>>98110479
With Warhammer, they could be or have been retconned and half the fanbase would support it regardless.

>>98110479
Does the quote in question necessarily imply that?
Is it not possible the inquisitor is just calling them slaanesh' bitch (which they are)?
I have not played the game so I don't know if there's more to it than just the pictured quote.

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>>98110499
Well, the context is that this line completely and utterly infuriates the dark eldar, so I suppose she did not take kindly to being told to fuck off back to Slaanesh, but I'm very confused that an inquisitor could not understand dark eldars so badly.
Like, is she pissed because she got a grim reminder that the second she dies, she's sent into Slaanesh's house of dicks where everything is a dick? Or is she pissed because she's reminded that for all her superiority complex, there's still a top dog?

>>98110479
Dark Elves went from worshipping Chaos to Khaine over Warhammer 3e to 4e.
So it’s not like the lore doesn’t change.

>>98110519
>but I'm very confused that an inquisitor could not understand dark eldars so badly.
It seems completely reasonable for an Inqusitor to misunderstand DE like this. Why would that confuse you? Inquisitors do not have perfect information, their information is largely chaos-biased even for Ordo Xenos, and the Imperium is full of retarded propaganda. The Inquisitor is probably just wrong.

>>98110555
It's just, inquisitors are meant to be the only intelligent people in the Imperium since information is so classified and censored, so I'm extremely shocked by the idea that the only people with unlimited access to information can still be so insanely wrong that they mistake horror for worship. I mean, if I get it right, Slaanesh would rather drag the dark eldars out of Commoragh and dump them in his house of fun than watch them boil people alive, so it's not even a case of "worship me or die", it's a desperate bid to not instantly burn down to a husk because the big futa goddess is poking your ass too hard.
I'm sorry, I'm just finding it very weird, and actually unlikely that an inquisitor can be so insanely wrong about the xenos' motivations. It's like if someone tried to negotiate with Tyranids.

>>98110578
doesnt mean an Inquisitor has full information about every single Xenos in the galaxy. Might have spent all his time dealing with Genestealers, Nids and minor Xeno races and never bothered with Deldar

the Imperium is a place of hyper autism, ignorance and self defeating stupidity.

>>98110479
>>98110578
From the Inquisitor's point of view, I'm not sure how they'd tell the difference. Dark Eldar go around doing the same thing that Slaanesh cults do, and they are feeding Slaanesh constantly by doing so.

Similar to how a Psyker who thinks they're not worshipping Tzeentch, but are still eagerly making deals and trading with his daemons for Sorcery lessons is just a Tzeentch Sorcerer in denial. An inquisitor wouldn't believe a human Psyker who claims they're just trying to trick chaos for the good of humanity.
Likewise, why should they believe the Dark Eldar that they don't worship Slaanesh, and that they're just doing all of these things that look exactly like Slaanesh worship to an outsider because they've been cursed by Slaanesh to die slowly if they don't?

That just sounds like a mountain of excuses and denial from a hive of chaos cultists, and it's not like an Inquisitor has a way of making sure that an Eldar is telling them the truth.
Even then though, you could still take it as a more glib remark, where even if the Inquisitor knows better, he simply doesn't care to draw the distinction. To him, Dark Eldar are Slaanesh's bitches, because they act like Slaanesh's bitches.

>>98110578
I think you are not an intelligent person and that's why you are having this problem.

>>98110479
>it canon for even inquisitors, aka the ones who should actually know their shit, to fuck up big times on xenos culture?
It absolutely is, they know more than most, but they don't have perfect meta-knowledge about the setting.
Think about it this way, for an Iquisitor who is genuinely interested in xeno culture and society (and there aren't that many of them), pretty much the only available sources is study of artifacts they find and whatever xeno themselves are willing to tell them (which will almost certainly be a very biased, incomplete and possibly outright false information)

>>98110479
The character looks more like a tech marine than an inquisitor imo

>>98110578
A guy named Muhammad blows up a school full of children and doesn't explain it directly but a thorough investigation of his journals finds out that he was afraid of "Allah's wrath" and did it to "stave it off".
Do you think FBI would NOT classify that as islamic fundamentalism because well, he's technically not fond of Allah?

No, dude just told him to get turbo-satan'd up the ass.

>>98110600
That does make sense. After all, they don't do it on purpose, but they still feed Slaanesh.

>>98110479
Esl, it's just an insult

>>98110578
>unlimited access to information
From where? The objective true library of fully uncensored verified truth that all inquisitors have constant access to? I have unlimited access to hot pockets. It doesnt mean that i have infinite hot pockets in my house at a single point in time

>>98110479
Ask /v/ or post your models.

>>98110600
>even if the Inquisitor knows better, he simply doesn't care to draw the distinction.
I'd go a step further, from a dogmatic point of view he SHOULDN'T draw a distinction.
Heresy is heresy, regardless of motivation. A Genestealer Cultist convinced he's ackshually helping the true emperor is still a xeno worshipper. Or to use your own example
>An inquisitor wouldn't believe a human Psyker who claims they're just trying to trick chaos for the good of humanity.
No, he COULD totally believe. But the degree of guilt and the punishment wouldn't change one bit.

>>98110578
>It's just, inquisitors are meant to be the only intelligent people in the Imperium since information is so classified and censored
They are still raised in a crushing authoritarian theocracy where information can literally turn you evil, anon. They don't have the same level of setting knowledge that a player would.

God damn it. Literacy is fucking dead.

>>98111181
>information can literally turn you evil
How so? Because the imperium is such a shithole?

>>98111208
Nigger do you even know the setting

>>98111208
Are you just really unfamiliar with the setting? There are loads of books you can read that just corrupt your soul. But that is just the tip of the iceberg. There are also places you can visit, data you can jack into, etc. Corruption is everywhere, think of it like how radiation works in our physics.

>>98111226
I'm a Tyranid main, my knowledge of evil is "there is hell, everyone but Eldars, Necrons and Tyranids go through hell to move, and sometimes demons come out to buttfuck people". I have no idea how it works outside of the battlefield.

>>98110479
An Inquisitor who knows very little will assume Dark Eldar are conducting their rituals to worship and feed Slaneesh
An Inquisitor who know quite a lot will know that this is preposterous, Dark Eldar hate and despise Slaneesh
And Inquisitor who gains perfect meta-knowledge will know that, yes, they are actually feeding Slaneesh through their actions.

>>98110600
I think you could argue that the Dark Eldar actually are Slaaneshi cultists in denial, they're the direct descendants of the depraved pleasure cults that brought Slaanesh into existence in the first place and they continue their depravity despite knowing that their actions directly feed Slaanesh and knowing that other ways of preserving their souls exist that don't involve dancing along to Slaanesh's tune like good little slaves. And this was before the Ynnari were introduced as well - in Path of the Warrior one of the Striking Scorpions at the protagonist's shrine is revealed to be an ex-Commorite who renounced his old ways and embraced the path system which means that the Dark Eldar are actively choosing to live in a way that feeds Slaanesh when they don't have to.

>>98110479
Dark Eldar *do* worship Slaanesh. It's a very transactional relationship, but their entire society is geared towards offering Slaanesh sensation in exchange for their souls. Did you think the Eldar did all that for fun?

>>98111368
...ha. Yeah, that does make sense.

>Cowering in submission before a God isn't a form of worship
Dropping to all fours and presenting your asshole for discretionary use is absolutely a form of worshipful submission. There's a reason they call it prostrating yourself.

>>98111407
>n Path of the Warrior one of the Striking Scorpions at the protagonist's shrine is revealed to be an ex-Commorite who renounced his old ways and embraced the path system which means that the Dark Eldar are actively choosing to live in a way that feeds Slaanesh when they don't have to.
Wait, how does that work? I thought they are all inherently cursed with their souls slowly withering away unless they can feed on suffering, you're telling me this is something that can just be cured with correct philosophy and discipline?

>>98111615
Soulstone catches the soul on the moment of death. They choose to be bastards rather than use it.
It's like having HIV, you could use protection, or you could start giving it to everyone you meet because you're an evil cunt.

>>98111615
>correct philosophy and discipline
Heeeeh...
Not really. Craftsworlds are insanely oppressive with very little liberty and enjoyement to be found. Eldars cannot enjoy themselves lest they summon Slaanesh, and upon their deaths, they are melted in the craftsworld's infinity circuit.
Remember the rangers? They're Craftsworld Eldars who can't bear with the strict discipline of life onboard these.

>>98111622
Being in a soulstone leaves your soul vulnerable to whoever has access to the stone. They're worthless in Drukhari society because other Drukhari would abuse that power for no real reason without hesitation. They could go and live with the craftworlders... but then they'd have to live with craftworlders (fate worse than death)

>>98111269
Basically, that Anon fails to explain that mere knowledge of Chaos can have you possessed by a daemon in Warhammer lore.
In the Warhammer universe, just writing the name of a daemon on a scrap of paper turns the paper into a soggy mess that drips with blood.

>>98110600
I agree with this anon. Why do the Dark Eldar constantly have to inflict pain? Because Slaanesh is constantly feasting on their souls, so they have to feed Slaanesh by proxy to avoid that same fate. All of their torture to survive acts to feed Slaanesh, and she claims their souls when they die. They’re Slaanesh worshippers whether or not they admit it. Why is there a psychic ban in Comorragh? Because Slaanesh daemons would flock to that shit like moths to a very rapeable flame

>>98110674
So you're saying we may never know the Dark Eldar's motivations?

>>98111837
What are the Dark Eldars ultimate goals, outside of survival and enslaving all other races? What could ever be the final outcome of race whose only defense against the god eating their souls, is to feed and empower that god? Gee I wonder

>>98111857
For most common Dark Eldar, survival is the only goal. They achieved 'bad end' 14,000 years ago and now they're just trying to stop the credits from rolling.
Vect seems content to just rule his shadow domain. The Haemonculi are often insane, but seem to be the only ones that care to innovate. They've come up with multiple approaches including successfully replicating Necron biotransference. So far, none of the solutions are really appealling

>>98111835
>Why is there a psychic ban in Comorragh? Because Slaanesh daemons would flock to that shit like moths to a very rapeable flame
I can see some radical inquisitor trying to sneak untrained psyckers into Comorragh if any of the ordos got a hint of that
Or even a rougue inquisitor turned to chaos as his offering into deamon-princehood

>>98111009
>he doesn't have an infinite amount of hot packets in his pockets

>>98112748
It's probably not going to work. Commorragh is REALLY FUCKING LARGE. The psychic ban is because if ALL DEldar freely did psychic stuff Slaneesh would come by, but if a handful of human psykers would trigger that, just the slave raids they do regularly would already have sent the city spiraling into the Warp. To disturb Commorragh you'd need a genuinely massive amount of psykers, and getting all of these psykers is an ordeal in of itself.

>>98110578
>inquisitors are meant to be the only intelligent people in the Imperium
lol
lmao

>>98110784
It reminds me of those cowboys where someone says "dance" and shoots at the feet. You jump to get out of the way of the shot, but they weren't trying to shoot you they were trying to get you to jump.

>>98112748
>>98112858
Commorragh has actually dealt with large-scale warp breaches before. Entire portions of the city have been swarmed with daemons, and Vect’s strategy has always been to just seal those portions off and condemn any inhabitants to their fates. Like the other anon said, Commorragh is massive, to the point of being more like a collection of subrealms linked closely by the webway. That strategy could be used for a long time before Vect could be bothered to worry about the consequences.

>>98110578
I know this is hard ti understand because youre very clearly autistic. The inquisitor is basically rage baiting them by calling them worshippers of slaanesh who they hate. Its the same as calling a marine weak or a tau selfish. Also slaanesh is their master in that they must appease him with constant sadism to not get warp succed.

>>98112748
>>98112858
You can actually kinda do that in the Rogue Trader vidya and if you're a Chaos worshipper your deamonic patron encourages you to do that. It does wreck some havoc, but ultimately isn't that big of a deal basically because of what >>98113017 said

>>98113083
To add on to this, if some inquisitor set about doing this strategy on a large scale to disrupt Commoragh, I’d all but guarantee that some Dracon whose fiefdom was disrupted would come after that inquisitor with everything he had. My bet is that he’d be handed over to the Haemonculi to be made an example of before the inquisitor made any real progress.

>>98110674
Sounds like just part and parcel of living in a European city

>>98113045
It could also just be that the fucking Inquisitor thinks DE worship slanesh. This doesn't have to be complicated. Just because they know shit doesn't mean they know everything.

>>98113045
As another way to flip it around, most space marines don't actually worship the Emperor as a god. Most chaos marines are also aware of that. That's never stopped chaos marines from mocking loyalist marines by saying they worship a rotting corpse.

There's just so many ways to explain this sort of thing. The character simply doesn't know, doesn't care, or is doing it on purpose as an insult.

>>98113045
Ok fatty.

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guysh guysh
how dare that autishtic faggot not know everythingsh about warhammer???

>>98113646
I've sometimes wondered how true that is, deep down. Once initiated, a marine gets the full "Emps is our big CEO and humanity's guiding light blah blah blah", but the little boy was likely raised surrounded by the Imperial Creed and it's going to be in there somewhere; I wouldn't call myself religious but I was raised Catholic and I can recognise bits here and there still floating in my psyche.
Besides, raising someone on a pedestal and calling them the species' great guiding light and that they may still provide guidance and protection in some unknowable and unidentifiable fashion may technically not be worshipping as a god, but that's walking and quacking very much like a duck, frankly. And it's also that last bit that the average Chaos ranter is taking aim at.

>>98110578
Why didn't the Inquisitor just read the wiki first? Kind of a plot hole...

>>98110479
>is it canon for even inquisitors, aka the ones who should actually know their shit, to fuck up big times on xenos culture?
There's a lot individual Inquisitors don't know.
In the Vaults of Terra the main Inquisitor is a guy who almost never leaves Terra and guards against threats to the Throneworld, mostly from within. He had no idea there were more than nine Primarchs, and was confused when he went deep into the Imperial Palace and found statues of all of them.
He's portrayed as being a very intelligent man with extensive information gathering abilities, but traitor legions and ancient history are well out of his domain.

>>98110479
>>98110555
>>98110578
You people of course understand that Inquisitors don't have access to Lexicanum/40kWiki and in universe Imperium libraries are redacted to hell and cartoonishly unreliable

>>98114879
That is incredibly depressing.

>>98114297
Marines undergo intense indoctrination. It's unlikely that marines in your usual chapters that follow the imperial truth would worship the Emperor.

>>98114938
Nobody follows the imperial truth, because it wound up being a big lie.
All Space Marines now accept the supernatural, and that they live in a world full of spirits and daemons, even if they don't believe the Emperor is a god.

>>98114956
tertiary kun...

>>98114967
Chapters have their own cults, the Imperial Truth is just propaganda from the Great Crusade.

>>98114938
Granted, but for allegedly irreligious groups the language they use does sound a bit like claiming you're only playing gay chicken, dad. Sooner or later someone's going to get told to burn down someone else's city and then, as we know, hilarity ensues.

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Information is really scattered in the Imperium.

Theoretically, Inquisitors have the authority to learn everything. They could waltz into many normally forbidden libraries and repositories of knowledge to learn the history and truth of the Imperium and xenos. They could ask many sensitive questions that normally they would be beheaded for with little fear of reprisal.

The problem, however, is that this doesn't really manifest into knowing the truth, as in, the full picture that we, the readers have. They will be limited by the information they can access. To gather it im the first place, they will need to build and operate networks that span worlds and systems, which takes time and effort, meaning they will make tradeoffs. They will need to consider needs and political cred; theoretically, an Inquisitor is free to order a governor's personal library be handed over, but if they want to maintain good relations with that governor, they might not want to do that.

In addition to this, not everything they learn will be true or even accurate. They're still going to have to sort through legitimate mountains of biased data, propaganda, and just straight up lies, because much of what they'll find is corrupted, distorted or not true. Much information was explicitly erased from records (some successfully such as the Missing Primarchs, some less successfully like the Traitor Legions) and they'll have to pierce together what happened based on what they have. All of this, and the Inquisitor themselves might be extremely biased- an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor might blame Chaos influence on Genestealers, a Malleus might blame Genestealer plots on Chaos, and a Hereticus might read records that hint towards Eldar influence in a region, snort and go
>You know who are REALLY to blame for this? PSYKERS. We need to round up anyone who has headaches or an extra toe to BURN THEM ALIVE, then broadcast loudspeakers to inspire FEAR OF THE EMPEROR in these heretics. That will show them.”

>>98110479
For all intesive poirpoises, to an outsider, they do

>>98110578
It's also just an insult, whether they like it or not, the minute they fie their soul is going straight to slannesh, the fact that they don't like it in fact makes it more insulting

>>98115033
I still have issues to understand that, I figured that someone in-universe would know even more than we, the outsiders, do.

>>98110519
>>98110479
If he's ordo xenos it's a good insult, i haven't played whatever this game is but he doesn't have to be wrong or misunderstand anything with that comment.

>>98115268
>I figured that someone in-universe would know even more than we, the outsiders, do.
About the faction and society they belong to (i.e. the Imperium)? Probably yeah, at least about many facets of it
About a completely different faction that's alien and hostile in 99% of cases and treacherous and manipulative in the remaining 1%? Of course not. We have knowledge coming straight from the omniscient narrator and the Drukhari themselves. In-universe characters only have whatever scraps of knowledge they've managed to collect during their lifetime, most of which is very hard to obtain and can be interpreted incorrectly

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>>98110578
>It's like if someone tried to negotiate with Tyranids.

>>98115523
...what.
You make me very nervous. What is it? Something as stupid as Blood Angels allying with Necrons? Or stupider than the Grey Knights slaughtering the sisters of battle?

I thought it was more of a "All you murder rape cultists are the same" boomer inquisitor moment.

Isn't there only one guy who is aware of the whole fall of the eldar empire due to the birth of slaanesh thing because they had to show it to him as a play?

>>98115590
ok boomer

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>>98115735
Hey now, don't you dare ask questions about lore, we at /tg/ will call you autistic and retarded for daring to not know everything by heart.

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>>98115534
NTA, but in earlier lore Tyranids used to have a type of creatures called Zoats, who were part of the hive mind, but also had their own sentience and acted as diplomats or heralds of the Hive Mind. This was I think kinda before the writers nailed down the concept and motivation of Tyranids. They still show up every now and then, but I'm honestly not certain if they're still supposed to have the same role or just be their own separate xeno race now

>>98115867
Oh, like the Genestealers, who used to be their own thing and were revealed/retconned to be Tyranids infiltrators?

>>98115889
Pretty much, but in reverse. Used to be strictly a Tyranid organism, possibly got retconned to be their own thing, but it's kinda hard to tell for sure because we don't have a whole lot material on them

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>>98114238
Retard, here's a pity (You)

>>98114238
You struck a nerve.