Endurance Edition>Bans (New)https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-may-18-2026>NewsThe Pro Tour and Magic Spotlight Series in 2026:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-pro-tour-and-magic-spotlight-series-in-2026Metagame Mentor: The Final Four Standard Regional Championships of Early 2026:https://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-final-four-standard-regional-championships-of-early-2026>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>98126865>TQIf you could reprint one card to the ground without having to worry about Standard legality or the reserved list, which would it be and why?
>>98139316Sol ring. It shouldn't be above 20 cents, it's basically a basic land at this point in edh.
>>98139405it already is dirt cheap from being reprinted to the ground, and it's a shit stupid card that shouldn't be included in edh or any other format
>>98139454You can't buy it for under a dollar.
>>98139316>spend $40 on endurance >gets reprinted in the precon
>>98139109My Kids really like MTG. I have a handful of older decks that they fiddle around with, but I'd like to have some more disposable ones worth less money they can play on.I'll take a board game recommendation if you have it too though.
>>981395301. I went on MCM just now and there were dozens of copies for sale for 50 cents or less and2. even if there weren't, complaining about a fucking ONE DOLLAR card that you need one copy of, that comes in every single motherfucking EDH precon ever, is absolutely peak retarded. Complain about cards that cost something. A dollar is practically free.
>>98139316>If you could reprint one card to the ground without having to worry about Standard legality or the reserved list, which would it be and why?Having to pick just one is bullshit, there's thousands that need that treatment. That said, I pick Gaea's Cradle. Any card being so expensive that even its proxies are 300 dollars is horseshit.
>>98139316>TQAny of the original dual lands. The fact that someone has to spend hundreds just for a land is insane
>>98139720Actually why hasn't this one been reprinted yet?
>>98139316Phyrexian dreadnought for pre modern shit is so insanely expensive it makes me want to chop my dick off and be a girl.
>>98139763Both are a scam, don't fall for it.
Honestly it feels pretty good taking the entirety of 2026 offI'm catching up on other gamesI'm catching up on sets I missed out on I'm actually meaningfully organizing my collectionI'm half hoping 2027 shits the bed too.
>>98139763>pre modern player>wants to chop his dick off and become a girlThis format is never beating the allegations.
>>98139762I'm not an expert on boomer formats, but isn't that card disgustingly strongLike, way way way too good, on par with Tolarian Academy and that kind of shit?
>>98139885It is strong, but strength doesn't matter when it comes being reprinted or not(e.g. Mana Crypt). If anything, it being strong is more of a reason to reprint it since people will want it but don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for it
>>98139762reserved list>>98139885>isn't that card disgustingly strongit's pretty strong but not nearly as metawarping as other cards seeing play right now
Marvel spoilers start tomorrow right? I'm so dang excited.
>>98140205>I'm so dang excited.me too
>>98140222could be worsecan't expect wizards to do the right thing and get gurihiru to draw all of the women
>token creature spamOnly villains do that.
>>98140222>>98140246SO FUCKING EXCITEDI CANT WAIT BROS
>>98140246>two different 3/3 robot tokens
>>98140205I'm only looking forward for only one possible card, and even then, I don't have high hopes at all
Did you guys know the marvel slop movies were funded by the feds using your tax dollars? Everything is a psy op now yaaay!
>>98139699This reminds me of a thought experiment I had about 7 years ago where I wondered what, if any, card could be the “universal unit of account” for the values of other cards, sort of a way of pegging the values of other cards to a basic unit. I suppose to commander players it would be sol ring, but I always thought it should be lightning bolt if such a thing were possible.
>>98140222Can't wait for this s l - o - p>>98140246A villain is not an outlaw>>98138248>commanderyes>comboyes>triggered on tokensyes>triggered for each creatureyes>>98138299they need to signal or else might be targeted by the weirdos>>98138622If his lover was a femboy I would 100% support Ral's gayness>>98138641This>>98139065I like this nu lorwyn goblin.
>>98140205>>98140222Is this irony? Do people really? The crossover bullshit has ruined the brand.
>>98140543It's like people saying they like SNC or Eldraine, they just started playing after there was a reference point for good sets
>>98140533>>commander>yes>>combo>yes>>triggered on tokens>yes>>triggered for each creature>yesDo people play it in Modern for instance?
>>98140599>Do people play it in Modern for instance?nopeit saw a little bit of play in pioneer in the green devotion deck but that was like 3 years ago, the deck has completely moved past itit's pretty much a commander card
gonna go play Modern tonightstore had like 50% more players show up for it since the bans
>>98140983good luck anonwhat are you playing?
not him but I'm going to play Eldrazi Tron slop tonight
He seems like a nice boy.
>Yes>Well>Quite
>>98140246Oh, boo, they're not using one of the good Carol designs. I think her current design in the comics is great and they never use it anywhere else.
>>98141125What's this from? I'm interested in learning more about Calix
>>98141174The Elspeth comics that are very slowly coming out from Dark Horse. They're also doing a Jace comic that only has one issue out. So far I don't care much for the Jace comic, the Elspeth one is neat but you can tell they're condensing a bit too much story into comic form.
Can we just jump straight to Fracture Reality? The slip incoming seems too terrible.
>>98141174Ongoing Elspeth comic. Basically adapts her arc from Theros Beyond Death which was never actually published with the set release. Doesn't actually have much page space spent on characterizing Calix, but as you probably know there's basically nothing else out there.
>>98139885It's significantly worse than Academy but probably a little better than Serra's Sanctum (though historically it has been much better).Academy is better because:>Makes U and not GThis is a big one given how the best spells in the game are black but the second best are blue.>Artifacts are harder to remove than CreaturesCradle becomes useless after a boardwipe which is usually helpful for the average control gameplan anyway. Mass artifact removal is much less common in main decks and even in sideboards.>There are far more 0 cost artifacts than 0 cost creaturesYou can get a retarded amount of mana turn 1 in Vintage with a couple of mox and an academy. Cradle is slower.Both cards are nice because they also encourage cheap permanents that ALSO ramp (BoP/Elves vs Moxen and cheap mana rocks). Sanctum has hard to remove permanents but there are fewer powerful 1drops that let you storm out a bunch of enchantments turn 1.
>>98140995Always Titan. Bans not gonna keep me down.
>>98141130Elspeth is a nice girl, and also anime.
>>98141314>the best spells in the game are black but the second best are blueI never thought about this, but if I had to pick I would almost always want unlimited U mana simply because of extra turn fuckery + control options + insane filtering/card selection + card draw with no drawbacksBut I guess B has more ways to straight up kill the other player, and better tutors as wellI would guess R is a solid second/third place while G is a clear cut last place?
>>98140574I really like Scars of Mirrodin. Was that a good set in your anonymous opinion?
>>98141398not him but Scars block was cool, I remember going to prerelease of besieged and I think it was the first "Faction" prerelease: you would choose either Mirran or Phyrexian and get a few boosters from that faction instead of some of the normal boosters.
>>98140983>store had like 50% more players show up for it since the bansDid I accidentally pick a good time to come back to the format?
>>98141445that's probably still up for debate, specially with a new set around the corner
>>98141398marvel-tier art
>>98141445format was already pretty good before the bans. if you have an active local scene it should be worthwhile.
>>98140222>have sexy design for squirrel girl thanks to marvel rivals>commission some manfaced el abominacionsasuga jotc
>>98141657>>98140222I looked closer and what the fuck is that face
>>98139852Confusing premodern with commander. /edhg/ is on "pride month edition" as I type this, if you ever had any doubt.
>>98140222So is her typeline gonna be Human Squirrel? I don't mean to complain but that sounds fucking weird. It conjures up images of squirrels with human teeth.
>>98141682>So is her typeline gonna be Human Squirrel?she's most definitely going to be a Hero too
Emma Frost where
>>98141704In the X-Men set.
>>98141682She's legally not a mutant in Marvel, but she's just sort of born that way, so I guess she has to be Human Squirrel like how Spider-Man was Human Spider.
>>98140205>Marvel spoilers start tomorrow right?STOP ASKING QUESTIONSJUST CONSUME PRODUCTTHEN GET EXCITED FOR NEXT PRODUCT
I'm just waiting for the next set that scalpers blow up like Final Fantasy that will make EV so high I can cash in my Arena points for a couple thousand dollars worth of boxes.If that's Marvel, then so be it.
>threads basically deadTruly WOTC has driven all interest away
>>98141849>He doesn't know
>>98142223Not really. EDH is better than ever.
>>98142271Yep as a side effect Magic died
>>98142394Magic is dead, long live Magic.
>>98142223This thread can't be dead! Didn't you hear? "Standard continues to churn, and new decks are finding their way to success with each tournament," so that must mean there are a myriad of decks to play in standard!
https://mtgtop8.com/event?e=85918&d=852531&f=PIit's not much but I do enjoy digging for pioneer decklists every once in a while, this guy is playing merfolk which isn't that unusual but he's playing the new tribal GSZ from ECL and I'm like, yeah, I guess that works doesn't it?
Man I hope pioneer picks up in popularity
>>98143119samemodern is too degenerate now that its MH block constructed, but standard is perpetually ass and pauper can be fun but you miss out on lots of cool cardsit helps for me that almost all the sets I like the most made the cut-off. pretty much just time spiral + lorwyn/shadowmoor + innistrad blocks that didn't make it in pioneer
3-0 FNM with Titandeck's great I'm great games were great
>>98143183All the retards crying that Titan was going to be made unplayable because of the Lotus Field ban are retarded and gay
>>98143202>All the retards crying that Titan was going to be made unplayablewhere did you read/hear this? because th unanimous response to the lotus ban from everyone I know was that it made the deck a bit more convoluted to win with, that's all, nobody even brought up the possibility the deck might underperform because of it
>>98143119was there some kind of Pioneer announcement?
>>98143215I had RCQ grinders locally sell out of the deck the moment the banlist was announced, so I could just be in a retarded bubble
>>98143230they commented recently that pioneer is being planned as part of the competitive season in 2027 this does not guarantee anything since plans can always change at the last minute but given the last pioneer pro tour was when fucking MKM came out, people are starving for any little update
He's not a Monk, so get fucked Monk guy.
>>98143242huh so do I buy into a paper Pioneer deck now or is this all going to be Arena shit?
Missing the time before UB was forced into Standard when I would spend hours on the Chan shitposting about how hot Sheoldred was
>>98143255there's definitely some bullshit you can pull off with this, specially in mono green >>98143261>huh so do I buy into a paper Pioneer deck now or is this all going to be Arena shit?that's the issue, there is no real way to know at the moment, I don't think they would've mentioned it publicly if it was Arena-only but that's a real possibility
>>98143255Tyvar's passive on a 2 mana creature is insane, this will be very useful in a ton of decks.
I'm going to the largest pauper tournament in America are you /mtg/?
>>98143255>mono-green card>nothing but redThey never really learned from the Jaws Secret Lair, huh?
Thanos is RWB.
>>98143473Guess they're saving the inevitable 5 color Thanos for the Commander Precon
>>98143441Both of those abilities are green.
>>98143521I want you to look at this card and then read anon's post again and then think extra hard about what he actually meant
>>98143535I prefer to give Anon the benefit of doubt and assume he isn't one of the non-functional retards who had a problem with this.
>>98143473Deathouch. Power Up - 6 Mana: Put Two +1/+1 counters on Thanos, The Mad Titan. Choose Odd or Even. Destroy each other creature of the chosen quality.
>>98143549It's true that I don't have a problem with it. I'm just saying it's weird that it's the second time they did something like it, design-wise
I quit arena for mtgo today
>>98139720>300$ for a proxie.It's your fault for getting assfucked by Chinks, lmao. Either use credible and fair printing place or make your own proxy.
>>98141314>the best spells in the game are black but the second best are blueBait or newfag
>>98143441The problem is that they're using existing comic book artwork that naturally wanted to use lots of red since that's his signature color, which obviously clashes with Magic: The Gathering for some reason deciding to make him fucking green. His normal artwork will presumably have more green in it, even if it's just the background.
>>98140246Is that Spider-Girl under whoever Giant-Man is fighting? Surprised we're getting Spider-People other than Spider-Man himself. And who is Giant-Man fighting anyway?
>>98144230That's the Julia Carpenter Spider-Woman aka Arachne, not Spider-Girl. She was an Avenger once upon a time so I guess that's why she's here. Giant-Man is probably fighting some weird form of Ultron from some obscure comic or something. Keep in mind that he created Ultron in the comics, not Tony Stark.
>>98143131>modern is now MH block constructedI keep hearing this but does that make it true?
What's worse, WOTC, or scalpers/speculators?
>>98144467Scalpers keep WotC afloat even though it should have crash and burn
>>98144472I thought that was Commander players
>>98143255Insanely undercosted
>>98140205>>98140222>>98141657SGhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJjPghZ3jX4
>>9814451720-50 eurodollars minimum
>>98144517Only 1 more cmc than a 20 year old version. And 1 coloured = 2 generic
It amuses me. Error 404: Dack Fayden not found.
Here's Scott Lang, I think. Does he really count as a Scientist? Seems more Hank Pym's thing.
And the full Thanos text box. That sure is The Snap. I know he DID do the Snap in the comics but the framing of this one is more MCU-y.
>>98144687Ah the iconic antman power to turn his own body into a swarm of ants
>>98144689OH SNAP!
>>98144690The idea is he's shrinking down, and then coming back up with a swarm of ants he's also made bigger, I think.
>>98144689>4/4 for 3 mana just because
>>98144689Is that a new W symbol?
>>98144695I know, but giving him a Chromium like ability would have been much better
>>98144698No, you're just viewing it at ant size.
>>98144709They'll probably give that to a Hank Pym Ant-Man. Or just let him shrink/grow things with an activated ability.
>>98144715Or more likely Hank will be Giant-Man, I think that was teased.
>>98144696Didn't save Savadge Knuckleblade
>>98144687Since the scientist type is there I think you can assume it's Pym and not Lang.
>not a monk, a "warrior hero">mana dork>shitty mana dork at thatI could not be more disappointed. The quest for a monk lord continues.
>>98144762>>not a monkWtf
>>98143255I didn't see someone had already posted this, so now I'm disappointed AND I look like a fuckface.Side note, is the wording on that weird to anyone else? "Abilities of creature sources"?
>>98144781Yeh, just abilities of creatures, not creature sources
>>98144762https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hls3J-ERds
>>98144791>tfw no Linvala gf
>>98144689I hate to say this but Thanos is probably playable somewhere (outside of EDH). 3 mana for a 4/4 lad with two good keywords or 6 mana for a 6/6 with somewhat targeted removal.
>>98144689I kinda like it. But still won't play it.
>>98144762What part of this card screams "kung fu master"? He has no combat tricks, his activated ability only helps other creatures, I'm pretty fucking sure there are old women that are stronger than him. Bravo wizards, you lazy fucks. Literally just had a card in the pipe, slapped a name and art on it, and went on your merry way. I am surprised, thought he'd be a better card to appeal to the chinese market they're constantly appeasing.
"B-B-Back in my days...." *cough cough* "T-Three mana 4/4s c-came with d-downsid-ack!" *beeeeeeeeeeeeeeep*
>>98144829Picrel is the first 3 mana 4/4 with straight upsides, which is funny considering I have fond memories of playing him
>>98144829Awww poor craig :(
>>98144762>master of kung fu>dies in combat to thisLol, chinks and kung fu btfo forever
based squirrels anon
>>98144791add Living Plane to Linvala for a spicy lockdown
>>98144863He just hasn't been the same since Marvel lost the rights to his father
Is just me or every single Marvel card showed for now seems completely soulless?
>>98144762Why would he be a Monk? Warrior makes sense to me. Shang-Chi is a martial artist, that doesn't make him a Monk. Was he a monk in the comics?
>>98144944Many Mtg monks are the D&D-esque "mystical martial artist" interpretation of the term
>>98144878Thanks I hate it
>of the open fist>fists are closed
>>98144944No, he was a spy doing James Bond shit to take down the criminal empire of his father, Fu Manchu.
>>98144863Leeches are the apex predator of Asians. Just go to NYC and see.
>>98144944'Warrior' almost always implies weapons, armor, and militaristic training. 'Monk' is the established archetype for unarmed fighters, martial artists, and characters who channel chi. The term Monk was used in D&D originally as a nod to Shaolin Monks, aka, kung fu men.Thematically, Shang-Chi fits the Monk archetype more so than Warrior. First, he hasn't fought in any fucking wars. He isn't a soldier or a mercenary. He was raised in an isolated, ascetic environment, mastering his chi and focusing on internal discipline and kung fu mastery. If a character fights with flying kicks, martial arts stances, and chi rather than a broadsword and shield, they should be typed as a Monk.This was also a gripe I had about the street fighter cards, but Ryu was the "world warrior" so he had to be a fucking warrior because fuck this game.
>>98144929Every single Magic card showed for several years seems completely soulless.
>>98145018It's clear that for UB characters, they'd rather use Warrior for martial artists instead of Monk. The only exception is Final Fantasy because that one also uses the term Monk for martial artists since it's also indirectly inspired by DnD.
dead threaddead game
>>98145113#079
>>98145018Ryu isn't a monk though. Like what god or religious system is he a part of?Same with Shang Chi, I don't think he's got a big buddhism thing going on does he?Monk is a word with meaning. That meaning isnt "unarmed fighter", it's a member of a religious order. D&D monks fit this niche. You couldn't just make Katara a cleric just because she heals people
>>98145113The negative hype is good, so maro can get it up his arrogant ass that nobody even non players wanted this shit
>>98145113
>>98145140Maro has little to say.
>>98145173Still complete disdain and ignoring this shitshow is the worst a corporate product like this can happen too
>>98145113not making it so it gets +0/1 on draw (grow) and pay to make flip the toughness into power (shrink)this set is ass
>>98145175It's his job. If you hated Marvel you wouldn't be negative about it if you wanted to keep your job.
>>98145186A good manager will confront clients and tell them the product will underperfom instead of smoke and mirror green line
>>98144675>Error 404: Dack FaydenKWAB
>>98145213He is not the top dog you think it is. How many people are above him on the food chain? Forsythe comes to mind.
>>98145137Yea, Katara isn't a cleric, I won't argue that actions dictate class. Power source dictates class. Katara's power source is elemental rather than divine, so cleric doesn't make sense. A Warrior's power source is martial training and weaponry. Shang-Chi and Ryu's power source is spiritual discipline and internal energy. That makes them Monks. Wandering the earth in a gi, rejecting material wealth, meditating, and seeking total spiritual and physical perfection is the textbook definition of an ascetic monk.Is your argument that all martial artists, (despite their philosophical focus) must have some kind of deity they worship to be a Monk?
>>98145137Barehanded fighter = Monk in fantasy.
>>98145213You have the game being desperate for new slop eating pigs and some company giving you license to use their IPs to lure in new piggers.You'd take that deal even if it would underperform because you're not really losing much in terms of money and neither is the IP holder.Even if a box is sold at $100, wotc still makes around $50+ on profit before all other expenses since the production of a single box might come out around $20ish while producing in huge bulks.And in the end, who is taking the fall? The game stores trying to sell it, not wotc.
>>98144846This guy was cool in modern, back when Lilliana was playable and control/tempo decks had small creatures
>>98144944>Martial artists are warriorsThis is a real life distinction made hundreds of years ago. It's the difference between Jutsu and Do. Jutsu (Science/Technique): This is the Warrior's path. Kenjutsu (sword technique) or original Jujutsu (yielding technique) were developed strictly for the battlefield. The only goal was to disarm, maim, or kill an armored samurai as efficiently as possible. There were no rules, no honor codes, just survival.Do (The Way/Path): This is the Martial Artist (Monk's) path. When times of war ended, these deadly techniques evolved into Budo (the martial way). Kenjutsu became Kendo; Jujutsu gave birth to Judo (and eventually BJJ); Karate-jutsu became Karate-do. The suffix -do fundamentally changes the objective. The goal shifts from killing an opponent to conquering yourself. A martial artist practicing a -do art isn't just doing reps to be a lethal weapon; they are pursuing Zen-like aesthetic perfection and seeking the "ultimate truth" of their own physical and mental limits.This is why Shang-Chi or Ryu are Monks. They aren't soldiers looking for the most efficient way to kill (otherwise they'd just carry assault rifles). They are martial artists participating in "Budo", using their bodies and internal chi to achieve a higher state of existence.
>>98145137>it's a member of a religious orderHow does that differ from a cleric?>D&D monks fit this nicheBeing part of a religious order is not and has never been a prerequisite for being a Monk in D&D
>>98145257Before the movie he didn't do any mystical chi bullshit, that was left to Iron Fist. Shang-Chi is just a normal human guy who is trained fight really well.
>>98144751The art is Scott Lang's first appearance, and he usually has the eptithet of "Astonishing". And Hank is usually Giant-Man these days.
>>98145243then he should stop advertising himself as LEAD designer, he will never have Garfield's status and legacy
>>98145304I know he's supposed to be Asian but that coloring is ridiculous
>>98145269This isn't true. Name a barehanded fighter who isn't part of a religious order that's referred to as a monk in a popular fantasy novel or videogame or whatever
>>98145313Shang-Chi in early appearances was very, uh... Questionable.
>>98143939how much are you putting into your MTGO account to start?I wish I did MTGO but with infinite MTGA resources it's hard going over and spending $200 on a single deck
>>98145298>is not and has never been a prerequisite for being a MonkYes it is? In earlier editions you have to beat up higher level monks in your order to advance. Most MtG monks have their religious order directly stated on the card, or have an order you can easily guess by context (Jeskai, for example).
>>98145322Most Final Fantasy monks. Sometimes they're loosely part of a group, but the groups aren't usually religious in nature.
>>98145257>must have some kind of deity they worship to be a Monk?No, they have to be part of a monastic order. That's what makes someone a monk. Anyone who isn't part of such an order isn't a monk.
>>98145304I do wonder if Iron Fist will be a Monk then. He feels closer, but then again Danny is explicitly not a very good pick for the mystical aspects, he's just a good fighter. That's assuming he even gets a card (Heroes For Hire is a card so he'll at least be in that, but that'll probably just be Human Hero if it's a creature).
>>98145326>spending $200 on a single deckif price is your problem, you can start with pioneer, there's a bunch of good decks in the $40 price range
>>98145311He is the lead designer. Not on every set, but in general. You can shit on him for card designs, how every card is designed for commander, how there are so many shit legendary cards unplayable anywhere but in commander, companions etc. etc.But he has nothing to say about UB being the thing.
>>98145322https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Monk_(job)
>>98145329Is that true? Monks in XIV are part of a monastic order, and the original Final Fantasy has monks ascend to the level of master (implying membership in an order). I haven't played any others with monks in them
>>98145257Speaking of which why is Katara a Warrior in all her solo cards? She isn't an armed or armored fighter. Cleric and Wizard would also be kinda off, but there was no reason she couldn't just be a Human Ally.
>>98145322Pathfinder monks are not necessarily tied to any religion or deity, not more than any other class at least
>>98145348Almost all of the examples on this page have a monastic order either directly stated or impliedFor the ones that don't, Wizards has a higher responsibility to reality and cultural sensitivity than the japanese. Falsely labeling unarmed fighters with no monastic background as monks is worse than the Shaman type, recently purged from the game.
>>98145343I could make my Pioneer deck for 100tix after cutting the sideboard Quantum Riddler (lol that price).unfortunately my Legacy deck is 480tix so I think I just missed the boat on MTGO
>>98145380Bruh they're right there in matching uniforms. They're literally in a monastic order
>>98145322If you actually read the 5e Player's Handbook for the Monk class, it explicitly says: 'Not all monks live in monasteries. Some monks learn their skills from a single master or in a small dojo...' Subclasses like the Way of the Drunken Master or street brawling Monks are canonically recognized without any ties to religion.
>>98145373Because wizards is shit and puts so little thought into creature typing.
>>98145389>Bruh they're right there in matching uniforms. They're literally in a monastic order
>>98145389Some of the subclasses like Brazen Disciple and Hellcats live in monasteries and jack off all day meditating to their chosen divinity, while subclasses like Black Asps and Water Dancers are more closely tied to disciplines that are passed down only to members of a certain group (not tied to any specific religious ideals). Sorta like a secretive conclave of wizards who only teach their spells to their own disciples, there's nothing inherently religious about it
>>98145383OK, so you're just memeing. Last (You) for this thread but it's been fun.
>>98145403>Some monks learn their skills from a single master or in a small dojo...These all imply membership in a monastic order>>98145416These are all monk uniformsMonk literally means "member of a monastic order". If you aren't a monk you shouldn't have a monk creature type. To do otherwise is culturally insensitive and inaccurate. Shang Chi should not be a monk
>>98145335You are abandoning the context of fantasy and gaming to hide behind the dictionary. If we apply your strict historical logic to the rest of the genre, the entire system collapses.Paladin: Historically, this exclusively meant one of the twelve peers of Charlemagne's 8th-century court. So by your logic, unless a character serves an ancient Frankish king, they aren't a Paladin.Barbarian: The literal definition is just anyone who isn't Greek or Roman.Ranger: A groundskeeper for a park or forest.When a player says, 'I'm playing the Tank,' do you reply, 'No, a tank is a heavily armored combat vehicle with continuous tracks and a cannon. A human being cannot be a tank'?'Monk' in fantasy, RPGs, and card games is an established mechanical archetype, not a religious tax bracket. It groups unarmed, unarmored martial artists who rely on chi, ki, or prowess into a single category. You can cling to the European, real-world definition of the word, but it doesn't change 50 years of established pop-culture taxonomy.
>>98145421>that are passed down only to members of a certain groupLike, a monastic order? You're just digging your own grave here. People keep posting further evidence that the monk type should imply one is a monk and not simply an unarmed martial artist.It also brings into question monks who very much do use a weapon. Many monk cards are not unarmed fighters, so should they not have the monk type?
>>98145427>>Some monks learn their skills from a single master or in a small dojo...>These all imply membership in a monastic orderNigger a dojo is not a monastic order, it's a training ground. The karate stripmall around the corner isn't full of ordained priests. A master is a master of martial arts. Are you retarded?
>>98145411>Because wizards is shit and puts so little thought into creature typing.they never really gave a fuck, and they're certainly not going to start now. just broadly top-down creature typing is a modern concept. for half of mtgs life they just slapped types on shit with zero thought, and there were tons of creatures that were the only creature in their type. those all eventually got retconned into larger groups, but creature types have always always felt like an afterthought because that's exactly what they are.
>>981453664's monks have the stylings of an order, but Yang for example is just a nobleman. The monk job in 5 doesn't imply anything more than the ability to beat people up bare-handed.
>>98145442Monks are not priests. They're members of a monastic order.
Now this is the kind of autism I wanna see
>>98145457So is the group of karateka on the beach a monastic order or not retard-kun
>>98145445Picrel being errata'd to get the Soldier creature type despite no other Spike getting a class type, and despite the species being non-sentient insects always makes me chuckle. It wasn't even one of those situations where it was originally a "Summon Soldier", they had absolutely no reason to do this
>>98145437Sometimes they're not monastic orders, but loose groups of like-minded individuals who share the same way of fighting: I guess Witchers would be an apt comparison?A Drunken Master (extremely popular archetype across all forms of media) is simply a guy who fights in a certain way, very often unarmed. He's not a monk and he's not part of any order.
>>98145430>unarmed, unarmored martial artists who rely on chi, ki, or prowess into a single categoryA lot of monks in magic don't fall into this category, instead being monks because they're monks. What would you retype them as? Why do you think they should be retyped?
>>98133305BL's pre-modern drop has to be one of the worst drops he's done in a long time. almost every card so bad its unusable. i dont understand why chinks continue to struggle to correctly fake old borders. invest the time once to perfect the eight frames then reuse them every time. i guess counterfeit customers are really that retarded. Usea is now selling his botched silver foil japanese mystical archive drop because people were begging him to sell that garbage instead of dumping and redo it. foiling is completely wrong and the fake can be identified at a mere glance.
These guys shouldn't be monks because they fight with weapons
This guy isn't really a monk, he doesn't rely on chi, ki, or prowess. How should we retype him?
>>98145493DnD rules allow monks to use simple non-heavy weapons thoughbeitYes, they are just ninjas with less hair.
>>98145484It's the difference between eastern and western monks. I wouldn't retype them.They can both be monks as I respect all monks, because I am monk man.
>>98145508So what is a monk, if it isn't an unarmed, unarmored martial artist?
>>98145493The Monk archetype has never meant 'strictly unarmed', it means using martial arts weaponry (staves, spears, kamas, nunchaku) rather than heavy military gear (broadswords, plate armor, halberds).Look at Monastery Swiftspear. She is holding a giant spear, but she is typed as a Monk, not a Warrior or a Soldier. Why? Because of how she fights. In MTG, Soldiers and Warriors rely on external equipment and passive military formations (Auras, Equipment, anthem effects). Monks are defined by internal focus, speed, and chi/energy woven into physical combat.D&D has the exact same distinction. There is a literal mechanical category called 'Monk Weapons' (shortswords, simple weapons, staves). A character holding a bo staff who relies on speed, ki, and discipline is a Monk. A character holding a greatsword who relies on heavy armor and brute force is a Warrior. It’s about the philosophy and style of combat, not an absolute ban on holding a stick.
>all monks must match the final fantasy version of a monk, even though magic has never done that before and will never do that again>if they don't conform to the ideals of final fantasy, they're doing it wronglol okay
>>98145515The only requirements are monastic affiliations and simple aesthetic (simple weapons/unarmed/robes or lightly dressed).
>>98145520>broadswords, halberdsThese are both weapons used in martial arts. There are mtg cards where monks use these exact weapons.>Why? Because of how she fights.Monastery Swiftspear is actually a member of a monastic order. She's typed as a monk because she's part of a monastic order.>Monks are defined by internal focus, speed, and chi/energy woven into physical combat.A lot of MtG monks are actually just monks. Show me how Avacynian Pilgrim relies on Ki, or speed, or whatever. Hell, how does Doran?
>>98145515In fantasy and gaming, a Monk is a combatant whose power comes from internal discipline, speed, and spiritual energy (chi/ki/mana) rather than external hardware or military training.The easiest way to look at it is how games mechanically separate them:Warriors and Soldiers rely on the external. They use heavy armor, broadswords, shields, and military formations. In MTG, Warriors and Soldiers synergize with equipments, army-wide anthems, or mobilize/strength in numbers. In D&D, they use Action Surge and heavy armor proficiency. Their solution to a problem is superior hardware and brute force.Monks rely on the internal. They might fight barehanded, or they might use lightweight martial arts weapons (like a staff or spear), but their defense comes from agility, and their offense comes from weaving energy into their strikes. In D&D, they use Ki points to dodge or strike multiple times.A Warrior upgrades their armor. A Monk upgrades themselves. If a character fights by entering a meditative stance, channeling internal energy, and relying on speed rather than a wall of steel, they are a Monk. It has nothing to do with whether they live in a church.The question of how western monks fit into this is an unrelated red herring to the discussion of Warrior v. Monk.
>>98145527>monastic affiliationYes, exactly. A member of a monastic order.>simple dressThis isn't true. Monks in magic can wear armor.
>>98145539Western vs Eastern monks is a separate topic we can discuss, if you're done with Warrior v. (Eastern Monk). Let me know if you're ready to switch topics.
>>98145548He's a giant so they probably feel just like robes to him :^)
>religious/spiritual monastery members are monks or clerics depending on their vibe and the structure of their organization >badass kung fu men are also monksNot hard to comprehend imo
*hits this entire general with a flurry of blows*HIYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>98145551They're the same topic, because they're the same type.>>98145542Plenty of MtG monks don't rely on ki or speed, and some are even focused on machines (see the monks of the third path, who build machines).
>>98145555>badass kung fu men are also monksTheu aren't though. Would you call Bruce Lee a monk? Would you call any of the characters in Bruce Lee movies monks? Is Ip Man a monk?Of course not, that would be silly. It would be like calling Katara a monk
>>98145427Those are kyokushin dudes. Is Cobra Kai a monastic order?
>>98145567Is thr guy from Cobra Kai a monk?
>all this debate and not a single reference to any primary or even secondary sources, just vibes and anecdotal background knowledgeBad. Gulag for anons. Ten thousand years gulag.https://mtg.wiki/page/Monkhttps://dougbeyermtg.tumblr.com/post/76872614082/hi-doug-could-you-tell-us-what-a-monk-is-in
>>98145572In fantasy gaming for the past 50 years, yea. He sure as shit aint a soldier.
Thanos is a monk>fights with fists>has zeal, discipline, is focused on his goal>his armor can be classified as lightwear
>>98145565>Would you call Bruce Lee a monk? Would you call any of the characters in Bruce Lee movies monks? Is Ip Man a monk?Genuinely, unironically yes to all of these
>>98145542>army-wide anthems, or mobilize/strength in numbers>military formations>heavy weaponsMonks do all these things in mtg
>>98145584SHOW ME A MONK ANTHEM, PLEASEI'VE BEEN WAITING FOR A MONK LORD FOR YEARS
>>98145578He's a warrior.>>98145583None of his characters are monks. They rely primarily on fists, but typically have very little discipline. They get drunk, get seduced, take bribes... and none of them use Ki.
>>98145584They are training niggaDo you see an aerobics class and call it a military formation.
>>98145572Cobra Kai secret lair when?
>>98145589>They get drunk, get seduced, take bribesThis happens to real life monks too anon.
>>98145593The card literally creates a large group of armed combatants who get buffed togetherIt's absolutely a formation>>98145587Behold.
Seriously game is so dead we are discussing what a "monk" is? LOL
>>98145589What war did he fight in
>>98145598Yes, real life members of monastic orders. Not people who rely on discipline for some kind of supernatural power. They would lose that discipline
>the TMNT should be Monks and not Ninja because they usually fight in open combat rather than stealth and almost never(?) attempt to straight-up assassinate people
>>98145581Warlord/Warrior. As for your points: 1. 'Fights with fists'He doesn't use martial arts technique, agility, or chi. He relies on raw, overwhelming genetic Titan strength and brute force. In gaming terms, that’s a Barbarian or a Brawler, not a Monk. 2. 'Has zeal and discipline'Having a goal doesn't make you a Monk. A ruthless CEO has 'focus and discipline.' Thanos isn't seeking self-mastery; he's a megalomaniac trying to enforce resource management on the universe by commanding a massive, militarized army.3. 'His armor is lightwear'Did you skip Avengers: Endgame? He wears head-to-toe, heavy golden plate armor and wields a massive double bladed greatsword. The only reason he takes his armor off in Infinity War is because he acquires the Infinity Gauntlet.
>>98145600One more hour and we'll have something to actually talk aboutIt's at least better than culture war, thread celeb discussion or just straight up unmoderated spamming
>>98145609They aren't monks because they eat pizza
>>98145601Warrior1. One who is engaged in or experienced in battle. 2. One who is engaged aggressively or energetically in an activity, cause, or conflict. Both of these apply to the dude from Karate Kid. They also apply to non-monk martial artist warriors in MtG like JaxisMonks are people who are actual monks, not just unarmed fighters.
>>98145609I actually agree with you. Teenage Mutant Monk Turtles.>>98145606Retard kun, what are you even on about? If getting drunk/etc. doesn't disqualify one from monk status, then who cares about it?It's fine if you think all monastics are monks, but not all monks are monastics.
>>98145614>He doesn't use martial arts technique, agility, or chi. That applies to a lot of MtG monks tho. It doesn't really make one a monk
>>98145615This, but unironically.
>>98145615Better than Gay Bolas?
>>98145622>If getting drunk/etc. (I actually referenced taking bribes and sleeping around as well) doesn't disqualify one from monk statusIt disqualifies one from being your retarded definition of a monk. It doesn't disqualify one from being an actual monk, who is defined by association with an organization and not vibes
Thanos, the Inclusive TitanPower up: Choose body Type A or body Type B. Destroy all creatures of the chosen quality.
>>98145652KEK
>>98145618That definition is so broad that every creature in MTG is now a warrior.
>>98145625Kek
>>98145636We aren't going to change each others minds here. I'm arguing from the history of fantasy gaming, and another anon's definition of monks by the magic designers. You are arguing from the dictionary. We will not see eye to eye here, as you see language as prescriptive, and I, descriptive.
OK let's pick a new creature type to argue overhttps://mtg.wiki/page/Job
>>98145683>definition of monks by the magic designersWhich is just being an actual monk. Point out a magic card from outside a UB set that isn't a monk under the traditional definition
>>98145383What a shame no one got outraged by this bait
>>98145688What's the deal with Locus?
>>98144944Shaolin monks are monks too retard
>>98145661>MarduAAAAAAAAAAA
>>98145661So power-up is just a mana reduced Exhaust. I can guarantee that people are going to forget that within the first week of release
>>98145661Can't wait for Wizards to announce this as the next best selling set of all time
>>98145707It's a variant on Exhaust, which is fair enough because Exhaust is a fairly 'simple' concept. I don't quite get why it's based on them entering, though, things like power-ups are usually done after they've done something, not when they first arrive.
>>98145700Shaolin monks are part of a monastic order
>>98145693Dueling Coach?
>>98145693What religion does the jeskai monastic order practice exactly?
>>98145656It's a pretty good class for physical combatants who don't fit into other classes like Soldier, Rogue, or Monk
>>98145722Neither of your definitions used the word physical. All wizards are warriors.
You know, it's weird that we never got cards that interact with already Monstrous creatures.Like a monster slayer guy that kills a creature on etb, if the target is monstrous.Or some kind of monstrous anthem that gives +3/+3 to all monsters
>>98145729The former would be garbage for being too specific. The latter would be parasitic.
>>98145719They're literally called the Jeskai Order dude, they're a monastic order. They have a mystical Way that brings inner peace that they call "the true path". It's as relgious as buddhism, a god agnostic relgion.
>>98145715The in-game reason is probably that since, as cards, they can't really "interact" in a way to induce the power-up like they can in comics.Out of game, my guess is that people want value right away rather than waiting a turn and get potentially removed by the time their turn comes back
>>98145735Like they don't print garbage or parasitic cards all the time
>>98145719For a person like you, what's the difference between cleric and monk
>>98145709I told you to get a different image.
>>98145752Monks are chinese or japanese inspired
>>98145735>The former would be garbage for being too specificDon't make it a rare. Give it ok-ish stats for draft, like a 3 mana 2/2 with first strike and have the cool ability be flavour text 90% of the time
>>98145755This is my first time posting thisSorry about your poopdickschitzo tho
>>98145759Lol, wtf
What were they thinking with this card?
>>98145767Cherry picking a point on the time line to prove your argument is counterproductive.It will be the best selling set. But you don't play EDH.
>>98145775>turn one>free quicksilver>free leyline of resonance>pump him for 8 and swingYour response?
>>98145786First, I play pot of greed!
Until they add a "Martial Artist" type, all martial artists should be monks to me. My authority is picrel.
>>98145775>thinking?
>>98145794Martial artist is way too broad to be a type. It includes knights, samurai, ninjas, warriors, mercenaries and more. It would be way too broadly applied as a type.
>>98145737Nta, but buddhism has a supernatural cosmology (unless you're zen, which some argue isn't buddhism anyway). Jeskai way is more a philosophy than a religion. That would make this guy a monk.
>>98145775It's only a 1/1, what's the big idea?>>98145809Magic the gathering has a supernatural cosmology. Jeskai monks do fucking magic, and know about the actual supernatural cosmology of magic.
>>98145743I could've seen it as reducing if they landed an attack or something but fair enough. Gameplay concessions have to make the mechanic actually useable.
>>98145808>warrior>anybody in a conflict>not too broad
>>98145786>Esc button>Concede>UninstallThanks MaRo, I'm free!!!
>>98145775They were thinking "How do we represent superspeed in a way we haven't already". Samut had it just by having all the 'speed' keywords. Sonic just had haste but cared about haste. Quicksilver takes the Turbo Slug approach. Or more like Leyline, I guess, but Turbo Slug is funnier.
>>98145809Sokrates isn't a monk because he's not a part of a monastic order, unlike the jeskai who are explicitly a monastic order. They live in isolated monasteries.
>>98145823Warrior applies to intelligent beings who regularly engage in conflict that don't fit into another type
Some really tiny Arena spoilers. Can't tell what the ability costs, but looks like 2?
>>98145834And the backside is Voltron Bullshit.
>>98145809>Jeskai way is more a philosophy than a religion.The Jeskai believe that they alone understand the true nature of reality. As taught by Ugin, they speak of six fires that light the way to Enlightenment. These are the white soulfire, the red bloodfire, the blue mistfire, the black deathfire, and the green vitalfire. While vitalfire and deathfire are taboo for the Jeskai Way, mastering the other three opens the way to the sixth fire: the colorless ghostfire.
Are we gonna get shit like Skrull as a creature type or are they just gonna use Alien?
>>98145841I think they teased a Kree Skrull (Hulkling), so.
>>98145834I thought it was a String reprint from the art.
>>98145841
I put a zombie lady into my cleric deck because I lack card draw. I've betrayed my race.
The problem with tying this shit to monasteries, is that monasteries are religious orders. So now we have to identify what is/isn't a religion, which no one can agree on, and it's all a pointless endeavour.
>>98145841Alien seems to be only used for more one-off things that aren't specific types. Like... Beta Ray Bill would probably be an Alien because his species isn't super prominent.
>>98145830Dictionary babies actually believe this
>>98145855Self describing yourself as a monk or a monastic order is probably enough. All the existing MtG monks fit into this category.
If I use Thanos' activated ability, would the trigger to destroy Bereaved Survivor fizzle due to the transform trigger being resolved?
Let's say my opponent uses a random spell to destroy one of my creatures, and I answer with an Instant card that lets me sacrifice that creature, what happens to his spell?
>>98145860>self-describingNigga none of these cards are real, they aint self describing
>>98145873It redirects to you and you get destroyed
>>98145869If you kill the survivor with the thanos ability it can't transform
>>98145834Mana Cost: 1UCard Name: Tony StarkType Line: Legendary Creature - Human Artificer HeroRules Text:{T}: Look at the top four cards of your library. You may reveal an artifact card from among them and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.{2}{U}{R}: Transform Tony Stark. Activate only as a sorcery.Artist Credit: Alexander Lozano>>98145837Mana Cost: 4URCard Name: The Invincible Iron ManType Line:Legendary Artifact Creature – Human HeroRules Text: Flying, Haste At the beginning of combat on your turn, you may put an artifact card from your hand onto the battlefield. If it's a[n] Equipment, attach it to The Invincible Iron Man.Artist Credit:ALEXANDER LOZANO
Let's say my opponent casts a removal spell and I look him dead in the eyes and with a full poker face immediately shit my pants, what happens when my opponent gets up and leaves in disgust?
>>98145878In this situation, I have another odd MV creature on the field. Both Survivor and the MV3 creature both have destroy triggers but I have the other MV3 creature die first which Survivor sees.
>>98145874If they have a place called a monastery like the jeskai they're probably a monastic order
>>98145841Everyt UB Glup Shito will have its own creature type, but classic magic races like Viashino and Cephalid will be lizards and octopuses to avoid bloat
>>98143255Gay. He shouldve been a monk.I don't give a flying fuck about religious orientation whether you're straight bi or queer so don't @ me.
>>98145887Why would the other creature die first? They don't have seperate triggers. They both die as part of Thanos' activated ability
>>98145889There's a faggot monastery, called your house
>>98145873608.2b If the spell or ability specifies targets, it checks whether the targets are still legal. A target that’s no longer in the zone it was in when it was targeted is illegal. Other changes to the game state may cause a target to no longer be legal; for example, its characteristics may have changed or an effect may have changed the text of the spell. If the source of an ability has left the zone it was in, its last known information is used during this process. If all its targets, for every instance of the word “target,” are now illegal, the spell or ability doesn’t resolve. It’s removed from the stack and, if it’s a spell, put into its owner’s graveyard. Otherwise, the spell or ability will resolve normally. Illegal targets, if any, won’t be affected by parts of a resolving spell’s effect for which they’re illegal. Other parts of the effect for which those targets are not illegal may still affect them. If the spell or ability creates any continuous effects that affect game rules (see rule 613.11), those effects don’t apply to illegal targets. If part of the effect requires information about an illegal target, it fails to determine any such information. Any part of the effect that requires that information won’t happen.Also next time just fucking google it
>>98145894Why? He's not a monk. He's a martial artist
>superheroes collector display already on fire sale in europe. 349.99€+shippingits fucking over for marvel isnt it?
>>98145854is she hot at least
>>98145854Why not just run other card draw? There's a massive amount of it
>>98145860So, martial arts + nothing = warrior.Member of monastic order = monkWhat do you get when you combine warrior + monk? Having all Jeskai be warrior monks makes way more fucking sense desu.
>>98145906you be the judge
>>98145887You dont get to order the creature deaths they all die and go to the yard together and then triggers happen.
>>98145915I'll be honest at first I misunderstood the art and thought the guy was her weirdly thick thighs.
>>98145915There must be a better card draw creature for you to play.
>>98145914>What do you get when you combine warrior + monk?Monk, just like you get Soldier when you combine Martial Arts + soldiering, or druid when you combine martial arts + druid
>>98145921I never noticed the guy until your post. I thought it was some kind of (grave)stone.
>>98145895>>98145920Ah gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up.
>>98145925Not that anon but it works really well with rotlung reanimator
>>98145940the price of this card is a fucking joke.
>>98145920>>98145895Even if you could somehow order the deaths and Survivor transformed, it would still die to an Odd-declared Thanos. The back side's mana value is still 3
>>98145946Yeah it needs a reprint badly and its literally only played in clerics
what went so wrong?
>>98145981jews and trannies
>>98145946This is clearly the work of the brazilian premodern cartel.
>>98145981Magic was doomed from its inception cause the people who made it were always massive fucking dweebs
>>98145992HE IS WORTHY
it sure is pottery how not a single one of these female superhero cards look attractive. not that I expected any different
>>98146008>scarlet witch isn't AT LEAST Red/BlackFucking gay as retard designers
>>98146014Bruh what the fuck are you talking about, look here>>98146008
>>98146051Oh they actually said the HH thingI was certain they were gonna woke out and cut it
>>98146051they really dont give a shi about color identity that is the completelly opposite of a rakdos effect
>>98146070Red can do mass tokens, black can do menace. Seems a good fit to me
Can't wait for the inevitable universes within printing of all of these cards
these cards dont seem that great. mostly seem like commanderbait
So where's the card that instantly becomes a $60 multi-format all-star?
>>98146069Yo dawg, I heard you like plans. so we put a plan within your plan
>>98146070Why is this reaction image naked?
>>98146091they made him lebannese???
>>98146093>mostly seem like commanderbaitwhat isn't these days?
>>98146016>"team"work>evey big creature fulfiels the requirement by itselfFuck they could ha ve at least have you tap X creatures instead of X power to actually require teams
>>98146091>artifact creatureGET HIM MOLEMAN
>>98146026The only creature seing place will be a literally who tiny niggerbravo Marobravo
>>98146030God that's such a boring Carol design.
>>98146096Monica of all characters gets a card? Sure, I guess. Didn't think she was particularly well-known.
>>98146137Dave is the designer of this set.
>>98146118>black card>is red>blue card>is white>red card>is black
>>98146108They're teaming up with you, the planeswalker
>>98146152>Didn't think she was particularly well-known.she had a moviewhere's that stretchy Marvel thing-girl?
>>98146152She was in a movie people are desperate to pretend didn't flop
>>98146153who is he humping?
>>98146160Sure, but, like... Her being in a movie doesn't mean people care much for her. I assume some people like her in the comics but she's very much not a character I'd have thought would be in the line-up of Mythics that transform.
>>98146152She’s a black woman. Why wouldn’t they throw her in?
>>98146182For as much as this set is meant to be lifting from the comics it really is just "Hey you liked the MCU right" so far. And Doom.
Haha this game is fucking aids
They really made Black Panther have a boring-as-fuck card, huh.
>>98146202we got teferi at home
Weird restriction. I get why so it doesn't loop if you have a copy but still.
>>98146208These lands seem bad
>>98146204I love New York I love it so much it's not like there are a gorillion villain mountain bases or shit that could be used for mountains it just fucking HAD to be New York AGAIN
>>98146218Well, they couldn't restrict hero or human, since 90% of the cards in this set are either human or heroes.
>>98146061>card representing a cape team>not a saga>not a classFucked up desu senpai
>>98146229Um, didn't you hear? Marvel being set in a real city is what makes it edgy, topical, and cool, you BIGGOT
Draw cardDo thing
There are like 500 different Avengers. Why are they giving the same characters multiple different cards at different rarities
>>98146135Kraum is a good boy.
>>98146229Yeah, did they forget that Marvel and Avengers are beyond New York? Thor and Loki are in this set, just look for some Asgardian mountains. I'd have taken some wakandan panther mountains or some african savannah for my plains.
>>98146241Because MCU made people know Tony and Thor and Steve and they still think people will throw bitchfits if they don't get at least one of those in a pack.
>>98146229That's Marvel trapping though.
>>98146236Being cool, but rude > Villain, in terms of being class worthy or saga worthy for WotC.
>>98146229Only like two of those lands seem to be explicitly New York. The rest are kind of all over the place.
>>98146241While doing lord of the rings, wizards discovered that people want to see the thing they recognize, which means popular characters have to be at a low rarity, but they also want their guy to be a good card, so they have to be at a high rarity. That's why we have half a dozen Sokkas but long feng is only an uncommon
>>98146013>>98146135KRENKO IS WORTHYABBY IS WORTHYAMY ROSE IS WORTHY.In fact, Mjolnnir synergizes really well with Amy Rose.
>>98146263And that sort of makes sense for settings with fewer characters but Marvel's thing is that it has SO MANY CHARACTERS. Make the big name ones the big Mythics. Make the glup shittos fill out the ranks.
>>98145992YOU BETTER BELIEVE HE IS WORTHY
>>98145992he is worthy
>>98146270And each hero has like 3 different versions anyways. Dive deeper in the lore and figure out 2 other people to be the uncommon and rare Iron mans and leave Tony as the proper mythic version of the card.
>>98144696It's legendary and 3 different mana symbols green is currently the only color with nonlegendary 3 mana 4/4 without downsides.
>>98146252I kinda got a kick out of the TMNT classes being based off the 80s cartoon theme>Leonardo leads>Donnie Does Machines>Raphael is Cool, but Rude>Michaelangelo is a Party DudeStrixhaven having classes named like (school) classes was a level of kino we literally won't see again though
>>98146274WAIT WAIT WAIT WAITHow come I never noticed Norin is black? Seems like I am one of those people that don't see color after all.
>>98144698It was hand painted they are not going to be accurate.
>>98146290>won't see againWe might see it again in only a few months when Reality Fracture drops.
>>98146096She feels pretty busted, any on-rate prowess creature with relevant keywords has always been playable.The flipside is pretty bonkers, she's very hard to remove and will end game very quickly.
>>98145992...worthy...
>>98146280Yeah, fuck it, make Iron Heart the signpost uncommon and War Machine the odd rare.
>>98146220They will be playable in modern for eldrazi decks because k-command is broken.
>>98146318Don't call that imposter k-command
>>98146305Too expensive. If you're playing r/w and haven't won the game before turn six you're not going to win at all.
>>98146327>>98146318>k-commandthe what?
>>98146318It's jsut a bad Aether Hub if you want a colourless land that has coloured ability once
Also here's this fucking freak.
>>98146334Kryptic Command
>>98146340>have you tried not being a dick?
It's the big boy. I feel like he should have more than 1 power, though, given he's consistently shown to be able to tangle with superheroes just via what seems to be raw strength.
>>98146334Kurwa Command
>>98146340>5 mana 2/2 that dies to shock unless you pay 6 life at mythiclmao
>>98146337It's not only once if you have a basic, the G/R one definitely could see play.
>>98145992He's in
Have we seen a single non legendary creature from this set yet?
>>98146340This with Kavaero is gonna be pretty good in standard, it kills otter tokens and the cub lands/elves.
The Fantastic Four go infinite together, which is cute.
Oh look, non-city lands.
>>98146360Chose two>gain control of target vehicle>destory target non-white creature>you gain 1 life for each creature card in your graveyard>target creature you control fights another target creature chosen at random
>>98146372This is a commander set, why would they print non-legendary creatures?
>>98146354He basically has 5 power for 3 mana which is pretty big.That being said, buttstrike decks are gimmicky commander shit I can't see him being relevant for any other format.
>>98146381>Central park forest
>>98146376I hate to say it but that's actually soul
>>98146391MOSTLY non-city lands. Spidey's on that one. Not sure why he's here, this isn't his set.
>>98146384No no, commander set will be added on top.
>>98146381Each land has a version of it with a Helicarrier in the background by the looks of it?That's kinda neat
>>98146393It being kickstartable by Johnny is honestly the real good touch on it. He's always the one that starts things up when they do their big team-up things.
>>98146395Anon, your picture just shows that they're making two commander sets.
How are we feeling about the third part of the NY block?
>>98146418Still waiting for Staten Island.
>>98146418can't wait for the fourth part in Reality Fracture and the fifth part in Star Trek and the sixth part in the marvel set we're getting next year and the...
>>98146418I don't think this joke was funny the first time, and repetition hasn't improved its success.
>>98146423
Is Reality Fracture just War of the Spark 2?
>>98145981This shit suuuucks incoming dust collectors at target like tmnt and spiderman...who is hyped for marvel excrement in the big 26?
>>98145294MTG already carries that distinction with soldier and warrior.
This card art feels like a meme. I dunno why.
>>98146431it's planar chaos strixhaven
>>98146428the sad part is not even a joke, UB-kun.
>>98146439I still like X-men, but that's mostly just for all the hot slutty mutants.
Oh hey, a character that's not particularly well-known for once.
>>98146449Because it has powercrept grasp of darkness?
>>98146457I love how magic is so tightly designed and simple and intuitive that they have to word something as simple as an resurrection ability triggering only once like this
>>98146457She's on a running comic series right now, so maybe marvel asked them to add her to maybe get some sales. It's the current wonderman run, btw.
I didn't know Echo was in the MCU, but she's also relatively unknown.
>>98145430Monks in MTG are all part of monastic order. The exception are universe beyond products like Tifa but her in-game Class is a monk. Maro said they would type Universe Beyond characters based on that universe's need not MTG's.
>>98146449Doom is an inherently memey character because he's always on the verge of ridiculous while remaining completely sincere
>>98145294>Shang-Chi or Ryu are MonksNo, they're warriors.>They aren't soldiers looking for the most efficient way to killOf course not, that would make them soldiers
>>98146457>Change the wording from "When {CARDNAME}" to "When {CARDTYPE}">Syke, except on the slop legends!!!!So, they updated the comprehensive rules to allow for cardtype self-references but forgot to leave in a part where cards can reference themselves by name. They just deleted that part and replaced it with the new version.None of the cards that use {CARDNAME} function anymore. Who cares, I guess. WotC doesn't care, that's for sure.
>>98146475She got a whole tv mini series, anon. Well, a straight to disney plus mini series.
>>98146475this is just a worse gogo from the final fantasy set
>>98146482>201.5. Text that refers to the object it’s on by name means just that particular object and not any other objects with that name, regardless of any name changes caused by game effects.It's still in the rules actually.
>>98146395>No no, commander set will be added on top.
>>98146381God damn that Spider-Man forest is awful.
>>98146170Look at these "warriors"
>>98146483Huh I thought she was just in the Hawkeye show, didn't know she got her own. MCU fucking went everywhere. Who in this set HASN'T shown up in the MCU yet, anyway? Hellcat I don't think has, unless she's cropped up in the Wonder Man show or some shit.
>>98146490Guess they snuck it back in. Oh well. Who cares.
>>98146431Not even close, the entire thing is going to take place in one plane's alternate reality and it won't resolve a damn thing.
>>98146182Ha, called it on the ten rings. Though very sad that shang chi and his rings have no synergy of any kind.
Maro definitely designed the entirety of this card.
>>98146499I think they're a part of a monastic order actually
>>98146142man they always make reprints that I could put in my decks so fucking ugly.like this and FF Primeval Titan.
>>98146507She can eat my nuts any time
And here's Matt.
>>98146507not my Squirrel Girl
>>98146507This is embarrassing.
>>98146525Why?
>>98146507All these cards make me realize how based the Chinese are for actually making attractive characters.
>>98146507"Eat nuts" isn't going to age well and will be frowned upon by you-know-whos.
>>98146482Literally has been the case with legendaries since Foundations, which is the earliest set I can identify with cardtype self references printed on cards>>98146507Chatterfang's new wife
>>98146507>not a "You can't lose the game" effectOne fucking job
>>98146529Because is so stupid is unreal.
Makes me realize how lame and gay comic books are. Turns out the jocks were right.
The precons have this, and sure I guess that's why Storm's here because she was married to T'challa for a bit.
>>98146521>whenever you attackWhomst?
>>98145809They have similar religious beliefs to Innastrad about the afterlife.
>>98146507>"We're here to consume semen!"What did WotC mean by this?
>>98146507Why are western artists incapable of drawing attractive female characters nowadays?
>DoomCucked and lame>KangThe main character of human history.
>>98146478holy shit this is real?time to make a disgusting horn of greed premodern deck
>>98146524>Call her The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl>Use character design from comics that are distinctly not the "Unbeatable Squirrel Girl" comics.
>>98146556
>>98146555you exactly know the reason why >>98146524
>>98146565Pretty sure horn of greed is only edh legal
>>98146556>"Activate each power-up ability only once. Reduce the cost by his mana cost..."Abilities have genders now? Fuck me WotC HIRE A FUCKING EDITOR HOLY FUCKING SHIT DO YOU RETARDS NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT A PRONOUN REFERENT IS HOLY FUCK
>>98146556>>98146570>set was designed when they thought Kang was going to be the big movie bad guyDamn, screwed by the MCU
>>98146549>the only attractive female art is a black woman
>>98146577Reading comprehension, anon.
>>98146549Pauline able to get away with what is tantamount to murder by art directors, here. Damn.
I hate the fucking gendered pronouns on Legendaries so fucking much it's so god damned fucking jarring to read holy fuck.Worse yet that they fucking copied this shit from the League of Legends tcg for fuck sake fucking hell this shit sucks. Every decision WotC makes sucks the maximum possible amount.
>>98146577The ability doesn't have a mana cost, it has a cost. He (Kang) has a mana cost. Learn to speak English before criticizing WotC on their editing, ESL-kun.
>>98146500She was in the Jessica Jones and the defenders tv show, but that was during that time netflix was producing the marvel tv shows.
>>98146587Elektra looks good.
>>98146587What of Magali Scarlet Witch?
>>98146549is this ai? why are the fingers on her right hand so long?
>>98146587They legally have to make Storm hotIt's in the contract
So is Marvel set good? I see a lot of hype in social media
I hate capeshit more than you comprehend btw
>>98146603Gonna be daughter to my hand
>>98146594>Reading comprehension,>>98146599>Learn to speak EnglishTwo anons attempting to sound while being too stupid to even begin to comprehend the problem.Lmao. Keep at it, retards, maybe you'll figure out how to parse a three-word sentence some day. At least figure that out before you try to comment on pronoun reference issues.
Oh no, more Spiders.
>>98146030Why is she white?
>>98146598They've been doing it since before the LoL card game was a concept, newfag.
White card but make it green.
>>98146620>more Spiders.Oh.Hooray...
>>98146545Well, super hero comic books were like wrestling. There was a time and place where they were cool and some times the stories can be engaging, but it has been going for so long and the storylines and thematics are so repetitive that most people got tired of it ages agos. No wonder mangas and anime just devoured most of that public from the 2000's onwards.
>>98146603>not an assassin man that's disappointing
>>98146619>Two anons attempting to sound while being too stupidLike potteryThe ability doesn't have a mana cost, Kang does. "He" references Kang. It makes complete sense in context of the text box. Explain to me why it wouldn't.
>>98146521>if that card is a hero cardThe parasitic mechanics are the worst thing about this set.
>>98146630Why is everyone who complains about the color pie a newfag? D-K effect?
>>98146556Why does he have flying? Flying isn't one of his standard powers, right?
Here's Danny. Also not a Monk. This is very funny to me.
>>98146475I absolutely hate kikes that make kike mono blue vigilance kikety kike kike-shit. I hope they all die in a fire with their kikety kike color pie breaks.
>>98146644Only if they stop doing heroes and villains. Maybe they'll keep doing it. That way we'll always know who the good guys and bad guys are.
>>98146653RIP Monkanon.
>>98146653Well, he's not a part of a monastic order. It makes sense.
>>98146639>"He" references Kang.No it doesn't. You literally do not know how to parse a sentence and are simply making factually incorrect claims.
is the best girl going to get a card
>>98146653Monk man here, my hopes are thoroughly dashed. I'll be back for reality fracture.
>>98146655Blue has had vigilance since Legends newfag
>>98146652Kang can do whatever he likes.
>>98146666>~ deals X damage divided as you choose..."Was this so hard? God they're morons.
>>98146656They could have done something like they done in OTJ though.
>>98146668In the X-Men set. Only Storm, Wolverine and Beast seem to be in for X-Men because they've all been Avengers/Fantastic Four members. Wolverine's been in every team.
>>98146598retard
>>98146669Don't be disheartened monk man. I'm going to make an edh of all martial arts warriors, just for you.
>>98146673They wanted to do something different, for some reason. They deliberately made it several triggers of different things.
New thread?
>>98146683My IQ is 93 I am provably not retarded shut the fuck up.
>>98146663He was trained by monks in a fucking monk monastery and is canonically a buddhist monk in the mcu. Shut the fuck up, you fucking autistic retard.
>>98146673Thats mechanically very different.This doesnt fold to a single counter spell and effects that say deal X more damage also work better with this one.
>>98146671They made Lady Loki thick?Hell yeah
>>98146695>Thats mechanically very different.No they aren't lmao.
>>98146664Here let me cut out the fluff for you.{Cost}: Put a +1/+1 counter on Kang... (Activate each power-up ability only once. Reduce the cost by his mana cost if he entered this turn.)"His" and "he" reference Kang. It does not have to reference the power-up ability by construction, and in fact does not. What else would it reference?
>>98146671>that nosehow do asian artists mog their western counterparts every single time?
>>98146362*6 or more life You need to need to discard a nonland so on an empty hand you need to get lucky.
>>98146670White has had Trample since Arabian Nights, kike, but I don’t see a thousand mono white trample creatures anywhere. Whiny blue kikes just couldn’t handle having to tap while attacking. Typical kike cowards.
>>98146703Yeah, it is. Magecraft? Flusterstorm?Learn beyond arena before you spout this retarded shit
>>98146418I'm glad they moved villains from UB to RB for draft.
>>98146703>Cast a single spell that deals 4 damageI counterspell it. Ok that spell is countered. >Cast 4 spells that deal 1 damage eachI counterspell one, now you still have 3 spells that each deal their damage.Also, have Torbran out that amplifies each damage dealt by 2.>Cast the first one for 4 damage, because of Torbran it now deals 6.>Cast 4 spells that each deal 1 damage, now each dealing 3 damage, so in total 12.How does it feel to have a 2 digit IQ?
>>98146713Yeah but you still see white trample creatures, so what the fuck? Why complain about vigilance?
>>98146671Built exactly like my wife (minus the purple skin). I approve.
>>98146726It also works thematically for the idea of being just overwhelmed with blasts.
>>98146705>"His" and "he" reference Kang.No it doesn't. You do not know how grammar works. I find your fumbling in the unwashed darkness funny.
>>98146714>Yeah, it is. Magecraft? Flusterstorm?These are not significant differences and are not differences that anyone will encounter in actual gameplay even a single time.
>only one actual magic set in the last half of the year>3 ub setswhat retard made the set release schedule this year
>>98146745>what retard made the set release schedule this yearWho cares.
>>98146728Don't engage unless you're making fun of him. He's made complaining about WotC's supposed mistreatment of white his whole personality and he wants to make that your problem. You should only respond to him if you think it makes him feel bad.
>>98146748keep eating that slop
>>98146734Yes, I do. Why would that not be a valid use of personal pronouns? Explain your gripe or be forever considered an incurable ESL retard.
Bros, the image limit...
>>98146751Fuck off with the poopdickschizo shit, I don't care who you think anyone in this thread is or what history you've imagined for them
>>98146630Moon Knight's gotta be in so you can have the power couple.
>>98146550Standard wording since Onslaught>>98146598Been happening since Rise of the Eldrazi (Sarkhan the Mad) on Planeswalkers and creatures that flip into PWs. Seems to be only UB creatures that do this though (the old Marvel Secret Lair was the first example I found)>>98146570I expected (but hate) five versions of Tony Thor and Cap, but who tf is this blue mf and why does he have three versions already
The number of magic cards who are canonically rapists has gone up by a not insignificant margin with the release of Marvel
>>98146787He was going to be the Thanos of the next avengers movie, but his nigger acgor got canceled for beating his woman
New thread>>98146791>>98146791>>98146791
>>98146790Canonical rapists pre-marvel? Any pointers on top tier marvel rapechads?
>>98146756He's vagueposting and when confronted with a difference of opinion is resorting to ad hominem. Don't engage with the (You) farmer. He's wrong and he knows it.
>>98146756>Why would that not be a valid use of personal pronouns?Sure.>"Reduce the cost by his mana cost""His" gramatically references "the cost", not "Kang".This is exceedingly basic stuff. 2nd grade sentence parsing shit. You really should be able to figure this out yourself. It's kind of sad you couldn't.
>>98146817That would only be the case if the sentence was isolated, which it isn't.This is exceedingly basic stuff. 2nd grade paragraph parsing shit. You really should be able to figure this out yourself. It's kind of sad you couldn't.
>>98146824>That would only be the case if the sentence was isolated, which it isn't.No it is the case all the time. There is only one referent here, grammatically.
>>98146817Reduce the cost (of this ability) by his (Kang's) mana cost.Kang's mana cost is 2UU.If he entered this turn, the ability (which costs 5UUU) will cost 2UU less.
>>98146846>Reduce the cost (of this ability) by his (Kang's) mana cost.You can randomly insert non-grammatical clauses that have no relevance to the actual syntax all you want. The grammar doesn't care. Your headcanon about how the grammar is working is irrelevant to the fact that it isn't working.
>>98146607You should ask Pauline Voss
>>98146867What should the card say to make grammatical sense in your eyes?
>>98146867The grammar does care. It's used as part of a sentence. Consider the following sentence.>The shirt was soaked with his sweat.Who is he? Is it the shirt?>When the Lawyer enters, reduce your money by his skill.Who's skill is the money being reduced by?You are not white. Your nipples are not pink, and so you are not white. English is the language of MY people, the white race, and I won't have you trample on it with your stupidity.
>>98146556>ability is designed to prevent looping on extra turns and expects you to be blinking him to do it >is so prohibitively expensive that you'd want infinite mana for it in the first place and does nothing to stop you from stacking infinite turns from the turn you start paying into them
>>98146903Sure, as long as you have infinite infinite turn cardsThey just want him to not be a two card combo with the The Mind Stone from this set
>>98146867NTA but I'm an English major, and you're being unnecessarily pedantic to avoid admitting you're wrong anon. Reminder text is often not fully grammatically correct, it's meant to be understood in the context of the other text it's printed with. The standard reminder text for Flashback includes the sentence "Then exile it." There isn't a subject there at all if you choose to ignore everything except that sentence of reminder text. But that's stupid why would you do that.
>>98146882>What should the card say to make grammatical sense in your eyes?I wouldn't have an ability with multiple confounding effects to begin with, for starters. It's a total fucking mess of multiple-state tracking that simply should never exist.Since you asked so nicely, though, some shit like,>(If this creature entered this turn, its power-up ability costs are reduced by its mana cost. Activate each power-up ability only once.)
>>98146921You are not white. You will never be white. Your nipples are not pink. Seethe, imposter. Stolen valor usurper of whiteness.
>>98146919>and you're being unnecessarily pedantic to avoid admitting you're wrong anon.This statement is genuinely hilarious and you should be ashamed at having typed something so retarded.Grammar is the realm of pedantry, retard-kun. The literal purpose of editing is to engage in maximal pedantry to avoid grammatical issues.I bet you got your "English major" from a liberal arts college lmfao. 100k in debt to be taught by idiots, no doubt. Maybe get a proper education next time.
>>98146939Real white people laugh at you. They see you as an outsider. You are not one of us. Your nipples are not pink. Your facial structure is un-white. White women are repulsed by you.
>>98146957>Real white people laugh at you. They see you as an outsider. You are not one of us. Your nipples are not pink. Your facial structure is un-white. White women are repulsed by you.Yet, even with all your seething, I remain correct.Use proper grammar to avoid pronoun referent errors. It's that simple.
>>98146974Here, tell me who "he" is referencing in this sentence>Soak the cloth in his mongrel bloodWho is he in this sentence, pig?
>>98146939>refuses to address my point, just more ad hominemConcession accepted
>>98147002A pronoun without an established antecedent is different from a pronoun with an established, incorrect antecedent.
>>98147030Why is the cloth not the antecedent but the cost is, nigger?
>>98147002>>98147030To clarify, in the context of a clause like "his blood" we would usually refer to the paragraph's overall subject rather than the sentence's.Grammatically, it is always wrong to use a pronoun without an antecedent, no matter how much it "makes sense" to a layman reader. You posted an incorrect sentence.Devoid of a paragraph's context, a sentence like what you formulated should correctly be phrased something like>Soak the cloth in the man's mongrel blood.
>>98147044>Why is the cloth not the antecedent but the cost is, nigger?Predicted lmao.>>98147055
>>98147055>Grammatically, it is always wrong to use a pronoun without an antecedenProof? When did th academy that standardizes English state this, shitnipples?
>>98147094>When did th academy that standardizes English state thisRobert Lowth - A Short Introduction to English Grammar (18th c.)
>>9814711918th century niggers can tongue my anus. There is nothing wrong with using a pronoun with an antecedent in a previous sentence. It's been standard practice for over a century.
>>98147160>There is nothing wrong with using a pronoun with an antecedent in a previous sentenceNobody said there was.
>>98147167Then there's nothing wrong with Kang.
>>98147160Here's a full overview of the issue, since your English major apparently didn't cover it:>Parenthetical separation tends to carry its own, entirely independent, grammatical baggage, especially when the content of the parentheses forms complete sentences.>The previous sentence (within the parenthesis) is in the imperative form, obscuring the parenthetical content's overall subject.>"Kang" is a grammatical object, not subject. Even if you wanted "him" to refer to Kang outside the parenthesis, which it traditionally could not do, this relationship is confounded by "Kang's" place within the grammar.>Even if you wanted to be lenient for the imperative structure within which "Kang" is situated, you still run into the problem of the proposed "Kang" antecedent being separated by "his" via an additional imperative sentence. In every context, trying to use "Kang" as an antecedent is grammatically obscured.In addition to the above concerns. Plus more, probably, but I can't be assed.
>>98143473>>98144689Cringe. I honestly lose interest in mtg as it gets exposed like that in public.>>98144762Shit indeed
>>98147233>copying an AI summary and adding greentext arrowsWow nice job niggerDid you kiss the part where it said I'm right? It's difficult to parse, not incorrect. Kang is fundamentally written correctly, according to the English used by actual professionals.
>>98147257Run it through Winston if you think I didn't achieve all my academic success myself, before AI was even a thing, Captain Paranoid.
>>98147264Your "academic success" is throating old man cock. How about you try sucking off someone with more qualifications than ChatGPT this time, mudskin?
>>98147274>Your "academic success" is throating old man cock.No Anon, gobbling dick in the locker room was a pastime completely independent of my Masters degree.>How about you try sucking off someone with more qualifications than ChatGPT this time, mudskin?I have only known one highly academic person with a truly satisfying, throbbing cock to suck. I prefer the sports scholarship types for fellatio, honestly. But, that aside.Can you point to where I am wrong?
>>98147283Point 1, just says it carries "baggage"Point 2, says subject is obscuredPoint 3, says relationship is confounded but still possiblePoint 4, days it's fine but obscureThe whole thing says it's somewhat unclear, but not incorrect. Thankfully, the card brings clarity, niggerfaggot.And no, having an MA in some gay field doesn't make you an academic
>>98147322>The whole thing says it's somewhat unclear, but not incorrect.It is grammar, anon, not fudge brownies. Unclear = incorrect. They are inextricable.
>>98147330Unclear does not imply incorrect. You're clearly too busy having your fudge packed by the dick that's inextricable from your ass to understand a fucking text box.
>>98147342>Unclear does not imply incorrect.Unclear is definitionally incorrect in Grammar. It is literally one of the fundamental things by which incorrect grammar is defined.
>>98147351Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo
>>98146376Indeed cute, I was about to say it is cute but you beat into it.Honestly I like this kind of design, I miss Mirrodin Stations>>98146457Undying but worse. (member the green spirit with haste and undying for 2 that was 2/1? It was not a legendary creature)>>98146507shit>>98146556>can't abuse me with flickerball less>>98146610My queen>>98146620Will they make her pregnant phase?>>98146630>FLash>TRAMPLE ?I like
>>98146671Not great but fuckable imo. card effect is ok.
>>98146644Nah, I'm glad honestly, it means none of these cards will infiltrate civilised decks, they'll only be relevant to each other and will be swiftly forgotten
>>98146556WE
>>98146666>>98146695Would this activate "whenever you cast a spell" triggers multiple times, or do copies not count for that? Other than counters only stopping one of them, what could take advantage of the wording?
>>98149932Copies aren't cast unless the card specifically says so, but magecraft triggers care about copies.
