>tq
Toreawhore blood: doesn't actually do anything, but looks kinda cool.
Alternatively, +2 for seduction against fags.

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They're just slut glasses

Can a kinfolk be a reverse hunter? As in, they say they joined a hunter group to mislead them but are actually, genuinely helping them hunt other werewolves, and get away with it at least for a while?

>>98125511
Imagine surgery to shorten his skinfolds so his eyes were always able to be open

>>98125514
Sure. Some kinfolk turn wyrmshitter just to get back at the awoos, and this is a healthier alternative to that.

>>98125514
why wouldn't they be? there are a shitload of actual kinfolk hunters and pentex workers and arguably at least one org of kinfolk werewolf hunters altough as far as most wannabe skin dancers are that (and sometimes sorcerers) and work together to get those skins with the unnamed org having being previous payrolled by Robert Allred a Get of Fenris kinfolk and personal friend of samuel haight who worked his way up to being a Pentex executive.. although he never got to be a skin dancer himself before he got killed

so a kinfolk pretending to hate werewolves enough to want to kill them would not raise many eyes especially at pentex as they hire one of these guys every other week

>>98125561
I mean one who's basically part of a cell or an conspiracy, not necessarily heroic but still not Pentex.

Would the Imbued fit better if they were the descendants of mythological/folk heroes? Like, this werewolf hunter with Beowulf's strength, or a Robin Hood wannabe but with a Barrett?

>>98125568
yeah again why not? if the kinfolk doesn't tell anyone the only guys who would even be able to tell would be the dark age shadow inqusition because they have one familly who are cursed to be allergy against the supernatural and that includes kinfolk and the imbued with the second sight, but everything else? fair game

i just used pentex because wod doesn't actually talks a lot about hunting werewolves outside of the context of pentex and the imbued because hunters hunted is a vampire book

>>98125606
they kinda done that with scion 2e what you are talking about would be a mix out of actual scions (divine) and saints(reborn or descendants of non divine heroes) if you want to be specific

>>98125620
Can they slam Garou around Hulk style? Burn vampires with a flash of light? Cancel a mage's magic?

>>98125606
>Would the Imbued fit better if they were the descendants of mythological/folk heroes?
Not at all, that's clearly fae bullshit.

>>98125606
I mean sure, but that's an entirely different thing at that point.

Actually mythological/folk/fantasy heroes was a minor splat in nWoD of all things, showed up in like one book.

>>98125660
The book that never existed nor was it pitched or even reach the concept stage? That's weird, anon. Anyway let's talk about something else.

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Hey, so my Ductus is this super hot Brujah Anti bombshell. Problem is I’m the Pack Priest, and I’m also a Ventrue Anti. Should I plow the Brute anyway?

>>98125660
Are you talking about the one from the romance book or the Beast antagonist.

>>98125514
Of course, you even have merits for that in Project Twilight. They don't even need to be duped if they don't know they're kinfolk.

>>98125660
which book is that from? i know mtaw has a bit about channeling mythological heroes but i never heard about them being their own minior splat

>>98125681
Bestiality is wrong.

>>98125681
is it even a sabbat pack if you guys aren't fucking each other in increasingly extreme ways?

>>98125689
Vault 2.0 page to read, please.

>>98125680
No there's rules for them in Mirrors, alongside "exceptional mortals" (basically a reduced version built around improving skills). An STV vault book in 2e was focused on them and cast them more heavily in the light of culture/myth hero.

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>>98125636
Forget Garou or Vampires. From my experience with Scion 1e, Scions can slam Exalted to bedrock at Demigods levels, where the only thing saving them is their perfects until they run out of Essence.

>>98125488
Nice dubs but what I'm hearing is
>Writers fucked everything that made Salubri interesting, see low player engagement, and then decide to axe the clan after they made the conditions that cause low player engagement
Seems about right, frankly.

>>98125636
Even better, can they mating press Garou (also Hulk style?)

>>98125690
World of Darkness - Mirrors, it's an interesting book that's a hodge podge of alternate rules for everything from settings to experience to morality and even rules for running WoD on a grid with minis. It's very experimental and not every rule in it is great, but it's the kind of book I wish more RPGs would make.

Exceptional Mortals are on Page 52, "Dark Heroes" start on page 188 and are generally a strict upgrade to the former. The fluff leans on the notion of using them in a more fantasy-forward setting variant (the previous section even has rules for different races like Atlanteans as a general stand in for precursor Advanced Humans), but the STV 2e revival cast them more as playing as Perseus.

In my admittedly limited experience the rules work well enough for myth heroes and buffing the stats of important historical characters to discourage the PCs from trying to mess with them.

>>98125728
I want body exploding Primal style. Could a hunter turned escaped Pentex experiment work out?

Honestly you guys could just port Deviant rules into WoD. It's tailor made for splat-agnostic superpowered freaks.

>>98125750
>A Fomor-adjacent
I think WtA has redeemed Fomori doesn't it? And yes I imagine it could work out but I'd expect most Garou to offer you a quick death instead of risking the chance to get pounded by someone that could have a 15 inched clubbed dick with barbs

>>98125724
We have the old interview where the team said that for v5 they want to disconnect them from the tremere so that they can reduce i mean define the salubri as the "hunted" clan and because the salubri are hunted because something inherent to them makes other vampires hunt them they have no way of ever really bettering the situation. And i think few people would pick a class just called "victim" in a rpg when the others are Lords, Rebell, Asasssin, Warlock, necromancer, shapeshifter etc

also makes you wonder how these guys are meant to have been a major clan back in the day if their main characteristic is (and in v5 always was!) that they are tasty to other vampires

>>98125488
I meant more in the sense that, if the goal is to delete Kindred of the East from canon for good, then removing Ravnos makes the most sense. The kuei jin’s only major moment in the metaplot is the Week of Nightmares, but that event set so many plot threads for all the splats that declaring them noncanon leaves a gaping hole in the metaplot. So the solution here would be to also remove the other faction primarily involved in that debacle, clan Ravnos. Like, I’m not too familiar with the more specific elements of the backstory of VtM, but isn’t the Salubri’s only tie to the kuei jin the fact that Saulot talked to them once in his quest to figure out golconda?

I agree that the salubri are the least impactful choice for a clan to be deleted, but ravnos makes the more sense for what the anon said about the goals of said decanonization

>>98125791
>think WtA has redeemed Fomori doesn't it?
Not really, sure you can have a fucker with Autonomy 10 who does everything right and there are two merits that make exorcisms viable but those aren't redeemed characters.

If you want to have a guy larping a Solomon, use a Kinfolk with the rite that makes spirits complete a task or something like that.

>>98125711
Yeah I can see it.

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>>98125803
Personally their alt bane in the player's options makes a lot more sense than "omg this blood is too good, im gonna hunger frenzy!!!1!". Mechanically speaking, playing a salubri in v5 is just begging to get diablerized because your third eye cries blood (thus triggering your clan bane) whenever you use your disciplines

>>98125828
v5 ravnos already don't mention the kuei jin anymore at all anymore. we just had a vn where everyone wanting blood from the ravnos ante was a major force driving the plot

it seems in v5 the guy just woke up too early was hungry and then got magic nuked with no kuei jin involved at all because they already don't exist

>>98125829
>>98125791
You could also give the fucker cybernetic enhancements with the possessed gear background.

>>98125844
the alternative clan banes in the players guide have in general some real good ones that could be backported for vtm or vtr bloodlines

also a fan of
>Cold-Blooded - They can only use Blush of Life if they have recently fed from a living vessel in the same scene or up to roughly an hour ago, Storytellers discretion
although i think that would have more sense with the necromancers than with the setites
>Unnatural Manifestations - Using Discipline powers within close proximity of mortals scares them and any social interactions other than Intimidation suffer a dice penalty equal to their Bane Severity
just replace bane severity with blood potency or discipline rank
>Cursed Courtesy - If they wish to enter a place of residence uninvited they must spend Willpower equal to their Bane Severity, this penalty also applies to their Discipline pools while they are there. The invitation inside can only be made by someone who lives there and this does not occur in uninhabited homes or public places.

Let's think about this logically. What are the chances of any clan getting removed?

Assamites: Lower than Average. They already did a name rebrand to them and honestly, unless they are getting rid of all of Ashirra, might as well keep them.

Brujah: No way in hell. They are basically the most basic bitch of vampires and core of the "rebels". VTM would end before they remove them.

Gangrel: Very small. Beckett is a fan favorite and the clan is nothing burger in terms of "hurtful feelings".

Giovanni: Probably not but possible. They already fucked up Giovanni and with Hecate, they might just elimate Giovanni as a whole from the setting.

Lasombra: Very small. They might sanitize them even more but the chances of them removing the edgy clan are very small.

Malkavian: Very small but they would remove them if they could. Voerman twins are a fan favorite and Fishmalks are player favorite. If not for that, they 100% would remove them because "the mental illness is serious business"

Followers of Set: Lower than Average. They already rebranded them with a new name and try to remove the Set aspect from them even though it is retarded. It is still possible but unlikely.

Nosferatu: No way in hell.They are iconic.

Ravnos: Possible.They might want to wash their hands of it. Ravnos Ante can become any number of myterious antes if needed. Just erased from history like Kuei-jin.

Toreador:No way in hell. They are iconic and sex sells. Even though they mostly try with gay/LGBTQ style sexuality these days.

Tremere: Possible. Tremere were always controversial and cutting them out wouldn't exactly be impossible. They might even remove Salubri too, alongside it. It would also simplify their eventual M5 attempts.

Tzimisce: Not likely. They already fucked them up.

Ventrue: No way in hell. Ventrue is like Brujah but their roles are opposite. They are literally the perfect "the man" for Brujah to be "rebels".

Not that I would actually recommend them to do it. It is a horrible idea.

>>98125878
Yeah why are people acting like anon was legit?

Could a Garou still follow Gaia but say 'fuck ecoterrorism, I want to help people!' and actually do that? As in actively saving people from other werewolves, vampires, Pentex...

Does the lack of True Faith among the Garou imply that either God does not grant them his favor, that they are hypocritical and don't actually believe in the Gaia nonsense, or True Faith is only for those with human souls?

>>98125895
Children of Gaia

>>98125895
children of gaia are all about that and then trying to just make a better world for people

the toj apocalypse book even says they been right and that this would have weakened the wyrm far more than what any other tribe was trying to do ... but everyone in and out of universe sees them as pussies

>>98125852
No Garou Gwen or Brad could handle an enhanced fomor dick piloted by an 8 foot muscled homunculus assisted by mechanically pistones hips with rotational functions and electroshock stimulus. It's just not possible.

>>98125844
I'm not reading the previous posts to see what this conversation is about, I always liked the original Salubri weakness of not being able to feed from non-willing. It was one of the more interesting ones imo, did people dislike it?

>>98125897
there is a garou with true faith in gaia
>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Garret_Faithful
true faith does not need a real actual outside force, just your zealous and total believe in one. one other example in the books is a setite with true faith in Set the god who would very likely lose it if he would ever meet Set the vampire

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>>98125895
Yeah but well saving people from Pentex will already involve ecoterrorism.
>>98125897
Garou can get True Faith but most don't. No idea why most don't have it, maybe they don't believe hard enough and instead just know?

>>98125904
>>98125905
Even they would 'cull the herd' if they have to. I mean one who'd say 'fuck that!' and actively be a superhero or something like that. One garou not helping the environment won't lose the war, eh?

>>98125913
they gave salubri dominate in v5 so that weakness wouldn't work anymore thematically

>>98125904
>>98125905
The Coggies are kind of like a multi-function wrench rather than a hammer on a way. But
>>98125895
Think of it this way, would you rather be cringe and helpful or based and unhelpful?

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>>98125906
50 dots of powers at character creation.

>>98125920
I'd rather be Farkas from Skyrim than the Wolfman.

>>98125918
i mean sure but leaving the tribes makes you ronin which in turn leaves you depressed because garou are meant to be a pack animal and kinda of a lame super hero as fera only get rank and thus gifts by following what the spirits want and that is fight the war

same reason why owl will mess with you if you try to become immortal: garou having free will seems to be a accident as they are just meant to fight and die for gaia and nothing else

>>98125894
>Yeah why are people acting like anon was legit?
It's fun, gives us something to talk about.

>>98125929
Replace the pack with human friends, duh!

>>98125915
>>98125916
I see. So Garou are just posers.
>>98125919
You still can't really dominate someone into being willing, so I'd assume that metaphysically it's still a weakness

>>98125940
doesn't work not even other splats would work, which is weird because dream speakers can have some of the same totems

>>98125925
I've never seen Farkas be helpful.
>>98125940
That would hardly be the same thing for a Garou though, human friends can't fight, are scared of you, can't turn into dogs so they don't have the instincts to read your body language. It'd be like if you suddenly started living with a group of Japanese college students. Maybe you could form a pack with other Ronin but you'd still be kinda limited and I'd wager most Garou Ronins are Ronins for less wholesome reasons than because they don't want an Imperium 2.0 if it's absolutely necessary.
I'm just saying maybe this Defiler-of-Gurahl guy isn't entirely there and you shouldn't trust him so much. How does one even managed to get kicked out of the Get to begin with?

>>98125966
He's a teddy bear who fights giants and who can enter orc strongholds for some reason.

>>98125918
>Even they would 'cull the herd' if they have to
They don't really, they were the main ones who were against and eventually stopped the Impergium.

>>98125758
In my experience if you're going to do a mash up, you're better off porting the old stuff to CofD than the other way around.

>did people dislike it?
Legitimately never ran a game with a Salubri PC, but I'd hazard a guess that the old Salubri weakness had the stealth issue of slowing the game to a halt.

Vampire can struggle with pacing issues, and feeding is a big part of this. You don't want to gloss over it entirely for obvious reasons, but if you give every single time a PC goes off on their own to get a drink proper focus, nothing gets done and every session becomes at least 30% solo feeding scenes, which also don't really add anything of substance past the first time or if something goes wrong.

The Ventrue curse doesn't create many issues since it can just be a penalty to an "upkeep" hunting roll, and limits who the Ventrue can feed on in an active scene, but it importantly doesn't limit HOW they feed. The Salubri curse requires consent, meaning that in order to feed on anything other than your Herd, you need to endanger the Masquerade and persuade someone into letting you bite them. So it makes the already logistically nightmarish Salubri even harder to practically play.

>>98125970
But is he what the companions needed? I guess he's a swell enough guy.

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I checked OP's links but couldn't find picrel. Anyone willing to share?

How would an I Am Legend situaiton work out?

How would the Hounds of God (basically Garou who follow Big B) work out in the verse?

>>98126091
what the fuck is big b

>>98126091
>>98126124
I meant Big G

>>98126091
already exists as a black furry camp of all things

they either go with gaia = god or gaia > god but god still good

>>98125844
>Just woke up and read it as Salubri Antisemitism

>>98125745
huh for some reason i never got around to reading that despite the fact that i love throwing random non major splat templates at my players

thank you anon

>>98126221
>Salubri antisemitism
>the only "good" vampire clan
>it got exterminated and nowanights is smeared as the ultimate evil
Really makes you think.

>>98126276

I play Tremere when I’m Camarilla so please don’t ruin the clan for me. Also, didn’t a bunch of the Tremere support the Axis during WWII?

>>98126289
support would imply that they helped the mortals in some way when it would be more truthful to say that they benefited from the state police and the holocaust getting them easy access to victims for both feeding and experimentation on a scale never seen before

the tremere just being pragmatic about instead of actually supporting pretty much any modern ideology (they are a world wide conspiracy) is why himmler wants to leave the clan for the sabbat as his views align more with the open vampire supremacy rhetoric of that sect

>>98126313

I like playing Tremere because I love playing an intelligent and manipulative but woefully uncharismatic history professor. And having access to my favorite discipline: Dominate. Ventrue are too capitalistic and snooty, and Malkavians I don’t want to play because their reputation has been ruined.

>>98125698
Page 21 has:
>Garou Kinfolk 4 pt. merit
>Unknowing Garou Kinfolk 2pt. merit
>Wyrm Tainted 4 pt. flaw

>>98126318
>intelligent and manipulative but woefully uncharismatic history professor
that sounds fun especially if they know stuff they aren't allowed to publish because the sources are like elders or masquarade breaking texts (or first hand knowledge if they are just that old)

>>98126351

They already knew too much even pre-Embrace. I imagined this dude as having been born to a Georgia (the American one) branch of the Dunsirns in 1905. Becomes a history professor despite some heated arguments with his mother. Tries to join the Army after Pearl Harbor but fails to be accepted, but the OSS takes him in. Serves the OSS in North Africa and Italy until his sire embraces him Halloween 1905. Thanks to his family background, he always knew something existed beyond the natural world.

>>98126363

*Halloween 1945. Typo.

>>98125894
couple of reasons: it's a fun thought experiment but also this is a pre-alpha, it's the point in development where you experiment and try things you know aren't gonna work

So I'm reading Vt:R
Why was the camarilla called camarilla, a spanish word, when they were only a thing in ancient rome?

>>98126511
and the V5 devs have on multiple occasions proven to be completely retarded

>>98126580
just to be a vtm reference "the thing that is gone now and predates the modern vampire society" it was kinda cute when they first did vtr but then they ruined it by doing vtr rome and actually featured the camarilla

>>98126590
To me it would make more sense to switch the names between the invictus and the camarilla and given how covenants work it would make more sense for the original meaning of the word, but I dunno
>they ruined it by doing vtr rome and actually featured the camarilla
why?

>>98126050
>How would an I Am Legend situaiton work out?
Elaborate bruh, if all you want to know is something like "how would each splat deal with the plague?" it would go something like
>Vampire: The Masquerade
Guess the Animalism clans are in charge outside whatever bunker where other clans preserve baseline humans. Infected blood becomes a much bigger deal, and some of the powers that cleanse a vampire of mortal diseases become more borderline universal. The Masquerade probably falls within 5 years of the pandemic.
>Werewolf: The Apocalypse
The ratkin rejoice at their greatest achievement only to get fucked by the Wyrm-related forces as they no longer have a reason to be secretive anymore alongside the rest of the Gaian forces because a 9 to 1 ratio of forces is still going to lead the group to die horribly.
The kinfolk now have to deal with mandatory beatings with disease sticks because of how cheap those are on paper.
>Mage: The Ascension
Some random asshole cures the plague within a week of encountering it.
>Wraith: The Oblivion
Same shit as usual
>Changeling: The Dreaming
They don't really care because they can get more glamour or something along those lines. Either that or everyone's depression kills the dreaming entirely as the 2010s piss filter is installed into reality.
>Kindred of the East
Same shit as western vampires.
>Hunter: The Reckoning
Same shit as the other end times.
>Mummy: The Resurrection
Everyone else dies, and the mummies become the origin point of a new Egyptian civilization in Memphis, because they might as well use the Bass Pro Shops Pyramid.
>Demon: The Fallen
Satan/Steve cures the plague or something.

>>98126289
>Also, didn’t a bunch of the Tremere support the Axis during WWII?
Every clan had their fingers in that pie. The only outlying disgraceful thing the Tremere did was embrace Himmler but he was unbondable and became an antitribu. So if that helps to save face.

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>>98125979
>nothing gets done and every session becomes at least 30% solo feeding scenes, which also don't really add anything of substance past the first time or if something goes wrong.
maybe if you're a terrible storyteller. i've ran for about a decade now and never had whatever the fuck problem you're making up

>>98126610
>why?
because of the fog of ages most kindred weren't even sure if the camarilla was actually a thing and it's existence was completely optional
because i have bloodline the hidden open right now:
>The Cult of Set was never officially destroyed. It simply withered away. Remaining members joined the Camarilla (assuming that elder covenant was not mythical itself)
so the covenant might not have existed and the name might have been a bastardization of something else and so forth

but then requiem of rome comes around and says "no everything is exactly as people remember" and the entire unreliable memory theme ending up meaning nothing

How often do Hunters get turned into the supernatural?

>>98126707
>How often do Hunters get turned into the supernatural?
Just often enough to keep the sorcerer numbers up.

>>98126580
>>98126590
>>98126610
>>98126623
What would be the grammatically correct Ancient Latin name for it?

>>98126707
knowledge of the supernatural makes it more likely to become a mage, but the numbers of that don't seem high enough for it to be a common thing the society of leopold has to worry about

there are atleast 3 npcs that used to be hunters before the embrace. over at asia however most hunters burn themselves out too much to become kuei jin

nothing is stopping a hunter from becoming a wraith after a failed hunt but the fact that they used to be a hunter is kinda unimportant at that point

>>98126348
>Get raped
>Will get raped
>Was raped

>>98126736
depends on what you want the camarilla to be if it is a proto covenant as described in older books then you can just use Senex or Ala Senecta which is the name and title they gave to the proto invictus in Requiem for Rome or something like Senatus Noctis might fit

if it is however the entire roman all night society as it's described as in Requiem for Rome then something like Imperium Noctis or Societas Nocturna might be closer to what you want

>>98126736
Just say it's a translation, this is the Lasombra issue all over again.

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>>98126736
Camarilla -> Camerula
Ivory Tower -> Turris Eburnea
Old Guard -> Veteres Custodes

>>98126736
The other anon gave a really good answer and I might actually use it now for my game.
I just suggested switching the names because invictus is already latin and the faction was too big to be essentially called "the clique"

If you're looking for a WoD-esque movie, I'd recommend Def by Temptation. It's the correct levels of horror and schlock that games should aim for. You could see it as what the succubus from Chicago by Night gets up to in her off hours.

>>98126736
i would put forward the Eternal Senate / Senatus Aeternus first because it's another vtm reference but one that fits better and second because the very name hints at the hubris that caused it's downfall given that it wasn't very Eternal at all
>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Eternal_Senate

>>98125488
>salubri meanwhile are arguably less playable then they ever been because of the whole tasty blood thing, have not been featured in everything beside the gehenna war book where they are either mindcontrolled by saulot or "goratrix's" cannon fodder against saulot ironically enough... The special snowflake players don't want to play them anymore because there is nothing special about them (in the positive sense as unique disciplines got deleted) and because the writers finally decided what they wanted to do with saulot and that being that he is and has always been a evil mind control monster (in the same edition that gives the salubri dominate) the goodguy vampire players also seemed to jump ship
Didn't they have Saulot split into good and evil halves for 5e? I could swear it was the evil half that turned into the worm thing.

>>98127306
that was a plot point in bjd but that hasn't shown up in v5 itself yet only the super evil saulot

and bjd is only semi canon to v5 just like all "legacy content"

>>98127306
iirc that bullshit came from DA20 and got resolved in a tie in scenario to the End Times, the one where Trememes used the Mormons to substitute Adam.

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How would they fare in the WoD?

>>98127439
Pretty decently, they might have some competition in the hunt for the shiny sun rock though.

>>98127439
I don't watch that kind of gay porn, what can they do?

>>98127467
What kind of gay porn do you watch?

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>>98127475
pic related

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>>98127493
It's all good as long as you don't look at the sequel.

>>98127439
They stomp the average party, that’s for sure, plus lots of other monsters too. But anything with enough raw power just swats them like an insect.

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>>98127439
add them to the pile of ancient super races that were so super they went near extinct. Maybe have them live in the Hollow Earth alongside them

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>>98125878
>they might just elimate Giovanni as a whole from the setting
Good.

>>98127593
I wished I knew they shat the bed before reading like 100 chapters of it. While it still is entertaining, it is also really aimless most of the time. There's also a huge deal of scope creep as they deal with the Wu clan, the Worm, or whatever the fuck was going on.
Weirdly enough, it works well as WoD material if you isolate the plot lines like the underground fights determining stock trades, and the Wu clan sounds like the type of stuff the Eastern Books would cover.

>>98127621
>While it still is entertaining, it is also really aimless most of the time.
Admittedly, 99% of the entertainment is the threads.

>>98125620
>>98125711
Why was there no Scion vs WoD?

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>>98127467
they are to vampire what vampires are to humans, plus they have advanced protean-like powers and can't be hurt by anything other than sunlight

>>98127911
>they are to vampire what vampires are to humans
I prefer Strix for that.

>>98127746
Because you could use some of the stuff as is IIRC. Like sure there will be some bank but it's probably more manageable.

>>98127934
ok but they eat though their skin
one guy kills a human by bumping into him and "eating" half his body

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What was this nigga's problem?

>>98128274
Horns are just sculpted brain.

>>98128100
So like the guys with advanced Quietus
>>98128274
Old people mostly.

>>98128274
Space AIDS. It's one of the major vectors for Tziggery.

>>98128328
>Space AIDS-Associated Dementia
>SAAD
Grim

>>98128274
he believes in the sabbat nonsense, like he isn't just using the sect to justify his pet warcrimes and he isn't just using it as a tool to gain personal power no he truly actually in fact believes in it

So my ST had to quit due to schedule changes. I'd been helping write and even run some of the sessions though so I'm taking over. For my first order of business, all Brujah now suffer from frenzy if you shittalk Carthage. No contesting it either, because Brujah aren't allowed nice things.

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>>98128504
kek

>>98126247
Perfect companion for my blood bather Oskar Dirlewanger to fight NWO agent Shiloh Finkleberg. Thanks anon.

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>>98127612
>ancient super races that were so super they went near extinct.
Just today I was thinking how since Brujah is the clan I find most boring of all how I've never done a character for it. Decided on a "Wait, Troile Actually Fucked Up" Trujah apologist publicly, going real Trujah Archaeologist and trying to track one of the Trujah fucks down. Carthage was small potatoes when we can go back to the moment it all went wrong. And then diablerize him to steal temporis and terrorize the modern world with The World powers no one's seen in two thousand years.

>>98125878
They can remove the Tremere over my dead bidy. Usurpers have never BEEN so back. We will be making Tremere Stolen Moons cannon soon. Also Tremere Mummies but WoD wants to forget about Mummies so its gonna take a minute to remind them

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>>98128776
Paratrash hate Tremere.
In the end, it doesn't matter. It's not like they could make a good Vampire edition if they wanted.

Is Night Flier a good Vampire movie?
I mean, he does get a journalist after him, that's a masquerade breach...

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Guys...IT IS HAPPENING
https://www.gencon.com/events/317875

I can already hear 5th Edition apologists trying to do damage control on how perfect everything is!

Only 3 splats in the whole 5th Edition, 1average V5, 1 hated W5 and 1 blandass H5!

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>>98128876
it's probably just a gencon website thing

>>98128876
>getting V6 before we've even got the big three out
Magefags live another day.

>>98128893
Maybe they are smart enough to realize 5th Edition doesn't fit Mage?
...
Nah, if they did, they would have stopped the 5th Edition bullshit long ago.

>>98128876
Is any anon going to gencon?

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>>98128876
>The Masquerade is changing. Old powers are moving. Familiar conflicts are surfacing. Sit down, sharpen your fangs, and find out what these changes mean for you. Then tell us directly.
>The monsters are back. The nights are shifting, alliances may fracture, and the World of Darkness is at a turning point that players like you can help affect
Doesn't sound like Dark Ages. It may actually be V6, folks.

>>98126233
No problem, there's a lot of hidden gems in those nWoD splat neutral books.

>>98128876
Wishlist? What do you want to see?

>>98128995
Forget 5th Edition entirely, lore and mechanics all. Obliterate it from orbit like Ravnos Antediluvian.

At very least fix the mess with the Second Inquisition, technocracy adverse Camarilla and the lame Discipline stuff like Amalgams.

>>98129094
Hear, hear!
Also, more Tremere. Including more House Tremere. It used to be a cool Hermetic House, use that.
Give the koldun losers some cool stuff like they did with the STVault books.
More focus on the Camarilla, the anarchs should be a distant second/third.

>>98129094
The thing is, how do they improve from 20th without royally screwing things over? All they really need to do is balance celerity and thaumaturgy. But doing either of those things is going to piss someone off.

>>98128907
>Doesn't sound like Dark Ages
yeah during the dark ages it wasn't even called the Masquerade

>>98128995
The Anarchs get together and hash out a coherent vision of how exactly they'll try and run things if they win and how they'll avoid the pitfalls that'd end up in them just becoming the Camarilla again. Of course, writing out that kind of political theory is easier said than done especially since it's gonna be picked over with absolutely zero good faith.

>>98129188
This general getting together and curing cancer sounds more plausible.

>>98128876
it also says that it's 6th edition but not a demo event

so there must be atleast one typo in there

>>98129247
Oh I was also imagining shitloads of infighting in the group because like fuck would they like going along with a plan to create a government, but have at least one chunk of the Anarchs with a decent plan set up.

>>98125480
>Last thread an anon had a theory about the Tremere using thaumaturgy to stain glasses with the blood of supernatural creatures/clans for different effects. What sort of effects can you come up with?
not suprised that nobody answered because this kinda difficult isn't it? vampires aren't lacking when it comes to vision based powers, auspex 1 covers seeing better, protean 1 or a one dot abyss ritual cover nightsight (vampires should have this on base in my opinion...), spirit manipulation 1 let's you see into the umbra, a necromancy ritual and several powers allow you to see into the underworld, auspex 2 let's you see emotions and potentially other invisible splats and seeing invisible magic is a combination power already too

and none of these need glasses

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>>98128876
FUCK YES V5 IS DEAD

>>98128995
wishlist
remove hunger dice and messy crits
bring back clan specific disciplines
make elders playable again
remove all v5isms like the cam being exclusive, tremere being broken and useless, cam ban on tech etc
i don't expect any of this though

>>98129394
>make elders playable again
the descriptions mentions that
>The monsters are back. The nights are shifting
so perhaps the beckoning is over? and now you have all those elders coming home to find younger but entrenched upstart princes there

>>98128876
>Minimum Players: 4
>Maximum Players: 15
>Experience Required:None (You've never played before - rules will be taught)
>Duration:3 hr
imagine running a game in a new edition with 15 strangers who have never played it before while also being on a timer

>>98128995
>Wishlist? What do you want to see?
Paradox going bankrupt and its entire board of directors dying of an extremely agonizing STD.

>>98126763
Yes but you're supposed to be a fed so you can get back at them. You can literally call in a drone strike if you can justify it. Imagine the level of rape the government will inflict.

>>98128995
unblacklist CofD and give me more Hunter: the Vigil books, I'm really entirely past caring about "official" VtM releases. Don't like the mechanics, don't like the fluff, already made my own alternative, and there's maybe a tiny fraction of a chance that they'd make anything worth cribbing. I'd even go so far as to say that they're just going to balkanize the player base even further, especially if instead of ignoring the events of V5, they write a fuckload of nonsense explanations for how things suddenly magically returned to the status quo. Even if most of us want a return, those justifications will feel suspension of disbelief destroying, if indeed V5's fluff didn't already destroy it for you.

Either way I remain skeptical as hell about all these "leaks". Especially since "editions" are a loose term in WoD. 1st, 2nd, and Revised didn't change much foundationally and are mostly cross-compatible. nWoD 1e and 2e (CofD) are more different, but still not as different as a new D&D edition is from its previous, it's more like a .5 by the D&D standard. Then 20th is basically a reprint of Revised with a few fixes, and a few more in DA20. V5 was the major break with notably different mechanics and lore, so a "new edition" could change barely anything and essentially serve as a way to re-release the core rules with different fluff for money and attention.

>>98127467
Other anons were under-selling it. The Pillar People were some ancient advanced race of offshoot humans that couldn't go out in the sun for fear of turning to stone. Then the one in the purple hijab invented a mask that turns people into vampires, and used it on himself and his best pal. The rest of the pillar people thought they were abominations and a threat to all life on the planet, so the now vampires killed the rest of their race save two babies. The creator of the mask, Kars, was convinced that he could become even more powerful, the ultimate life form, if he could get the spikes of the mask to pierce their skulls deeper. For that he needed a magic sun rock and with his small cohort kept trying to get it, sometimes going into very lengthy torpors for unknown reasons. Human blood wasn't very sating to them, so they'd turn humans into vampires to eat them.

Power wise I'd rate them as on par with physically oriented methuselah, albeit with more of a focus on being downright unkillable. Nothing save sun magic punches can seriously damage them, and even then it takes a lot to put one down for good. No mindfuckery though means they suck logistically and even have to pull a Sabbat and mass shovelhead people at one point.

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>>98128995
Unironically like an anon said a couple threads ago: Literally everything they need to do is reprint V20 with the fixed Celerity/Fortitude/Potence from DAV20, other disciplines too, sure. And not forgetting the Blood Brothers and Tlacique this time. And stop cucking the new CofD/20aniv releases. I still want my HtR20.

They can do whatever they want with lore, I can just ignore the retarded parts.

>>98129560
Even if they did, by breaking faith with OPP they've basically made it so OPP can't trust they won't do it again. And they're already deep into producing a competing product.

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Okay, you're the Prince of your domain and the kine have found some Nossies and have put it on blast on social media; how in the hell would you go about disposing of this evidence to maintain the Masquerade

https://x.com/ViralNewsNYC/status/2060435920378028345
https://x.com/YWNReporter/status/2060407048748122307

>>98130007
One of those mole people that live in New York
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlK3QbPAE-I

>>98130007
have the guys in the actual video killed or staked depending on how important and connected they are and tell the rest of the clan to pack it up and find somewhere else to be beside the sewers while this blows over

i am sure someone will organise a haven for them for a boon or two if they need help

>>98130007
Tunnel jews, clearly.

>>98128995
CtD and HtR but better. (Bedlam and Undoing becoming narrative endings for Changelings instead of mechanical ones, True Fae existing in the Deep Dreaming/stealing that idea from CtL where Changelings can become Fae, HtR needs a redo for a hunter that lives beyond the zombie hoard)

WtA to return more to 20th in style but change a few things about totems to make them more accessible, more merits and flaws as well. Otherwise not many issues there. A return of kinfolk, obviously. If I'm being really greedy then change up the rank system to give higher ranks more tangible power increases other than the opportunity to gain better gifts.

MtA unchanged, I think that they kind of got as far as they could with 20th edition, maybe some more fringe factions and slightly faster growth speed?

Oh and if we're REALLY pulling from the depths of wishes, I want an updated version of Mummy and Demon, but I know that isn't happening.

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>>98130106
>MtA unchanged, I think that they kind of got as far as they could with 20th edition, maybe some more fringe factions and slightly faster growth speed?
They could make Arete + Sphere the default instead of just Arete.
This would help newfags who don't know the system to actually cast decently powerful effects

>>98129301
Fair enough point. Auspex kinda renders a lot potential uses redundant but i think that's where half the fun comes from. Glasses are meant to enchance your vision, not necessarily replace your eyes. When I saw the original question my mind went more towards things like Ventrue blood gives a bonus to dominate. Brujah blood giving a resistance to presence. Gangrel blood lets you see a bestial aura that becomes more defined as a vampire's beast gets closer to surfacing. Nosferatu blood gives you an insight on someone's inner ugliness. Setite blood giving you an insight on someone's vices.

Im not overly familiar with other splats but I figured the blood of a mage would have a different effect depending on what their primary sphere is.

I’ll be honest, this is coming from the Hunter The parenting discussion, but in the World of Darkness, did the historical Inquisition commit the same bad acts it did in real life, and was it considered objectively good in-universe because of its actions against paranormal threats? Or did they simply believe they were doing good while actually causing harm when it came to dealing with the paranormal in that setting?

>>98129868
Hey man I was asked for my hopes, no specification of them being realistic. They essentially smothered my favorite splat (HtV) with a pillow and rushed out a shitty sanitized knock-off to undercut it. I'm not going to support anything they do until they make amends for it. As for my second favorite, VtM, I haven't really fucked with the "official" lore since even before V5, and I don't like its mechanics so again, zero cause to support it. From where I'm standing, unless they basically democratize the IP and let people make 20th and CofD books again, even if those people aren't OPP (shit, if I could make a job out of it I'd spit out HtV books myself), the best case scenario for me is if they just stop putting things out at all. TTRPGs are not a medium that requires constant updates and content and should be democratized more anyway.

>>98130301
It's a mixed bag, the inquisition started as: a vampire ploy to kill other vampires / mage ploy to push their version of the consensus / whatever other splat believe - before spiraling out of control and turning on everything supernatural. They did torture people (Torquemada found out about vampires that way) and innocents did get killed along the way here and there. Vampires were driven into hiding (even more so than usual), werewolves were getting fucked along with their kinfolk and mages lost so hard that the Order of Reason started turning the consensus in their favour. Since you mentioned HtP, it's worth mentioning that the Society of Leopold was started by the leader of the Shadow Inquisition. They were dedicated to purging supernaturals and not heretics.

>>98130301
what wod ended up deciding when it came to fleshing out the dark age verison of other splats is that the inqusition and the shadow inqusition are two different but related things

in the inqusition is exactly as you know them and the shadow inquisition are insane paladin monster hunters playable in the inquisitor books that mindfuck themselves into being more zealous than other true faith users to the point where they curse themselves. As you can imagine they aren't presented as being super nice people(in fact they are the dark age counterparts for the imbued) but most of the splats are also presented as at least somewhat deserving of the beating the got from these guys

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>>98130301
They did commit the bad acts they did in RL but well, WoD is a fucking awful place in those times.

>>98130301
Pretty much any question like this is a massive "it depends". First it depends on your table. I know everything is canon oWoD vomit is a common baseline for lore discussion, but I've never encountered a table that actually ran that. HtP is trickier because they're definitely running a table canon which is a mashup of oWoD and WoD5 and I even spotted a Vigil port last episode.

The closest thing to objective truth I can give you is that it was a mixed bag. First the mortal inquisition and the fuckery that led to the Society of Leopold were related, and often overlapped, but were not the same. Second, they absolutely did make mistakes and kill innocents for suspected trafficking with the supernatural. Third, unless you believe total supernatural death is justified, they absolutely did some messed up things. For example, the majority of vampires slain by the inquisition were clueless fledglings, and they didn't get a clean death. They were tortured for information first, information they didn't know. This was a frankly stupid tactic that vampires at the time used to try (and largely fail) to avoid hunters. Sire a rando so the hunters will catch them and think they got the vampire. Only when the Inquisitors interrogated this poor confused rando, they not only realized quite quickly this wasn't the evil vampire lord they were after, they also learned a lot about the physiology of their foe.

The SoL are a mixed bag. They do good, but they're rigid in their view that all supernatural creatures are servants of the devil. To try and redeem any of them is viewed as arch heresy and purged with extreme gusto. Also they shot a pope once.

>>98130334
>>98130301
>Hunter The parenting discussion,
About the Coalition I'm interested in the Irish Community people group.
Anything interesting to share about them?

>>98130498
>Irish Community people group.

the what?

So, what are the Hunter games that you guys recommend? And which one(s) are easier to find online on the official discord? I think there is
>Hunter Hunted
>Hunter: the Reckoning
>Hunter: the Vigil
>Hunter: the Reckoning (5th Edition)

>>98130668
Vigil is the best by a fairly wide margin, but idk if you can find games for it on the official discord, I've never been there.

Reckoning is fine if you enjoy its conceit, Hunters Hunted isn't even a full splat but can be fun. H5 is a glorified pamphlet, avoid.

>>98130668
HtV > HH > HtR > H5.
In order, HtV is one of the best CofD games if not the best, HH is the truest to the typical hunter fantasy in WoD, HtR provides a unique twist on hunters that is a matter of taste and H5 is barren, unfinished and devoid of personality.

>>98130668
Hunters Hunted if you want to play as mostly normies in WoD. (Look at books like Demon Hunter X, The Inquisition, Halls of Arcanum etc, for more organized and higher level Hunter play)
Hunter the Reckoning if you want to play something like Buffy, where you are chosen for it by higher powers. Racing against your own degrading mind and body from powers you aren't suppose to possess.
Vigil if you want a sandbox to play in Chronicles of Darkness. It does allow every style of play with its Tiers but it is mostly sandbox in nature and isn't in WoD.

Avoid H5, it is like the unwanted child of Hunters Hunted and the Vigil, with none of their strengths but all of their weakness, given the adopted name of Reckoning to sell well.

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So, tonight's session is ready to go. We have yakuza hunters pushing the bridge like the Red Line pushing D6 and potentially a toreador on the red list providing assistance to get damn cammies out of Okinawa. If the players tell her faction will determine if they get to push from the bridge or deploy via portal. They've been instructed to rescue the yakuza boss' daughter after she turned out to be a magical girl and ran across the bridge alone like a fucking retard, and the toreador will want elysium bombed to shit.

The golden retriever kinain will be getting a mortar, with my magical girl providing support via calculations. We may also have another magical girl PC running a medbay if we take the portal insertion approach.

>>98130711
Yeah 100% HtV. I am CofD biggest hater but Vigil is the one official splat I won't shit on. Throw in a few imbued as a rarity and you have what HtR should have been imo.

>>98130693
>>98130711
Vigil, huh? Alright. Sounds fun.
Does it have the Hunter orgs from WoD? I know that some of the old stuff made it into the new universe.

For reckoning do you have to be imbued to have powers, or simply being a PC character? I just don’t vibe with the idea of being partially schizophrenic as a rule.

>>98130725
Hunters Hunted looks cool, but I’ve rarely seen it pop up on the official discord. Also I played it once and it was pretty high lethality. Without someone with healing powers the whole group is out for weeks at best after a single hunt.

Also H5 has the touchstone system. I have utter revulsion for it. I don’t even seem, nor seek, to understand it. I just close the manual and look somewhere else.

-=-
Without looking specifically into any system I was tempted to play a Face/Smart character. A member of a religious hunter org (like the Society of Leopold, or one of its branches). Instead of having merits I would have invested everything in background points.

>Father Hadrian Graves (name can change depending on the location of the chronicle)
>Background; Armory -5, Base of Operation -12 (-2 Luxury, -5 Size, -5 Security), Influence -3, Contact -3, Resources -5
>Flaws; Sickly +1, Asthma +1, Bad Sight +1, Chronic Illness +4, Minus 1 Strength
>Hadrian is part of a long dynasty of Hunters in the SoL, but unfortunately he has always been too sickly to train as an inquisitor and go on hunts. Even with his volatile health he still wants to do his best and contribute to the fight, so he invested his family’s fortune into building an academy to teach the soldiers of the church how to hunt the supernatural.
>Most of the day Hadrian is confined to his bed, forced to rest, or teaching to some neophytes, but he often hopes that he could one day find a group to take him on nightly hunts and chase the creatures of the night.

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Almost forgot to ask but does anybody have V20 sheets for Christof Romuald and Anezka? Would save me some time.

AI sloppa of my magical girl when transformed for your troubles. She doesn't have the Kar98k. Yet.

>>98130800
>Does it have the Hunter orgs from WoD? I know that some of the old stuff made it into the new universe.
It has rough equivalents, that fill the same archetypes.
The CofD equivalent of the Society of Saint Leopold is probably the Malleus Maleficarum, Catholic vampire hunters who can perform rituals in order to channel the miracles of various saints.

>>98130800
Vigil has its own list of hunter groups, divided into two categories based on their scale, Compacts and Conspiracies. The former being generally regional and the latter being at least multi-regional if not global.

I disagree with the other anons, Vigil is shockingly setting agnostic for a WoD game. It had a series of books about typical supernatural categories (such as vampires or witches) and encouraged you making "vampires" that bore no similarities to the "official" vampires. There are rules for creating custom compacts and conspiracies, so porting any oWoD group you want isn't too difficult. Not just for hunters but for enemies too, Vigil has a monster creation system so you don't need to go trawling through a dozen other books just to make your enemies. It's a game that rewards STs willing to actually do more than the bare minimum, and I appreciate it immensely for that. I run a hybrid setting myself, and I've never had any issue from Vigil.

Reckoning is explicitly for imbued. Hunters Hunted is for normal humans.

minor nitpick but I hate it when people use the BJD-V5 "St. Leopold" thing instead of just Leopold.

What sets your guys' autism off?

>>98130866
th'n blood alchemy just annoys me everytime it's mentioned

>>98130622
>>98130498
The Union

https://youtu.be/UD6GD0yVVPw?t=1262

>>98130924
Those guys weren't Irish, they were working class Brits.

Anyway The Union is a Hunter: the Vigil compact they cribbed pretty blatantly and transported to the UK. They even used the term compact rather than org. Not that I'm complaining, Vigil is great and I'll take what I can get.

They're about the same as in the books. The only difference is the tabletop Union is pretty explicitly American but I could see something similar popping up in other parts of the anglosphere. Largely working class, in some ways an up-jumped neighborhood watch. That local focus is also their weak point, as it can lead to an overly defense-minded attitude. They were also early pioneers of using the internet to network. They're simple in that regard, what you see (largely working class community-minded hunters) is what you get.

>>98130971
>compact they cribbed pretty blatantly
I'm not quite so what you mean by that please explain it by someone who doesn't understand it's a national politics that much please.
Also are these guys playable in that game?

>>98131025
They're from Chronicles, not world, so it's a straight-up transplant. And yes they're explicitly playable.

>>98131025
nta. hunter the vigil is not the same setting as hunter the parenting

hunter the vigil and the union are in chronicles of darkness which is another world than the world of darkness that was originally meant to be a reboot kinda thing

the makers from hunter the parenting however ported them over and put them in another country because world of darkness is otherwise kinda light on smaller hunter orgs

and yes the union is playable in vigil

The Tremere anons have inspired me.

"A recent addition to the Tremere and a local of Kouri Island. Oddly, she had a dhampir ancestor of Ravnos descent, making her the perfect candidate for the Tremere's attempts at stealing the art of Sadhana. The fledgling Atelier is being trained in her duties by her sire, Scholar Vincent Arklas. Her current tasks see her practicing early stages of Sadhana Blood Nectar Alchemy, in addition to making the Chantry's red glasses.

>>98131025
The others already explained it pretty well. They're a playable hunter group in Vigil, and they almost copied them 1 for 1 only really changing the locale. HtP is already a hybrid setting even if the IP owners refuse to acknowledge how different WoD5 and oWoD are, so it's not that jarring to me.

And as I keep having to say, taking ideas from one WoD and putting them into another used to be pretty common, at least it was when I was when I was getting into the hobby. Those original translation guides existed for a reason. Now it seems like everyone's an armchair lore purist.

>>98131092
>>98131059
>>98131050
I actually already knew does the This game line do have chronicles of darkness I did watch the hunter the parenting getting into world Darkness video thing And also even before that when I think will the darkness was supposed to have been dead and chronicles of darkness at that point was the new setting and the world was supposed to happen put behind I think that was a few years before Hunter the parenting started I'm not sure how many.

>>98131106
Bot post.

Just passing by so sorry if it's discussed every thread or if it's a troll question. But I was browsing OPP's website and it got me wondering... is Curseborne good?

>>98131122
no

>>98130849
none of the playable characters from vtm the video games ever got stats because they are (you)r characters

>>98131126
Was weird to me a single book could accomplish this much. Where did it fail?

>>98131225
Like every other urban fantasy heartbreaker it doesn't tell you anything useful to run a game, no locations, no clue if the mortals know or do not about the supernaturals, what the fuck is even a curse supposed to be etc and there has to be more to do with supernaturals teaming up than adolescential rebellion against your family.

>>98131144
I'm aware. Was just wondering if anyone made one for their own usage and didn't mind posting it. I'll just throw one together before next week. Won't need it this session anyway.

>>98131284
Oh. Is the teenage angst something baked in the rules or just the campaign? Because if the latter I could easily dismiss that as easily as I dismissed any named character in my VtM games of old.

>>98131326
If you are going to do everything yourself might as well play GURPS

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If you could add magical properties to an F22 stealth fighter, what would you do to it?
I don't even know what I'm gonna do with it but I want it and I have the spheres/knowledge to make it.

>>98131072
I like this
>>98131059
HtP's studio has said before that though the setting is primarily H5-based, it will incorporate elements from both pre-5th WoD, CofD, and nu-WoD that they prefer

>>98130866
My autism is set of whenever names aren't capitalized
>>98130668
Vigil and Hunters Hunted is the easiest to introduce a group of friends into the IP

>>98131349
Pffft. Okay bud.

>>98130301
Irl nquisition was medieval IRS for the Pope. “Witch tests” were coin tests in a funny hat: drown it, weigh it, prick it, check the mark, burn it - density, weight, surface, stamp, melting point.
"Witches" and "sorcerers" were burned by their own fellow villagers who wanted to seize their shit/

>>98131375
lever for empowering the effects of a sonic boom
barrel roll functionality complete with deflection capabilities
magic missile
robot unicorn attack mode, in case of emergency

>>98131375
Make it magically cheaper than it has any right to be. That aside you could give it some future sight allowing the pilot to actually react to some of the shit he will have to deal with.

>>98131416
Yes everyone wanted to kill these women
>For their shit
Hundreds of years before women were known to have property rights. Either you're being oppressed or your not, there's no need for witchkillings (which were often big public affairs again the last thing you want if stealing their land, lest by chance a long lost male blooded relative shows up) to oppress them off their land.

The truth, just like the inquisition. Lots of women have a fucking 90 IQ maximum, and are more prone to crimes of passion. Poisonings, Baby Murder, in some cases just plain inability to follow basic social order. They didn't let people shit in their cherrios back then, and women love to shit test things. yes people got tired of their shit, But check the number of women who died to witchcraft (who were almost always given long periods of 'WHY CAN'T YOU JUST FOLLOW YOU THE RULES YOU STUPID CUNT' as numerous inquisiiton records show) vs just regular violent crime.
>Oh wait women as always were coddled in the extreme
Believe it or not, if you were disliked enough for a witchfinder to find you, you almost certainly have broken enough laws to deserve what you get.

>>98131122
>is Curseborne good?
I haven't read anything beyond some of the drafts, it was an ok game but it really feels like you need a better hook than what the game gives.

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What kind of media would the average Metis gravitate towards and how would their parent tribe change that?
Presume that the mistake is also a zomer or gen alpha.

>>98131122
i am very mixed on curseborne. i like the storyteller ultra stuff, the tricks and practices and the dead might be my favorite take on the ghost and zombie undead in these games. But not all Lineages feel equally well made, families are kinda weak as far as mechanical identity goes when you compare it to tribe or clans from either cofd or wod and it really feels like there is something missing like a faction/compact/covenant kinda deal because right now most of the two books seem to assume that your faction is also your familly with most running similarly to a sort of magic mafia familly but that your group will be a found familly made out of different kind of characters who are magically binding themselves to each other who are however all also still members of their families with the only exception being orphans (think caitiff) and those who join up with one of the Venators (monster hunter) groups that also take in accursed to help hunt their own kind

i am also not the greatest fan of some normal humans just being far more powerful for no real reason just because they are more important in the plot

>>98131106
Ecstatics failing to ascend be like
>>98130866
Thank you, I was just thinking the same.
>>98130875
>Thinbloods get access to special thinblood magic
What the fuck. I knew beforehand but still doesn't make sense they get special powers real clans just don't.

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>>98125480
If belief shapes reality, would the lore from Scientology become real in at least small ways, create small entities at least? The cult numbers aren't doing so hot these days, its 'new' members are usually born into it. But I think it's still a sizeable belief that it could alter reality in the WoD setting, or am I wrong?

>>98131812
>What the fuck. I knew beforehand but still doesn't make sense they get special powers real clans just don't.
You know how the old lore let the Caitiffs make their own disciplines? They decided to make that a more common thing but unified it under a umbrella so they don't need to separate 3 powers worth of ideas across 5 levels like many Caitiffs players did at the time.
They also really wanted them to be relevant so the Trememes lost most of their paths so the Thin Bloods could be relevant.

>>98131826
they are not nearly large enough to change reality on earth, but stuff based on their belief would exist in the umbra

you just need to think and dream about stuff for it to show up in the higher umbra that's why the VE HATE whoever decided to make lovecraft popular

>>98131826
>If belief shapes reality, would the lore from Scientology become real in at least small ways, create small entities at least?
They would be reality in some horizon realm but those are always weird at the best of times.

What clan should I go for a meek and mild Dunsirn man whose sire is his sexy grandma who he wants to fuck? Despises his mother, adores his paternal grandmother.

>>98131375
>Making an F-22 objectively less stealthy

>>98131877
...Giovanni for the easy way.
Probably Toreador since they are the ones that are kinkiest.

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>>98131836
>you just need to think and dream about stuff for it to show up in the higher umbra that's why the VE HATE whoever decided to make lovecraft popular
Maybe this sounds a little silly, but hear me out.
Have you ever gone deep enough into DeviantArt, old blogs, or obscure internet communities and run into people with genuinely bizarre beliefs? For example, people who sincerely believe that Sephiroth from Final Fantasy is real and that they communicate with him on the astral plane, or that they're destined to leave this reality and marry Princess Peach. Then there's all the Sonichu-related stuff.

Obviously, most people would consider these beliefs delusional or detached from reality, but the important thing is that the belief itself seems completely sincere even when it sounds absurd. What exactly is happening in cases like that in the World of Darkness? Would Sonichu and Sephiroth exist in the umbra?

So is V6 for real for real?
I felt the urge to write up a bunch of weird custom monsters but if V6 is dropping, I’ll wait for that first

>>98131877
>>98131877
Nagaraja, I don't care how they are a bloodline.

>>98131887
>What exactly is happening in cases like that in the World of Darkness? Would Sonichu and Sephiroth exist in the umbra?
your sephiroth tulpa spirit might not be as powerful as the final fantasy 7 antagonist unless a lot of people start beliving in him but yeah stuff like that or snapewives can be a thing in wod and something that void engineers have to take serious

>>98131915
>Snapewives
Like the character from Harry Potter?

>>98131968
Snapewives or "Snapeism" used to be a... thing around 20 years ago (your comment about old blogs and DeviantArt made me think about that time) where a group of tumblr girls all convinced themselves each other that they are married to the astral spirit of, yes, the harry potter character and would make up rituals to "channel" him they also claimed that J.K. Rowling was also merely "channeling" Snape’s spirit when she wrote the books
>https://fanlore.org/wiki/Snapewives
peak mage material

>>98131892
it's likely. they've got some playtests going and it's listed as 6th edition. it's possible that this i s because of some website/gencon related nonsense but that seems unlikely

>>98128995
sexy gangrels

>>98132005
Nah, they will stretch the lifespan of this edition like wizards is doing of their own 5e.
A 5.5 version of the game would change a whole lot of nothing going on just like original.

>>98131984
Yeah...we need to bring the pogrom back.

Why didn’t they make a big BG3 style game in order to coincide with V6?
Are they stupid?

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What is good about Werewolf the Apocalypse and Werewolf the Forsaken? What would you consider their main draws?

No joke. Have been thinking a bit about themes, gameplay, and what gives a splat its own identity.

What is it that makes Werewolf, Werewolf? What makes players want a game in that specific splat over any of the rest of oWoD or nWoD?

>>98125480
Have any of you read or played CofD dark eras? I love the neolithic age setting for Mage and Werewolf.

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>>98132161
>What is good about Werewolf the Apocalypse and Werewolf the Forsaken? What would you consider their main draws?
Apocalypse is fun because of all the weird shit you will encounter when fighting Pentex. Let's be real, 90% of WtA lore is pretty boring in comparison to the grimdark Captain Planet enemies.
Forsaken is if you want a similar game with rules that suck a lot less to actually play.

>What is it that makes Werewolf, Werewolf? What makes players want a game in that specific splat over any of the rest of oWoD or nWoD?
Both splats are really focused on hunting your enemies. WtA is about how fucked you are because your kind shot themselves in the foot because they couldn't cope with not being the undisputed apex of the supernatural, and their ecology is basically collapsing around them because they killed everyone who could reasonably help to solve the problem.
WtA is about managing your territory and trying to avoid the situation the Garou were stuck in, even if you also have fuck-all in terms of allies.

Neither of the games is about the edgy RAGE bullshit despite some of the mechanics tied to frenzy. The Garou especially have a bunch of weird powers that make them sound a lot closer to sorcerers on roids rather than predators.

>>98132256
Garou lore can be interesting because you look at these guys, and you read up that the Shadow Lords have been subtly pushing a small government overthrow for environmentalist policies and how thousands died or something and how they go door to door Metis making to make the Silver Fangs seethe, and you're like
>How are these the good guys?
And then you read Freak Legion.

>>98132256
I feel like neglecting the supernatural anger aspect of the Garou lessens the drama of essentially being forced conscripted into the war against Pentex, seeing as how even without other Garou around to force you
>You get mad over disrespect to rather large levels
>You constantly hear spirits and the screams of Gaia and get nightmares over the thing
>Have difficulties kowtowing and being submissive consistently
>Are at risk of exploding into a ball of anger and murdering a good portion of people around you
It being extremely difficult for a Garou to stay employed on the longer term and essentially having no real options outside of the Garou Nation (save for being high willpower) can be pretty compelling. Yeah playing it up to the point that you're an edgelord who mauls a single mother of 3 because she littered once is excessive and a bit cringe, but it should be a legitimate risk for your werewolf to work a long term job with an asshole boss unless your guy has been beaten into submission by life a billion times.

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>>98129301
>and none of these need glasses
The red glasses are only there to correct myopia. Not all kindred are cured of that shit with the Embrace.

>>98131892
I'm skeptical. Lot of "trust me bro" and it's all coming out too quickly. Just got a gut feeling it's off base. Also, as mentioned earlier V6 doesn't necessarily mean what people might want it to mean, WoD editions typically change far less than say, D&D editions.

>>98132517
>I feel like neglecting the supernatural anger aspect of the Garou lessens the drama of essentially being forced conscripted into the war against Pentex, seeing as how even without other Garou around to force you
It does to a significant degree, but it is mainly about avoiding excessive derails because of John Elder taking more credit than he should or something along those lines. As for having mundane jobs, no character I have played with was able to get or keep work because every third power bypasses the need for it.
The Garou meta has always been and always will be about becoming a murder pimp.

>>98132199
I have but I mostly read it for inspiration rather than hard material. I'm enough of a history sperg that I often have my own eras in mind.

>>98132662
Fair yeah, but newbies largely aren't going to have those powers

>>98132161
Forsaken's big thing is Balance, and using the Hunt to maintain it.

The lore is that in ancient times, Father Wolf patrolled the border between Spirit and Material. He met Luna, they fell in love, and they bore an entire race, the Uratha, or Werewolves. The Uratha learn the ways of the Hunt from Father Wolf, and gained blessings from Mother Luna. But Father Wolf grew old, and could not do his duty. So the ones loyal to the idea of the Duty got together, and decided to give Father Wolf a clean, merciful, honorable death. Luna wasn't happy about this, and cursed all Uratha to be weak to silver for it, but those loyal to the Duty swore an oath to her that they and their descendants would forever maintain the Balance, and regained her blessings. But a craven group both refused to participate and refused to swear the oath, these "Pure" want to destroy their kin loyal to the Duty and simply let the Spirits act freely, and are butthurt at Luna because her curse applies to them, too.

In modern times, the Uratha Hunt to keep spirits from running rampant in the material world, as well as hunt people when they cause problems for the spirits. Though they may also need to let spirits in to the material world or let people have harmful effects on the spirit world. It's kind of a thing they have to play by ear.

I'll note as well that instead of a "morality" track, they have a balance track as half-Human, half-Spirit beings, and have to do things that bring them back towards the middle if they get too far towards one side or the other.

I know there are merits that allow a player to raise a single attribute one dot over the normal limit (like Legendary Attribute in Ascension and Epic Potential for Beast CofD), but are there merits that let you go higher than that? Or to just raise multiple stats over the normal limit?

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>>98130752
Session ended. Clan Tremere (the entire fucking clan) has betrayed the Camarilla. Inanimae that's totally not just blonde Yotsugi surrounded Camp Mint with plants that she then turned into a steel wall, 5 feet thick and 30 feet tall. Territory taken, power substation hit with white phosphorus on accident, local Ventrue leadership hit with white phosphorus thanks to a tip from the Tremere. Also a transport of Ventrue neonates was bombed with an 80mm HE mortar shell.

>>98132794
>Tremere has betrayed
Must be a day ending in Y.

>>98132875
The two I had my players meet were wearing red glasses. One made of a Brujah, the other from the finest of Verbena.

Verbena glasses is also learning Sadhana, Path of the Blood Nectar.

>>98132115
Larian was definitely an easy choice for Wizards as they were already very successful with Original Sin 2 before BG3. Paradox obviously didn't care much about it in the first place but I wonder if they wanted a successful game which company could they even hire? The people that made Deus Ex?

>>98133047
Paradox makes baroque spreadsheets with graphics. Even CCP was an MMO company when they bought White Wolf intending to make an MMO of it (but putting the former head of WW in charge of the new studio for said MMO was probably what made the process so bad). But Paradox bought it because they wanted to make Bloodlines 2. They didn't think "are we experienced or interesting in doing this right?" They just saw a cash cow they could exploit, which is also why there's so many low-fi VNs they're cranking out now.

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>>98133195
>but putting the former head of WW in charge of the new studio for said MMO was probably what made the process so bad
Almost guaranteed.

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>>98133208
>instead of vibe coding he was vibe managing
This man was truly ahead of his time.

>>98133047
Deus Ex Human Revolution is sort of the blueprint for everything that a modern WoD CRPG should be, in terms of mood and atmosphere and non-linearity and mechanics.

>>98132899
>Sadhana
Why not Karma or Praapti/Mercury?

>>98133195
>>98133208
It's so fucking easy to criticize others from the comfort of your home. If you are so good, why don't YOU try making a bloodlines 2 full of shzaaah and woooopsh?

>>98132161
For Apocalypse, I find the core concept of playing a game of righteous anger very compelling. Trying to do the right thing and fighting battles you care about in a world not of greys but of darkness has a certain romance to it. There's a lot of drama about being a hero but always doing the wrong thing, always doing something shameful that haunts you. Plus getting to be a giant murder machine is just cool, even if the theme of the game is more of a reverse power fantasy. Also, I like larping all the faux spiritual/tribal stuff.

Let's not kid ourselves, V6 is not going to throw V5's nonsense out the window as much as we'd like, because they will write for an unspecified number of people whose first contact with VTM was V5.

>>98133502
At least we can have some fun laughing at all the dumb shit they'll come up with to justify the changes to the setting.
Sure, they could just reboot the whole thing, but paratards are too dumb for that.

>>98133502
i heard that that at least hunger and rage dice are something that the new team does not like at all, but i am not on the offical discord to check

>>98133333
> If you are so good, why don't YOU try making a bloodlines 2 full of shzaaah and woooopsh?
because i am taking my meds

>>98133333
I mean, it is not like we are criticizing without evidence. CCP fucked up their MMO project. Paradox fucked everything else, including Bloodlines 2.

>>98133502
>>98133607
I am giving 40% chance V20 style "might or might not happened" treatment to whole V5. Like how Ravnos clan and Week of Nightmares are left to you in V20.

The other 40% will be a clumsy attempt to go back to pre-V5 but with in game justifications and plots. It will be funny as fuck to read how Beckoning ended, Sabbat and Elders are back and Hecate fractured.

The last 10% will ignore V5 completely but I doubt it.

>>98133333
I'm in the process of one actually quints man, you'll definitely hear about it if I successfully make it
Trust the plan

>>98133618
>The other 40% will be a clumsy attempt to go back to pre-V5 but with in game justifications and plots.
-The elders are coming back! On the jetplane!
-Gio had an affair with Toreador. Harbinger got jealous and left! The hecate are over!
-Somehow, the sects returned to what they used to be!
-The Pope had a bad day and declared the SI finished!

>>98133618
>I am giving 40% chance V20 style "might or might not happened" treatment to whole V5. Like how Ravnos clan and Week of Nightmares are left to you in V20.
i doubt it because they already said that they want to do MORE metaplot with more characters people can follow across the books

can't really do that if everything they do is optional and branches out into 3 different realities

>>98133633
They’re going to blame a Trump stand in for the SI collapse somehow

>>98133640
Yeah but they can make a new metaplot that isn't based on V5 bullshit if they turn the V5 into "maybe, maybe not". Just put some side panels on how if you are doing V5 metaplot, x and y changes for your actual metaplot

>>98133643
that would imply that isrealies are vampires and i doubt paradox wolf is based enough for that

I'd say it's safe to expect mainstream religions to have an even smaller role in V6.

>>98132778
There are no merits to go Limit+2 but you can raise your limit using Goblin Merchants

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>>98133691
MEET
THE
V6
WRITER

>>98132778
not merits but Goblin Market in cofd and Demons in owod can both do that for their customers

>>98133502
true, but it's not like they're going to do nothing, i'm just curious to see what will happen given the vastly different circomstances

>>98133643
DESU most of his recent actions would make him out to be a FIRSTLIGHT asset
I say Firstlight mostly because they are more about pushing American interests instead of hunting
>ICE is compromised by Firstlight, his remigration wave would definitely be used as cover for Haven burning
>Cammies have been using government
>Declaring drug traffickers as narco terrorists would definitely allow the IAO/CIA to deploy more militant
>Increasing funding for DHS, specially for boarder/immigration, Hunter hunted 2 made a point of DHS being used against the sabbat (though they made them EXTREMELY compromised)

I guess you could make an argument for being a cammie plant but I would think it would be now impossible to really effect the president given the nature of the SI

>>98133764
I'm not familiar with Lost. Where can I find the rules for that?

>>98133776
>Goblin Market in cofd
Is that in the Lost core?

>>98133799
Goblin Market books.
There's a merit to trade abstract concepts at the cost of not being able to get a court because of how the markets protect themselves from the true fae. You can walk into a retirement home and just sell pudding for the entirely of someone's life experience.

>>98133844
I see.
So I'd have to buy a "trait limit of 7" from a supernatural, is that how it would go?

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>>98133633
>-Gio had an affair with Toreador. Harbinger got jealous and left! The hecate are over!

"It is not me, babe, it was you. I might fuck corpses and be into incest but even I have standards! All the corpses and sisters I fuck are beautiful, unlike your sorry ass face. A sewer rat looks better than you!'"

>>98134001
How is this different from the Nosferatu curse?

>>98133047
Also it's important to see that Larian not only wanted BG3 they basically asked for it, and Wizards was about as hands off as they could have been. Paradox is too much of a control freak to clearly attract willing talent but I can't blame them after the disaster that was the first bloodlines 2

>>98134050
mechanically not at all beside that technically there is nothing saying they can't use Vicissitude to fix it

>>98133333
Nice quints, anyway I didn't make Bloodlines 2 because I did not have the Swedish tax fraud funds to buy an American IP and then run it to the ground (twice)

>>98133855
>Permanent chastity + womb tattoo + corruption + mind break
I'm not entirely sure any deal where you become superhuman will be fair for you

>>98134151
>womb tattoo
B-but I'm a guy.

>>98134186
Sorry, you had to sell your Y chromosome to the goblins.

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>reading vtm 5e sources for the first time before 6e announcement. To be clear, I have only ever ran v20.
What the fuck is this bullshit?

>>98134221
Sabbat bad.

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>>98134221
Just you wait until you get to Werewolf 5, in which there is a blurb detailing that actually, not ALL corporations are necessarily bad.