Why did GW kill off Forgeworld without porting over most of the designs? They're leaving money on the table
>>98137900gw designers were mad that forgeworld was better and they hate using resin
>>98137916But can't they just port over the models 1:1 to plastic with current tech?
>>98137923They could, but it costs a lot of money, workforce and time. So they might do it one by one eventually, but certainly not all at once.
>>98137923I have no clue but it sounds like actual work which james workshop is clearly allergic too, if they can't shit it out in CAD they don't seem to be interestedyou're talking about the same guys who charge $30+ for a single spincast metal model
>>98137936>>98137939Wouldn't it save them money since they don't have to go through the iterative design progress to come up with new ideas, new poses, etc? Just remake the model 1:1 with minor tweaks required by the manufacturing process. But you save on designer hours, meetings to discuss "hmm I like this version but maybe give it more eyes and smaller legs" etc. It's free money
>>98137944>new ideaslmao what this is games workshop they've been making the same shit for 30 years
>>98137944Designer hours pale in comparison to the capex of the molds, it's why the tail of pewter models is so obscenely long. Those "minor tweaks" are still thousands upon thousands of dollars.
>>98137959I would rather have a plastic Macharius tank or a plastic Malcador tank than the fucking bottomless Rogal Dorn
>>98138058Horus Heresy has the Malcador thankfully, didnt seem to different from the fw one
>>98138058kek the rogal dorn is the biggest piece of dogshit I have ever seenembarrassing offering from a "model" company
>>98137900Why waste time and resources in better models that are harder to cast, when all your playerbase will buy marineslop anyway.
>>98138486Ah, the pokemon dilemma.
>>98137900Modern GW is all about FOMO, so they want to kill Forgeworld designs to generate FOMO when they reintroduce them in a slightly different version so you can't use the old model.
>>98137900I didn't even know they axed Forge World. Rest in Piss.
>>98138606This Happened with the Blight Drone!
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>>98137900>Why did GW kill off ForgeworldThey didn't tho? Many reshit and failcast kits were axed long time before the organisational merge. I say organisational merge for a reason, because Forge World was never a separate company. It was literally just a separate online store who's sole purpose was to create a feeling and sense of exclusivity. Forge World was not even listed separately in financial reports afaik.
>>98139075it was a subdivision and warwick literally only wrote the imperial armour books followed by bligh and they didn't write codexes at the same time that was handled by the usual retards iirc
>>98138606Its this. Worked with space marines even.
>>98137900I can't be the only one thinking that paintjob looks kind of shit. >>98137939>if they can't shit it out in CADYou have no idea what CAD is or means.
>>98138893what a fucking downgrade
>>98138885SOVL>>98138893Soulless
>>98137900I think it was envy and probably to avoid paying royalties to fw team members which is why most models got memory hole’d.Just guessing.
>>98139226>You have no idea what CAD is or means.computer assisted design like zbrush compared to more traditional methods of making minis like making a 3-up, making a green, cutting it, and making a sprue etc. they have moved away from the latter due to cost and ease of access for new trainees etc.
>>98143269They've been using CAD longer than you've been in the hobby, if not longer than you've been alive. Allows you to do a lot of shit you can't do by hand and its the superior method of making models, GW just have shit designers.
>>98137936>but it costs a lot of money, workforce and timelol, no it doesnt. I could literally do it in my bosses 2 man workshop (me and him) over a course of a few hours.
>>98143402no they have not lmao shut the fuck up you retarded bitch salad
>>98143427And two men spending a few hours is not a time and workforce investment?
>>98143478First kit with CAD components came out in 2003 btw
>>98149216so? you're a newfag what about it?
>>98137923Did you not read what anon said? GW designers were incredibly buttblasted that the silly little side studio the company created to shuffle off the old treadheads to so they were out of the way while the GW Studio proper got to work "modernising" the IPs ended up beloved by the core fans and produced both books and model designs that kept getting used as a point of comparison to illustrate how shit modern GW Studio work was. The few FW designs that have been ported into plastic have come as a result of nu30K(a project that is in general a humiliation ritual for Bligh-era Heresy, all the way down to replacing the gritty style of painting with standard issue GW Studio slop, and which has been thoroughly amputated from 40K itself), or are hideous "reimaginings" like >>98138893 that take something weird and interesting and make it cartoonish buffoonery.There's no technical reason they *can't* port the models over 1:1, they *choose* not to because there's an element in the GW Studio who're sad, petty, jealous, catty little bitches who hate that the "chud-coded" stuff is more popular than their faggoty modern designs.
>>98137923Resin and plastic kits are fundamentally different. Plastic kits are made to be hollow to fit together, resin is not, the sprues and gates have to be designed completely differently.It COULD be possible in the case of very small kits like characters or heresy head sets but with big vehicles absolutely not.
>>98149413>The few FW designs that have been ported into plastic have come as a result of nu30KThe Valkyrie was essentially a 1:1 plastic port of the Forge World model, and also ironically that plastic kit existing massively improved FW's Vulture Gunship as it allowed them to replace the notoriously ill-fitting resin wings with superior plastic pieces.
>>98149695>The Valkyrie was essentially a 1:1 plastic port of the Forge World model,While the model was ported in a sense that the built flyer looks the same, the model kit is completely new and different. And that's the point. You need to build a plastic kit from scratch, no matter if a resin kit already exist or not.
>>98149413>There's no technical reason they *can't* port the models over 1:1, they *choose* notNo>>98149987>>98149558Stuff like the valkyrie isn't "ported" they're fucking completely remade from scratchWhy they aren't doing that for popular models is a completely different question but it's ignorant and disingenuous to claim that they could just replace resin with plastic and call it a day
>>98137944Doing the sculpt is the easy part especially with vehicles and CAD. >>98137967 is right. Thousands of hours might be exaggeration but it IS the majority of the work.A lot of good figure designers start designing with the part separation in mind and that reduces it a bit. But resin kits like forgeworld's were originally made on the premise that they'd be resin casts, not plastic kits, so you have to rebuild everything from scratch where in many cases the design straight up wasn't meant to be made in plastic.The majority of work goes into designing how the kit is split into parts for production and like >>98149558 says the way resin and plastic kits have part separation is completely different so plastic has to be redone from scratch. The models have to be cut up in completely different ways and arranged so that the plastic will flow properly.
>>98137900GW is killing off resin because the process takes more manual labour, meaning less profit. This was acceptable in the past because the sales volumes were lower, because the upfront cost of molds needed for injection molded plastic meant that resin made sense for certain models. Since then they've reached a cap on production at their current facility (supposedly limited due to municipal power capacity, which is not quickly upgraded). If you can only make a limited amount of units per month, you want to make as many of the once with the higher profit margin.Leaving money on the table is debateable; they're currently capped for production at their current facility and able to move that amount of product every month. tl;dr they're leaving some money on the table because they have bigger fish to catch
What the fuck!?? When did they kill Forge World??? They made much better figures than Games Workshop ever did
>>98149987>>98150043I seriously doubt that anyone was suggesting that resin moulds can be used to make plastic kits when they talk about 'porting' some of Forge World's old range.
>>98137900As if GW wanted to release evrything at once.They will slowly drip feed them, because this way people buy more stuff
>>98150460Makes sense. Not everyone can buy the whole range at release day. And so you can stretch announcements and release hype to stay in the news feed.I dont think people buy more stuff. Just that army planning and building will be harder.
>>98150814People have limited budgeds for their hobby per month, if you release evrything at once, they will only buy what they want/need, otherwise you can make it so people buy everything because its what fills their social media feeds
