A place for discussion of pre-WotC D&D, OSR retroclones, and OSR-adjacent games.>Is this a general?No, just a place to discuss OSR and related content.>Isn't there an OSR thread already?No, the current regulars of /osrg/ have made it clear they only want to see a narrow subset of OSR games in the thread.This means the name /osrg/ is somewhat misleading, but that's their problem.Please report and ignore any trolling.Thread question>has anyone managed to create a dungeon that stands up to the Tomb of horrors style deathtrap dungen crawl?
>>98136689>Mud Sorceror's tombGive me a quick rundown on this dungron.
>>98136689>>has anyone managed to create a dungeon that stands up to the Tomb of horrors style deathtrap dungen crawl?Why would anyone want to? ToH is an awful dungeon.
I just want to point out, this thread isn't related to the other Open OSR thread, which was started as a counter to the "osrg is bad" threads
>>98136794We can usually tell, this OP can't help themselves from making agitation jabs at /osrg/ in a very passive aggressive way.
>>98136863I'll start another when the other thread is closer to archive. its still a ways from the bottom
Rolled 5, 4, 3, 1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 3, 1, 4, 2, 1, 3, 5, 1, 6, 6 = 53 (18d6)Fuck it, call the character and roll. This is for my fighting man from not!Minos exiled from his homeland for the crime of being more handsome than some noble or whatever
>>98136931>12, 4, 8, 7, 9, 13>best stat is charismaCalled it, but it is what it is
just make a 2e thread
I would like to know what a mud sorcerer summons. Is there a sacrificial chamber somewhere where the priestess gets chained to a He-Man Slime Playset, or is it a dirt floor with a tentacle pit of mud sort of thing?
>>98137065>I would like to know what a mud sorcerer summons.Water and earth elementals.>Mud tentaclesUgh. im imagining the cleanup after that wouldn't be fun.
>>98136689>troll thread gets baleeted>tries to post fake /osrg/, gets baleeted>waits until Open OSR thread goes to bump limit (barely), then steals Open OSR name for his own trolling OPTrolling nigger, can't control yourself, huh? Why do you have to shit up this general just because you can't shit up /osrg/?
>>98136985OP of this thread isn't interested in that, all he wants to do is pursue his schizo vendetta against /osrg/.
>>98136931Neat rolls.
>>98138457Don't bump this troll thread, please.
>>98136949>Dumb yet charming fighter3d6 in order writes itself
Rolled 9 (1d10)>>98138457>>98138466Let's see if my guy has enough HP to survive fighting a cat
>>98137530who the fuck caresno one is stopping anyone from posting about games
>>98138925OP cares enough to try to force his troll wording apparently.>no but nobody else should care so I can get away with it reeeeeeee!kys
>>98138978>OP cares enoughSo?who the fuck cares about what OP cares for?both you and OP are childish and no one actually cares about you two
>>98139257>t. OP
>>98139257NTA or the OP, but the whole business of the /osrg/ becoming some sort of BrOSR cesspool is something worth ridicule.
>>98139841Don't worry: only fishfag believes that's a thing. Everyone else understands that the BrOSR is like ten randos on Twitter that no one gives a shit about.
>98139861Fuck off, you weird troll. The entire rest of the internet understands the BrOSR to be the weird retards who think there's only ONE TRUE WAY to play OSR, and those are exactly the retards who've ruined the /osrg/.It's really this retard in particular, who I'm assuming is you.>>98138715
>>98140004>Gary Gygax is the BrOSRIs fishfag becoming more stupid as the months go buy and his assmanglement reaches his brain? Or has he always been this retarded?
>>98140032>brainmangledKEKBut yeah for real though, he's lost it. It's weird because at first it seemed like he knew that he'd made up his BrOSR spook as a troll, but now he seems to believe in it wholeheartedly.>>98140004>ruined the /osrg/Lmao, it's better than it has been for years and years.
>98140032Worshiping Gygax is definitely a BrOSR thing.
It's always weird when the BrOSR guys try to deny the existence of the BrOSR or pretend that BrOSR means someone other than themselves.https://www.enworld.org/threads/brosr.691184/https://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=89918&start=270https://www.reddit.com/r/osr/comments/1go9e1h/what_the_hell_is_brosr/https://enragedeggplant.blogspot.com/2024/10/brosr-and-gurps.html
>>98140488The thing I still really don't understand is why it's not just a hate boner for 2e, but a gay boner for ACKS.It's such a weird combo, particularly with how untraditional ACKS is and how it's so mediocre quality-wise. The Pro-ACKS trolls and the Anti-2e trolls probably wouldn't have made it clear that they were one small group without them attacking everyone who criticized ACKS in the same manner that they attacked everyone who wanted to discuss 2e.The whole anti-2e business being core to the BrOSR identity makes a certain degree of sense if they grew from the K&KA forums, but them also promoting ACKS is such a curveball that it's almost impossible for two independent groups to have reached the same extreme and bizarre conclusions independantly. Looking at the BrOSR blogs, the level of shameless shilling they did for the game almost feels like actual money was exchanged.https://jeffro.wordpress.com/2015/12/09/why-acks-is-one-of-the-best-rpgs-on-the-market/https://bdubsanddragons.blogspot.com/2021/11/bdubs-essential-guide-to-patron-play.html?m=1Between the general BrOSR concepts and ACKS, aside from maybe vague politics, the only thing shared is the general unpopularity of their ideas within the OSR community, combined with outsized efforts to make themselves seem larger than they actually are.It might be much less about the games, and just the methods. The K&KA trolls first tried to promote OSRIC by starting flame wars on Dragonsfoot and the TLG forums, resulting in countless bans and even any mentions of OSRIC being banned entirely from the TLG forums. And, the ACKS trolls managed to get their entire game banned from rpg.net and Reddit because of their brigading. These trolls being part of the same BrOSR group makes sense when you look at things that way, and also helps explain why the /osrg/ is likewise beset by a group of trolls that are particularly aggressive.
>>98140521>schizo alt-history copypasta
>>98136863The faggot is trying to hijack Open OSR now, what a fucking loser
>>98140869Even the Open OSR guys are starting to get annoyed by fishfag, lmao
>>98140472Funny how they never worship the part where Gygax says everything in DMG is optional and the whole book is pretty much unnecessary for a good DM.
>>98140633>so BTFO that all you can do is try to inanely gaslight people with worthless shitposts because the truth (verified with links) reveals you to be the loathsome snake you areBrOSR really are retarded.
>>98140895Any thread stuck with fishfag will eventually realize how much he is fundamentally a net negative: never actually plays games, spams shit about his gangstalking conspiracies and alt-histories, tries to round up people for his loser army, whines about off-topic shit constantly. He has never made one useful post in the history of tg.
>>98141372You really spend way too much time trying to build up your fishfag mythology, all just to try and create a reason why you think it's okay to hijack the /osrg/.Everything you say is always just some sort of lie. Even the whole "there is a singular fishfag" thing is just a lie built on a lie built on a lie.
>>98141406>a reason why you think it's okay to hijack the /osrg/It was never hijacked, Fishfag. Get it through your head that literally everybody else in the threads voted to exclude you, for this exact reason.
>>98141686Weird you'd even try repeating these lies when we've got archived evidence of you lying your ass off about all this, including your hijack.You don't seem to get it. You think 4chan doesn't have a memory and that if you just lie and keep lying your lies can replace the truth somehow, despite the archive being a permanent record of your falsehoods.
>He's back to rambling about "4chan never forgetti spaghettis"Funny given how your entire bit relies on people not noticing you for the massive faggot you are and you denying it any time someone points it out across various threads.
>>98141872Dude, you need to just give up.You're down to just denying things even when the proof is right there, hoping to jump to a new lie when you realized you're pinned, and all while hoping that there's anyone left who's willing to believe your "it's all just one guy" bullshit.You're neither as clever as you imagine you are, nor is 4chan dumb enough to fall for your shit. You probably should just cut your losses and jump ship to some other website and hope that they're actually dumb enough to listen to you. Maybe find one without an archive that can be used to reveal what kind of shitstain you are.
>It's trying to schizo-whine at me againWhen I need the opinion of the clinically retarded, I'll @ you, until then assume that nothing you have to babble about interests me or anyone else.
>>98141836>we've got archived evidence of you lying your ass off about all this, including your hijackLmao, where have any of us ever posted anything but mockery of your seething? Go on, go back in the archive and show me where I or anyone else has ever said anything but that the OP was changed through a common consensus of posters and that you're alone in being completely, fully, prolapsingly assblasted.
>>98141964>all while hoping that there's anyone left who's willing to believe your "it's all just one guy" bullshit.Kek, you're running out of rope, pal. Why do you think this thread's so deserted? Even your erstwhile allies or whatever in the Open OSR thread have figured out that you're a solitary thread-hijacking loon.
>>98136689>and OSR-adjacent games.I've been looking for something older to try and run a game based around Final Fantasy 1 and was recommended Retro Phaze in another thread. I like what I've seen so far and am very interested in playing it so I was wondering if anyone has any experience with it? I was also wondering if anyone has the Advanced stuff John Higgins was working on for his next addition before he washed his hands of it and deleted it all from the internet. I'm really hoping to eventually meet someone who actually saved the stuff.
>>98142495It's weird for an OSR game. Seems much more like just a generic light system.It looks functional and slim, though not particularly good in any category. It's actually kind of dull, especially compared to something like Ryuutama which shares a similar light feel and video-game inspired mechanics but is just so much more inspired and flavorful. It would probably work very well for a FF1 game, since that's basically what it was designed for, but I wonder how long its novelty would last. It's at least good that they had enough sense to put the best item into the game.
>>98142495I wouldn't call it OSR at all.
>>98143058You wouldn't call it adjacent either?
>>98143058The guy who wrote it calls it OSR and even put OSR on the back cover. And this was back in 2011. He's got a weird interpretation of Old School, but it's definitely inspired by OD&D, and it's also inspired by Final Fantasy, which was inspired by the Wizardry, which was inspired by OD&D.
>>98143080Not really. My personal definition of OSR is an emulation of Oldschool (pre 3rd ed) D&D. OSR adjacent stuff to me is stuff that takes that formula and gives it a new theme (stars without number)This game is just a rules lite system, it's not emulating D&D in terms of playstyle, mechanics & goals. Still fun, but not paet of the OSR IMO. That being said don't seek permission to enjoy this, just play it.
>>98143091Wait he did? Im uninformed and probably at fault.
>>98143096https://img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/image/1378/21/1378215838453.pdf
>>98136741Correct reply. ToH exists only to humble rude and egotistical RPGA players with faked character sheets.
>>98143098I get what RetroPhaze is trying to do, but a less lethal version of Mork Borg with a better magic system would work a lot better.
>>98142495No offense but you should probably ask in a non-troll thread made by someone other than a schizophrenic sperg, such as the real Open OSR thread: >>98142636This one's made by a demented nigger with a chip on his shoulder and not likely to see a lot of good-faith discussion.
>>98143098I'll take a look at that later.
>>98143134Ignore this poster. He's the kind of liar who will lie even right in the face of facts that prove him to be a liar.
>>98143115A handful of notes scribbled on a napkin would probably work better.
>>98143385Go to bed Zak.
>>98143134>>98143761i hope you both get banned
>>98136689About to run stonehell, how do you handle getting the players to understanf that they need to leave the dungeon before the end of the session?
>>98144347You seem to be lost, Anon. You're posting in a nevergames troll hijack thread with zero actual discussion.If you ask on the real /osrg/:>>98125206we'll be happy to help.
>>98144347You should kill their characters between sessions for being stuck in the dungeon for (how many days between the 2 sessions)
>>98144347You explain it to them?
>>98145007i mean that works? I don't want to just TPK them for not making it out of the dungeon in time.
>>98144347What is stonehell like?
>>98142495Since when did Final Fantasy have an OSR game?
>>98136741I disagree. I think it's a masterclass on a hyper puzzle dungeon. It's like the kobayashi maru of the TSR era.
>>98144347Just explain it to them.
>>98148582Any dungeons like tomb of horrors?
>>98148117Anon, you seem to be lost. You're asking a couple of samefagging nogames in a circlejerk astroturfing hijack thread. Try asking on the real /osrg/ instead, there's three different Anons running Stonehell campaigns there and posting updates and session reports semi-regularly:>>98125206We'll be happy to help.
>>98149994Mud sorcerors tomb in OP. there's also "negadungeons" but they're more just shitty on purpose instead of being puzzles.
Anyone know why the actual Open OSR thread got deleted and this thread didn't?
your guess is as good as mine but I would speculate it is related to this thread being up earlier
>>98151051Fuck it, I'll make a new one anyhow. If they delete it, they delete it.
>>98151020This is also an actual Open OSR thread. We don't need another side to this business, and the OP for this one, while you consider it to be too inflammatory, isn't any sort of lie, aside from calling the trolls in the /osrg/ the "current regulars" as opposed to "current occupiers who commandeered the thread after one of them became a janitor."
>>98151075No, this is an inflammatory thread that took the open OSR name . It's not the Open OSR, it does not use the Open OSR OP, but the inflammatory OP.Use your own name.
>>98151091Do whatever you want, you dumb fuck.I definitely appreciate the OP of this thread more than your more sniveling one, but overall the only thing I really care about is OSR actually means OSR. I think I personally dislike you as a person, but I can't fault you for at least knowing what OSR actually means.
>>98151020Because fishfag >>98151075 hijacked your thread for his sperg jihad against /osrg/.He was doing the same for months, posting altered versions of the /osrg/ OP as soon as /osrg/ hit bump limit, until the mods put an end to it.Now he's doing it to your thread. How do you like it when it happens to you?
>>98151075>after one of them became a janitorPost proof or shut the fuck up, fishfag.
>>98151091>Use your own name.Lol you think fishfag will listen to that? His whole personality on 4chan is stealing generals and threads.
What are Fishfag's objectives? They seem to be "discussing 2e", but he never actually does that.
>>98151502He hates /osrg/ for /pol/tarded reasons, wants to destroy it, and he uses whatever /osrg/ dislikes as an excuse to troll it.He wrote hundreds of posts of alt history about 2e and Dragonlance, and then he was caught not even knowing that Raistlin was a playable character in the Dragonlance modules. He also clearly doesn't know the rules of 2e.Some 2e fans here think he's an ally because he poses as someone who cares about 2e, and somehow they don't understand that he's just using them for his sperg jihad. But he's managing to alienate them as well, which frankly is hilarious to see.
>>98151520>which frankly is hilarious to seeAnd satisfying
>>98151480>>98151483Fishfag isn't real. I'm not the OP of this thread, and the proof of your hijacking has been demonstrated a thousand times already, while you act like you've got alzheimers and constantly keep asking for the same links in the archive showing how hollow your "consensus" was. You even trying to pretend a concensus could be reached on 4chan about any divisive topic points you as a guy who doesn't even care how ridiculous his lie is.You're right in the middle of further proof that people disagree with your personal definition, while still acting like you can pretend everyone who recognizes a commonly understood fact is a single entity. OSR
>>98151480This still does not explain why the mods deleted the one with an active ongoing game discussion and left this thread
>>98151201>I definitely appreciate the OP>t. totally not OP, who is also totally not fishfag, who doesn't exist.
>>98151520>for /pol/tarded reasonsSee, this is the part I don't get, didn't his threads ban ACKS discussion? I thought /pol/ loved ACKS.
It was so nice and quiet when trollcow got banned. Him always samefagging with himself is so sad and obnoxious.
>>98151530>fishfag doesn't exist>proceeds to repeat the same schizo alt history for the millionth time word for word>totally not the same guy, though
>>98151542fishfag hates /osrg/ because he thinks they're all chuds. Calling something /pol/ bullshit is an umbrella term for anybody bringing politics into /tg/, doesn't matter what their specific allegiance lies.
>>98151546>trollcow doesn't exist>even though he always tries to gaslight in the same fashion and pretend common knowledge that can be independantly verified is some sort of alternate history, all while samefagging like a retard
>>98151538Hard to tell, and speculating about staff motivations is basically against the 4chan rules anyway, so I won't do it.What matters more is fishfag's motive: He's noticed that your thread title was more successful than his, so he's decided to take it over to use it in his sperg jihad against /osrg/.How and whether janitors and mods decide to deal with it is up to them, ultimately.
>>98151545It was nice.3 days without any if his trolling in the real OSR threads, and curiously the /osrg/ also dropped to less than ten posts a day. It really seems like the /osrg/ troll is just a guy who treats being a BrOSR like a full-time job.
>>98151554>no u comeback>says "trollcow" in hopes it'll make the fishfag nickname go awayWe've already explained to you that it only makes you more recognisable, fishfag.
>>98151573You pulling a "if I accuse them of what I'm doing, I can then turn around and just say 'no u' when they call me out" is hardly a genius strategy, trollcow.
>>98151571I'm still surprised by how total it was.
>>98151545>>98151554>>98151571>>98151580>>98151588>fishfag desperately furiously samefagging after getting recognised to try and muddy the watersAnother classic.
>trollcow accuses others of what he does
>>98151588The thing I find funny is that when he slinked back to start shitposting the very minute his ban expired and was called out on it, he claimed that he wasn't banned, he had just been busy.The fact that his absence can be precisely marked on a calendar seemed to sail over his head.
Actual Open OSR thread here>>98151098
>>98143098This looks clunky. I could probably create a better 1:1 Final Fantasy lite game in a weekend.
>>98151553Makes more sense, though only marginally as I assume an anti-chud wouldn't like to be associated with 2e. Then again, it makes complete sense if he doesn't actually know anything about 2e.
>>98151710>Makes more sense, though only marginallyWe are talking about someone who has literal clinical autism and who has developed an autistic fixation on the topic. You can't apply normal logic to him.
>>98151734>says the guy talking to himself in a thread made specifically just to avoid himYou have your containment thread, trollcow. You've got no reason to be here other than to show off your "literal clinical autism" in the face of people wanting to discuss Real OSR as opposed to your gay shit.
>>98151780>fishfag still hasn't realised that this is the containment thread
>>98151815>one of trollcows's famous "I lose" imagesAnother victory.
>>98151571Just keep reporting his posts and ignore him. give it enough time and he'll get banned, he's broken the rules more than enough to earn one today alone.>>98136931what happened with this char, anon?
>>98151201this reads just like a post an osrgtard would make trying to false flag disarray
I'm the actual anon they call "fishfag" and I'm here to clear some things upI hate osrgtards because they are fucking morons and retards who are too stupid to understand just how fucking stupid they are and for no other reason
