks.>Did you homebrew some of the weird stuff like Agility being kinda mandatory?Indeed I did. Difficult Terrain takes twice your movement to pass through. Dangerous Terrain takes twice your movement to pass through and you take a wound on a roll of 9 or 10. Barriers and Gaps: Barriers can be climbed over provided you have enough remaining movement to clear it. Gaps can be jumped up to your Agility in distance.Agility for charges is a key component of the game. A charge is a D5 + Agi +/- Buffs and Debuffs. Legionaries for example are -1 Agi because of their heavy armour.
>>98182839I'm more put off by the thread's defensiveness of a company over what amounts to minor criticism of otherwise admitted excellent kits.My biggest hangup over victrix myself is how some of these figures have to be creatively based to fit in formation due to very wide stances.
>>98183108I think it's nothing personal. People are just tired because we used to have one guy crusading against Warlord Games every single thread. Then another one against Wargaming Atlantic. So now people are very weary some hipster would come forth and take on the mantle.If it's one thread of (you) saying your piece everybody will hear it but if it's more than that people will be really pissed./awg/ had that too with that one guy that couldn't stop but post a really zoomed in sloppy plastic part when anyone mentioned Mantic. It gets stale really quick.
>>98182839I honestly think its an incredible marketing move by victrix, as you get stuck with one of these bodies on every sprue that anyone trying to make an accurate historical army for the dark ages will have to chuck. It forces you to buy more minis compared to if it was just another model in a tunic.
>>98183398I've been complaining about Victrix for ten odd-years.
>>98185228Dark ages stuff came out in 2018
>>98185361Ye, I was complaining about their posing and ancients way back. But never their old hand-sculpted Greeks, those are great.
>>98185368Almost all ancients except republican rome/punic wars era is just under a decade old. You could have just said such but this whole thread is jam packed with bullshit as usual. >>98184209>couldn't possbly be a reindeer jacket or the early forms of padding referred to earlierYou guys don't play and you don't paint, you just do this. Nobody who is actually playing historicals is like this lol
How do you guys feel about playing outdoors?
>>98185601Forgot pic
>>98185599Excuse me?
>>98185619Your painting is better than mine but you're also a lying arsehole.
>>98185601>>98185602My local cafe is a Greggs rather than an Agust, so that should answer it. And yes, it IS pissing down at the moment.Funny though, you've just given me a flashback to when I was a LOT younger and I'd happily use our back garden as a jungle world for 40k, or as plains with weird forests for knights, cowboys and the like. Ha, happier, simpler times...
>>98185630If you went back home, Muhammed,.you might enjoy sunnier weather
>>98185630Hmm, I sure do miss being a child. It's strange, life was so good
>>98185602If only they printed "Smoking makes your minis smell like garbage"...
>>98185794When I did quit my job I wasted a whole year oversleeping and fixing my body. Now it's back to normal and I'm overwhelmed with cool ideas. My parents are still stuck at step 1 so the sooner the better anon. Money comes and go, time fuck off forever.
How do the metal Foundry Greeks scale with Victrix plastic hoplites?
>>98185857Nah, that's not it. I am salaried and only work 2 days a week, it's not because I'm overworked or don't have free time. Something about how your brain perceives the world is just.. different with age. If I experienced the same thing now at the age of 30 that I did when I was 19 it just wouldn't be the same. There is a sense of boyish wonder and hopefulness, vitality and a subconscious feeling of immortality that you have with youth and it slowly fades with time without you realizing it.
>>98187870Victrix are essentially 32mm figures, so not well. Foundry are older so they're on the smaller side of 28mm, but even regular modern 28mm like perry look very small next to Victrix
Quickly whipped together the two free gladiators from this months wargames illustrated. They're nice sculpts, and have tempted me to get the full box when they're released. I hope that the SAGA age of caesars book has options for Hearthguard in the rebel list so I can use these guys.>>98185599Come on man, be serious. Find an example, even a reconstructed one, of a padded reindeer jacket and maybe we can take you seriously. They're pretty clearly just later period gambesons awkwardly slapped on for variety without really thinking about it.
>>98187978yeah victrix is 28mm at eye level to be more precise
>>98185857>>98187962I'm glad that the both of you are feeling better.>>98188105The gladiators look great, tempted to get the box myself.
>>98188105I'll be getting the box when it comes out. Sons of Spartacus for Broken Legions.
>>98188176>at eye levelIs there any other level?
>>98188105>>98188618I'm kinda excited for the gladiator game coming soon that these are made for. A game with as few as two models, where you only need one piece of terrain (a small arena) seems perfect for intro gaming and low set up cost/time
Anyone have any suggestions of vendors of 1:600 modern era aircraft? I'm looking to run a full Russia COMAO - IL-76M, A-50, Su-30 and 35 on OCA, Su-25 and Su-27 on SEAD, and maybe a Il-20 just as a treat. Tumbling dice have a nice selection but it really only goes up to about the year 2000.
>>98188176Thats how you measure the mm scales - its too hard to consistently meaaure to the top of the head if people wear various heights of hat/helmet.
>>98122290>>98122326That's fucking FIRE
>>98108567>>98108569Is there a way to contribute to the troves?
>>98190606Do you already have something you want to add or are you asking what could be added?
