Also check out the sister thread>>98127132
>>98130961It's the most fitting OP for EDH if you think about it. PDS was actually right about this amidst his hissy fit.>No links, because the actual format rules do almost nothing to teach you how you're actually expected to play the game, so this is replicated in how the thread does nothing to teach new players how to play the game>No TQ, because the format is built around complaining about everything you don't like instead of learning more about the game and all the ways you could have beaten something, this lack of thought in replicated in the lack of a TQ
>>98130951Mate, this isn't even searchable since you put the title in the fuckin name field.
>>98130982Try thinking about it again from the perspective of a normal human being.
>4 hours left of commander day>3 headed giant game>on my team's turn 3 I drew an infinite and won the game for my team>all 5 other players suddenly had other plans and couldn't play anymoreI fucked it all up huh.
>>98130961>name isn't even in the proper field God I love watching the pds crew make total fools of themselves.
I cast picrel on the United States
>>98131020Not so fast colonizer
>>98131020absolutely abhorrent feet
>>98131044Orc feetThe Celestial Dawn hasn't reached them yetSovlful art
>>98131043>sorcery speed
>>98130998>If I put links in the OP, PDS will have a meltie and flood the thread>If I make a shitty OP on purpose, I get to laugh about it while pretending it's a metacommentary on the flaws of EDH
If anyone takes damage with these up do they just die?
>>98131511It is your turnOpponent is at 40 life.A source deals them 5 damage. Bloodletter doubles it to 10. You end turn and Archfiend makes them lose 10, Bloodletter doubles it to 20.Opponent has lost 30 life this turnDew the math
>>98131545My math is that Bloodletter instantly triggers again off of Despair though, so it goes infinite. Despair has a time specified, but Bloodletter doesn't.
>gay furry porn is out of the OP>linking to the superior thread is inOh no no no UBsisters
>>98131576By that logic they would go infinite off any damage.Archfiend only triggers once on end step. It checks the life lost this turn, and Bloodletter doubles it.
>>98131592>Archfiend only triggers once on end stepThat's my point of confusion. It triggers at the beginning of each end step, but that doesn't imply once to my knowledge. Since Bloodletter is instant, I think it's still the beginning of the end step. I just don't know for certain.
>>98131603Bloodletter is a replacement effect. You can tell this because it uses the word "instead." It replaces the amount of life lost.Archfiend is a triggered ability. It triggers at the beginning of each end step. The end step only begins once each turn.
>>98131646>The end step only begins once each turn.I swear to fucking god you people are the reason why nobody wants to learn the rules.My entire point, which I explicitly stated, was that I don't know why this is a one-off instead of remaining on the stack since time doesn't progress until the stack resolves.You can't just restate the exact same thing and call it an explanation.
>>98131655bro you lack a basic understanding of the stack and replacement effects, what do you want us to do?
>>98131655Nigger do you not understand how a triggered ability worksThing happensAbility goes on the stackThe end step only begins once (thing)The triggered ability goes on the stack once (ability)In gameplay:Go to end stepYou now have one instance of "Each opponent loses life equal to the life that player lost this turn" on the stack.Bloodletter sees this, and replaces the amount lost with twice that much.The ability resolves, each opponent loses N life (in our example it was 20)That is itAbilities resolvedEmpty stack>remaining on the stack since time doesn't progress until the stack resolves.I don't know what monkey words you're speaking but this means nothing in game terms.>You can't just restate the exact same thing and call it an explanation.Again, by your logic the same object on the stack would trigger itself in perpetuity
>>98130951The queen is disappointed in you
>>98131711Attempt an explanation. You just stated my point of confusion as fact without justification.>Despair triggers>Bloodletter goes on stack>It's still the beginning of end phase, so Despair triggers again>Bloodletter goes on stack>repeatPoint to exactly where this is wrong, and explain why. Don't just state that it's wrong, that doesn't teach me anything other than the outcome in this particular interaction. If you're trying to help someone learn the rules, you have to tell them the rules themselves, not just the outcome.
>>98131726HOW MANY FUCKLING TIMES DOES THE END STEP BEGIN EACH TURN
>>98131723>The triggered ability goes on the stack once (ability)But why doesn't it trigger again you doublenigger?Can triggers only be in the stack a single time?It feels like you don't even know the rules, you just fucking vibe check the results and then come up with some retarded post-hoc reasoning.
>>98131743>>98131726>>98131723What's the stack?
>>98131743>Cast a creature spell>Beast Whisperer triggers>Draw a card>Ah but anon, my creature spell is still on the stack! Surely my Beast Whisperer will trigger again! And again, indeed!
>>98131755It's this thing autistics at your LGS invented to stop your cards working as written to give themselves an advantage
>>98131726>>98131743Are you that spammer guy? You can't possibly be this dumbFirst of all, bloodletter doesn't "go on the stack"
>>98131765>Well you see, Mr Bond, my creature is about to deal 1 damage to you. Since time must not progress, as per the rules, until the stack has resolved, and it's still the beginning of my upkeep, I shall trigger one more damage to you. Following the aforementioned sound logic, I may damage you again until your defeat is certain. Good game, Mr Bond
Post decks!>going to change out the Cloudthresher for an Elder Gargaroth
>/edhg/ still has no refutation of this
>>98131743Oh I see your confusion.The beginning of the end step is not a point in time. When you enter the end step, it begins. That's the beginning of the end step. When that happens, anything that happens "at the beginning of (each/your/whoever's) end step" happens. Beginning the end step is an action that causes things to happen
>>98131965I feel more contempt for the blues here for finding something so lame so exciting.
I need to find a deck for her.
>>98131655>Time doesn't progress until the stack resolvesHow are you proposing that a player's life total changes without something on the stack resolving?Even if things did work the way you believe them to, you would need to resolve the Archfiend of Despair's trigger in order to have a player lose life.The real answer by the way, is that the 'beginning' of a phase or step happens before any player receives priority. As soon as the active player has priority it is no longer the 'beginning' of a phase/step.
>>98131986His core confusion was that he didn't understand replacement effects. He thought they were the same as triggered abilities, not realizing this would make Furnace of Rath et al go infinite with themselves.But yeah it was also mixed with what you said. A special cocktail of confusion.>>98131655Anon, if you ever return to this thread, I would have explained it a hundred times a hundred different ways if you had just been patient as I was.>I swear to fucking god you people are the reason why nobody wants to learn the rules.This set me off.
>>98131655>time doesn't progress until the stack resolvesMagic has no progression of time. Fundamental misunderstanding about the nature of the game.
>Buy tangle wire for my cube ages ago>Buy the new foil version>$50 nowWhat the fuck?
>>98131986Thank you. That makes it clear.>>98132016How does Split Second work then?
>>98131993I have her in this deck
>>98132048>How does Split Second work then?702.61. Split Second702.61a Split second is a static ability that functions only while the spell with split second is on thestack. “Split second” means “As long as this spell is on the stack, players can’t cast other spellsor activate abilities that aren’t mana abilities.”702.61b Players may activate mana abilities and take special actions while a spell with split secondis on the stack. Triggered abilities trigger and are put on the stack as normal while a spell withsplit second is on the stack.702.61c Multiple instances of split second on the same spell are redundanthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/rulesCtrl+f will get you farAnd there's more specific per-card rulings under every card in Scryfall
>>98132081Nice deck anon. Gylwain is cool. I get a very... aesthetic vibe from all your card choices
Big clone fan. I'm thinking Kimahri, any other good clone commanders? I like that he only hits opponent's stuff, and I like that I can clone him with my own clones without tripping the legend rule. He's missing black though...
>>98132081>Clever concealmentDilate, you will never pass
I love this little nigga like you wouldn't believe
>>98132497He's such a cutie, but also a unit. Shame he's tribalshit.
>>98131965Except FF is an actual good UB
How's my custom frame break job?
>>98132736>Except FF is an actual good UB*forgot to mention I'm trans btw catch me on FF14 for some good ERP UwU
How do you handle the inevitability of The Elder Scrolls and Dark Souls series getting full set UB releases within the next 3 years?
Feet are probably too much, the contrast is just off. I like the implied perspective a lot more though.
>>98133116The lack of background behind the seat looks bad
>card says flip a coin>"ummm I'll just roll odds or evens"No. Fuck you. It says FLIP A COIN. Flip the coin. Or I will fucking end you.
>>98133141no need to flip out
>>98133025I'm happy for Miyazaki. That's it, really
>>98133331
>>98133010I'm just not into any of these. Maybe other people are. I appreciate the OC at least.
>>98132153Yeah, sexy actresses and I can self insert as the casting director>>98132433Nah, trannies are gay, it just has two hot chicks instead of one (it's also too dark in pic related) and fulfills the actor role pretty well.
so we're migrating here or what>https://archidekt.com/decks/22639303/el_cadenasmade some adjustments to Chainer, what say you?
>>98131965>Like thing>someone else likes thing, but they're a different color>I now hate this thingYou were never special and your opinions are the same as the old-heads that left when magic got a story at all during Urza's, stupid fucks.
>>98135855>>someone else likes thing, but they're a different colorRemarkably bad bait
>>98132736>le approved UB meme
/EDHG/ approved UB sets:LoTRFFMLPGarfield
I personally like UB
>>98135898YouTube also
>>98133141I'm building a coin flip deck and I'm currently in the process of choosing a cool coin to bring along
>The general with the title in the name field stays up while the other one gets nukedWhat kind of joker is running this clown show?
this thread won bigly
>>98135855>Like thing>someone else likes thing, but they're a different color>I now hate this thingYes, but not in the way you mean
>>98136078let he who is without schizophrenia throw the first stone
>>98136124methinks someone is projecting their mental illness on a basket weaving forum, mayhaps.
this thread needs a hero
What are your thoughts on Secret Lair #1488?
>>98136308I prefer SLD 6 7
Any ideas for uncovering the red mana symbol a little more cleanly?
>>98136040I have that crappy plastic one from the coin flip SLD Precon. And a replica Two-Face coin. The plastic one is easier to flip.
KWAB
>>98136351They'll reprint this in a Friday the 13th SLD if it ever happens
I don't generally play black, especially monoblack. But I was thinking about making a deck around this guy. Any ideas on direction? Aristocrats and devotion are so boring.
What are you thoughts on Ms. Bumbleflower?
>>98136506that depends on if she's an older rabbit or a young oneand if she's the size of a regular rabbit or if she stands up to my waist
>>98136506Played by people who are going to be annoying as fuck>DON'T ATTACK MEEEEEEE, I LET YOU DRAWWWWWW
>>98136527>>98136506group thug > group hug
>>98136506Group hug upsets a lot of people
>>98136506Group hug in general is just a retarded meme, like “politics”In both cases the only world in which they work is when everyone else at the table has built their decks so poorly that they need to rely on others to function and/or win. One of the biggest bubble bursts when I first got into Commander was playing Eriette hoping to use my enchantments to persuade/dissuade at the table and going up against a guy who played 1v1 formats and just did not need anything from anyone to win. Every time I’ve ever played against group hug they’re high on my list to take out because they’re helping my opponents and I know what their plan is. Most of the time them giving me draw and mana means it’s easier to kill them than it would have been too, a literal self-defeating strategy
>>98136558If you don't know how an archetype works then you should not discuss it.
>>98136527I always break promises with group hug players, and its always funny
>>98136527Man, this thread goes against really REALLY bad group hug decks. Like "If this was voltron it wouldn't drop an equipment until turn 7" levels of bad.
>>98136579t. SEETHING board game troonSorry you fell for an archetype that doesn’t work bro. But hey you can swell the deck and buy something to work on your bald spot, people are starting to notice that you always wear a hat indoors
>>98136506fine if you're not the faggot who whines and cries and shits himself if anyone ever does anything to your life total or your board
>>98130988You found it anyways, didn't you? Retard.
>>98130999Your friends sound like pussies. I OTK'd my friend once with the classic drain half your life and make em lose based on how much life you gain combo when he was basically in the prime seat to win, and that just motivated him to go out and buy even more Magic cards.
>>98131965A real version of this would have some of the blues and reds making out.
>>98136809Jerk off before posting.
>>98133141A die is a type of coin.
>>98136825No it fucking isn't.
>>98136308It was born alongside my favorite SL card art of all time. I only wish my own favored one could have been the one to hold the honorable title of racist number, but oh well.
>>98136816Right back at you? What's your fucking problem? Did the chocobos really piss you off that much? Plenty of longtime fans generally love UB and that's simply a fact of life.
>>98136841Don't try to correct others on their own language you do not natively speak.
>>98136859>Plenty of longtime fans generally lovePosts like yours are a diamond dozen
>>98136868Yeah? That's literally the argument here. Which is why it would make sense for there to be a couple red/blue people making out while a bunch of verbose blues watch in disgust. Do you understand this reply chain now?
>>98136308You can tell by the flavor text that SLD 1488 was living in their head rent free for a while
Who is the best Commando for wincon-less group-hug and/or random chaos?
>>98137126Doubt it
https://moxfield.com/decks/j0Y0_BK1GkS5ZQSpKfIj_wThoughts on a more spell-based abdel list?
>>98137136Kardur with a lot of blink is pure chaos, but not at all group hug. For hug you could just throw in group token generation. Alexios too of course.
>>98136337>replacing a based demon with a jewish thotCringe
>>98137323I will not use an unedited 40k card under any circumstances.
>>98136439This card is meant for prisons and being the archenemy. Are you able to be such a man? If so I'll dig up my decklist.
>>98137421Why not? Be'lakor isn't even a 40k unique character, he's much more of a warhammer fantasy character. He was invented to be the big bad of that setting for the early 2000s.
>>98137438There's no point explaining. If you could understand my perspective it'd be immediately apparent to the casual observer.
>>98137447Eh? You prefer WoW slop to late 90s fantasy? Shit taste desu, why even play Magic? You might as well play LoR, it's more to your taste artistically.
>>98137447>prefers blizzard UB to a character first drawn by a magic artistGay
>>98137459>Shit taste desu, why even play Magic?My friends are into it; I would much rather play a different game to be honest.>>98137471Lilith isn't a Blizzard specific character, she's a well known demonic figure. The fact that the the 40k character was first drawn by an MtG artist is meaningless--so was that image of Lilith.If there was a better non-Blizzard identifiable art I found first I would've gone with that. Lilith fits the bill though, and isn't owned by an external franchise. It's why I was fine using President Amy even though she's technically from Jewish lore too instead of generic MtG. Nobody batted an eye at that because she's just less known I guess.I could've used something like pic related, but it's much less fitting for a commander.
>>98137561>Lilith isn't a Blizzard specific character, she's a well known demonic figure.>uses Blizzard art of a character you can get art of elsewhereokay retard
>>98137619After finishing the 32 deck challenge, I'm having more fun going back over decks that I built 5+ years ago than I was building new decks. I'm much better at building decks and a lot of newer/better cards have come out
>>98137619I constantly edit my decks, the only one I think i barely edit is Axonil because everything seems so important due to my autism
>>98133116Maybe adjust the placement and size of the image so one foot is behind the text box but the other is in front of it just over the creature box?
>>98136506Fine on paper but the people who player her are usually fags who whine the moment you do anything to them.
>>98137682As is the case with all group hug decks>i'm just trying to help>i'm just trying to make the game fun stop attacking me>i'm not doing anything stop ruining the gameover and over and over and over and over
>>98137673I think she may end up a bit small. I wish I could have just her left foot dangling, but since that's the one in back the perspective will look kinda funky I think. I'll try it real quick though.
Eh, probably will go with no feet.
I played this card on a pod who didn't know what it was. Really messed their shit up.
>>98137732I have a friend with a 5c deck that runs all 5 and just reanimates them over and over. Shit is cash, I love watching newer players come across them for the first time
>>98137732Is this MLD?
>>98137741Kukosho was being played by another player and it won them the game. Very few decks can handle mass life loss triggers like that. >>98137749It's called winning the game and giving white a chance.
>>98137161They literally extirpated the og 1488. They're aware. It's basic symbology, which they are definitely aware of.
>opponent equips Kokusho with Blade of Selves
>>98137778Does it make you feel better to believe this?
>>98137781>Blade of Selves???
>>98137787you attack an opponent and assuming they don't kill it with blockers they all skip the rest of the game
>>98137797Brutal
>>98137787Blade of selves gives the equipped creature myriad, which makes it create copies of it itself tapped and attacking each opponent it's not attacking whenever it attacks. Since Kokusho is a legendary, all the copies get legend ruled and are sacrificed immediately, triggering Kokusho's on death effect, meaning that every time Kokusho attacks, before anyone can even declare blockers, each opponent loses 5N life and Kokusho's controller gains 5N2 life, where N is the number of opponents.Basically, it's a good way to cause HUGE life swings in a single turn.
Free Jeweled Lotus
>>98137783Dude, wizards is ridiculously performative. It was absolutely intentional
>>98137871So, yes?
>>98137863Oh shit. Nice.>>98137868Yes. And Rofellos.
How do people who use real cards go about lands anyways?Just whatever you have? The prettiest arts? Do the nice ones cost something rather than being free?Do you have matching lands or go for max one of each art?
>>98137945can't beat the classics
yeah i play counterfeit full art foil basicsso what?
>>98137945Use whatever art I have laying around for whatever cards I need. The only cards I care about the art/foil for are the commanders of my decks
>>98137945>Go to land box>Grab some random shit until I have enough of each typeDone, I don’t overthink it
>>98138023I remember playing Magic as a poorfag. Foil everything even the tokens.
>>98138040>just bought 20some foil eldrazi spawns for Herigast>have 30 foil treasures of varying arts for Ognis>friend gave me a stack of foil bloods for ShilgengarDamn I really should've done this earlier it's actually kinda ballin
>>98137977KINO KINO KINO
>>98137977I'm surprised we never had Return to Rath or Return to Old Phyrexia
>>98137945If you have a specific treatment you're looking for, that can get pricey. A bunch of the SLD lands are 4-8 bucks a pop in foil, ditto for the galaxy foil Unfinity full art lands. Most of them don't though so it's really easy to get any match set for a deck for $15-20. I use the ixalan full art foil forests for one of my decks and I got 50 of them for $10 back when they came out
>>98138040I can't imagine how tranny you must be to use foil cards, if I see one I shred it up
>>98138069Banned from your LGS for destroying other player's property
>>98137945I use whatever I have lying around, but if I really like the deck I try to switch all basics to lands from the commander's original plane
>>98138059Rath's card pool sucks. We should have had a Return to Mirrodin set, but WOTC is actually quaked at the prospect of a reprint set having as much pure gasoline as Mirrodin: >Mox Opal>Chrome Mox>Chalice of the Void>Sword of Fire and Ice>Sword of Feast and Famine>Blightsteel Colossus>Crucible of Worlds>Mycosynth Golem>KCI>Mycosynth Lattice>the Praetors
>>98138059Rath fused with Dominaria and Phyrexia is an empty wasteland.
>>98131939Nice collection of foil basics
>>98138133sure but have you considered the following: the story of MTG doesn't matter
>>98138059BRO had new old phyrexia cards
>>98138133if reality fracture does well I can see a visit to the alternative version of a deserted plane happening. They should call it Universes Beyond or something
>>98131939>it's not that kinda deck, I swear!!Okay but what if it's REALLY not that deck? >no tutors>no infinites>no other proliferate cards>every level up creature I've come across>very budget manabaseI have a gentlemen's agreement with my friends that I never attack/block with her, and only use her as the proliferate engine
>>98138168Lame. Gay.
>>98138174
>>98138168People should stop being little piss babies
>>98132380Did nobody mention sultai Volrath to you, anon? It's got everything you want, it gets around the legend rule and has black.
goodstuff kotis that just plays the commander as a laff
>>98138240Shouldn't he have phyrexian in his typeline?
>>98138240Seems cool to me anon
>>98138360He does in oracle text, he was printed 2 years before the phyrexian errata
Do you like cards with reminder text or do you avoid them?
>>98138441>why would they align the text to allow for a post it note when the entire point of the post it note is to add something that couldn’t have been there when the text was printedIM GOING INSANE AIIIIIIIEEEEE
Has anyone here played Shadowverse and would be able to tell me what the closest deck to SV's Haven Seraph is in MTG?For context, Seraph's gameplan is surviving until turn 8 to play an 8 cost card that will win it the game in 4 turns after it was playedIt never wins by attacking the enemy, all it does is still and heal itselfIt also has card effects that can speed up the above turn 4 process (so you can instawin on turn 9 if you have the perfect 3 cards on hand for example)
>>98138976OG Seraph (the one you were describing):Approach of the Second SunSeraph retrain from ShadowverseWB:Maybe like Rienne, Angel of Rebirth ?
>>98138123We have had a Return to Mirrordin set
>>98131939
>>98136040Try to track down a cool Slammer that was used for pogs 25+ years ago
>>98136825no, a coin is a type of die
I use google "flip a coin" feature on my cell phone. Just type it on a google search and it just works. I don't want to mess around with actually flipping coins.
>>98137945I prefer full art. Il try to get as many different versions that I can for the deck. The EOE foil ones look fantastic
>>98131965what's to refute? EDH is a shadow of its former self.
>>98131965>NOOOOOOO THAT MLP CARD SHOULD HAVE FEATURED MY FAVORITE INUNIVERSE NEGRO!!!!!!!! It would have been SO different
>>98131965>yet another faggot that doesnt even bother arguing for UW
