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>>98162689
>Full CYOA
https://imgchest.com/p/na7konjjwy8
>Rentry
https://rentry.org/scv22026

>Overseer Elite Squad
Jakunatori
https://rentry.org/zhc4q6aw
Zanka
https://rentry.org/piutq4n4
Koban
https://rentry.org/ho6xtppv
Mika Mori
https://desuarchive.org/tg/post/97972851/
Arya Vat Vaisnava
https://rentry.org/scbird
Kisara Kisaragi
https://rentry.org/iz8cv5n4
Akemi Orochi
https://rentry.co/i6fcokoy

>Yatsukahagi
Satya (Leader)
https://rentry.org/mxyq4iea
Senyan (Satya's Bodyguard)
https://rentry.org/tucz6vco
Niú Jìngyán "the Queen of Evernight" (Evernight Captain)
https://rentry.org/da8z7uit
Arjava (Satya's Step-brother)
https://rentry.co/safup27d
Huāshēngjiàng Wèi Shíqì (Hush)
https://rentry.org/2b8eh9fq
Hajun (Hajun)
https://rentry.org/ppmhzp9s
Koichi "Roach" Ishima (Acquistions)
https://desuarchive.org/tg/post/98102083

>Exorcist Bureau
Baron Rochambeau (Special Inspector E.B.)
https://rentry.org/mzuwrnb4
Chitragupta Kumari "Her Holiness" (Deputy Prosecutor General)
https://desuarchive.org/tg/post/97972953/

>Senguru Monastic Dynasty
Nagomi (Advanced Member)
https://rentry.org/xmrtmmar

>The Fist of the Almighty
Ryusei (Follower)
https://rentry.org/fbxdf4rz

>Flowing Water Sect
Hisako Amaterasu
https://rentry.org/k2phy9qa
Yuusha
https://rentry.org/kxgsbwrb
“Gabriel”
https://rentry.org/SC2026Angelbro

>Former Saika Ikki
Saika Magoichi "Ronin" (Former Saika Ikki Leader)
https://rentry.org/tq9qdt23
Tsuchibashi Mozumaru
https://rentry.org/7gk4xszf

>Black Lotus Ltd.
Mr. Black
https://rentry.org/gy8p5wba

>Kikaden/Palace of Returning Glory
Reibai
https://rentry.org/qdoka378

>The Helical Path
Xerxes Ní Caomhánach
https://rentry.org/XerxesNiCaomhanach

>Unaffiliated
Kei (Heiress of Lightning Bugs clan)
https://rentry.org/65yymci9
Shiki Arakawa (Serial Killer)
https://rentry.co/ShikiArakawa
Shirō (NOT a war criminal)
https://rentry.org/kwyf5wmy
Meliala (Christian Exorcist)
https://rentry.org/melialasc2
Gorra Shatterhorn
https://desuarchive.org/tg/post/97991416/

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>>98162692
>Unaffiliated (cont.)
Kuro Hitokiri (Stalker Ninokata Member)
https://rentry.co/KuroSC
Xiaohong Zhan
https://rentry.org/redgoldrogue

>Overpowered corner
David The "Godslayer"
https://rentry.co/vomww7o5

>Writefags
Investigations of the Heiress: Hellion Mob Grunt (Nagomi, Kei)
https://rentry.org/woouyaqp
Youdu 5.0: It's Hellion Or Bust (Part 1) (Arya, Jingyan, Koban, Mika, Jakunatori, Zanka, Kisara)
https://rentry.co/he46f2ee
Investigations: Prologue (Ronin, Meliala, Shiki)
https://rentry.org/96rfez8x
Enter the Eight Grasping Limbs (Satya, Jingyan, Senyan, Arjava, Kei, Hajun, Kisara, Koban)
https://rentry.org/a69bhxew
Sparkle, Crackle, Pop (Nagomi, Kei)
https://rentry.org/7825gbdv
Dead Reckoning (Ronin, Mozumaru, Arjava)
https://rentry.org/d9b9omey
The Nun's Desire (Meliala, Ronin, Mozumaru, Arjava, Jingyan, Satya, Senyan)
https://rentry.co/rxqb4tkt
Childish Games (Mr. Black, Logan Ace, side mention of Hisako and Yuusha)
https://rentry.org/5bsf9hah
Burned Memories; Transparent Dreams (Ronin, Nagomi)
https://rentry.org/udvamgtz
The Abyss Lord Heist (Xiaohong Zhan, Koichi "Roach" Ishima, Mr. Black)
https://rentry.org/4i3tmvxh
Preparations of the Yatsukahagi (Reibai, Satya, Jingyan, Hajun, Senyan, Hush, Arjava)
https://rentry.org/oxpw8rwy

>Artfags
Satya LTG
https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/tg/image/1777/58/1777588158034.png
Youdu 5.0 Part 1
https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/tg/image/1778/11/1778114404506.png
Yatsukahagi VS Overseers Poster
https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/tg/image/1778/37/1778373593524.png

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>>98162699
>Tiermaker Link
https://tiermaker.com/create/spirit-conscript-redux-18744126

>Card Compilation 1
https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/tg/image/1779/90/1779907061601.jpg
>Card Compilation 2
https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/tg/image/1779/90/1779907180673.jpg

>Relationship chart
https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/tg/image/1779/89/1779898578844.png
>Relationship chart Type style
https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/tg/image/1780/50/1780509798568.png

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>MHA Rentry
https://rentry.org/uhx77ys6

>RULES:
> Timeline: Just Another Story
> Location: Japan
>The Hero Students are at Shiketsu.

Instructions + Template for Making Cards: https://pastebin.com/NQ6JNH8r

>New Stuff:
>New Writefag:
>Operation DESPERADO (Seiryu, Karma, Honoken, The Villain Known As Stormrazor)
https://rentry.org/62g2miaz

>CHARACTER PROMPTS (feel free to answer these whenever)
Former 1-D Prompts 1-50: https://rentry.org/mhamp
Former 1-D Prompts 50+: https://rentry.org/mhamp2
Everyone else's prompts: https://rentry.org/mhamp3
Same password for all of them (mha4)
>Older Prompt Links Are in Here
https://pastebin.com/Qr3TtGa6
>Fighting Style Prompt
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/88693730/#88693888
>Smokin' Sexy's Class Questionnaire
https://rentry.org/xudhyrnr
>Former 1-D Timeline
https://rentry.org/MHATIMELINE
https://rentry.org/itmttw7n
>Classes Compilations
https://rentry.org/mcymha2D
https://rentry.org/mcymha2E
old former 1-D comp: https://rentry.org/9bf3g
>Relationship charts
https://rentry.org/MHA_Charts
>Dorms Prompt
Dorm Room Proposal v2 https://desuarchive.org/tg/post/94701730
>Tiermaker:
https://tiermaker.com/create/mcymha-current-cast-16507969

>Full Version of the CYOA
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/post/97718092
>Older Version of the CYOA (Both the old and new versions are legal for builds.)
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/post/94720077

For more Characters, Writefags, Art, Memes, Tierlists, etc. check the rentry

Well, SC, you were good, but I think it's time to move on...

>>98162735
Why? Anons go rabid the moment you even suggest a different cyoa to play and then make up the most outlandish reasons for it to be shit and unplayable.

>>98162751
We're playing vampires, didnt you see last thread?

>>98162790
to suck each other off fictionally amirite?

dead

>>98163121
I'm sorry anon... I scrapped my entire build because my favorite choices were calling my name.

I promise that it'll be done much quicker though since I already got my build concept on lock.

>>98162735
Quit falseflagging.

Does Bane of the Sire represent the sire being destroyed by an older vampire for making you, or is it more like some kind of divine intervention?

>>98163185
I assume you can play it as you like since it doesn't state the exact cause other than blue flames. It would be funny to get smited out of nowhere though.

I'll ask here, how many people are actually making a build for the vampire cyoa? And what clans are you so I can do something else?

>>98163212
I'm not, I'll be very disappointed in you all if you force me to pretend to care about vtm(not even the best splat)

>>98163212
I decided to go with Ravnos for my build.

>>98163212
I'll join if someone makes a good build

Rolled 3, 12, 15, 3, 1, 8, 20, 13, 13, 7 = 95 (10d20)

>>98163212
I do want to make one.

Rolled 9, 15, 10, 11, 6, 19, 15, 5, 16, 8 = 114 (10d20)

>>98163212
I'm not making one
I just want to see what I'd roll

And so the great rerolling begins...

>>98163212
I kinda want to make one and I do have a concept. But I'm not sure of the details. I'm not sure if I want to make a sireless build or not.
It makes things harder but making 2 characters feels kinda strange. And it would inevitably end up with me building a waifu because anything else just doesn't make sense to me.
>>98163185
>>98163197
The option is more divine intervention. But you can go with whatever, wouldn't be the first time we reflavour options without explicit permission of the cyoa.

Rolled 31, 44, 26, 66, 33, 47, 47, 61, 61, 59, 18, 27, 56, 9, 55, 34, 24, 9, 67, 13 = 787 (20d69)

>they're unaware of the dlc

>>98163255
six seven- WHY ISN'T IT GREEN

>>98162431
>Nosferatu get absolutely 0 cool disciplines
Excuse me? Protean is right there and is one of the cooler disciplines.

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>>98163263
I fucking wish. It's what ultimately made me drop the roll build, I really couldn't cope with just common disciplines. They're just as effective, sure, but the others are so much cooler. I could unlock it but it takes so much blood that it honestly isn't even worth it.

If you do the rolls, but then take something that removes your sire, what happens?

>>98163271
What the fuck? The old version gave them Protean. They are fucking known for Protean too.
>I could unlock it but it takes so much blood that it honestly isn't even worth it.
Does it? If it's the only one you want you can use Accursed Wretch for it. That's what I was planning to do with my build, I'm torn between Protean and Obtenebration.
Another retarded change is that Accursed Wretch can't be used to learn Sorceries anymore. Apparently it's not technically a change, it was always like that and the author just specified it in the update but it still sucks.

>>98163278
You ignore the Sire page when you take the Unnatural Embrace, so you skip the rolls and don't get any Hooks. Technically I don't even think you should be able to retroactively go back and nab those options since deciding to roll locks you into using them since that's what Cursed By the Dice is for, but don't think any one of us cares enough to tell you not to as being without a Sire is already hardmode.

>>98163290
Already taking Accursed Wretch for another discipline. Protean is cool and all but can't beat Serpentis, I'm a huge fan of conditional resiliences.

Sorceries honestly aren't too hard to get through Contracts, you might miss out on the passive learning and discount stacking by having it unlocked and a affinity, but even just unlocking one gives a lot of freebies with one rank free and usually costing Hooks if you don't want to spend the blood on it. Never usually struggled to get what I wanted from there, but then again I only went down 2 branches of a single category at most for my usual builds.

>>98163278
Depends. If you take the curse of the dice you keep the hooks, because they are given by the curse. If you don't then you lose the hooks, because those options tell you to straight up ignore the sire section.
Going no sire is actually a pretty big deal. You lose 3 basic disciplines, so you have half the amount of base disciplines as someone with a sire, and you lose access to a lot of possibilities for more powers via traitas and Behind the Scenes. I think the Contacts have every single discipline, but those cost hooks to learn.

>>98163309
>>98163307
Might go sireless anyway cause hard mode is fun, and this cyoa is huge so it'll save me some time lol

>>98163307
>I only went down 2 branches of a single category at most for my usual builds.
I honestly only want a single one. I never even looked at the contracts when making builds before because I try to not depend on companions in general in cyoas, but in this case it's almost mandatory. Getting stuff from the sire is also not the best for that. I need to look at stuff properly for budgeting to see if my build is viable without a sire, since I want mostly common disciplines so I would have to waste at least 2 Hooks into something the sire gives for free.
>>98163320
Sireless is interesting, especially From Torpor that kinda makes up for it with more blood. But losing the sire honestly takes away way too many things for that to be worth it, and most of those are things blood can't buy. I think I will try it too, but if I give up I will probably end up with a meme of a sire.

I was about to suggest we treat eachother as Contacts and spend Hooks to learn shit from each other instead of the companions, but that doesn't really work since the selection would be too limited.
How do you even get affinity for some the disciplines? How do you get affinity for magic? No clans have it.

>>98163362
Well Banu Haqim has Assamite Sorcery, Tremere has Thaumaturgy, and Giovanni, Lamia, Cappadocians, and Nagaraja have Necromancy. The only one you can't get is Koldunic Sorcery, but that's sort of removed from the whole vampire thing anyway. Most disciplines also have a corresponding clan, with the exception of Bardo I think.

Speaking of which, what clan are the two Koldunic Sorcery contracts anyway. For a second I thought it was the dragon clan but their symbol is outstretched instead of ouroboros style.

>>98163392
Man's really named Banjo Habibi lmao

If we do vtm im making a member of the girls only clan

>>98163403
(male)

>>98163392
I don't know how I missed those. I guess it wouldn't be so bad but it would mean a lot of build updtaes or pre planning.
>what clan are the two Koldunic Sorcery contracts anyway
Not one of the clans you can be, that's for sure.
I think it's supposed to be an offshoot/original version of the Tzimisce (the dragon clan, hence the similarity) a bit like the other dead clans, like True Bruja are to the Bruja.
They are even more dead than the dead clans, those 2 may be literally the only 2 left.

>>98163271
I remember complaints about this back when it was released, the author gave protean to the gangrels. Many were convinced the author swapped them by mistake.

>>98163392
>>98163413
It is old Tzimisce. If you look at the images and description of Kaldrunic Sorcery in the magic page it say it's exclusive to Old Cland Tzimisce, and the image to the left has the same symbol. It's very faint, but it's there.

>>98163212
I really want to make a ventrue build, but I'm debating what gen to pick. Still reading all the powers.

Can we actually post the CYOA if we're gonna talk about and build for it?

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>>98163450
The images are quite large. Could just post random VTMB pics instead.
https://imgchest.com/p/6eyra829g4p

>>98163482
My problem with this is that making a sire and having it be 60% of the build is bad for our thread

Can we just treat them like a difficulty slider or something and pick a generation and hooks or whatever?
6th gen or above ala the books?

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>>98163848
>I don't want a sire
You dropped this, king.

>>98163858
I just saw it woopsies.

Man when did imgchest add these stupid click ads, my blockers aren't stopping them

>>98163482
Should we mess around with Coteries? I assume every member has to choose the same Chronicles, but the benefit is getting an extra selection per member so generally it's going to work out to more points.

Rolled 16, 20, 15, 6, 9, 5, 15, 13, 1, 17 = 117 (10d20)

>>98163889
I definately think we limit generation for yourself to 6 max (5th gen sire)

>>98163904
how about no mudcorefag

>>98163908
mudcore is anything past 12 sire bro.

>>98163904
Eh, don't really see a reason why. That only just blocks a single Generation from being taken, and the mechanical difference at that point is 5 blood and some minor tweaks for Fame and such.

>>98163904
There is no reason to do that.

>>98163927
>>98163925
Its just how the tabletop works is the main reason to limit it there since that one level difference is an insane step up in potential

>>98163982
Looks like all that really changes here is blood points and who you can hit with dominate.

So none of our sires stuff matters, we pick one Attribute and can pay a hook to upgrade it?

>>98164003
Sire stuff does matter, it's just you can opt out with certain Unnatural Embraces.

By default you can choose one Attribute, and you can upgrade an Attribute with a Hook a single time. Just remember that Generations below Ancients get an additional attribute, or two if you go with a Modern Day Sire but that's almost suicide.

>>98164008
Do they get dark gifts, since they get favor?

>>98164021
Do who get Dark Gifts, builds who take Modern Day Sires? I don't think any build is limited in terms of resources as long as you manage to reach the requirements for each tier. If you're tied on a tier you can choose whichever benefits you more. So being on a 5 for Fame lets you pick the 5-10 bracket if you want, while being on 5 for Notoriety allows you to choose 0-5. At least that's as far as I remember the author saying.

Rolled 2 (1d2)

>>98163482
She blooding my thin till I generation

fuck me I've been frying my brain minmaxing the shit out of my Sire. It all started when I couldn't decide what to use my last Hooks on, and spiraled out of control from there. It's like the closer I get to completing my build, the more I start analyzing my choices and take longer on what little is left.

At least I can congratulate myself on holding back and only making them a woman without putting in a height difference and making them in love with me.

>>98164097
why contain it?
embrace the shortstack/giantess

>>98163357
So if you're sireless, you probably want to save a hook or two for getting your Contacts' disciplines I guess?

>>98164101
You know what, there is enough room to pick up Height Difference so that I can afford Attractive... I'll get back to you on that.

Unfortunately Loving Embrace is off the menu because my carefully constructed stack of mental illnesses and quirks I forced on them would instantly topple and explode. It's a delicate balance.

>>98164114
You'd want to do that anyways even with a Sire. Contacts give you some of the most value especially considering Blood Sorcery granting a Rank 1 freebie and discount in the first path you choose.

>>98164083
I hereby grant you Rare Tastes at Bane.
You may only drink from redheads now.

Is Antiquity Beckons and Back to the Ages just worse versions of From Torpor? They all make you an old vampire, but only Torpor seems to give anything of value.

>>98164194
They're specifically setting shifts. By default, you're going to be in the Modern Age no matter who sires you. Those send you back into their respective eras and you're going to keep your Sire.

From Torpor just makes it where you were Embraced during said eras, but just recently woke up from your deep sleep to emerge in the modern world.

>>98164200
If you take Bane of the Sire and From Torpor, do the standard allowances add to or replace each other?

>>98164216
I can't imagine they stack as they are two different flavors of having your Sire die off, whether it's getting smited or you just outlived them. It's hardmode for a reason since you aren't technically beholden to any master but leaves you the most vulnerable with the least amount of resources to fall back on.

>>98164224
That's kind of what I figured, that Torpor would take precedence over Bane since it's the greater of the two.

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>>98163482
https://rentry.co/Vampirecya

My head hurts from this.

>>98164286
>Cammy
You have unlocked the Damsel romance path.

>>98163482
vampires suck

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>>98164453

I'm so tired... I just got done completing my build... but now I have to go and do the Sire's disciplines and other shit....

Fuck it, maybe I'll just do a nurgle's gambit or something tomorrow, it's too late for this.

>>98164569

If everyone ends up being ancient fucks I might bump mine up but realistically most people will be like 12-8 normally so you dont need a super sire.

Inb4 every 4/5th gen in the world is in one city for some reason

>>98164586
Lower gen means more soulless.

>>98164620
Real chads make a human.
The rules support just being a human via a chronicle.
I considered doing it, but I felt like it was suicide.

>>98164586
Class reunion.

>>98164767
imagine the gossip

>>98164620
I'd make a low gen if it could be a sire of another player.

>>98164114
From the point of view of a setting you wanna do that anyway, since unlocking shit makes you stronger in the long run. But since we don't do progression here it's more important for sireless since they get 3 less disciplines.

>>98164792
It could be. You just need to translate your character personality into Traits and Behind The Scenes stuff for the other to take. It doesn't seem that difficult, and it could be a fun way to create character hooks (not the cyoa ones).
I'm tempted to try it myself now, but I was planning to take Infertile Vitae. It wasn't that important so I can probably fit in something else and try it out. I also misread what it did at the time so the mega combo I planned didn't work.

>>98163482
So I couldn't follow the retarded argument last thread and I really don't want to start a new one now. But be straight with me, am I or am I not a jobber if I choose everything myself instead of rolling?

>>98165473
You are not a jobber. The breackdown for that is in last thread but the short version is that, mechanically at least, rolling doesn't give much more than choosing.

The longer version is that the first 2 rolls have no advantage whatsoever, and may even be worse than choosing if you consider the dead clans to be better since those are harder to get by rolling. While the later 2 rolls have the chance to be better since you can get more upgrades, but it's all based on chance. You can get up to 2 more upgraded Traits, and 1 more upgraded Behind the Scenes. If you roll the same things twice it upgrades and doesn't count for your 1 upgrade limit.
It's up to you if you consider this enough of a difference to be called a jobber, I don't think it is. Especially since some Traits are just death sentences, and upgrading them just makes them worse, so having more upgrades isn't always a good thing if you can't control it.

>>98165486
Taking Cursed by Dice to make up for the hooks you missed by not rolling also does use up one of your Unnatural Embrace choices. It costs a hook to unlock that section too.

>>98165534
>It costs a hook to unlock that section too.
2 if you're ancient.
But missing out on those Hooks doesn't make you a jobber anyway. And some of the unnatural embrace options are worth more than those hooks too.
Also, if you plan to ditch your sire you should take cursed by dice anyway, because it gives you hooks for the sections you would otherwise ignore.

>>98165555
Yeah, I just meant that if you roll, you get your free hooks and you get to keep an unnatural embrace option to use on something else.

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>>98157741
I don't imagine Nagomi being the biggest fan of the House of Catacomb since she probably doesn't approve of their casinos and other such businesses. There is a chance that she might try to convince them that supporting her is in their interest, as having more backing for her rise to magistrate is something she could try to secure. Of course, getting access to someone else who plans on showing up is a motive to make an appearance. It's a bad look for someone like her to spend time at a lavish party, so if she goes, it's because she needs something and feels she has a decent chance of getting it.

I'm from cyoag and I haven't been watching this thread for quite some time
I kind of want to know how life has been treating you guys
What's happened? What's happening? How are you? How have you been?
I want to hear about (You) in particular

>>98165663
literally off topic

>>98164286
Neat build but how exactly are we supposed to know what they took since they're going with a clan who isn't in the options making it a pain in the ass to cross reference. We won't really know what type of discipline Spiritus is or what it can really do at that level. Are the + referring to Affinities and if so their clan gives them 4 instead of 3 like everyone else, as I didn't see any alterations that gave an affinity. Also for some options you wrote them just slightly off, like From Embrace instead of what I'm assuming is From Torpor, and Extremely Cursed instead of Cursed Beyond Reason. It's close enough so that I can make assumptions but it's more of a pet peeve.

It's also hard to read if they are an Ancient or Medieval vamp as the Gen says 6, so I assumed the former initially but the build didn't make sense with having an extra Attribute if they were. I'm guessing it's referring to choosing the option that says 6th Gen which is actually about the Sire, so they're a 7th Gen.

>>98165870
I was about to wtite the same thing. What the fuck is Spiritus? What gen is she?
It's a cool build I guess, but there are so many strange things about it.

>>98165870
>>98165922
Also, are we making a build and taking the rewards in advance? Because there's no way she has all those Ancient disciplines otherwise.

>>98165927
Personally what I'm choosing to do. It'd only matter if we decided to do Coteries so we can use them as actual plot hooks, but I think it's easier to just make them upfront to not worry too much.

Rolled 8, 7, 19, 15, 8, 3, 11, 10, 7, 4, 5, 18, 4, 9, 18, 13, 9, 16, 16, 4 = 204 (20d20)

Seeking inspiration.

>>98166039
Okay, I'm slowly going down my rolls, and Inconnu stumps me especially as a 9th gen (I used the first d20 as a roll for the sire's gen). Wiki tells me:
>Generational age (the proximity in generation to Caine) is one of the deciding qualifications for membership within the Order. (A generation of six or older has been set.)
Can I just ignore that part and treat the character as some low rank peon of Inconnu, or would it be better to "reroll" and grab the next roll (15, so Anarch) or refit the generation to keep it canon compliant?

>>98166154
You can just be a member since you rolled for it, you bypass any sort of requirements. I think shifting around rolls makes things kind of iffy since there aren't supposed to be rerolls, and also no one is going to care enough about canon unless you try to become the leader of one of the existing factions or something.

>>98166171
Alright, Inconnu it is then.

What would Dulled Fangs + Permanent Fangs be like? I'm surprised they aren't marked as incompatible.

>>98166235
Even if dulled fangs are like an 8th of an inch long, you can still technically retract them I guess. Permanent negates even that retraction.

>>98166235
it wouldn't be a proper mp without free points.

>>98166235
Very long but oddly flat canines. Like another pair of incisors but where the canines should be. Very strange to look at.

>>98163482
If I want wings, do I have to take Protean or Vicissitude? Because Protean is about transforming, but I don't know if it grows new limbs. Does it give you a tail? Does it give you a pair of wings on your back or does it turn your arms into wings?

The deeper into this cyoa I get, the less I feel like it can work as an MP. Too much of it is tied to stuff outside the character itself (Sire, Contacts, Chronicles).

>>98166390
thats why trveCHADs go sireless obviously

So nothing is happening?
Nothing has happened?
Who even are you?
What is this place?
Where am I?

>>98165663
I'll tell you what's happening:
Gay sex is at an all time high
Nothing else to report

>>98166445
why are we letting malkavians post in this thread, we should round them all up and burn them

>>98166445
Dementiabro...

>>98163482
Seeing as the only existing build (>>98164286) used a clan not in the cyoa, are we good to do that? Just pay the Obscure prices for any new powers?

>>98166513
So long as you're using clans that actually exist and you take the disciplines they have in their most recent printing, I dont see why not.

>>98166510
You have no idea who I am
Or who I amn't, for that matter

Rolled 11, 8, 18, 13, 18, 10, 8, 20, 11, 2 = 119 (10d20)

dice+10d20

yay dice

>>98166827
blud covered all his bases

Rolled 11, 13, 20, 1, 10, 8, 6, 9, 8, 9 = 95 (10d20)

>>98166841
luv me dice

Rolled 3, 12, 10, 11, 19, 11, 6, 14, 17, 18 = 121 (10d20)

>>98163482

what's the best source of hooks
I'm currently severely hook starved

>>98167039
rolling and Impairments of the blood

>>98167039
bait shop

>>98167039
You have a strong urge to fish, but you lack fishing gear, so you must journey to the Pro Bass Ship Great Pyramid of Power to acquire fishing gear.

What sort of fishing gear does your character get? What kind of fish are they fishing for and what is their preferred fishing method?

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>>98163482
>Name: Warren Chambers
>Generation: 7th
>Clan: Ravnos
>Organization: Anarch Movement

>Unnatural Embrace:
Repentance of the Beast
Hand of Forgiveness
Cursed By The Dice
Accursed Wretch
Blush of Health
Early Riser
>Impairments of the Blood:
Dulled Bite
Talentless Morsel
Potent of the Blood
>Curses:
The Sun Tier 1
Fire Tier 1
Manifestation Tier 3 Bane
True Name Tier 1 Bane
Vice Tier 1
Salacious Tier 2 Bane

>Disciplines:
>Common:
Auspex [Fledgling]
Celerity [Fledgling]
Dominate [Fledgling]
Fortitude [Ancilla]
Obfuscate [Fledgling]
Potence [Fledgling]
Presence [Fledgling]
Animalism [Fledgling]
>Rare:
Obtenebration [Fledgling]
Quietus [Fledgling]
Chimestry [Ancient]
Serpentis [Elder]
Daimonion [Fledgling]
>Obscure:
Temporis [Fledgling]
Mytherceria [Fledgling]
Valeren [Neonate]
Melpominee [Fledgling]

>Blood Sorcery
>Thaumaturgy:
Elemental Mastery Rank 2
>Koldunic Sorcery:
Way Of Fire Rank 2
>Necromancy:
Sepulchre Path Rank 1
>Assamite Sorcery:
Awakening of the Steel Rank 3

>Attributes:
Mind
Social (Upgraded)
Appearance
>Abilities:
Awareness
Expression
Streetwise
Subterfuge
Etiquette
Larceny
Melee
Law
Occult

A nobody whose dabbling in the supernatural took a dark turn when the supernatural came looking for him. Now, he's stuck between the world he knew and the world he's now forced into, and neither side are very pleased to see him. Still, even if it weren't for the particulars of his Embrace and the resulting ailments and advantages it brought, it probably wouldn't have mattered anyway. It's a ruthless place where letting your guard down for a single moment might find yourself sucked dry of everything you thought you had and more. Really no different then what he's used to. Unprofessional to a fault, he does the bare minimum to tread the line of too important to kill yet not important enough to pay close attention to. It takes real skill to walk that tightrope, but when it comes to what he does, he's the best there is.

Rentry:
https://rentry.org/xkddi2q4

>>98167152
Someone audit this... feels like WAY too many points

>>98167288
and it's not a cute girl so it can't be excused

>>98167288
I'd welcome it because I almost went insane double and triple checking it for every single modification I made, especially when it came to tweaking the Sire traits. It's why I made all the numbers and options alongside what corresponded with what in the build visible because it's directly off of what I was working on.

Far as I know, the Hooks should check out, and the only options that chose blood besides the Unnatural Embraces should be Fortitude, Chimestry, Serpentis, Valeren, 1 Rank of Elemental Master, and 2 Ranks in Awakening of the Steel for a total of 25 blood. I did just briefly check again and realized I had it as -23 Blood Total in the Rentry but the calc's should still work out since I always went line by line.

>>98167297
I deeply apologize, but they ran out of cute girl face claims in the supermarket so I had to grab this one from the dumpster. At least it was free!

>>98167039
Rolling and impairments, as was already said. If you don't use the impairments to get more unnatural embrace choices they also give Hooks and blood on top of what they already give. Deep Sleeper is probably the one choice other than curse of the dice that gives the most Hooks, up to 4. You can also play a more recent gen, those give hooks.
And we are taking the rewards from Chronicles upfront so there are a couple more hooks there.

Have you guys made any big OCs since the split? Please spoon-feed me, I am desperate.

>>98167288
Nta, but looking at it he listed all the stuff he has unlocked, not the stuff he spent points on. Fledgling isn't a tier shown in the cyoa, it doesn't cost points, the first rank shown that you pay for is neonate, so all those, as impressive as they are too look at, are free, or rather he paid hooks for them, not blood. They also do almost nothing since the cyoa has no description for them.

>>98167484
>since the split
>please
Too little too late.

>>98167484
Big? I don't know. But there were several. There is no reason to spoonfeed you however, because I know fro a fact that every single cyoa posted here made its way to cyoag too at some point so it would be nothing new.

Rolled 15, 3, 7, 6, 12, 12, 1, 10, 3, 18 = 87 (10d20)

>>98167039
roll dice

get hook

simple as

>>98167339
Are you the Serpentis guy? I wasn't expecting potentialman to go with it. It's an interesting build to see, even if all those fledgling disciplines are confusing to look at and make it look like you spent a lot more points than you did.

>>98167601
hehe
serpenis

>>98167501
Thank you for explaining this to a humble ghoul like myself.

>>98167613
hehehe

>>98167039
I'm having the opposite problem, I don't know what to do with all the hooks I'm getting.

>>98167601
As in the person who kept saying how much they liked Serpentis? Yeah, I am. I didn't intend to make it so sporadic originally but those last 2 Hooks I had at that point made me go insane and it eventually went down the route of getting as much Contracts as possible so I can use them all up. Now that I'm finished with it, I can step back and say I really could've just used those Hooks on more Blood Sorceries and saved myself the trouble. Corpse in the Monster caught my eye and the build might've gone for that if it wasn't for the mess I ended up going for.

>>98167714
Don't go down the route I did. Just get like a few solid contracts and invest the rest into Sorceries or Dark Gifts. It's a pain in the ass if you keep trying to make ways you can spend them otherwise and it tacked on hours for what started as a relatively simple build.

>>98165927
Read the CYOA again

>>98167730
>Yeah, I am
Cool, I see you decided to go with a sire in the end. Maybe gping for magic would have been better, still this guy has the potential to be really strong, in some millenia's time. Such a shame the world is going to end before he gets anywhere with that.
>Don't go down the route I did.
Oh, that's me. I have 2 routes in front of me. 1, I just take less hooks, I'm exploring that one right now. 2, I make magic man, which could also be fun.
3, I switch to Ancient sire. I plan to go sireless anyway, so it could work. I liked the idea of being a sire for other builds, but I guess I would need to coordinate with someone else before choosing the gen, since it needs to be the right one for the other anon.

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Is Monstrous Visage like, "you look spooky and evil", or like "you look like pic related or something equally severe"?

>CYOA specifically says you get the rewards
>Mudcorefags still try to make it so you dont get the rewards for your missions

>>98167846
Far, far more hideous than this.This is far too fuckable.

>>98167806
Anon, how did she get 53 blood without the missions upfront? And that's just the disciplines, I didn't check the unnatural embrace and impairments yet. This is also without knowing how much the fucking Spiritus discipline costs, but it's at least 9 more. Where does all that blood come from?

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>>98167879
So more like this?

>>98167893
It specifically says you get the rewards upfront mudcorefag

>>98167897
That's more normal than the first one

>>98167893
Affinity reduces the cost of each level so that commons are 10 for ancient and stuff.

>>98167921
That's not the point I was trying to make. First of all, you're wrong, they can be used to "reserve" future upgrades, which means they happen later.
But that's not the point. The point is that she cannot afford all that stuff without the rewards.
In fact she cannot afford them even with the rewards. I just did the math, she has 39 points without missions (and this is assuming max gains where possible and 5th gen sire) and 47 with missions.
With the listed options in the build she should have spent 55 blood if we assume Spiritus is an Obscure/Rare discipline or 54 if it's Common. She's still overbudget even with missions.
And the build is a mess to even look at and undestand.

>>98167846
That looks fine for monstrous visage. Anything that counts as being unable to live in human society.
Give him attractive if you're no sure, that should balance it.

I'm a cuck
I'm a mudcore
What the hell is fun doing here
It don't belong here

>>98167940
I know, I took that into consideration, I did the math. I gave her as many points as possible where it was vague and she still comes up short.

>>98168007
NTA but I had brought up how terribly formatted it was originally and had attempted to take a stab at calc'ing it but genuinely didn't even know where to start. I'm pretty sure she's actually 7th Gen with a 6th Gen sire as it was the only way to make her Attributes and Hooks work, as I assume she converted essentially every spare Hook into Dark Gifts and checked it could technically work out. It does take a lot of assumption on the rest of her build though. She has 4 affinities which is already one more than any other clan, but even still the math as you said doesn't really work out, cause on the lower generation she'd only have 40 blood left after Unnatural Embrace/Impairments, but 46 needed for Disciplines.

>>98168094
>I'm pretty sure she's actually 7th Gen with a 6th Gen sire as it was the only way to make her Attributes and Hooks work
I didn't even check that, my calculations are purely on the blood side, giving the benefit of the doubt to everything else and assuming as much blood as possible, and it still doesn't work.
I assumed that she took the upgraded version of Cursed Beyond Reason (Which is listed wrong) for +6 blood total, assumed she only swapped curses once with Unlikely Alterations to minimize the cost, and gave her the budget of an ancient. But even then, as you said, it doesn't work.
For the Attributes issue, Ideal vessel has an option that gives you Appearance if you take a curse, so that part checks out if we assume she's actually a 7th gen, but then the blood issue is even worse since she would have less blood.
I can try to audit the hooks too, that shouldn't take too long. But what really baffles me is the social stats, since she has no sire they should be fixed, but they somehow aren't, I have no idea how it got to that point.

>>98168233
For the Fame/Notoriety it’s just them taking No Introduction and Tech Companies + Morgue dropping Notoriety by 6 all together. You could say that they technically shouldn’t have taken any of the Initial Impressions since it has to do either how your Sire presented you to the rest of the vamps, but honestly it doesn’t affect anything because they only used it to tank their fame which doesn’t even matter due to not taking any contracts.

>>98168233
Honestly I don't even know what I did. Ill try to fix it if we actually want to do this, and ill list spiritus out if we get to that point.

I thought we got free skills from attributes, maybe I got an extra attribute somewhere?
So much going up and down the page I probably got lost somewhere.

>>98163229
>>98163904
>>98166039
>>98166857
>>98167591
How many of these do you think are going to make it as builds. I vote 4/5 anons blew their brains out after they got to their Sire traits which leaves one possible survivor up in the air.

>>98168493
Not going to lie, I've rolled three times now and every time the sire has been an absolute sack of uninteresting schitzo.

Choosing three impairments of the blood means you choose up to six unnatural embraces right?

>>98168493
I gave it a shot anon, even tried dice curse to salvage it afterward, but I just don't see this MP being fun at all.

>>98168518
Oh hey there guy whos always raging about "fun", how you doing

>>98168507
You know you can just take the Cursed by Dice option and save yourself the grief...

Or just like, roll everything but your sire's traits. It's a per section basis.

>>98168516
Yeah long as you don't decide to go for the alternative for bonus hooks and blood.

>>98168518
Well can't blame you if it doesn't click, different strokes for different folks. One day you'll get to enjoy fangers, maybe in another place, or another time...

>>98168493
As one of those, I'm among that 4.

>>98168521
Can you just jump in front of a train already?

>>98168342
>You could say that they technically shouldn’t have taken any of the Initial Impressions since it has to do either how your Sire presented you to the rest of the vamps, but honestly it doesn’t affect anything because they only used it to tank their fame which doesn’t even matter due to not taking any contracts.
I guess that's mostly it. You should ignore that whole section if you have no sire. But Dark Gifts do affect Notoriety, I missed that part, I didn't really look at that part of the cyoa often.
>>98168348
Good to see you still here. I'm in the middle of making a build too, but I guess it's better to wait a bit and see if the run takes off before the fixes are necessary.
>I thought we got free skills from attributes, maybe I got an extra attribute somewhere?
You mean Abilities? Then yes, you get 3 base, and 1 for each Attribute you have (but it has to be an Ability of that Attribute). You have 2 Attributes from your gen, and you appear to have taken the cursed version of Ideal Body which gives you Appearance for free. That would total to 6 Abilities, you have 7. Maybe you got confused with your upgraded Attribute, but that doesn't apply, you only get bonus Abilities for each base Attribute, you don't get more if you upgrade.

>>98168516
You can, or you can take some Hooks and blood for them instead. You don't have to.

So who gets the free common discipline when you choose a generation?
Is it you or your sire? Because the wording is ambiguous.

>>98168613
>Maybe you got confused with your upgraded Attribute, but that doesn't apply, you only get bonus Abilities for each base Attribute,

This is what happened.

>>98168629
I mean, whatever your Sire has, you have by extension.

>>98168635
Which makes the 'You are the Sire' option really confusing

>>98168643
Why? The moment they turned you, you got access to everything they had. Doesn't matter if they died instantly after, or even if you chose the option that meant they died in the past and you woke up after a long torpor, as ultimately you were sired at one point by a living vamp. When you're choosing Sire options its retroactively shifting what they already had, not what they get after they embraced you, so it'll always trickle down to you getting it.

>>98168629
That's a good question. Everyone has been treating it as you sire unlocking it, and until last version that didn't matter. But it is a bit vague.
>>98168635
But that would be important for the sireless options. Losing those disciplines can be a pretty big problem, that's at least 3 Hooks saved if you needed them.
I guess we could go either way for our run.
>>98168643
>'You are the Sire' option
What? Where is that? I don't think that's an option. Unless you mean the proposal that was being talked about in the thread, but that's not an option in the cyoa, it would be a house rule.

>>98168652
Nta. Lore wise, you are absolutely right, that is how it works. Turning means you drank the blood, and the way you pass on knowledge is by drinking blood, so you should have those things. Mechanics wise, that's not how it works, because as we already know Sylen is retarded. I don't remember what his answer was, but I do remember people complaining about the same thing back when the update came out, maybe I should go archive diving to find it, but I really don't want ton because Sylen is known to be a no fun allowed moron that makes every cyoa of his worse with every WoG.

>>98168658
Read the cyoa again you missed it by the age options.

>>98168574
Can you quit astroturfing everything you don't like as no fun?

>>98168658
>>98163858

>>98168692
He tried to play the cyoa and didn't find it fun. Seriously, can you choke to death you schizoid freak?

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Okay so you only get the blood.
Your sire is the one that gets the disciplines.

>>98168699
Methinks the lady doth protest too much

>>98168733
Methinks you're everything wrong with this general and you should have your fingers broken

>>98168691
You mean the generations options? It's not there. Where exactly is the "You are the sire" option? What page? Where in the page?
>>98168693
That's to get rid of your sire, not to replace them.

>>98168728
Which is retarded for the lore, but what can we do about that?

>>98168753
You want some sauce with that upsetti spaghetti mr fun police?

>>98168699
Nta but the point isn't that he didn't find the cyoa fun, he said the whole MP wouldn't be fun. That was taken as saying "it sucks and will never start".

>>98168760
I want you to have your eyes picked out by griffon vultures.

>>98168777
I get that you're mad at the sight of something that isn't capes or weeb stuff or whatever and you're trying to undermine it, but you gotta relax man. Learn to enjoy some other games.

>>98168777
>griffon vultures.
My mind just imagined something completely different from what it probably is.
I just imagined something similar to the cocatrice from Dragon's Dogma, if you know what that looks like.
Nta.

>>98163482
This CYOA is a pain in the ass holy fuck. I remember when you guys were complaining about the Platinum Age for stuff like this.

...I'll still make a build.

>>98168793
>I remember when you guys were complaining about the Platinum Age for stuff like this.
Wanna know something fun? It's by the same guy!
Platinum Age is at least 2 times worse still.

>>98167152
All the auditing talk made me realize Unnatural Embrace gives 3 blood, so now I have to decide what to add. Think I might go a little bit into Daimonion since nothing bad ever happens when you decide to involve demons. I think it has good synergy with Chimestry too if I wanted to make some fucked handcrafted illusions, but the hellfire seems redundant with regular fire. Maybe it provides a good midway point though, since the difference between Rank 1 and Rank 2 is superheating air or summoning actual magma.

Alternatively could pick up a Neonate rank in one of the other Rare/Obsure Disciplines I have but they don't really provide as much at their initial rank, besides Temporis which is actually pretty busted but it's busted at all ranks. There's also the choice of getting Elemental Mastery Tier 3 for a spirit. I'm not familiar with the setting so I had to look at the wiki, and they all seem pretty solid. Except for Atomic Spirits, they seem fucking absurd.

>>98168793
Yeah it's pretty beefy but I vastly prefer it over Platinum Age since we don't have to worry about setting options affecting every build since all the Sire options and such will only affect our own circumstances.

>>98168773
>That was taken as saying "it sucks and will never start".
1. He took it that way because he is an ESL retard who doesn't understand words.
2. Anon making a prediction about the success of the MP instead of giving his opinion on how much he'd enjoy it still wouldn't validate the ridiculous schizo behavior this annoying faggot displays every fucking time someone expresses disinterest in a MP suggestion. Nothing was astroturfed. No one is out to get you people. Not everyone wants to see you fail. Some anons just don't like the same exact things as you. I am so tired of mentally ill freaks refusing to be normal about make believe games. Just say "that sucks" the way this guy >>98168523 did like functional human.

>>98168777
imagine groin vultures

>>98168793
>>98168803
Sylen openly admitted that cyoas to him are a puzzle to be solved, so that's why they are so complicated.

>>98168811
Holy crashout, batman

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>>98168793
Do it for her.

Hear me out.
Toreador who's totally in love with and is super passionate about AI art.

>>98168811
nta but weve all seen the shonen defense force at work more than once calling things unfun

>>98168789
Like this. No one is trying to undermine the cyoa people are actively discussing their build process for. That doesn't even make sense. It isn't even possible. I am telling you, the annoying schizo retard, to fucking die. You specifically need to die, because you suck.

>>98168821
>posts the unequivocally WORST girl
anon, you must really want this mp to never take off

>>98168828
I mean I can't really blame them for being so reactionary when there were in fact people outright trying to strangle it in its crib by saying every pitched cyoa as not happening.

Are their current reactions a bit heavyhanded and undeserved, sure, but it's not necessarily being schizo about it when it was happening just the previous thread.

>>98168828
>the lord of the blood pressure is posting this and calling anyone else schizo

Kek.

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>>98168801
That's fucking hilarious this was made by the same person. They must enter some insane flow states to create stuff like this.

>>98168821

There is only one girl for me anon. The Anarchy will cleanse the dogs of the Camarilla and zealots of the Sabbat.

>>98168828
This is the least convincing smokescreen of all time man. You're on too many levels of falseflagging, you've gone too deep.

>>98168837
>doesn't know what schizo means
ESL die

>>98168836
This. We had like 50 or 60 posts of people doing their level best to put the boot to absolutely everything. Maybe more, most of the thread was worthless garbage by the end.

>>98168836
It is being schizo. The fact that freaks like him act this way is 100x worse than shitposters making throwaway jokes about something they don't care about who are almost guaranteed to FOMO post a build as soon as an idea gets traction anyways. These faggots with a victim complex are the biggest losers in the entire general and make the whole place suck more with their presence.

>>98168867
What are you even talking about. All I'm seeing is you losing your absolute shit in post after post.

>>98168871
You would understand if you took English lessons. That wouldn't fix your mental illness though, so I suggest you walk into oncoming traffic instead.

>>98163482
I'm not really into this, but I hope the anons that play it have a good time.

>>98168843
Damsel is 100% tsundere for cammies though.

>>98168867
Well you kind of left me without a response because I do think this is a bit overboard. People don't say anything when there's constant negativity over doing literally anything, but as soon as someone lashes back over it, it gets this sort of vitriol. If the former got ignored, why bother giving a shit about the so called victim complex anons.

Like I said, their reaction was over the top and undeserved but it wasn't something completely out of the blue when you look at conversations not even a day ago over the similar topics. Like what does any of this really do for the thread at this point? I'm not saying kiss and make up but it's like the only solution you got right now is arguing until someone leaves the thread and we all know that's not happening.

>>98168886
Just gonna keep repeating yourself over and over to make sure this thread also rushes to bump limit again, huh? I guess it'll work eventually if you're really this mad about vampires.

>>98168871
It's the same guy obsessed with hating ESLs, so most of the thread.

>>98168886
There's rustled jimmies, and then there's this.

>>98168905
It'd be nice if he wasn't smearing the shit in his diaper all over the thread, but no hope of that I see.

>>98168900
No one reacts with that much hostility unless they're doing damage control.

>>98163482
I will join on the fun, but just for the faction.

Rolled 11 (1d20)

>>98168926
I fucked up the comand, it's been a while.

>>98168933
omae wa mou

shinderu

>>98168967
What, why? Isn't the Camarilla the most popular faction? The "good guys" of the setting? Or at least the ones with most power.

>>98168984
More like the faction with the most NERDS. Look at these guys hiding under the umbrella of the Ivory Tower! It's like they think they're a bunch of bats instead of the Kindred we really are. Talk about lame!

>>98163482
How bad is True Name? I get the implications if someone learns it, but are there some hidden aspects of it that make it worse than it looks? What does "your true name is always at the tip of your lips" mean? Are you just constantly muttering this string of esldritch sounds when idle?

>>98169000
Not as bad as a blood bond probably.

>>98168900
The former doesn't get ignored. You are imagining something that doesn't happen. People constantly complain about the negativity here, and it has gotten to the point that schizos form conspiracies by default every single time someone gives a less than shining endorsement of whatever crap they happened to pitch this time. The schizo behavior exacerbates all negativity. The general for choosing your own adventure with other people becomes defined by paranoia towards those very same people. Hostility increases because apparently the anons you are trying to collaborate with do not act in good faith. In the schizo mind, the only one who wants to do the thing we are all here to do is himself. Anyone who disagrees with him must be working to further some incompressible agenda. And their retarded behavior will always be justified because they got trolled the previous thread or something. Why the fuck would anyone still frequent this general if it was really the way these schizos believe it to be?

What's worse, is any chance one of these mentally ill retards may have to reflect will be immediately snuffed out by their delusional excuses. No one wants to play their MP suggestion? Must be because someone called it mid or said mudcore too many times. It can't be because they put no thought into what would actually work for MP or what other people like. And even when something does get a bit of traction, the moment someone says they tried but didn't think they'd find the MP to be fun, they are immediately classified as a member of the sinister cabal trying to take this place down. Who the fuck wants to deal with that just to play a collaborative make believe game? All schizo must die.

>>98169009
OK, AI.

>>98169000
It probably just means that you aren't going to ever forget it as it's quite literally your existence etched onto reality.

>>98169007
Hey man, I can stop any time I want. You see people take single hits of that shit and they're fine. I'm not going to be like of those weak willed servants, not me.
Update: So I ended up becoming a servant.

>>98169009
Jesus christ man I'm not sure if it's going to help saying stuff is schizo when you start blasting off like this. I mean seriously, constantly saying people should die for something as small as this? I get where we are but seriously it's a bit much. At this point the original reaction that got us here to this point has been well eclipsed, it's now being mad about the idea it represents.

>>98169030
It is not about the individual instance. I do not know how I could have made this any clearer to you. These aren't trolls, so you can't ignore them the way you would with trolls. They are a malignant tumor that needs to die. Everything that sucks will continue to get worse until they do, so tell them to die.

Fuck dice.
Everyone should just take cursed by dice for the 4 hooks and play whatever they want.

>>98169074
>It is not about the individual instance.
Dude, I get that, trust me it's VERY clear. But you are literally letting it fester and poison your mind and actions, because that's not a good reason at all. Like looking back at the chain it took one response to instantly tell them to die. It really is not that significant, both in the current matter and the issue that you think it represents.

>>98169085
Play whatever I want? Sure! I ain't playing this slop.

>>98169093
I have not done any of those things. I am using this language voluntarily. And it apparently isn't clear to you, because you're still under the impression that it took only a single response to tell them to die. I was never responding to only this single instance.

>common, rare, and obscure disciplines have 4 powers each
>thaumaturgy alone has 64 powers
What the fuck...

Rolled 8, 20, 5, 17, 13, 4, 19, 10, 4, 10 = 110 (10d20)

>>98163482
I already decided to take cursed by dice, this is to convince me to not do it.

>>98168984
I was just messing with you for messing things up

>>98169094
Hey look its the shut it all down guy again

Funny how he shows up now

>>98168233
So what'd we figure out, -1 skill and -1 attribute?
Hooks are real simple since i p much only spent them in one spot
Shes Gen 6, she has no sire in the picture.

>>98169127
You guys can play without me though, it's fine.
I won't have to wait long for the next MP lmao

>>98169113
That's exactly what I mean though, you're dealing with that response as though you're dealing with the tumor as you call it. I can understand it just fine, I just think that's a terrible way to go about things because it's treating everything as extensions of the same issue. The end result is a bunch of extremely vitriolic posts for what, because I'm not sure this is actually accomplishing an end goal the way you say it should work out.

>>98169117
welcome to VTM

Being a tremere sucks ass btw you get auto blood bonded to like your entire clan and two sips is all it takes you mindfuck you into a ntr hentai girl level of obsession with someone. One for your clan members.

>>98169113
Yeah we know youre talking that way voluntarily, you're having a great time wasting posts by larping as whatever flavor of psycho this currently is

>>98169117
Isn't it like 16 each with 3 ranks, so it'd be 48?
But yeah Thaumaturgy is pretty good. I consider all of the Blood Sorceries extremely good since they're pretty easy to get into and unlocking is the equivalent of an Affinity for any other discipline. Plus you can actually stack a real affinity which can make you incredibly strong for relatively cheap. Path of Blood is extremely strong for a fundamental type path, and it only takes 4 blood for Tier 3 if you have it as your primary.

Of course there's always the chance to get no sold by willchads or Magic Resistance users but up until that point it's a pretty sweet ride.

>>98169134
What you think is effective doesn't mean terribly much to me right now, since whatever it is you are doing hasn't gotten rid of them. I am accomplishing exactly what I wish to, which is making it clear that they should die. Everyone else should do the same. Once you rightly come to the same conclusion, you're free to join me!

>>98169009
trvthnvke
spit yo shit king

>>98169129
>Shes Gen 6
As in Ancient? Or Medieval? That's the big distinction here.
If Ancient it's -2 skills, -1 Attribute
If Medival just -1 skill because you do have 3 bonus ones. Ideal Form does give an Attribute.
You spent 10 Hooks if Medieval, and you have 9, so one less Hook to use there.
If Ancient it's 11 hooks, since Unnatural Embrace costs 2, so you are missing 2 Hooks.
The blood cost is a whole other mess. If she's Ancient then it's good, as long as you take out Spiritus. If Medieveal you are short 1 point.

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>>98169187
-2 skills then.
Also I see the problem, the quest section says to reserve them for the future after it says you get them instantly.

Weve never managed quest progression in a MP so I say just let people have their rewards since they add more variety.

My eyes had glazed over by this point in the cyoa so I didnt read the rest.

I almost finished my build, but now I must sleep. Maybe when I wake up I will no longer want to use a very stupid idea I had.

>>98163482

What are the vampiric clans with the strongest aura and those with the lamest aura

>>98169278
Ventrue are elites.
Tremere are nerds.
Toreador are theatre kids.
Nosferatu are losers.
Brujah are communists.
Gangrel are hillbillies.
Malkavians are crazies.

The rest are irrelevant nobodies.
As for who has the most aura, obviously Ventrue. Their whole schtick is that they command respect, shrug off all attacks, and give orders.

>>98169317
>Toreador are theatre kids.
theatre kids are dorks tho
Toreador are sexy and seductive

>>98169326
When a girl writes you poetry and tells you how much she loves you it's endearing.
When a guy does it, it's gay.

>>98169335
what if one of the two femanons were written poetry by a guy?

>>98169348
Then it has to be a young guy with the Shakespearean vibes necessary to make it work. Otherwise it's still gay.

>>98169162
You're not doing a great job selling your point here, man. I've rarely met someone so smugly up their own ass.

>>98169335
endearing isn't sexy or seductive
it only works for either sex if they are hot and not dorks
theatre kids don't fit

>>98169356
Instead of you goading me into calling you dim and lacking in self awareness, how about I keep telling schizos to die and you come and join me once you catch up?

I wish I was up anon's ass

I feel like the only way I complete a build for this is if I make the Sire my waifu.

I looked at a few and saw some that looked neat but I can't imagine how imagine how I'd afford even one. I haven't fully read it though, since I look at powers first and build from there.

>>98169717
manipulative abusive toxic goth mommy sire

>>98169731
>mommy
Because of the cyoa stating that you've been recently embraced even if low gen, unless you take Torpor and then no Sire, I am considering making it somewhat incestous, with the Sire replacing her Kindred-Husband when he reaches true death by embracing one of his descendants from back when he was human. Possibly with the first husband being her own when they were still alive, and the future ones being her own multiple times great grandsons as well. I wonder if that's enough to qualify for the Depraved trait.

>>98168675
Explain sireless vampires then? Clanless? Fact is, you clearly dont know the lore. You do NOT have access to those things, unless the ways are taught to you by your sire. That is the actual lore. They are explained as traditions that demand blood passage. That is the actual rulebook definition.

Can Sires have their free Disciplines be Sorcery?

Rolled 4, 2, 6, 18, 5, 13, 19, 8, 16, 14, 1, 3, 8, 14, 4, 11, 7, 1, 16, 18, 8 = 196 (21d20)

Okay, maybe this way it'll make more sense. With Cursed by the Dice, I can roll and reject the roll, and I don't get the hooks from it, but if I keep it, I can still benefit from stuff like bypassing some requirements and other random benefits besides hooks, right?

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Can someone explain this to me?

Rolled 9 (1d20)

For allegiance

>>98170209
You can't spend points on a discipline unless either your sire has it or you buy a contact that has it
If you're getting it through a contact then you need to spend a hook to unlock it
Then after all of that you can start spending points on that discipline

>>98170289
Thanks. One more question: How do the Attribute Upgrades work, especially when combined with generations that require an upgrade for the Sire's attribute? Do I have to pay a hook for Sire's upgrade separately from myself?

>>98170305
If the Sire requires upgraded attributes, then choose one attribute they have and upgrade it. No additional cost.

>>98170088
Aren't those free Disciplines specified as "Common Disciplines"?

>>98170088
No, despite the info box saying that they are treated as disciplines the author said that they are separate. They are a separate category from Common/Rare/Obscure, and unless specified they can't be taken.
>>98170102
No, if you take cursed by the dice you reject all benefits of rolling, so even if you had a good roll you can't use it. It's all or nothing.
>>98170348
Yes. But Blood Sorcery is arguably also common as a whole so I can see the misunderstanding there. As I already said however it doesn't count.

>>98170209
I just noticed, it says you spend 1 hook to unlock the "Disciplines" plural. So do you spend 1 hook and get every discipline that contact knows or do you have to spend 1 hook for every individual discipline?

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>>98170364
>No, if you take cursed by the dice you reject all benefits of rolling, so even if you had a good roll you can't use it. It's all or nothing.
Are you sure? Because it specifies you "may" ignore the results after rolling, not that you have to avoid rolling overall, and it only mentions not getting hooks.

>>98170348
>>98170364
Damn. Is there any way for Sires to have sorcery then?

>>98170394
Be from the clan that has them or take the Scholastic trait from what I see.

>>98170376
I remember the author saything that's how it works. It's an option put in out of spite for those that complained about rolling in the first version, so it would make no sense for it to let you benefit from rolls after you reject them.
>>98170394
A couple of edge cases.
The Scholastic Trait and its upgrade gives your sire Blood Sorceries.
Of course being from a clan that has it would mean they have it, but then so would you already.
Caitiff means that your sire is technically a different clan from yours, so they could have different disciplines, which includes sorceries if the clan is right.
I think that's about it, since sires don't have hook or companions to learn from.

>>98170400
Damn. Hooks it is then. Thanks

>>98170421
Tbh, the benefits would still rely on the roll and aren't many, just no risk if you don't keep it. Basically bypassing the bloodline requirement for an organization you may roll, and a chance at an additional trait upgrade if you roll dubs in that roll, maybe even multiple times and you don't pick the trait.

People who can do magic and arent in the tremere clan are basically hunted down by wizard deathsquads because they want an iron grip on it.
But being a tremere is even worse. You get bloodbound to your entire clan or some shit and get mindbroken levels of blood bond in two sips.

Nobody *EXPECTS* anyone but them to have magic so it becomes a powerful surprise if say your random fuckass caitiff 13th gen can cast a fifth level fire column that deals aggravated damage and forces a rotschrek check that they cant pass.

Goddamn, there is really a lot of space for minmaxing here. You don't need your soul to be really intact, right?

>>98170434
Anon, this isn't the ttrpg. And in the cyoa a bunch of clans have the sorcery.

>>98170440
perfect for anon, now he can lack soul in the game and out of the game

>>98170440
>You don't need your soul to be really intact, right?
What did you do anon?
Anyway, you're a vampire, your soul was already damned to begin with, so go for it, whatever it is.
Unless you want to cure yourself after with the path to Gloconda, but I think we banned that for this run.

>>98170451
Elder Daimonion + Cursed Beyond Reason

One more question, because I don't see the price anywhere, upgrading the Sire's Trait/Behind the Curtain is free, right?

>>98170430
I mean, we could rule it that way, but the intent of the option is all or nothing. I don't have a problem with it personally, but maybe the rest of the thread does.

>>98170463
Yes, it's free but you are limited to 1 per section, unless you rolled it.

>>98170470
Okay, thanks.
There is an option for another one with Favourable Beginnings btw.

>>98163482
Be honest anons, who isn't going to use the unnatural embrace section?

So, are we including rewards for the chronicles from the start, or are we listing them as reserved? If it's the latter, does the reward have to be spent incrementally, or could I get stuff I could have gotten with the increased budget from the get go? Example: Coven of Woe grants a rank 2 path in a Sorcery you have. Can I use that on a path I already had at rank 1 using a hook, and then move that refunded hook to upgrade another path I had on rank 1 to rank 2?

>>98170576
>So, are we including rewards for the chronicles from the start, or are we listing them as reserved?
I think the general consensus right now is to just take them from the start to make things simpler. It saves us a lot of problems like what you just asked about.
> Can I use that on a path I already had at rank 1 using a hook, and then move that refunded hook to upgrade another path I had on rank 1 to rank 2?
I will answer this anyway because it's easy. If you read the info box on Hooks are the very start of the cyoa it says that Hooks specifically cannot be gotten back once spent, you can't get the hook back. With blood it would be more ambiguos, but with Hooks there is no doubt.

>>98170586
Ah, I see. Thanks, I missed that part, but getting the rewards from the get go makes things simpler anyway and doesn't require weird manipulation of hooks.

Can the Abusive free pick be used to gain an additional Trait upgrade?

When it says "You may pick one extra free [abilities] for every [attribute] you have picked of that type (this includes your Sire)" Does that mean I pick extra abilities for my build for every attribute my Sire has?