I’ve noticed a trend of men who write fantasy to interpret their fiction as female oriented, like magic being female, or women being better spellcasters, or amazing female warriors, because they’re just that into women, because they’re sexless nerds or something and they want pussy I guess
>>98138813Have you ever read an actual book in your life that wasn't gay Japanese comics?
>>98138813>like magic being female>or women being better spellcastersSimps are some of the most well known fantasy authors. Fantasy worlds are not written to be masculine. They almost always assume women are superior magic users. Look at Dungeons & Dragons (particularly the Forgotten Realms). Look at Dark Souls and Elden Ring. The magic is always female or some feminine force. Even in Dune women are (initially) the best at their witchy shit for thousands of years. This is a consequence of writers being male and wanting to see women as more magical and special than they are within fantasy. Even though men were the ones poking at the mysteries of the world. It’s a form of projection. “Oh my god nature is so beautiful it’s like a woman!”. Fuck off.
>>98138826I agree, it should be>nature is so beautiful! It's just like man!Because I, like you, am a flaming ponce
>>98138813Traditional games?
>>98138813Its an attempt to justify female characters involved in the adventure and not have the entire cast be a massive sausagefest. We have limited ability to just handwave and pretend away the realities of melee combat, but magic can work any way you want it to so making it a female-dominated sphere is no less valid than a male dominated one. Its the path of least resistance.
>>98138813This is happening for crass commercial reasons actually. Most readers of fiction are female so if you write a realistic medieval setting they get mad. The common solution is to go "uh okay men are still physically superior but women are better at this completely made up mystical horseshit" which obviously, if you think about it for five seconds is incredibly condescending, but it works and allows the fantasy women to be "equal" to the men. Which is tantamount to saying that equality is a fable, of course, but that doesn't seem to occur to anybody.
>>98138823OP has not read manga either since those are filled with overpowered male mage protagonist. He probably saw this in a video or a meme like all zoomers do while never engaging with the original material.
>>98138826>The magic is always female or some feminine force.That goes back to Norse seiðr, if not even further back.
>>98138813Who is Merlin?Who us Gandalf?Who is Blackstaff?Who is Malcador?Who is Vanus Galerion?Who is fucking Harry Potter?Seriously bro, where are you getting this "women are better at magic" shit from? Like 95% of the well known magic users in western media are men. Stop watching Sailor Moon and playing Gayshit Impact, bro. You've got severe brainrot.
>>98138813It's actually way simpler than that. It's difficult to write women being injured without it coming off as misogynistic. Think about it, have you seen any recent fantasy story where women get hideously mutilated or mangled on-screen? Maybe Game of Thrones, but that was only for big ugly warrior-woman Brienne, most other women die very clean deaths or get hurt 'off-screen'.So this means that the solution is simply to make women so good at whatever they're doing, they don't get hurt. Because otherwise, why the fuck are you taking a woman into combat? They're terrible at that.Like look at Wheel of Time, there's no indication that the Maidens of the Spear are better fighters than men. And if women weren't channelers, why bother? There's a SINGLE female non-Aiel fighter, and despite being a legendary hero she's average at best.
>>98138826>Look at Dungeons & Dragons (particularly the Forgotten Realms).Elminster? Khelben Blackstaff? What are you talking about, anon? Sure, the deity of magic is a goddess, but it's not exactly like the top-tier wizards of the setting are overwhelmingly female. Dragonlance has 2/3 gods of magic be male, and the most prominent wizard in the setting is probably Raistlin. >>98138989This is true for those settings where women are superior spellcasters, though. And of course it's also true for the more numerous settings where magical ability is just sort of gender neutral.
>>98138826>Fantasy worlds are not written to be masculineexplain REHs settings
>>98138989This. It's like, if women aren't good at magic, what ARE they good at in a combat situation? Hell even 40K highlights that the Sisters of Silence, the super-elite Talons of the Emperor...are mostly there to back up the Custodians due to their pariah aura. If not for that, there would be no point to having an all-female force that is demonstrably worse than men.
>>98138813Your gay anime girl gacha-games are not literature, Anon. Please never post on /tg/ ever again.
>>9813929340k has the benefit that for all of its fantasy baggage, it has guns. Men still have a lot of combat related advantages on the battlefield with modern/future firepower, but the importance of brute physical strength and longer reach is vastly, vastly reduced once you can just point and click a guy to death. Once guns get involved, you no longer need magic to justify why a woman can be part of the adventure because a woman who is a good shot with any kind of firearm can be contributing member of the team without issue. "But I have a penis!" isn't a compelling argument on the wrong end of a 12 gauge shotgun.
Witches, oracles, all around the world throughout history, do you faggots read fucking anything
>>98139243>Who is fucking Harry Potter?A very interesting example because it throws a lot of wrenches in OP's view. Harry being male, most of the characters being male, and yet certain things like flying brooms and witch hats and cauldrons being all primarily connected to women historically, which explains why there would be a female connection to magic in other stories anyway
>>98139264There was a trend in action movies and tv shows in the 2010s to mix in some women with the groups of anonymous goons who all get unceremoniously killed by the hero during action sequences, and it was always tonally jarring. Using women for roles like that just doesn't work, the human brain rejects it on a deep subconscious level.
>>98139429The fuck is reading?
>>98139386There are of course individual exceptions, and fantasy settings with energy weapons changes the equation, but on average women have worse aim, slower reaction time, and are less able to absorb recoil than men are on average. Furthermore, even though it doesn't affect the act of aiming and shooting itself, women on average have lower strength and stamina, which means they are able to carry less gammo/gear and can't travel ar far as quickly as men on average. In a war, both these things are hugely important. Don't get me wrong, guns DO level out the playing field substantially... but nowhere near COMPLETELY.
>>98139045Norse seidr comes from earlier shamanic practices from Siberia which were male dominated for the most part. It was seen as feminine becomes shamans are submissive fucks.
In the Forgotten Realms, magic is literally a woman, and you can fuck her. You can fuck magic itself. Thanks Ed.
>>98139429Witches and oracles wernt doing real magic, faggot-kun. The oracles were high on drugs all day, and "witch" was just an accusation thrown at any woman (and some men) who deviated too far from the societal norms of their time.
>>98139243>Who is Vanus Galerion?I unironically have no idea.
>>98139429Most seers were men and were devotees of Apollo you retard
>>98139476Throughout real world history, most religions had a goddess of war. War itself was female. Even greek mythology had Ares was competing for the role with both Athena and Aphrodite (who people forget was a war goddess because she started off as literally just Ishtar and slowly had to her portfolio sanded down over the course of hundreds of years)
>>98139490Founder of the Mages Guild and the different "schools" of magic in Elder Scrolls.
>>98139289Presumably he means they aren't *anymore*, Anon. If he were factoring in old pulps and Tolkien his claim would be nonsense.
>>98139500Oh. Well, if he was that powerful I think he could have used one of his spells to change his name from Anus.
>>98139467It has also been proven repeatedly, in actual modern scientific studies, that men on average adapt to the social structures needed for group cohesion in war and combat environments much quicker and easier than women, and maintain that cohesion much better.
>>98139494You’re about as retarded as the people who claim that throughout the world the moon is more feminine than it is masculine, or that magic is more feminine than masculine, when this isn’t actually the case.
>>98138826>Dune women are (initially) the best at their witchy shit for thousands of yearsBecause they actively kept men out of their secret organization. There was nothing physical or metaphysical that prevented a male from enduring the spice agony and gaining access to other memories. The weirding way and the voice are also not exclusive to females. The Bene Gesserit weren't "better" at spooky shit, they were just the only game in town (by design) until the Kwisatz Haderach showed up.
>>98138826Are women really better sorcerers in elden ring though
>>98139494>Ares was competing for the role with both Athena and AphroditeWrong. Ares was the god of war as such, Athena was the god of clever strategy Aphrodite was no longer a war goddess at all by the classical period, but Astarte/Ishtar was a goddess of *strife* – not of war as in battle but war as in discord. Which was basically because she was the goddess of female traits and characteristics.
>>98139484No shit you fucking retard, magic isn't real(inb4 autists and schizos screech), but you're acknowledging the association women already had with magic, faggot-chan
>>98139825I am sorry you lack basic reading-comprehension.
>>98139904You're the one who thought I was talking about real magic, and then you strengthened my point. Your autism is not my problem
>>98139470>Norse seidr comes from earlier shamanic practices from SiberiaI’d love to see a single source on that. Everything I’ve read on it says that the origin is unclear.>It was seen as feminineThat’s the only assertion being made. Regardless of why it was the case, the fact is that we have histoical belief structures that associate the use of magic with femininity. They weren’t doing it because they were sexless nerds or because they were woke feminists or anything like that—it was simply what they believed. And, since most fantasy draws from myths and folklore, it’s hardly surprising that we’d see such themes crop up.
>>98138826>Look at Dark Souls and Elden Ring. The magic is always female or some feminine force.That really depends on which magic your talking about. >Dark Souls pyromancy was invented by a coven of witches - pretty firmly female oriented>Sorcery is mostly nerdy dudes trying to unravel spacetime with some specific forms of magic being defined as feminine, like moon sorcery >miracles lean very much towards men, between Gwyn's thunder and the Way of the White reps being mostly dudes - again we see some specific miracles attributed to women but the big names are guys usuallyI'm not sure Elden Ring has too much to trace off of for stuff like this but:>dragon spells are just whoever the fuck can kill dragons and claim their hearts, most dragons are dudes I guess?>Marika is responsible for most of the traditionalist miracles so I guess you could say female focused but between Goldmask and the blind guy their present reps in the game are often dudes, plus Marika is Radagon>fire incantations are born out of fire giant magic - masculine >Carian sorcery is a mixed bag; the head of the Carian Academy is a woman and probably the most powerful sorcerer in the game is her daughter Ranni, but there are loads of powerful men too, including two who got so close to some esoteric truth they turned into living crystals >Rot stuff is debatably feminine I guess? It's really not cut and dry.
WaAaaAaAAH Why won't women sleep with me?!!I'm a nice guy!!1!
>>98139935Seidr is practically indistinguishable from shamanism you retard. These people are being taken over by the spirits; the Norns; through altered states of consciousness, soul-flight journeys, spirit helpers, and symbolical tools like the Volva’s staves and chanting. This is likely due to historical contact with indigenous groups in the region, like the Sami. The Norse regularly interacted and traded with the Sami, whose spiritual practices involved classic shamanic techniques. Norse magic absorbed traits from Sami noaidi (shamanic) traditions. Ecstatic states of mind are universal to shamanic traditions worldwide. The movie ‘The Northman’ by Robert Eggers had a pretty accurate scene of a ‘cave witch’ (shaman) having a prophetic, submissive, trance.
>>98138813What game?
>>98140160Who are you quoting, demoralization bot?
>>98138826Seethe. Magic women are trad and a staple in all fantasy and mythology.
>>98138826>The magic is always female or some feminine force.That's because it is.
>>98139484>The oracles were high on drugs all dayt. pussy who has never done psychedelics a single day in his entire life
>>98140405Psychedelics are the pussy drug category though?
>>98140419Let me guess, the drugs you think are 'cool' are the ones where you take them and then turn into an immobile piece of shit for 8 hours until they wear off and you don't even remember anything that happened? Wow, so hardcore and based.
>>98140405It's not necessarily "drugs" exactly but the prevailing theory about the oracle of Apollo at Delphi is that she was suspended directly over an ethylene vent (the "pneuma" or breath of the god mentioned by many authors of antiquity) to cause her to prophesize. By the laws of the sancutary, he priests of Apollo were only permitted to induce her prophetic trance once a month, and Plutarch says the pythia was always exhausted by it at the end and that each ekstasis shortened her life.
>>98140446No, I think psychedelics are cool and use them. They're still not badass hard-core drugs like you're pretending.
>>98138826>women aren't magical>provides irrefutable evidence of women doing a far better job at manifestation than men
>>98140193So, you’re taking incredibly general trend that we see in cultures on every continent and taking that as proof of one culture’s beliefs having descended directly from another’s? Shit, man, that must mean that Norse beliefs came from India because Thor and Indra are analogous.
>>98140473You'd think a board based around playing games that involve reading so much would be less illiterate, but here you are.
>>98138813Same reason sport stories often include female managers or coaches. Writers want to include some female characters, and find the least obviously silly roles for them.
>>98138813>I’ve noticed a trendNo you haven't. You don't read shit and you're making up retarded nonsense to be angry about.
>>98140487Everything stated as a similarity between the Norse and Sami in that post can be found in early Shinto and the beliefs of multiple different Native American groups. It’s basically just a summary of Campbell’s Primitive Mythology.
>>98140419No, I mean that pussies are scared of altered conscious states.
>>98140519>making up retarded nonsense to be angry aboutMaybe he's one of those retards who thinks that anything other than his own biases is the literal end of the world and must be guarded against at all times.Every culture can be a bit that way at times, but the US sure has a lot of it about right now and can't seem to help themselves but try to spread it to the rest of us. I just wish they'd fuck off with it and give us a goddamn break.
>>98138813It always was this way.
>>98141094>Everything stated as a similarity between the Norse and Sami in that post can be found in early Shinto and the beliefs of multiple different Native American groupsYes...? Is this your first time realizing that humans come to the same or similar conclusions? Hermetic alchemy and Taoist alchemy both arrived to nearly identical conclusions as well. Inner/outer alchemy. Concepts like theosis and henosis are pretty much the same despite having barely any linkage. Seidr is most definitely a form of shamanistic logic. It's all rooted back to animism, which is arguably one of humanity's oldest beliefs. That the world, nature itself, etc, is alive. Not everything needs to be packaged neatly into redundant little boxes to the detriment of shared and overlapping essences. There's shamanic elements in Pentecostal Christianity and Buddhism too. Speaking in tongues, Glossolalia, and mediumship are quite identical.
>>98140132According to the lore of Elden Ring women are smarter and could see the moon. The feminine moon btfo the masculine stars. Marika's big gold tree replaced the masculine sun.
>>98138826Its so hot women have something to do while wearing sexy costumes.
>>98142305You misunderstand me. I was complaining that the original poster was so unread as to assume that such universal commonalities implied a lineal relationship between the beliefs.
>>98139470>shamanic practices from Siberia which were male dominatedNowadays in most of Siberia, women are regarded as more naturally powerful shamans.
>>98142506Oh. My bad. Fair enough.
>>98142521Not really. No. Both value equality, and women will take on male aspects, and men will take on female aspects, to balance them out. Frequently men are the ones who resort to combative shamanism. A bit further south, in Mongolia, it's mostly men who are the war-shaman.
>>98138826They hated him because he told the Trvth.
>>98138813Look up IRL Fennoscandian myths around magic-use.
>>98139429Most people here cannot view anything outside of the western politics and their picked team
>>98142400This anon gets it.
>>98142345>According to the lore of Elden Ring women are smarter and could see the moon.Rennala saw the moon and created lunar sorcery, but that just makes her one outstanding sorceress in a line of many, and there are plenty of forms of Sorcery that aren't from the Carian house like the gravity magic which is heavily associated with Radahn (who was holding the end of the world off by himself while he was completely mindless). Plenty of sorceries associated with the Carians don't even have anything to do with Rennala, like Gavel of Haima. >Marika's big gold tree replaced the masculine sun.So? Marika's order being replaced is the entire plot of the game/the player character's quest. That's just one more step in the cycle.
>>98138989>not have the entire cast be a massive sausagefest.>LotR and 40k are insanely successfulMaybe... don't worry about it.
>>98138989Imagine being such a coombrain that you see a group of men and instantly think about gay sex.
>>98140473>Shit, man, that must mean that Norse beliefs came from India because Thor and Indra are analogous.There's also the fact both cultures have Swastika symbols. And one of them is characterized as being very efficient and far reaching sailors. The other has a history of being invaded, by blond strangers.
>>98138826>They almost always assume women are superior magic usersWhat about a world where women think they're superior and their subsequent monopoly on magic actually ruined the balance of the universe so badly for three thousand years that God had to deploy a Gigachad male magic user to fix all the shit they broke?Wheel of Time.
>>98138813Maybe we just aren't massive cock-sucking cum-guzzling shitdick faggots who can only think of men. Y'know, since that's your thing, OP.
>>98139637>>98139494Athena as war goddess was partially the result of Athens gaslighting everybody who came along centuries later and only had majority Athenian literature to go off (her original form is wisdom and helper to heroes, the goddess of cities, but she was much less relevant before the rise of Athens, Mycenaeans didn't have much to do with her for example). Ares outside of Athens, meanwhile, was a very widely known and venerated god, of oaths and justice/retribution as well as war. Even in Athens, Ares was still their chief oath god, and anybody who was going to be a soldier of the city had to swear the ephebic oath in his name.
>>98138813>yuo are le simp for making women good mages kr roguesOr I'm trying to find things for female characters to do that aren't ridiculous, like wielding a two handed weapon in full plate knee deep in sewer water.>>98138826All /pol/tards are prison gay.
>>98138826>>98138823>>98138813Kys samefag
>>98139590It usually scales off intelligence, so no.
>>98143910That anon didn't mention sex at all.
>>98138813Meanwhile, Lovecraft>Her crowning rage, however, was that she was not a man; since she believed a male brain had certain unique and far-reaching cosmic powers. Given a man’s brain, she declared, she could not only equal but surpass her father in mastery of unknown forces.The Thing on the Doorstep, a story about a sorcerous woman trying to plant her consciousness in the brain of her husband because men are canonically better at magic in the Mythos.
>>98144252Lovecraft in general didn't have the same sensibilities regarding women as other authors did(because he was basically asexual) so his stories rarely featured the common trope of the horrible monster and the damsel in distress.Instead, funnily enough, he found the opposite more disgusting, of a man willingly tainting his own bloodline. A woman getting ravaged by a monster is one thing, but a man willingly embracing one for the pursuit of power, willingly tainting his own humanity, is arguably worse.
>>98138813>I’ve noticed a trendYou've played games made by one single developer and has been vomiting your butthurt nonsense for months ever since.
Objectively speaking, big beard old man male wizard has ten times the aura a sexy woman in robes does, and that's a FACT
>>98138826What about Warhammer, where the top 3 greatest wizards(other than the genderless frog people) are men, and where the god of magic is male? What about Star Wars, where the strongest Force wielders(space wizards) from both the light and dark side are almost always male, and where the embodiment of the Force itself is a man(the Father)? What about the OTHER Warhammer, where the greatest Psykers are, again, almost always male? What about Lord of the Rings? What about Dragonlance? You're kinda being a tad selective here for some reason, and that reason is weird culture war shit.
hey wait a minute we already had this thread last month. literally the exact same fucking thread. fuck off. if I wanted endless reruns I'd watch TV.
>>98138813You made this exact same thread word for word like 2 months ago. I remember clearly
>I’ve noticed a trend of men who write fantasy to interpret their fiction as female oriented, like magic being female, or women being better spellcasters, or amazing female warriors, because they’re just that into womenYou say you have noticed it as a thrend?What examples do you have of this being a trend. I view, read, and play a ton of fantasy content and all I can think of are a few highly isolated examples that are few and far between that fit what you are talking about. Such a smattering is not a trend. So unless I am wholly unaware of some large chunk of hidden fantasy works I am highly doubtful of OP's claim or that it's in anyway a trend nor was ever a trend. tl;dr Prove it nigga.
>>98144252Was there an -ism that lovecraft wasn't?
>>98139429And shamans, medicin men, moracals, occultist, and the vast majority of every other sort of mage like or magical thinking related person throughout most of history in most of the world over were men. This isn't the slam dunk you seem to think it is if we start getting history involved.
>>98139264>Think about it, have you seen any recent fantasy story where women get hideously mutilated or mangled on-screen?I don't watch TV, more into books. And in books very much so. For example in The Way of Shadows which I listened to the audiobook of like a month ago, not only were women in general brutalized just as badly as men, but one little girl of particular ongoing plot importance was disfigured in painful gruesome detail. And it wasn't the kind of story where a wave of the hands or whatever can fix that level of damage. She spend the rest of the story disfigured after just barely surviving. Though it wouldn't surprise me if film is more sanitized around such sensibilities given the ideology of people in mainstream media.
>>98139429The word magic comes from magi, the all-male priestly class of ancient persia.
>>98138813Said it before, will say it again.Get ye henjce with your Gardnerian Wicca Woo-oo, you pocahontas larping niggerfaggot.
>>98139386I mean the Sisters of Silence are primarily close-combat fighters.
>>98144181>Athena as war goddess was partially the result of Athens gaslighting everybodyOf course, yeah, it's exactly the same as every Mesopotamian city declaring that their particular tutelary god was the god of everything cool. It doesn't reflect any ideas outside of that city.
>>98144198>Or I'm trying to find things for female characters to do that aren't ridiculous, like wielding a two handed weapon in full plate knee deep in sewer water.That's still simping. What female characters can do that isn't ridicuous is wear slutty outfits and pose sexily in them, and some interpersonal conniving stuff when the adventure ends up in civilization.
Women being spellcasters is the only feasible way to actually make them useful and active in combat, funny enough it takes literal magic to make it convincing huh
>>98139243>Who is Blackstaff?Pic related.Perhaps it is you who lusts for the black staff, if you discern my meaning.
>>98138813>I’ve noticed a trendAm I the only one itt that realizes not all trends are popular trends?
>>98138813>>/lit/
>>98145210The history of Wicca is hilarious. Women think it’s some ancient religion when it was really invented just over a hundred years ago by a horny old man lmao…
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>>98138813Magic "being female" is just like hurricanes getting female names - it's fundamentally fickle, unpredictable, and destructive force.
>>98146000Yeah, female names like..... harvey
>>98141608Men sucking up to women or using them to get at other men without it having any philosophical depth whatsoever? Absolutely. And it will forever be that way.
>>98142305>both arrived to nearly identical conclusionsnot from separate departure points.
>hmm, I'll put sexy women in my setting>"see, the fantasy is female this means the writer is an incel simp"Are you people this fucking joyless?
>>98138826Holy american education.Women and sorcery go way back, muttoid.Your ilk burned them at the stake for that a lot, called them WITCHES, you dumb fuck.To turn the idea that women are witches into some gay culture war sloppa is extremely pathetic. That's not even mentioning the female role in vodoo or shinto. Utter retard.
>>98146033Harvey actually is technically a gender neutral name, though yes its more male leaning than female leaning. There are lots of women named Harvey, including my grandmother.
>>98146309>doesn't know who instituted it yetyou have yet to know true obscenity, snowflake
>>98146309Talk like a normal person you fucking faggot.
>>98146309>Women and sorcery go way back, muttoidIt goes just as far back as men and magic, you effeminate Eurocuck. >ShintoBecame dominated over time by men as a consciences of Buddhism and Confucianism. Of course men advance magic more than women. Like they advance literally everything else.
>>98146480as a consequence*But the collective sub-consciences of culture work too. Men have always been seen as goodly sages while women are typically seen as wicked dabblers.
Magic is effeminate and gay.
>>98146532Magic is masculine. It’s where scientific progress comes from. The cutting edge.
Is it just the wizards that are gay? Is it the weave in general? Are Paladins gay for smiting?
>>98146693>Magic is masculine.Wearing robes and practicing magic spells with a bunch of other men wearing robes is fucking queer and AGP tier.>It’s where scientific progress comes from. That's gay too.
>>98146759What isn't gay then? Being retarded?
>>98146309There were more men burnt in Salem than women.Witch is a gender neutral term. Dumb fuck.
>>98146778Not practicing satanic black magic.
>>98146800Satan isn't real, and christianity is SUPER gay.I mean c'mon, the church is the bride of christ? Super faggy.
>>98146813You don't get it. It's super straight and manly to wash another guys feet and kiss your bros
>>98146813>>98146843>t GAPED subhuman
>>98146309Pop-culture understanding of witchcraft and the witch trials.Witch wasnt a gendered term until disney made it so. The new childish obsession of feminists with witches comes not from reality but imagined historical opression.
>>98145822the funny thing is that you can actually learn a bit about authentic historically practiced folk magic by just reading old folklorist accountsspeaking of>>98146309ackshyually witchcraft was a male thing toosomething a lot of people in current year don't seem to realize is that society as a whole tended to practice magic in some form or another, and held a clear cultural distinction between this and the bad stuff used to harm others (i.e. witchcraft): they'd keep a crucifix (likely made of wicken/rowan/mountain ash wood for its apotropaic properties) with all their other charms and see no contradiction in it, nor in consulting both the village pastor and local cunning man/woman for advice depending on whose skillset fits the situation bestmost of it can be summarized as:>protective charms>counters against witchcraft and malevolent spirits (largely overlapping with the previous category)>various remedies for various problems>a few bits of divinationplus the occasional fun one, like disembowelling a live pigeon and hanging the entrails over your front door
>>98148403>most of it can be summarized as:to clarify, I meant most of what I've read from my local area
>>98138813ugh
>>98147978>Witch wasnt a gendered term until disney made it soDæmonologie by James VI has it as gender neutral. But purports that women are more likely to truck with the Devil, thus becoming witches.
>>98139243>>98139447OP literally specified >men who write fantasyYou retards should look up who wrote harry potter
>>98149700Well, Elminster was written by Ed Greenwood, Gandalf by Tolkien, Merlin's not a female intervention either...most of the prominent male magic-users in fiction are written by men, really. In regards to Ed Greenwood and Elminster, specifically, I think some people ITT seem to misunderstand the point of the goddess of magic being a woman. It's not that women are better and more magical. It's that you can fuck her. It's that if you're an awesome enough (male) wizard, the actual embodiment of magic might fall in love with you and hop on your dick. It's a male sexual and power fantasy, that's all.
>>98138813Like fucking what imbecile? You couldn't name an example? The go-to example I can think of would be Wheel of Time, which is implicitly about how women would ruin civilization if they were ever granted power--and even then the men who can do magic are stronger than the women anyway.
>>98149767Most gods of magic in mythology were male tho. Thoth, Odin, Enki, Hermes, Marduk, arguably Yahweh.
>>98149802And that's relevant to Elminster fucking Mystra because...?
>>98149767Mystra is based on his mother, who he lost at a young age. There's a reason his self insert calls her "mother to us all" even though they aren't remotely related.
>>98146309We didn't burn them, retard. The witches at Salem were hanged or crushed with weights.That said they deserved it. New World "witchcraft" was just drug abuse. The Vatican actually studied it later, Jimson weed. Many accounts of witchcraft were actually people getting blasted off of nightshade.
>>98148403>ackshyually witchcraft was a male thing tooI never denied that. But A female bond with the devil was still something else. OP is trying to argue that women+magic is a modern thing but it is not.Women throughout history and cultures have been ascribed (negative or positive) exclusive connections to the supernatural.
>>98147978>Witch wasnt a gendered term until disney made it soImagine being such a culture war slopper that you actually believe this.
Most witches were women. Some were men.>>98149849>>98148403When did 4channers become so retarded?
>>98149849You could've at least highlighted the whole sentence, and then taken a moment to reflect on what a term being gendered means.
>>98149849Are you legitimately retarded?
>>98149841Again, this is entirely selective bias. There were plenty of cultures that viewed males as more in-line with the spiritual, cosmic or supernatural than women. The Egyptians, the Persians, the Babylonians, and a lot of other cultures had both men and women be equal in that regard, like the Romans or the Greeks.>but those are all Western cultures, what about Eastern onesI never think about them. I wouldn't know.
>>98144286>What about Warhammergive it 10 more years for newest lore updates
>>98138813So uhhh...how does that reflect your current fantasy game?
>>98145554>let's just kill off Khelben and replace him with a strong independent black woman who don't need no man>good idea, the black staff being a white man was clearly white supremacy to begin withWho let that guy who keeps posting "have you tried not playing D&D?" write the 5e D&D lore?
>>98138813>I’ve noticed a trend of men (...) because they’re just that into womenYes faggot, men who aren't gay faggot trannies like you are into women
>>98146187Using women as magic or supernatural beings.
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>>98138823>wheel of time is JapaneseYou learn something new every day
