Magic the Gathering: No UBThe Only Thing My LGS Has in Stock is Aetherdrift EditionPreviously on...>>98062418This is a general for a version of Magic the Gathering that excludes 3rd party IPs, these cards are known as "Universes Beyond". This thread is not a duplicate of any other general, it is not a fork of any specific general. There is growing support for versions of Magic formats that exclude UB, for example Planar Standard. This general is the place for those discussionsThis general is as legitimate as D&D Old School Renaissance threads and it exists for similar reasons.Discussion of Magic the Gathering where no set or release that required 3rd party IP licensing can be mentioned. That includes Universes Beyond and Secret Lair.The ONLY Magic sets this year:>Lorwyn Eclipsed, January 23 2026>Secrets of Strixhaven, April 24 2026>Reality Fracture, October 2 2026Thread Question:What's the stock situation in your LGS? Lorwyn, Strixhaven, EoE, and Tarkir are all gone from my LGS. Only in-universe stock they have is Aetherdrift
>>98127132>TQthe same at mine. They still have MKM, though. And MH3, somehow. Supposedly they're getting a new supplier that they'll be able to keep things in stock more? We'll see.
>>98127132TQdidn't look at boxes that closely. just saw very little in universe boosters left. the store binder however, full of hat sets. everyone wants to keep SOS, lorwyn, EOE cards to themselves
>>98127230but SOS and EOE are also hat sets
>>98127149>And MH3Some good pulls in that at least.Only thing worth pulling in DFT is fucking verge lands>>98127234Incorrect sir
>>98127296>Harry Potter hat (to the point that the rest of the plane might as well not exist)>Star Trek hat
>>98127300hat set is hat set when they wear hatscapenna hats and suits on everyone for no reasonthunder junction cowboy hat on characters that don't normally wear that shitmurders of fedora manor againand that's it unless you count aetherdrift where the cars are the hats but at least they had a story reason thereeoe or sos had no single repeating object on a character for 0 reason. tezzeret looked normal in space and so did the walkers on strixhaven
>>98127361>SOSschool uniforms>EOEspace suitsalso, you know, Liliana
>>98127374tez had no spacesuitonly two had a "uniform" and lilianas disguise hardly looks like one. and the black ral also had a story reason so no, no hats on everyone for no reason
>>98127397Liliana is clearly dressed up to match the plane, Strixhaven is definitionally a hat set.
>>98127300>>Harry Potter hat (to the point that the rest of the plane might as well not exist)We've had this argument so many times. I'm tired boss.>>98127374>>SOS>posts STX
>>98127427it's not like SOS expanded beyond the hat set nature of STX
>>98127433>it's not like SOS expanded beyond the hat set nature of STXWell it didn't put any characters in a hat for a start.Honestly man I can't even be bothered with this argument, can you just kill yourself? I'd genuinely prefer this thread just 404 instead of suffering you shitposting for hours on end about what is or isn't a hat set
>>98127454I accept your concession.
>>98127401definitely for a reason. and she is the single characternot a hat set
>>98127472every walker in a hat set dresses up to match the plane for a REASON (usually just going undercover), but they're still playing dress up to match the plane.
>>98127361>capenna hats and suits on everyone for no reasonI don't remember any of the walkers wearing hats on capenna.
>>98127492Elspeth wears a little flapper crown thing
>>98127492
>>98127492>>98127497Vivien also has a little hat
Ixalan is also a hat set/block/plane but /tg/ isn't read to come to terms with that because it's a cool setting
>>98127468You really rekt xirs asshole their
>>98127517pre 1900 historical is fair game
>>98127597So OTJ is fine? The Wild West is pre-1900.
>>98127599No because that isn't basing itself on the historical wild west, it's basing itself on the movie genre of westerns
>find a common that might go in my deck>check prices online>oh it was printed in the Eldraine precon? I dismantled that and don't remember it>go to my Eldraine box>it's in thereIs there a better feeling? No postage, no waiting, just instant gratification like a dragon on a hoard
I thought this was a Magic thread why is everyone talking about their hats?
>>98128339Magic is hats and hats are Magic
Is there a version of this that doesn't dump to grave? I can't slot in any more recovery and I'd rather shit went to bottom than to grave
>>98127597The time/era is not the defining factors if you take that there has to be magic built into your setting; DSK is fine. Hat sets are narrow focused, or at least they overdo a thing (aesthetic, mechanic, tribe) that shouldn't be so prominent in a good setting. MKM and OTJ are the best examples, but DFT and STX can be considered hat sets too.
>>98128339hats beyond took over. might need a split at some point
>they think hat set means literal hatsAre you all retarded?
>>98128546Scryfall "this creature enters look top library land bottom"Yields this and a few three drop equivalentsAnd if you don't mind shuffling there's Gatecreeper Vine, Sylvan Ranger, Environmental ScientistMost people who play Satyr Wayfinder do so for the graveyard synergy, since you're seeing/gaining access to more cards when you put them into the graveyard.
>>98129484Thanks, didn't see that one when I was looking on Scryfall
>>98129464well we are still playing Magic The Gathering in 2026
>>98130246Not me, I'm playing Lorcana. Is this not the Lorcana thread?
>bounces your entire fucking existence in you're pathpsssht nothing personell kid
>building pic related>playtesting>sometimes it's good sometimes it's not>tweak the decklist>order some new cards>casually re-read Yannik>I've been misreading it this entire fucking timeHoly shit I feel like a total tard. I think maybe because I was previously running Quirion Beastcaller I thought Yannik worked the same way where it only redistributed the counters that were on the creature. Didn't realize it was its power regardless of counters. I have a fucking Kalakscion which is a 7/2 and I should absolutely be running it. I wasted so much fucking time trying to get creatures to enter with +1/+1s
>>98130309Why do you think this is a good card anon?
>>98130324did i say it was? i do think it's extremely fun though if it goes unchallenged
>>98130349There's a lot of cards that do similar things
>>98130324Not him but Venser is really good because he's both Remand and Man o war. He's highly flexible. If you get something like eldrazi displacer on the field it's over for the opponent
>>98130309Venser + Naban + Ephemerate was my shit back in the day. I tried again with Harmonic Prodigy when that was released and it was so funny bouncing three lands per turn.
>>98130377You'd shit bricks for blue's version of Bolt Bend
>>98127497And she looked very cute in it!
>>98127614As if pirates from Ixalan were close to historical ones, conquistadors were vampires and South American natives could commute with dinosaurs.Nigger your logic is senseless and you're either retarded or just shitposting in bad faith. Either way just fucking stop.
Thoughts on this art? I always thought it was hideous digital rubbish but over the years people have said it's good, or hot, or whatever. I get the card is powerful but I always found the art repulsive. Is it just me?
>>98131383titties
>>98130320It's always interesting what cards have an absurd power/CMC ratio but stupid drawbacks. I run Lupine Prototype in Gisa for similar reasons.
>>98131383Is it digital? I met Steve Argyle and he was based AF. He gave me that playmat too.
>>98131490The textures on the lace and belt vs the skin give me an inconsistent feeling. I remember Wizards sharing original sketches which looked 1000x better than the printed version. The belt and bracelet feel very digital tacked-on. By comparison the skin reminds me of early CG like Reboot or the Cover of Dance of Death, it's that type of tone imo. Something is wrong here.
>>98131241>conquistadors were vampires and South American natives could commute with dinosaurs.That's the fucking fantasy element you absolute shit-for-brains retard
>>98131383Garbage, but at least it isn't as blatantly traced from a photo like a lot of Magic art. Pic related among one of the absolute worst culpritsThings to look out for>highly detailed person with very realistic lighting>against a background they are not interacting with in any way at all>recognizable real world objects (here it's steampunk goggles)>aspects not in the original photo are noticeably drawn worse (here the hair looks very flat and unrealistic compared to the crazy realistic eyes and hands etc)Pisses me off every time I see it
>>98131571Spot on analysis, anon. I can't unsee it. Who is your favorite artist that you would say consistently puts out good art?
>>98130361what ETB land bounce cards are there
>>98131571>>recognizable real world objects (here it's steampunk goggles)It's funny, now that you say that I can see that his model likely had a head band of some kind to compress the hair/head, but the goggle part in the front was added on top. Steampunk goggles weren't exactly commonplace when the art was commissioned in like 2000, so I find it unlikely that they were drawn from life. (also they feel tacked on when looking closely)I almost think it works for Braids, in part due to nostalgia and in part because she's meant to be an uncanny and disturbing character.
>>98130324>Mtg babbies exist who don't even know the power of VenserBack to commander with you
>>98131571>using references or live models is bad nowShit, I'll inform the classical masters.
>>98127497>>98127504>>98127510These are all very different styles of headwear and not particularly associated with a specific themepark theme, but I must concede there are indeed hats that are not part of the walker's typical wear.
>>98131585>Who is your favorite artist that you would say consistently puts out good art?There's a lot that catch my eye every now and then.As much as people crow about Rebecca Guay I think her best work was in the late 00s.Sam Guay has done some good work on Deadly Cover Up and Change of FortuneIain McCaig's All That Glitters and Claim the Firstborn are goodOlena Richards did the Bitterblossom Secret Lair which is beautiful, as well as the framebreak Pearl Medallion which is also exceptional.Probably my favorite piece at the minute is still Demonic Counsel by Babs Webb but to date she's hardly done any MtG art at all>>98131639It's the difference between using a reference and blatantly tracing
This is not a hat.
>>98132359correct, since it's not even the real ral which is an actual reason
>>98133403>the real ralNo such thing
>>98131585Kev Walker is the only correct answer
>>98135242Most of his art is shit.
>>98131571I agree with the background looking jarring, but the rest you said it just bs lol.>hair looks bad No?>real world objetcs, like steam punk googlesWhats the problem with this? Also, since when “steampunk googles” are something common in the “real world”?Such an iconic and powerful face expression on her, wouldnt have the same impact if not on a very close shot of her face. I think your critique sucks.
>>98135282Show me your favorite artist
>>98135426nta but Randy Vargas has my favorite art on a card, and a bunch of others I like, so probably him.
>>98135554I miss when black had sick edgy art. Phyrexian cards have the best black art imo
>>98135617This goes so hard.
>>98135426I don't take orders from newfags that can't format a post properly.
>>98135298>but the rest you said it just bs lol.>>hair looks bad>No?God I fucking hate talking to artlets about art. You don't even know what the fuck you're looking at>>real world objetcs, like steam punk googles>Whats the problem with this? Also, since when “steampunk googles” are something common in the “real world”?See you don't even get what the fucking point of the post was.The point was that the art is traced from the photo. One of the things that hints at it being traced is that the googles in the image are recognizably what would now be called steampunk cosplay goggles. They don't have to be "common in the 'real world' " for that to be what they fucking areYou can google "fantasy art photo reference" and find entire sites dedicated to nothing but a database of photos taken in studios with fantasy props. >Such an iconic and powerful face expression on herI don't care if you like it anon, it is traced.Tracing from a photo instead of using photos for reference is the difference between copying someone else's essay and changing the name or writing your own essay referencing other works on the subject. I really don't care if you liked the plagiarised essay.
>>98135713Are you that same guy I once asked to evaluate Platinum Angel's artwork?
>>98136139No but I did evaluate that AI Arcane Signet and have the explanation saved because I was so tired of people denying it was AI when it obviously was
>>98136165I wouldn't know, I don't really have an eye for art. It does look like a confused ai mixing up adjacents objects to me on accounts of the rocks also kind of resembling fingers. Do you have any thoughts on Platinum Angel though?
>>98135617Ironically the era where demons were banned produced the best and most iconic Black creatures in the game. Bring back the Demon ban, make Horrors the big boy Black tribe again.
>>98135646Newfag? lol lmao
>>98136220>SignetThere's tons wrong with it, some I didn't even notice last time I explained it. For instance I've just now noticed that the AI inexplicably put a plate of bone connected to the sternum and collar bones which doesn't exist on a humanoid skeleton, and on the finger the ring is on, the hand apparently has an unfortunate bone tumor jutting out just before the knuckle>Do you have any thoughts on Platinum Angel though?The original I presume? It's fine. Might have been using a figurine or a miniature as a reference with a desklamp above it, but the textural complexity doesn't look like any sort of character or model I can think of so they would have changed a lot about their reference if they used one.I guess it looks like it's made of stone more than platinum, but as an art piece it's fine.
>>98131651That's your own problem, ESL. Not ours.
>>98127597It is not fair game, it's literally when we first started complaining about hats. It is the reason this argument exists, it all ultimately started in Theros.
>>98129464I blame the plethora of zoomers. They retard all modern conversations that they touch. I recently found out they unironically think Holocaust denial and Alpha/Beta shit started on TikTok, it's rather disgusting.
>>98136220That's literally not a human skeleton you retard.
>>98136625Is that why the “artist” changed their mind about how the finger bones connect to the bones of the palm literally one after another?>middle finger inexplicably has one fused lump and no divide between the bones while the other 3 fingers of the hand have lumps at the end of each bone and obvious divides separating them
>>98136601>it all ultimately started in Theros.It didn’t. Historical mythology is fine. Encouraged in fact.Old Magic was just ripping of Lord of the Rings like ever other fantasy game, and JRRT was ripping off North Western European myth and folklore.You don’t shit your pants when you see winged angels even though that’s just Christian mythology.You’re shitposting, you’re this close to saying “Arabian Nights was the first UB”
Are any of you cocksuckers going to command fest in Tacoma next month?
>>98137903Why did they make him black? I’ve seen less than 5 black people play mtg. Been playing and going to tournaments since the 90’s.Go woke go broke as they say
>>98138015>Why did they make him black?
>>98137861I have never had a fun game of Commander, and cards printed for Commander ruined my favorite formats and ultimately the game.
>>98138489Trvkie Nvkie - Status: Deployed.
>>98131614there aren't many and he just misread the card and doesn't understand that the value comes from bouncing lands
>two months of UB slop before multicolor eldrazi and blue lightning strike>it's probably just for one set
>>98138015If you spent 1/10th the effort you exhaust on endless black aragorn discourse on making a concerted effort to redeem Nielsen's falsely besmirched name this game could be saved
>>98137861I read this as>I am going to suck cock at commandfestHappy for you bestie
>>98140930there's fuckall else to do in Tacoma so I wouldn't blame him
>>98138938Just view this as a nice summer break. The heat is not kind to the air quality of the average LGS anyway. Personally, I'm keeping busy trying to build him as a "b2" silver bullet to play exclusively against cringe commanders. I think defence grid is a good fit for it as it cancels the tax with just one more creature in play
>>98141545I’ve seen like 2 previews from fake-Magic and I honestly feel pretty great that they’re passing me by. I’m genuinely hyped for Reality Fracture
>>98142092Yeah reality fracture looks great. I'm hoping to see some some strategies in gruul colours that aren't just "ramp ramp ramp cast big creature repeat". Maybe some pathway lands reprints as they'd fit pretty well thematically
>>98142181A while ago anon was speculating if they’d bring back mechanics like Fortify
>it's another episode of dumping $50 into sideboard cards I will never draw
>>98142656Are they fun cards at least? :)
>>98142656how different are your sideboards? I just bring one partly over from an older deck so I don't have to buy duplicates
>>98144195Sideboards in Commander when?
>>98145690Sideboards are only relevant in BO3 matches
>>98144195I don't even have one. Whether I win or I lose I'll just swap decks. As for events, my LGS does not even allow them
>>98145852>he doesn’t play BO3 commander
>>98145957That sounds like hell
>>98137903still looks like a couple of cringe zoomers and not fantasy art
>>98146011We go until someone wins 3 games, as Richard Garfield intended. If you don’t like raw aggression don’t work at Build A Bear
>>98145901that's not how sideboards work
>>98138015It's not for black people, it's for leftist wokists, who are overwelmingly white women/"women", and infest WotC.
>>98138938I just view it as them going back to 3-4 sets a year, big breaks between. Of course, the sets aren't the same quality since they aren't the only sets, but what can you do.
>>98127361Aetherdrift hat is a racing helmet
>>98127497Niggas can't make me hate this set, it was fun. This little cycle was one of the best common land cycles of all time too.
>>98148090I wish to reply but /tv/ jannies are impeding me
>>98137903Except this was one of the best selling sets of all time
>>98142656why so expensive?
>>98150834Artificial scarcity
>>98127361So is Bloomburrow a fursuit hat?>>98148090>maaaaaaaagic cars and maaaaaaaaaaagic skyscrapersFuck off.The thing is I actually like a lot of the card design in the set and there are some sleeper hits in the Commander product, but in terms of theme it's almost as bad as all the 80s shit in Duskmourn. I hope to god we're almost out of WotC's film era.>noir!>cowboys!>80s horror!>sci-fi!It's not like the sets are even bad, it's just so creatively bankrupt and inappropriate for Magic.
>>98154968I feel marketability is going to drive the real magic sets to ape more and more popular culture. there might be some non-hat sets tho
>>98155069I saw someone make the point that Magic has become fast food, and while I think that comparison is a bit tired its not wrong. Just all about firing neurons, making as much money as possible, then moving to the next thing. There is no thought given to something that will last or be enjoyed. The health and quality the game is far down on their list of concerns, line must go up because Magic is pretty much the only thing keeping Hasbro afloat.And it's proven when they claim a fake-Magic set is top 10 selling of all time while it rots on shelves to this day. They have the data on how things sell at retail, they know it's not getting to players, but they're still going to quote sales from distributors to shareholders to deceive them into thinking it was successful
>>98148090Preach. Objectively better than what came after.>>98154968But let me guess, >maaaaaaaaaaagic gundams and maaaaaaaagic cyberpunkAre based and non-hat pilled.
>>98155111yeah, manipulating the data to look good is one of their jobs
>>98155116> But let me guess,>maaaaaaaaaaagic gundams and maaaaaaaagic cyberpunkAre based and non-hat pilled.Nope.Deal with the criticism you got rather than trying to delegitimize the person who criticized you by the way
>>98155153Why should they have to? Someone at Hasbro wants fake-Magic to succeed even if some fake-Magic sets flop
May WotC make a proper swords&sorcery fantasy set again?https://youtube.com/watch?v=huooYWD61x8
>>98155400When you stop posting tranime on 4channel
Ethnically ambiguous man coming through.
>>98155639This a no UB thread and your post is therefore off topic.
>>98155669You sound like your favourite card is Myrel, Shield of Argive.
>>98155116The problem is that Capenna didn’t feel like they were following the throughline of the presence of magic into how that would develop car-like vehicles and skyscrapers, they just took Roaring 20s designs and added glowing bits.
>>98155734That's a necessary feature of designing based on movies. The Great Gatsby movie was almost exactly 9 years before the set by the way
Needs a reprint
and this is why i refuse to play this fucking game any longeri'll stick to premodern
>>98155931Can you stop being a faggot and posting UB in a thread where UB is explicitly not allowed? It isn't even half as funny as you think it is
>>98155975To be honest the UB hate is so forced, I bet you were okay with the Warhammer and Fallout precons you performative freak.
>>98156060Nta but I wasn't ever okay with any of it. Right from the start woth the Walking Dead secret lairs when they promised UB would never be legal. Even the alt art ikoria ones were upsetting, though alt arts are the best of them since they are really just proxies.
>>98156060I got into Magic for Magic, not for other IPs. If that makes you seethe so much you literally can't believe it, you should probably fuck off back to your hugbox >>98148346
>>98156060Final Fantasy is approved UB. Marvel is not.
>>98155858holy crap how did I not know about this. that would've been so good 10 years ago
>>98157129There is no approved UB
Stop replying to the troll
>>98157196It'd be pretty good even now
>>98155858Why? It's like 60 cents and the ROE printing has GOATed art and flavor while the Masques printing has old Magic vibes. Be cool in standard I guess
>>98158963You tell em king
Mail day!
>>98159479>blocked out the UB cardblessed anon
>we will never get an in-universe superhero themed hat set with a similar tone to aetherdrift
>>98158963That's a photo of me
>>98159482thank god
>>98159482What is Ravnica and the Jacestice league
>>98159469>reddit screenshot in the year of our lord 2026Too many words, TLDR.
Dude why does Rhystic Study cost so much, I thought it would’ve gone down by now.
>>98159955Becauze 8t goes in eveey blue deck. That aside, that'a not the cheapest print. Oddly enough the cheapest print is its original print in Prophecy.
>>98158963>come to thread>post off topic>told to fuck off>think anyone but you is the soijakel oh el
>>98159955Because it will literally always be good? Consider yourself lucky anon, as more and more scalpers get drawn to the game and inflation raises globally, the price of a Magic staple will go well beyond approx $40
>>98160000Sounds like I’ll see you at the Marvel, Hobbit and Star Trek prereleases.
>>98159968becus is le terf art!
>>98160515You have brain worms
>>98160515I have no idea what you mean by this.
>>98161237Allow me to translate:>I am a diagnosed schizophrenic and I'm off my meds
>>98155705mine is
>>98156060nah commander is gay too
>>98163649Best spread those legs then, boy
>they still haven't realized that this is a commander staple
>>98164944book is an artifact subtype now? for what purpose
>>98161215>>98163287tell that to the ones who keep defacing her cards
>>98165285Currently unknown. There's 0 cards that care about it right now (even in fake formats like Alchemy) but they did comprehensive errata for it.
My Hot Take: Everything released after 2012 was shit. RTR was the last good mtg block. Now it's all slop. I would love to go back to the Innistrad/Scars blocks. I'd even tolerate the Cawblade bullshit. Everything after RTR seems like it was printed with commander in mind especially after the commander decks they printed. Theros and so on really went downhill hard.
>>98168255A nice definitive cut off you point to is when they switched to the new (shit) frame.
>>98155858One black mana to kill a nonblack creature? Way too strong! A drawback? Hell no! Not in post-FIRE!
>>98165285>>98167733Bizarre that they didn't print a librarian in SOS. They printed a fucking library.But Books have basically nothing in common with each other whatsoever so the only way I can see them doing anything with it would be a commander
>>98168322The new frame is way better. Only nostalgia boomers like ugly old Magic cards I swear to god>nooooooooo it had so much more sovl when there was all this ugly negative space and bulky frames designed on a 90s computeeeeeer!!!!!!
>>98168969New cards look like slop. Slop that you can’t even see what the fuck is even going on in the art. Old magic foils are GOAT.
>>98169242N O S T A L G I A B O O M E R
>>98168969I think you're thinking about the original frames, the one where artifacts were brown an multicolors looked like diarhea. Those were murky and pretty awful, yeah. I'm talking about the Modern frames vs the new frames.
As a full comparison
>>98169865The current frames are the best frames. Look at all that ugly unused space at the bottom. Grabage fucking background texture really giving you a good look at how bad it is. Same for all the colors by the wayAnd I'm not just shitting on old frames either, fake-Magic frames are fucking garbage too. All smooth and weird, it's no wonder they changed them to the default frames
for me, it's the planar chaos frames
>>98169882>look at that ugly unused space at the bottomAs opposed to the current border with has a bunch of "unused" space at the bottom (actually is used in both instances for the same things).But what do I know, I just study are and games. To each their own.
>>98169984Fair.
>>98169998>As opposed to the current border with has a bunch of "unused" space at the bottomIt's black, an extension of the border.It doesn't catch the eye as much, the very fucking reason they changed it.Look man, I'm not about to argue art and design against someone who prefers old-thing purely because he got used to it.I have another revelation for you: all those shows you used to love when you were a kid? Saturday morning cartoons? Old episodic anime? They're all unwatchably bad
>>98170030>against someone who prefers old-thing purely because he got used to itCorrect, you aren't. I started playing magic in 2019.And no, the shows I watched as a kid aren't unwatchably bad, some are, but most are great, the peak of 2d show animation in the west. Storylines aren't always great, but they're kids shows, that's to be expected.
>>98170065>And no, the shows I watched as a kid aren't unwatchably bad, some are, but most are greatEl emming my ay ohs at this one
>>98170012We can do better
>>98127132Anyone else excited for that new Marvel Rivals set that's coming out?
>>98170447Wrong thread faglord.
Fuck capeshitFuck gnomesI'm ready for the return of the green king.
>>98170478Jace made him black
>>98170486its the price he had to pay to rightfully beat the shit out of liliana.
>>98170500Kek imagine they reprint that card with alt universe Garruk on the art and say it's fine now because his color changed
Is there any way to make a good polymorph deck in Commander? I just think it's a funny concept but I don't want it to be chaos or bracket 0. Are there any commanders out there that care about opponents creatures having no abilities or anything?
>>98127132>What's the stock situation in your LGS? Lorwyn, Strixhaven, EoE, and Tarkir are all gone from my LGS. Only in-universe stock they have is AetherdriftI haven't actually gone inside but they seem to diversify the product line or it might just be the current situation with TCGs. I went to Japan earlier in the year and I couldn't find MTG and Yugioh was basically a distant 5th or 6th place of people giving a shit about it.This is my uninformed opinion of the MTG colors:>BlueScrubs hate it despite there being plenty of cheaper alternatives to counter & counters to counter. Still have as perception of being WotC favorite color because it is what they think most people identify as.>GreenModern WotC actual favorite color because of the greater focus on creatures.>RedIt is play style that WotC wants to push.>WhiteThe worst color. Full of mechanics that Wotc doesn't want to push and has the weakest mechanical identity (no fun allowed). It is the lowest priority for mechanical flavor.>BlackHas the strongest mechanical and flavor identity.
>>98170176They are still visually stunning. Go watch TMNT, Sonic X, Kirby Right Back At Ya, 2nd and 3rd season of Chaoticetc from that time period of early 2000s really good 2d animation. Still look great, the plots just aren't always the most compelling.
>>98170260>gross-ass curent borderNo thanks.
>>98170656Polymorph as a type refers to exiling a creature and revealing from the top til you hit another creature, which there are lots of good decks for.What you're talking about doesn't reappy have a name. The best you'll be able to do is an enchantress deck with a bunch of frogify like auras, maybe an ixidor/illithid harvester/those kind of effects.I have a bunch of frogify auras in my Zur the Enchanter deck, but the deck relies on Zur as a value engine and he's so slow to get out and going that unless there's a game-ending threat on-board there's no way I'm tutoring auras like that from him.
>>98170656You can make a control deck that blanks your opponents' creatures and/or tap them. Blue has a lot of spells that remove abilities and change stat lines for a turn, or enchantments that do so forever.Zur the Enchanter is a great tutor in the command zone.Estrid, the Masked; Hanna, Ship's Navigator; Tameshi, Reality Architect; and The Master of Keys let you recur the enchantments from the grave.
>>98170260maybe if they had unique textures in the text boxes
maaan, I'm REALLY feeling the weight of "do thing draw card" commanders steamrolling my decks
>>98171944Tameshi is really good here cause the recurrsion can be used multiple times in the same turn if necessary, and it's a draw engine. Combine him with effects that bounce permanents as well and you're drawing a ton.
>>98171464Gonna stop you right there, Sonic X is and has always been dogshit
>>98172559Again, story-wise yeah, super bleh. Same with kirby. Visually they were both incredible, though.I'll point to Avatar the Last Airbender and Teen Titans if you want examples of ones with solid stories too. Chaotic season 2 and 3 as well, but was very sadly cancelled due to ip disputes.
>>98172454Play more card draw and more removal. More likely than not their commander is one of the onpy ways their deck draws cards, so take it out asap.
>>98127132Have you ever held a Boros signet?
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>>98172594yea I feel I need to mull til I have at least 2 pieces of removal to slow them down enough to have a chance. if I don't have it, it's pretty much an auto-lose
>>98172624I don't think that's necessary. There are lots of positive draw effects.
>>98172615There’s a weight to it that belies its size—a weight of strength and of pride.
Regretting that I wasnt really looking to buy a bunch of cards when I was in Japan and didnt have a list of what I needed and wanted. Everything was like 15% below market value. The cabinets were loaded with premodern staples and the only sealed was UB overstock (v)indicating my thoughts that nobody who enjoys the game actually wa ts UB.
>>98171498>>98171944Ah I already have shit loads of enchantress decks though. Like, uhhhh...at least 8 I can think of right now.I was hoping for more of an instant speed type thing
>>98172454>>98172594Consistency is king. 9 times out of 10 when anyone comes to these threads asking for help it's because they don't have enough draw or ramp.Sad truth is, more mana and more cards means you see more of your deck and are more likely to find answers to what your opponents are doing. It means cutting a lot of thematic parts of your deck and playing the same cards all the fucking time, but it works.Mana in particular there are options for about every color other than white>RedDesperate RitualPyretic RitualSeething SongMana GeyserSoulbright FlamekinJeska's Will>BlueVolshe Tide TurnerHydro-ChannelerOmen HawkerHigh TideDramatic Reversal (for your artifacts)>BlackDark RitualCulling the WeakSong of the DamnedPhyrexian AltarAltar of DementiaWarren Soultrader>GreenSelf explanatory>White (the "go fuck yourself" color)Some garbage catch-up ETBs or busted bullshit like Smothering Tithe. Get it? because white is meant to be "fair" unless it includes taxes. ISN'T THAT JUST FUCKING GREAT DESIGN? THAT WE ATTACH A BASIC FUCKING MECHANIC OF THE GAME -THAT EVERYONE ELSE GETS ACCESS TO FOR FREE- TO RELYING ON YOUR OPPONENT'S ACTIONS INSTEAD??? Excuse me.Monologue Tax is about the only reasonably priced ramp piece in white, afaik
>>98169882>Look at all that ugly unused space at the bottom.>I'd much rather prefer they literally replace it with nothing but black unused space insteadOk retard
>>98136653They didn't change anything, it's literally a triclops skeleton they can draw it however they want
>>98174435I'll sign you up to Design 101 at your local community college anon
>>98174443>It's IMAGINAAAAARY therefore nothing has to make sense!!!!Total retard take. Even when drawing something fictional, people don't throw out basic artistic rules. Living things tend to be symmetrical. Humanoid things in particular. That skeleton IS symmetrical in concept, 2 arms, 2 eyes etc, all split straight down the middle. And yet the shoulder sockets are completely different. You can see the shoulder on the upper right has a ball for the ball-and-socket joint, and the one on the left doesn't, it looks like a cartoon turkey bone.The bones of the hand make no anatomical sense. Again, 3 out of 4 of them each end in a knuckle and have a clear divide between the bone of the palm and the first finger bone. The finger that the ring is on inexplicably has no divide and the bones of the palm and finger are fused into one singular lump.These aren't artistic choices, they're not mistakes by an artist who struggles with anatomy, they're things only an AI would do because the AI has no fucking concept of what it is creating an image of.I have no fucking idea why every time this image is brought up some absolute artlet will defend it to the death. You have never drawn anything in your life, you have no more understanding of the thought process that goes into art than a dog understands how to work a computer.
>>98171449>BlueThe problem is it's highly interactive and people don't want to be interacted with. It's not just a low skill level thing, it's quite unusual in gaming as a whole to not know if the thing you're about to do is even going to go through, and that design space creates an arms-race where now we have to have a whole bunch of cards that say "can't be countered" and "damage can't be prevented" etcYugioh is a victim of this, since you mention it.>GreenThe problem with green is that they already has the best access to mana, which I contend was poor design from the start, but for whatever fucking reason WotC then also gave really good card draw to green. Landfall was a total mistake, and landfall-draw is a fucking atrocity. It gives green a huge advantage on 2 fundamental game actions, and is only "balanced" by relatively low interactivity.>Red>WotC wants to pushMaybe in Standard. In other formats red is a splash color.>WhiteAgree. WotC hates white, plain and simple. Catch-up mechanics, taxes, hardly ever allowed shit for free, always the worst and overcosted entry in any cycle of cards like Overlords, Virtues etc. It's biggest themes are small creatures and shutting opponents down instead of advantaging yourself. It needs help desperately. >BlackIt's in a good place and always has been. I dislike that people complain black is getting access to enchantment removal lately. It should always have had it. Black is the "power at a price" color and so nothing should really be off limits to it as long as creatures or life are sacrificed
>>98169873SOVL - Soulless - Anti-soul
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>>98174679Too much text
>>98174679>STILL conveniently leaving out white tex on white background
>>98174779It's remarkable how someone could write so much wanking off old card frames to basically just say they subjectively prefer them. All that meaningless flowery language.I'd almost believe it was a joke inspired by that America Psycho business card scene but nostalgia boomers genuinely believe this shit and pretentious redditors think using big words makes something inherently persuasive
>>98174779if you can't read this i don't know what to tell you retardbrothe guy who made that image does write an excessive amount but really the frames speak for themselves. i dont hate the modern frame but anyone with two eyes can tell the m15 frame is abhorrent and imbalancedthere was no reason to redesign the frame, it was a kneejerk reaction to fake cards starting to make waves circa 2013 and fake holostamps were solved fairly quickly, but now we're stuck with the hideous frame for anything new
>>98174819>anyone with two eyes can tell the m15 frame is abhorrent and imbalanced>there was no reason to redesign the frameYou made that garbage image and you have potato IQ, end of story
>>98174819Retards really out here defending the 50 Shades of Grey of card frames just because they associate it with a time the game was somehow designed more competently (it wasn't in any way).
>>98174834Nostalgia is a hell of a drug
I curse you with a vision you can't unsee
>>98175404White girl hands made this
>>98174221Curie cares about base p/t but needs the text.You can use them as combat tricks to make your opponents' creatures unable to block yours.is:commander format:edh o:"be blocked by" (o:"with power" OR o:"with toughness")
>>98175548What thread are you in, anon?
>>98174574>BlueCounterspells (not the Counterspell) are universal solutions but they are expensive & reactive. Blue hate seems to be under the premise that counterspells are like Ash Blossom. Take Black's Murder which basically does what a counterspell would do to a creature except prevent ETB effects which isn't good but it can be used any point in the game to remove a creature and not just when your opponent cast a spell & you have 3 mana. If we can take it further, Red's Shock basically does the same thing early in the game with one mana. Yes, ETB effects aren't exactly rare and there are still spells (which can be "countered" in other ways) but leaving 3 mana on the table instead of advancing the board state sucks. It is a different matter with Treasure tokens but that has created its own problems.>GreenGreen not only get resources faster & at better quality but it also gets creatures for better value.>RedRed has the aggressive play that WotC wants to push. WotC hates something like First strike but loves Double strike because it used offensively.>WhiteI get that Black is "Everything for a price" but technically so is White. The problem is the price fucking sucks.On what I said about Yugioh, I do think its popularity is waning in Japan (because of Digimon and One Piece) but it is mostly paper Yugioh since there is very little reason to play the physical game or collect the physical cards since there is Master Duel and the cards don't hold much value.
>>98175646>take Black's Murder which basically does what a counterspell would do to a creature except prevent ETB effects which isn't good but it can be used any point in the game to remove a creature and not just when your opponent cast a spellThe difference here is that hitting the board matters. Yes there are ETBs, but there's also LTBs, abilities that can be activated in response, sacking in response, abilities that trigger when something dies, hexproof or shroud or indestructible on the creature, the option to give the creature any of those, or blink it so the target of the removal whiffs... I mean I could probably go on, I'm sure there's shit I'm not thinking about. Whereas the only response to a counterspell is to counter it and you won't get anything other than a cast trigger if it resolves.Then there's the fact that creatures don't tend to do what a big 7+ mana sorcery would doAnd on some level just the difference in psychology of having something go through but get removed vs it never going through to begin with. Like can you imagine if instead of losing a piece in chess, you go to make a move and your opponent says "erm actually, I swap my bishop and my rook around and now you don't get to move that piece this turn"? Having your turn effectively skipped is infinitely more irritating to the psyche than taking your turn and it not mattering
>>98175552sorry, theres 3 different threads and I got my tabs mixed up[User has been banned for this post]
>>98175716I didn't say Couterspells aren't good but it isn't so good that it trivializes Blue's flaw of dealing with stuff already in the field. White is genuinely dogshit.
>>98175863Blue has 0 problem dealing with stuff on the field, it just tends to bounce it instead of destroying it. But even then, Pongify, Rapid Hybridization, Reality Shift, Resculpt. It has more than enough options in non-rotating formats. And in Standard pic related is legal
>>98175953Bouncing is more useful for retriggering ETB effects than removal. It is great for creatures that slowly grows stronger and tokens but it generally worse than standard removal. "Put on top of owner's library" does fuck with your opponent though.
>>98176113>is more useful for retriggering ETB effects Note how Flood Maw says "opponent controls"?Also it's really not good for ETBs because bounce returns to hand, so it needs to be recast. You're thinking of blink.>generally worse than standard removal.No shit, which is why I listed 4 blue spells that are just straight up removal.The entire point of the post was to refute the idea that blue struggles with removal. It doesn't at all. If you want creatures gone, they're gone in exchange for replacing them with a do-nothing token. If you want any permanent gone it can be bounced. Sure they can recast it, but blue still has a versatility other colors don't have. If an enchantment or planeswalker is a problem, boom it's gone for at least this turn for 1 blue mana. Red would fucking kill for that.Into the Flood Maw is a $2 uncommon btw. Almost as if it's good or something...
>>98176672>Also it's really not good for ETBs because bounce returns to hand, so it needs to be recast. You're thinking of blink.I'm pretty sure phasing out cards doesn't retrigger ETB effects unless you mean blink as in flicker.
>>98175953Bouncing the card means you'll need to counterspell it and at that point you're 2-for-1ing yourself for 1 card. Terrible value proposition.
>>98176951blink has always meant flicker wtf
>>98177277Not even good bait
>>98176951https://scryfall.com/search?q=function%3Ablink&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
>>98178050Says the person that thinks blue is good at removing permanents.
>>98178055It's great at removing permanents. Them being recast has nothing to do with it. By that logic all non-exiling removal is garbage because it can just be retrieved from grave.
>>98178064>There is no difference between bounce and destroyDon't talk to me or my son ever again.
>>98174221There really aren't enough turn to frog effects to facilitate that. Best I could realpy give you ia this dude, but you're just stopping them from attacking and defending, and only while he's out.
>>98174221If you find a way to get this guy out and ult him, giving your instants and sorceries retrace would be really great.
>>98178297This guy
>>98178064>can be cast from the grave (if they happen to have a board state/deck that at all supports doing that, which they very likely don't and even if they do they would have to waste resources of doing it)vs>it's in your hand, so you cast it>inb4 "I counterspell"That's fair enough, that is how the loop is meant to work.
>>98176951Blick and fpicker are two separate this but the difference is superfuous-- one exiles until end of turn the returns, to other exiles the immediately returns. Regarsless, neither of them are phasing.
>>98178359Fucking hell. I swear I'm not retarded, guys, my fingers just don't move where my brain tells the to, and I don't think to check. I'll go slow this time.Blink exiles then immediatly returns. This triggers etbs because it's reentering from a different zone.Flicker exiles then returns at end of turn. This triggers etbs because it's reentering from a different zone.Phase treats the permanent like it doesn't exist, but it never doesn't exist and never changes zones. Etb effects do not trigger because it never leaves or reenters from a different zone.
>>98178285This guy is such fucking bullshit to play against
>>98178285But I like them losing their abilities :(
>>98179296I've never seen him. Looks too slow. 2 colored mana on an activated ability is rough
Blue-mana CHANDRA looks like trash.
>>98180749This is evidence that a redhead in a mainly blue outfit can work aesthetically.
>>98180753Kasmina pulled it off.
>>98180749It's a neat translation of the original card which is now quite underpowered. I'm glad they didn't print some busted bullshit. Current fake-Magic set looks totally busted in an attempt to make up for the last fake-Magic set on the plane of New York
>>98180559Some guy played it with consecrated sphinx your entire board gets locked down and he draws more cars than you still. Was impossible to make a come back no matter what I did
>>98180937>your entire board gets locked downOkay but literally how? WU and tap, even untapping it they'd have to put so much mana into hitting multiple creatures. In azorius? And if it's ever removed the effect ends
>>98178073Didn't say there was no difference, I said blue has great removal which it does. It can destroy and exile creatures and artifacts, and it can bounce anything but lands. That's really really fucking good>abloo bloo they can recast bounced things though!!!! Sounds good to me. Waste your turn recasting the thing you cast last turn instead of advancing your board state.
>>98180967Yeah, I built him and this was my issue. Also that if he ever dies, the creatures can attack and block again until he's back out. Really it was a slightly annoying group hug deck cause the card draw for opponents was odten worth more than stunning their creature.>>98174221Again, not quite what you're talking about, but you could secret commander out this dude.
>>98180753Makes all the sense since orange can be used as a complementary color in a mostly blue pallete. It just pops, specially if the orage is near a focal point like the face.
>>98181529nta but so many things these days have huge instant value in etbs (or even "leaves the battlefield") that it really doesn't seem like a good idea to bounce unless you are winning that turn like cyc rift
>>98185811Yeah you don't bounce the fucking ETB obviously, but I'll let you in on a little secret anon: cards that have good ETBs don't tend to also have good static effects. So you bounce the thing that is a problem on board because it doesn't have a good ETB.I cannot believe the level of stupidity in this conversation, genuinely.
>>98185898anon wake the fuck up it's 2026. they do have all that and more. also, everything recurs itself and all wipes are one sided. there is no room for fucking around. you either counter the spell or exile the permanent before the next phase hits or it's too late
>>98186276Name 10 cards with good ETBs AND good static abilities
>>98186289hydroid krasiscraterhoof behemothmoonshaker cavalryplumecreed escortquantum riddlerterror of mount veluswhiteplume adventureravenger of zendikarmassacre wurmaven interrupterroaming throne
>>98186289badgermolebe'lakorbowmastersfirst sliver, anything with cascade + any text on it reallypantlaza, same for discovereven some adventure spells like the newer enchantments. no etb but you are 110% not bouncing the 2 for 1 unless you win right afterquantum riddleremrylord high artificersagas (urzas comes to mind)eldrazi (titans especially)also as a bonus any of the titans like uro that have etb and attack + duskmourn overlordsjust off the top of my head so there might be even better ones in the new UBslop sets. I even left out expensive to cast ones like mdfc etali so the tempo swing is near 0. like how is this even a question? hell, one of them is even on the game changers list. used to be 2 and you act like you don't know
>>98186485>named a bunch of cards that actually only have an ETB and hoped no one would noticeAre you retarded?
>>98187217trample is a static ability, retard
>>98188370I think his point was that it being there doesn't continuously advance a board state because it doesn't have abilities that trigger on different actions, or abilities great enough to provide escalaing value, like buffing all your permanents in some way.
>>98188400so, good etb and triggered/static snthem/stax effects?of which there are a lot of?
>>98188370Kek at the cope holy fucking shit.>HOLD UP GUYS THIS TRAMPLE IS A REAL PROBLEM, I'D BETTER USE REMOVAL ON ITSaid literally no one ever fucking lmao. >>98188499So name 10, like you were asked to
>>98188512so do you mean actual static abilities, are are you considering activated and triggered abilities to be "static" abilities
>>98163649So what format do you play that isnt commander and doesnt have ub?
>>98188729>already scrabbling for a way out by nitpicking terminology.Look man, I mean whatever the fuck you want to call a good effect on the board. That should be fucking obvious considering the context of the conversation here, but you want to play retard games so when you lose you can claim a technical victory on something else.The whole point of this conversation is that bounce is absolutely fine as removal. For some unknown reason you chose to bring up ETBs. The response to that was that if something is a problem on board it is unlikely to also have a good ETB, so you don't care that it can be recast.You then made the claim that it is untrue that good ETBs and good abilities on board tend to be mutually exclusive, now fucking prove it.And as a heads up, while you're scraping the bottom of the barrel for your examples, I'm going to point out that any activated abilities you want to argue will usually be tap abilities and have to sit a whole turn on the board once bounced unless they have haste. Just putting it out there so I don't have to do it later.
>>98188793Premodern and planar standard would be two possible answers to your quesiton.
>>98188793Invasion Block Constructed
>>98189621For me it’s alpha limited or nothing
>>98180796I meant Chandra in blue looks terrible aesthetically and visually compared to >>98180759 Kasmina.... Viva la difference.
>>98190864Oh yeah I don't like that she's still ginger
>>98191607we can't call them that any more
>>98193630ginga
What are you playing tomorrow night anons?
>>98195612normal deck but I threw in The Last Ride as a partner
>>98195891How?
>>98195612Cube
>commander>2 players at the board are obvious threats>clear to both of them and me that one of them is going to win eventually unless something big changes >I've only just gotten my pretty durdle-y engine online>4th guy swings huge commander at me>ask him why he would do that when other 2 players are clearly the problem>"I don't know what your deck does"I hate this shit so fucking much. If you can't assess threats don't play.
>>98198044>>>>duelcommander dot org
>>98196505How did your cube go, anon?
>>98198044I have accepted it. happens to me all the time and I play with my friends onlynot only do my plays against the clear archenemy get stopped often by the other players who are also behind but I see so many times that players unintentionally help other players to winfor example someone could slam in a rest in peace, effectively taking out the scary graveyard player but at the same time letting the other 2 run away with the game now that one of their opponents that could have stopped them was shot in the balls for them.I could green text stories but you know. I think you get the point. the format just is what it is. there is no way to avoid kingmaking even if you remove the intentional ones
>>98199702There is someone at the LGS who I legit think has a disability and I’m so tired of playing against him. He’s been playing for years, still can’t read his cards right and forgets basic things like when an ability requires tapping and when it doesn’t. I don’t consider myself some genius of the game, but I can into some level of threat assessment and strategic planning. This guy is almost a creature of pure instinct who just does anything he can on his turn regardless of whether it is the time to do it or not and then declares attackers seemingly at random.
Best card of the set
>>98138489Do you enjoy 60 card multiplayer? Luv me 60 card multiplayer.>agree on power levels and go from there
>>98202469What about 40 card draft multiplayer?
>>98202708Sounds fun, gotta proxy up a cube or something.
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