Why does fantasy have to follow the "Nature good, Society bad" formula?
>>98171166Because Kaczynski was right.
>>98171166>lands where people are fulfilled and live happy lives>"nothing works">lands where people are literal slaves filled with the hatred of their master>"technological civilization based on reason and science"
>>98171166>gandalf's this crazy person who wants to start a warWas the special grease-retardant version of the lord of the rings Thiel had to send for different from what the rest of us read?
>>98171200hobbits were greedy little jews constantly expecting presents and gifts and would steal from their neighbors the second their backs were turned. So racist they couldnt even stand the next town over cause they made use of boats.
>>98171200>>98171214>>98171217For reference, the book this quote is from isn't agreeing with Peter Thiel. "The End of Reality" is a scathing critique of Thiel and presenting him as a billionaire goon trying to sell his own rendition of reality.
>Thiel is a midwitDamn what a blackpill.>>98171166Not all fantasy does. I would argue most of D&D doesn't. Forgotten Realms is filled with exceptionally dangerous stuff outside the borders of settlement, even in apparently civilized lands. 4e's entire setting was Points of Light, based on civilization and industry reclaiming darkened lands. The even uplifted the goddess of civilization to a major deity for that. Eberron confronts both the adantages and disadvantages of technological progress, but even after Cyre and the Last War nobody is pretending they want to go back to candles and starvation (except the halflings).Most D&D settings uphold society over nature and what's outside in the dark is far more dangerous than it ever was in IRL human history.
>>98171166I think the appeal of the fantasy genre is that it allows modern readers to imagine a life without strip malls. "Nature good, Society bad" seems to be a distilled version of that.
>>98171166>Why does fantasy have to follow the "Nature good, Society bad" formula?Follows from some of the oldest fantasy we have. >garden of eden with nature Good >knowledge and fucking Sin and Bad That shit's really in there.
because i said so. i also said you should get a job
>>98171228>what a blackpillthe guy is building the torment nexus and you hadnt realized yet?
>>98171318I thought he was evil but smart.
>>98171228>he thinks most dnd is points of light lol
>>98171363>This nigger can't read.lol
>>98171249>I think the appeal of the fantasy genre is that it allows modern readers to imagine a life without strip malls.Pretty much, it's Fantasy after all; Dreaming about things you do not have.
>>98171176>Kaczynski was right.Wypierdalaj.
>>98171380nou
>>98171166>>98171176>>98171200Even wolves have a social structure. The whole "retvrn" to individual pastoralism meme is insane. Nice work if you can get it tho, the old hobby farmI would think a good setting would show upsides and downsides to everything. Like a comfortable advanced civilisation could also have a sift underbelly or even be built on exploitation>>98171217Bad b8Tolkien presented the Hobbits in their childlike simplicity and sometimes grasping deviousness and loved them anyway.That's what it is to actually love your people. To have an honest measure of their flaws but want to protect their idyll regardless.
>>98171325evil is never smart
>>98171166>see this image>reverse search it>only find social media posts and one blog from 2022 quoting him, nothing original or mass media>this thread was one of the few resultspeople getting upset about this .jpg seem midwits and boy there's a huge number of them
>>98171166They’re disgusting faggots, so (rightfully) paranoid. They’re unnatural and degenerate so spitefully hate what is beautiful and wish to bury it in filth like themselves at the expense of everyone else. It’s their only cope.
>>98171249It was a FPBP. Industrialization was dehumanizing and society still hasn’t recovered. It’s unfathomable.
>>98171438>Even wolves have a social structure.>The whole "retvrn" to individual pastoralism meme is insaneI’m glad you Reddit spaced to really drive home how much of a retard you areCan’t even get through two lines of text
>>98171626>>98171636>City boys who probably can't start a fire
>>98171582Image is bait, text is a /tg/ meme that represents the real psychology of numerous subanimals
>>98171642>t faggoid who can only jump start its own rectumNot to mention your reduction is so subhuman it’s funny.Then if your air wasters claim was the case, it would only prove the point.
>>98171636>>98171636Thanks for going on the computer every fucking day to let us know how independent you are
>>98171166You haven't actually read anything have you?"Nature is red of tooth and claw."
>>98171674Then do the gene pool a favor and drop dead.
>>98171678>>98171691>spireful subhuman fag proving the pointImagine being so addle brained and delusionally proud of it.
I know this is /tg/ and not /v/, but this screenshot was a pretty compelling moment for me in the Talos Principle 2.I personally would not be alive if it weren't for technology, too, after my abusive first girlfriend stabbed me with a knife and left me for dead. (Meth is an insane thing)Nature is brutal, and the notion of it being some ideal state is a myth told by people with mouths full of shit
>>98171768We are all but dander on the shoulders of giants, but they think themselves gods...
What I WANT to know is why do we seemingly only use anthropomorphizing language about nature —like wanting and desiring and giving— when it benefits us but the second you imply nature being cruel people are so quick to point out that nature isn't human an has no desires and wants.If mother nature had a personality, she'd be a cruel and callous bitch who doesn't give her children so much as a crumb without having them fight for it.
>>98171176>hardship builds character therefore we should increase the amount of hardshipI agree wholeheartedly.
To answer your overt question most fantasy actually written with a heavy narrative focus around ecology and returning to nature against the destructive nature of social progress was created during times when clouds of smog blotted out the sun over major cities, acid rain was a regular thing, and we punched a hole in the ozone layer.Now on to what you actually wanted to stir up. Yes. Thiel is a nitwit. Musk is a nitwit. The last few years have been horrifying in their revelations about the mental capacities of billionaires. They don't understand the consequences of their actions and being surrounded by nothing but sycophants and yes men has warped their basic human understanding of, well, basically everything.
>>98171768Sure, anon. But even in your own post, consider that the medical technology that saved your life also led to the discovery of the meth. The whole retvrn thing is just the evergreen notion that life is better somewhere else.
>>98171642>simply puts fork in outletpathetic
>>98171804I think it's because deep down we want to deny that humanity can be just as callous, cruel, and indifferent. Most people have been disturbed by man's inhumanity to man and don't want to think about it.
>>98171166What does he mean by "nothing works"? Seems like quite a lot worked just fine, from reading the books.
>>98171804because antropomorphizing natural processes is an instictual and inherently harmful practice that limits our understanding of the natural world. you might be too young to remember the 2000s well, but that was a common angle of creationists struggling to grasp evolution. it's going to be a part of our culture for a while until it either sinks into the subconsious enough to never bring up again or gets supplanted by some new hot topic
>>98171768technology is not good or ill. it is empowering. technology can empower you to save a life, but it is humanity that drives you to do so. After all, any medicine is also a poison in lazy, stupid or malicious hands, and often far more potent a poison than a cure. radiopharmaceuticals come to mind. can you confidently say that the people wielding our technology and operating our machines have enough humanity to be trusted with them? can you confidently say that you will be able to put the genie back in the bottle if, or when they go to far? and how long can you afford to wait before you cant?
>>98171166You noticed a trend anon.Create a story delving into the opposite premise.> 'Nature bad, society good'Perhaps you can even manage a more nuanced exploration than the things you are complaining about?Doing that would be a greater victory than anything you could achieve in this thread.
>>98172038The guy's takeaway was that Sauron was good, actually. He named his company Palantir. You don't have to analyze anything he thinks that closely. There's nothing worth analyzing.
>>98172025>The whole retvrn thing is just the evergreen notion that life is better somewhere else.Indeed.>>98172028>Relying on Electrical InfastructurePathetic!
>>98172113Nah, the tranny will just keep (you)ing itself as always.
>>98172037Yeah it's interesting to me how we use "humanity" as a synonym for good and moral.
>>98171804>>98172185>we>ourNice try AIDSgolem
>>98172168>simply smokes at a petrol stationpftt. nothing personell kid
>>98172267>Relying on Petroleum Infrastructure and AN ALREADY LIT FLAMEPATHETIC!!!
>>98172205>tryTry again ebolajerk.
>>98172288What then? The eyeglass method? The fire striker? Friction? Wait for lighting to strike?
Fantasy tends to be theist, Tolkien was a devout Catholic, thus the dragons and balrogs are corruptions, not true nature, nature is actually inherently good as it has to be as the creation of a loving god.Scifi is atheist so it can go deep into the cosmic horror mentality, that the universe in which we live is full of dangers that could wipe us out in an instant, cold and unfeeling, as though all of human civilization. In fact it is true since one day our sun will start to die and expand into a red giant engulfing the earth, or at least making it as hot as mercury if earth's orbit decays enough to place it outsideIt is naive to reject off hand the possibility conscious beings were merely sharted into existence only to exist for a short time in the cosmic timescale, with our current age of modern prosperity and freedom even more fleeting before we are plunged back into the brutal darwinian grind of our forefathers, assuming we don't just up and wipe ourselves out. If this is the case, then surely we are right to struggle against nature and wrest from it the decent existence it refused its creations, since in a cold materialist world there is nothing moral in bending nature to your will, cutting down a tree to build a log cabin, which will make some of the schizo vegans here screech. The real issue here though is to reject darwinism and entropy itself which is to run against materialism itself. One must be a little superstitious. One must have, dare I say it, faith, that you as a conscious being and others like yourself have some sort of inherent value.
>>98172388as though all of human civilization never mattered*
>>98171166Traditional games?
>>98171768I believe the main point is that without Nature to balance Nurture, things actually worsen.Have you ever seen a coddled man-child?
>>98172288That's how hunter-gatherers did it, they found an existing brush fire and did their best to feed it and keep it alive. Chainsmoking is just a way of honoring that ancient tradition.
>>98172325PATHETIC!!!
>>98171166>mental midget thinks he's got a spicy hot take on classic literature>gets literally every major detail wrong and misunderstands the entire work in a way that displays that no only is he a fucking retard, but that he never actually fucking read the books, let alone watched the movies
>>98171166Fantasy is the opposite of reality, so of course it can pretend that vaguely defined environmental factors cause evil instead of innate instincts that have existed from the dawn of time
>>98171325If he was actually smart, he wouldn't be evil.
>>98172037I think that's where a lot of these nutjob conspiracy theories these days come from I mean, apart from the CIA and FBI. People see their government operated by callous, cruel and indifferent agents operating in self-interest to the detriment of their fellow man, and they literally just snap because it's too hard to live with for them. They want to believe that they are inherently good and virtuous for the simple quirk of being human, and so if someone isn't behaving how they want they mustn't be human, they must be reptilian overlords from a distant planet come to harvest our DNA. Introspecting enough to realise that we are all meat automatons capable of abject atrocity just as easily as good is simply beyond their scope.
>>98171768OK but he also only exists to make the game because his ancestors struggled and survived for 1000s of years being culled by the exact same type of shit that would have killed him without technology, and MORE, to produce the specific genetic template that in interaction with his environment and the technology there would produce the game. You can't separate one from the other.I was also born with a condition that means I would have died if I had been born more than 60 or 70 years ago. There are millions of people who are the same.
>>98171200he said sort of, so he's sort of right, somewhere out there in the ether.
>>98171166It certainly doesn't, altough if the theme is there, you can bet it's going the Tolkien route. Nature (or at least pastoral) good, industrialization bad. Society is not the problem here, anyway.Because -big surprise!- fantasy is made for modern people.
>>98171166Are there any examples of the opposite?
>>98171804Because we want to protect nature, or more precisely, decently "pristine" and "living" biomes. This is a good thing (duh), but retorical language tends to fall into irrational bullshit.I'll point out that "cruel" is as wrongly humanizing as "giving" tough. A soft meadow in may, the harshest desert, Saturn clouds: they're neither. They're indifferent.
>>98173054You can find ones in which it's both sides of the coin.Princess Mononoke cames to mind.
>>98171166>Why does fantasy have to follow the "Nature good, Society bad" formula?"The faculty or activity of imagining things, especially things that are impossible or improbable."Huh, I don't see anything in there about having to follow any sort of formula, so you can make your games however you want.
>>98172851Boiled down to their pure essence, conspiracy theories are a denial of the banality of evil. To some people, a world full of monsters is more comforting than accepting that people generally do bad things for stupid and venal reasons, or that bad things can occur purely by happenstance.
>>98171166>Peter Thiel talks about how great Mordor is>Peter Thiel wrotes an essay about Watchmen>Peter Thiel talks about the Anti-ChristOk, how many popculture nerdisms does he talk about? Is there an essay about how the Imperium from Star Wars, GoT finance system, WH40k antichrist symbolism?
>>98171214He read the Russian cope version which has that exact premise
>>98171325Who told you he was smart? You know he's not an obscure person. Like... his every utterance is documented and reported on by journalists whose full time job is to follow him around and record what he says. It's not secret. It's literally all just there for you to read about.
>>98171804You're gonna have fun when you discover the concept of "gods" and what their biggest critics say about them.
>>98175317Storytelling and GM basics? Sure this could have been posted in /Lit/ too.
>>98171325Evil is a byproduct of Dumb.
>>98171166It's a woke troupe but it's not as common as you think. Often the ones that do are hand fisting it in where it annoying with the classic evil rich CEO against the noble savage tribe and the main character who join him to back the tribal girl or something like that. Or you have some good ones where they make it clear their is no good side just sides. Like Princess Mononoke, often enough the people pushing the who back to nature BS are the hipper doesn't know how anything is made, just the classic person evil cause they have land, drilling for oil, running a factory, or whatever gay captain planet storyline they saw as a kid. Also, many NGOs give grants to people who push their agenda in their novels and stories. Why do you think we were flood that woke shit but now they can't even pay for a pride parade. All funded by tax breaks, grants and NGOs pushing their cause. Once you prevent them from using tax papers dollars. Now it's dying and falling apart. It wasn't ever popular, just the people pushing it were trying to make it seem like it was, hoping for it to catch on.
>>98175351The what
>>98172388You are correct anon, but your reliance on big words and "big" syntax is doing you a disservice. More people will read if you focus on substance first and flavour later.
>>98176517The Last Ringbearer
>>98175735>those rich environmentalists getting those fat green checks to complain about pollution7/10 bait. You're doing a fairly good job of pretending to be the kind of low IQ poster who thinks that the real fatcats getting rich from lying about the system is the scientists, but you don't quite sell the idiocy well enough. You've gotta dumb down the logic into something visibly simple and black box. Also you didn't link it back to any of the culture war boogiemen that crowd blames for anything.
>>98175041He's apparently a big One Piece fan and thinks the series is a retelling of Revelations with Luffy as Christ.
>>98171228I mean, he is explicitly textually correct about Ozy, who is an evil narcissist whose plan will fail and probably make things worse since the major powers will be up arming to fight ayylmaoiens that don't exist.
>>98171537Evil isn't wise. Evil can be smart, meaning clever, but it is ultimately destructive. Wisdom is understanding that creation is the higher faculty.
>>98171200yeah, but in Mordor the line goes UP
>>98180806I bet he likes the WH40k fluff. He makes everything about religion. Does he know that there is a machine god in 40k?
>>98171166Like half of fantasy has the "shining city on the hill" with the good king and his knights bringing order and slaying the monsters appearing from the wilderness type stories. Ya fulla shit.
>>98176700Are you lying to us, or to yourself?
>>98181692>posts a bunch of industries destroying the planet>actually they're pro environment! what does the bootlicker means by this?
>>98181732To add on to what he's trying to say, they misdirect people's good intentions to made up nonsense like global warming so you don't look at the colossal dumps full of cellphones where nothing will grow ever again for thousands of years because of the lithium batteries in them. Planned obsolescence, this whole idea of an internet of things, the fake and gay economy actually are eating away at the planet. In a very visceral, tangible way. It makes the paperclip factory scenario seem so naive its almost cute. Replace AI with GDP that accurately describes the present.
>>98171228Well I personally lost it at:>Thiel later finds biblical meaning in the manga One Piece
>>98171176Ted was a mythologized LARPer. He didn't actually practice what he wrote and his victims had pretty much nothing to do with the systems he ragged against.
>>98182310I remember seeing some letter he wrote in reply to someone who asked him how him and his friends should conduct themselves and make themselves able to deal with the oncoming horrible future we were stuck with and his advice was like>you should all go jogging regularlyAnd that was about it.
>>98171166>Why did one of the greatest foundational pieces of modern fantasy focus on "Nature Good, Society bad"?It's almost as if the author witnessed first hand the horrors of massive and rapid technological advancements that resulted in the deaths of millions.
>>98171214For a strange reason, everybody who is critical of Tolkien don't seem to have read the books.
>>98172388>Scifi is atheist so it can go deep into the cosmic horror mentality,A lot of old science fiction was spiritual in nature, just read the old pulp magazines.
>>98171166Um. Did he totally miss the point of Lord of the Rings? Unless this is a misplaced quote of his? Mordor is the corruption and ruination of artifice. The abuse of it. It drills into nature. It destroys. The elves represent the beauty of artifice. The art of it. It weaves into nature. It preserves. The Palantir was made with a noble goal in mind before it got hijacked for evil. How nature is seen, and used, is a core theme of LotR. Gandalf uses blackpowder in the creation of fireworks to inspire joy and wonder and laughter. Saruman uses blackpowder in the creation of bombs for war. The wizards don’t weaponize ignorance the way Sauron does. They don’t form cults and superstition like he does. The wizards simply know things you don’t, and can do things you cannot. This isn’t really complicated. Elves are so good at art/artifice it’s angelic in seeming and appearance. It’s not magical to them (what is magic is also a point of perception; the elves look to the wizards the same way men and hobbits look to the elves). They’re more independent and don’t outsource to machines the way orcs and dwarves and humans do. Their industry is more so sincere.
As a homosexual male I am kind of disgusted how homosexual males like Thiel and Altman are leading the charge into the age of tech hell. They’re either blatantly wrong about what they preach or they’re painfully, dangerously naive.
>>98182330Well, what was he going to write? He knew damn well that the Man was going to read any and all of his correspondence and that he wasn't going to be allowed to be inflammatory.
Tolkien wanted technology to be more in tune with nature. If Thiel doesn’t understand that, then he can get fucked in the ass I guess.
Tolkien knew well the tension of technology and the threat of the machine. Tolkien explains the use of magic in his mythos and how it relates to machinery. Tolkien had thought through, with great clarity, the difference between the magic of the elves and that of Mordor.He observes that the hobbits do not understand the difference between the magic powers exercised by the elves and that of Sauron: “the Elven queen Galadriel is obliged to remonstrate with the Hobbits on their confused use of the word [magic] both for the devices and operations of the Enemy and for those of the Elves.” Tolkien says the lack of a proper word (other than “magic”) for the work of the elves portrays the same confusion in our own minds and mythologies.He goes on to explain the difference: “Their [the elves’] ‘magic’ is Art, delivered from many of its human limitations: more effortless, more quick, more complete (product, and vision in unflawed correspondence). And its object is Art not Power, sub-creation not domination and tyrannous re-forming of Creation.”Tolkien elucidates the dilemmas we face as technology snowballs and threatens to blow up in our face. Put simply, the magic of Mordor is the machinery of murder. It is the pursuit of power for its own sake, and perceives the natural world merely as a raw material to be exploited, distorted, and destroyed. In the films, we see this in full display as the wizard Saruman destroys Fangorn—chewing up the forest to fuel his machines of war. The realms of the Elves, in contrast, at Rivendell and Lothlorien, are havens of harmony, beauty, and peace created by elven magic.The distinction elucidates our own continued, confused, modern relationship to technology. Do we use our increasingly sophisticated gadgetry and expanding knowledge in an elvish, creative, and artful way to bring light, beauty, and truth to the world, or do we use technology to manipulate, make money, and thus gain more power in the world?
>>98171166Gandalf brought knowledge of gunpowder to the Shire by way of his fireworks. He’s probably why the Shire has Victorian-era levels of amenities to begin with. Or not. He came across pipe smoking while visiting the Shire. It’s the south of Middle Earth that’s a backwater shithole. Bree looks straight out of the 17/18th century. Is Thiel just retarded?
According to Thiel, any concern for the way technology is developing, is a sign of the Antichrist. We shouldn’t question our toys and tools. Just accept it.
>>98171166Name 5 instances of this.
>>98172388It's weird that you people always throw around faith using completely incorrect definitions as some kind of gotcha.It's not a matter of faith that people have value, it's a matter of practicality. They in fact help you a lot, you are a social animal.It's not a matter of faith that YOU have value, it's a matter of direct instinct. The only people who even have a chance of proving this wrong are people who have killed themselves, and even then, probably not.
>>98172388Star Wars is gnostic slop40k is also gnostic slopStar Trek is really the biggest atheistic scifi setting (don’t take my word for it,; not a trekki, so it’s probably also gnostic slop).Sci-fi is largely gnostic slop
>>98181964is an easy concept to grasp this year
>>98181964>STILL seething that global warming was proven to be correctlolYou people got so asspained about it that you went on to claim it was just the end of an ice age, despite it warming thousands of times faster than any previous end of an ice age.
>>98182546People only use Lord of the Rings to make one of the following points:>The group I am a part of are elves, the group I dislike are orcs.>Tolkien was wrong, here's why Mordor are actually the good guys.>Lord of the Rings is way too idealistic, real fantasy should be grittier and darker and more realistic.
>>98186216Well that’s just sad
>>98184924In Star Trek, the federation and starfleet are officially secular and don't support any specific religion and mostly don't consider stuff like god, heaven, etc actual things BUT individuals in starfleet and the federation are free to practice any religion they wish. If you are that commited to living under a religious government or authority, you are free to travel outside federation space and join any colony that might be more aligned with your personal beliefs.There are several people in the show over the years that were religious or followed a belief system. In Deep Space Nine, faith, religion and belief were big themes.
>>98182546Because there are people who kinda see similarities between the fiction and themself. But instead to think that their behaviour is bad, they try to twist it into a positive thing or call it an ideology propaganda.>>98186216This
>>98171200That's correct from a late stage capitalist standpoint. "Nothing works" just means that one dude can't just come in, wave some money around, and start exploiting everyone into the dirt.
>>98186611Tolkien hated allegory. He hated when authors imposed their views on the reader. He preferred the word applicable, applicability. But now we have Thiel imposing/applying his own flawed take. Damn it Tolkien!
>>98187322Tolkien: “I greatly dislike allegory. Is it applicable to your life?”Think: “Yes. Hitler was the good guy. Sauron was misunderstood.”
Didn’t Thiel assassinate his former super model boyfriend who turned out to be a democrat spy working against him? Also because his then-husband had a massive melty when he showed up to their party. Ah. Gay politics. >>98182554
>>98186622Your definition of money and exploit is flawed.
>>98182546>>98182603>Gandalf uses blackpowder in the creation of fireworks to inspire joy and wonder and laughter. Saruman uses blackpowder in the creation of bombs for war. Huh, never stopped to think about that parallel.>He came across pipe smoking while visiting the Shire.They had matches in The Hobbit already, I wonder if they got that from Gandalf.
>>98187457Wrong.
Because man's sometimes cartoonishly evil degree of callousness and hubris is a timeless story that people can't seem to learn from. We have SO MANY stories about learning from the past, learning from mistakes, yet humans continue to suck at it.
>>98187626Is someone coming and waving a bunch of paper currency the same as someone coming in with a wagon of gold?
>>98171166Something we were just talking about in a class I'm taking on ancient poetry. It's interesting that in the Bronze age, the city is seen as the great good and everything outside of it is terrifying and wild and evil. Then you get to the post-collapse when everyone is finally living back in cities, and nature is idealized and pure and beautiful.It's as simple as "the grass is always greener." Spend your life in a city full of noise and pollution and crime? Your experience with the outdoors is limited to pleasure trips you take to beautiful places. Spend your life outdoors in the wilds getting bitten by bugs and snake and trudging through mud and covered in dust and trying to dig up something to eat? Your experience with the city is luxury and plenty and comfort and servants to provide for you.It really is as simple as that we become disdainful of the everyday and idealize the unfamiliar.
>>98187829Generally neither is used for large quantity transactions in late stage capitalism.
>>98187829>waving a bunch of paper currencyNo millionaire does that except when he wants to get into epstein island. now fuck off
>>98187892>late stage capitalism.nta but its always funny when people think the ride is almost over.
>>98187900It's a comparison of today to the earlier stages, not any kind of statement about where things will end up.
>>98187892Late stage capitalism is a meme created by people who don't want to admit to themselves that they're making mistakes of their ancestors, it hurts too much to admit that you're no smarter than a prehistoric Romans.https://youtu.be/uqsBx58GxYY
>>98187911While it's possible some people do that, it's also a way of referring to the enshittification of life today. Consider the context of this chain of replies to see which might apply.
>>98187909Its probably easier to just admit its a silly term than double down to >late doesn't mean towards the end because I don't agree with time or something. If it was a comparison of today, it would say >current or another similar word.
>>98187942I think you're splitting semantic hairs.
>>98171166Touch grass.
>>98187947>accurate descriptions of time in relation to geopolitical ideological comparisons is semantics Or you can double down I guess. We're >late thread so we can post about that for another hundred or more.
>>98187973Anything is semantics if you're arguing about the words themselves rather than what people are trying to convey with words.
>>98188008>anything is semantics when I don't like it Okay. I'm uncertain sure how >latenot being at the end of something is arguable but please proceed. It will be amusing.
Tolkien didn’t hate technology or industry he just wanted it to respect nature more. To look nicer. Not hideous. And to be fair he’s not wrong. Humans could be a lot more creative with what they build. Houses look hideous today.
>>98188024>anything is semantics when I don't like it Incorrect.>I'm uncertain sure how>>late>not being at the end of something is arguablePeople aren't using it to say that.
>>98188034Ah yes, the >if enough people believe a thing its true argument. Well I'm glad we're done here I accept your concession.
>>98187896>millionaire Millionaire in what?
>>98188047No, it has nothing to dowith a thing being true or not. It's the question of what exactly a word or phrase refers to. You're ignoring the way people are using the phrase in favor of a different definition that suits your position better. This is a semantic argument. You're not engaging with the concepts that are being comunicated, you're just playing with words.
>>98187920I prefer (((parasitic capitalism))). Commies call it late stage because it takes awhile for the parasite to grab hold
>>98187677I dont understand. He argues a species that is very rare shouldnt be considered worth of protection? Or is this Endangered Species Act a US wide law and doesnt work when in a specific case applies only to one state?
>>98188165I like parasitic capitalism too. It leaves room open for good capitalism to exist, while specifically singling out the more parasitic parts. The problem is that every time you use that phrase some retard will assume you think all capitalism is parasitic, but if you use late-stage capitalism then they're too stupid to know what that means and you filter them out in favor of at least somewhat smarter repliers.
>>98188180He's probably arguing that something that only lives in a single state shouldn't be subject to federal regulations.
>>98187677Concerning ourselves with the extinction of animals is shamanistic nature worship, not naturalism. Certainly we shouldn't overhunt or fish, but being a busybody trying to save things that were doomed to eventually disappear anyway (like most of the things in australia) is just asking for more government corruption. More things have ceased to exist on this planet than you can ever even begin to comprehend, the sheer arrogance of that mentality is astounding. You may very well be closer to extinction yourself than you realize because of your own brand of soapboxing hubris, enabling petty wannabe dictators at every turn as you screech for a surrogate parent to fix the planet and save the snails for you. Take up building bird houses and bat apiaries if you're so damned concerned about it.
>>98188226If you're not actively attempting to wrest control of the biosphere from nature, you're small potatoes as a human.
>>98188182Parasitic capitalism is biblical. Usury is a sin
>>98188182The problem is that this is not capitalism at all, what we have is oligarchy because, first, people are too stupid and lazy to look for something better for a better price instead of eating slop that is in front of their noses, and second, the merger of governments and oligarchs make sure that no alternative has simply arisen. And add that, paradoxically, at certain points people were brainwashed to not think in capitalist categories. Do you want a wage increase? We are a family, you ungrateful asshole, how dare you?
>>98188251Capitalism universally results in oligarchies then kings, and capitalism has a 100% rate of destroying the free market.Producing an oligarchy is the direct purpose of capitalism.
>>98188063>populism isn't semantics lmao keep digging
>>98188232Why would I want control of that? Seems like a lot of work if you ask me. I guess I would've been one of the grugs they had to dupe into the farming lifestyle with the promise of unlimited grain alcohol thirty thousand years ago.
>>98188259Nope because in a true capitalist society the people would hold the politicians accountable so the politicians hold the capitalists accountable instead of getting bought out. It works it just hasn't been tried before
>>98188296>it's only true capitalism if it's perfectly democraticcope
>>98188251>people are too stupid and lazy to look for something better for a better priceThis is blaming people who really don't have the time to put the requisite thought inestment into each of the hundreds of different aspects of life. If you have sub par regulations, being an active food expert isn't going to save you, because even a food expert is going to get ripped off in some other context. What you need are robust regulations that protect the things that matter to you the most. When you're talking about parasitic capitalism, the thing that matters most for the regulations is the right of 0.01% of people to rip off everyone else without consequences. If you'd instead prefer the market to be fair, you need to regulate it in that direction instead. There are no other options, because lack of regulation is just another regulation, one that says the strongest gets to ensalve and kill everyone else if they want.
>>98188296Even the father of capitalism recognized in his works defining capitalism that the oligarchy was inevitable unless the government repeatedly robbed the wealthy.
>>98188226You can think that, but then at the same time you don't get to complain when the only animals around you end up being feral cats, cockraoches, pigeons, and other "undesirables" simply because they were far better at surviving.
>>98188350>the strongest gets to ensalve and kill everyone else if they want.That sounds based tho
>>98188296Man, the horseshoe theory is ALWAYS RIGHT.
>>98188278Yes, you are a small potatoes human being who is the type who would have been assimilated or killed by farmers with more vision.
>>98188359Yeah, because you're imagining yourself as the strongest. You're not. You wouldn't be shitposting here if you were.
>>98188379Anon, you fail to understand, he's a cuck.He thinks it's based to be made into a slave.
>>98188379I'm 6'4 and white
>>98188278>dupe into the farming lifestyle with the promise of unlimited grain alcoholthis is a meme, hunter gatherers always made sure to leave something behind for next year, agriculture is just the natural expansion of getting better at that
>>98188385You're posting on 4chan.
>>98188360it's less a horseshoe and just more that human argumentative strategies follow the same kind of patterns everywhere.
>>98188385And stupid. Nobody said the strongest race gets to decide things.
>>98188398I think your use of the word "strongest" is confusing him.
>>98188398Everybody said that until leftism came along
>>98188394no the horseshoe definitely exists, there's a stark difference between moderates who just want to have decent lives and extremists who want to fight
>>98188404>Cuck happens to be seething about leftistslol, I couldn't write better character assassination if I tried.
>>98188404Regardless, even if a tall white dude did end up being the strongest your odds of that being you are infinitesimal. Without regulation, the strongest can just enslave you. In a world where a white person is in charge, white cucks still need to get in the wagie cagie, except without regulations you also don't need any pay or other benefits.
>>98188296The politicians being bought out is a feature of capitalism.
>>98188428It's called corruption for a reason.
>>98188439And capitalism universally produces and exploits corruption to take over nations.We've known this since the earliest historical writings. Any ruler who does not regularly drain the wealthy will be replaced by the wealthy.
>>98188454I think this is conflating things too much. Corruption is not a feature of capitalism. Corruption exists whether your economic system is capitalistic or not. Democracy is the best existing way to fight corruption. Capitalism is decently compatible with democracy, but not necessarily married to it, and vice versa.
>>98188468Corruption is absolutely a feature of capitalism, and to claim otherwise is to blind yourself to millenia of historical evidence on what happens when members of a state become too wealthy.
>>98188385We all need to sleep
>>98188454And yet communist governments are corrupt as well.
>>98188478I'm not advocating communism, you party-brained simp.
>>98188454Anon there's one particular group known throughout history as being the villains you describe. >why do coins have ridges
>>98188472Wealth also isn't a feature of capitalism. Wealth and corruption are features of economic and political systems, or in other words they're features of civilization and society. Capitalism is just a particular economic system.
>>98188489No, this problem has happened since before any of your abrahamic peoples even existed.
>>98188493Capitalism is a particular system that even the creator of said system noted was extremely prone to cause, use, and profit by corruption.
>>98188498All systems are. Capitalism isn't special.
>>98188375You say it as if the hunter gatherers weren't making bloodsport out of farmers until they realized they could profit from their domestication long term instead of killing and robbing them for short term gain. There's a considerable amount of evidence in north america suggesting this is likely what happened and lead to a synthesis between the two. Which means its also likely how it happened across europe and asia even earlier as well.
>>98188502Capitalism is just particularly corrupt and inefficient, that's all.All systems that involve giving disproportionate wealth to groups that are not the rulers will eventually face these issues.
In fifty years a mummified raspy voiced cyborg-lich Thiel will be the final boss.
>>98188513No, capitalism is actually very efficient. You think capitalism is bad? Compare it to what came before. I wonder how you'd enjoy feudalism. Even with great regulations, feudalism would be a nightmare in comparison.
>>98188525I was literally comparing it to feudalism when I noted that capitalism was particularly corrupt and inefficient.Note that feudal states, even single-family ones, last longer than capitalist ones by orders of magnitude.
>>98188529You can't really make that comparison given that capitalism is relatively very recent and still around. For that comprison you'd need to wait until both have run their course.Either way, feudalism could not feed and industrialize the numbers of people there are in the world now, therefore it is definitionally less efficient than capitalism.
>>98188543Capitalism is a result of the technological progress that allows these people to be fed, not the cause.
>>98188550It doesn't matter? If you tried swapping to feudalism right now there'd be a massive death wave and the population would not recover. What you'd have is just an overburdened planned economy. Efficiency is not its strength.
>>98188554No, we'd still have all the same technology being used to feed the people. If a new administration was placed, intact, upon the nation without any unrest, people would still live.
>>98188560Anon, planned and capitalist economies also had the same techonology at the same time. We don't need to speculate about this, we have real world examples. The most notable feature of the planned economies under communism compared to capitlaism is that they got a lot less done. The most most efficient planned economies were the ones that allowed themselves to be partially free market, like what you would have seen in yugoslavia towards its end.
>>98188583Anon, some of the largest capitalist institutions were started under monarchs.It's like you're purposely forgetting the british.
>>98188583I wouldn't say communists got a lot less done, given they were a legitimate competing system and threat for the entirety of their existence, and apparently still are to this day, given the continuous need people have to defend against them.
>>98188591You're conflating capitalism with demcracy here. You can have one without the other. You can have an authoritarian capitalist state. You can even have the rough inverse of that, a democratic communist state, even though that thought triggers the fuck out ofamericans, but we've been nattering on for long enough that I doubt anyone else is reading at this point.
>>98188607No, I'm thinking of capitalism.The british were largely into it, and did much to further it.
>>98188707Oh, so I guess you mentioned monarchy, a type of authoritarianism, by accident and it's not important?
>>98188712I'm demonstrating that any function of capitalism can be performed under monarchy, using historical examples from the industrialization and colonization of the world.
>>98188720Okay, while I can't really say you've demonstrated it, you have mentioned it, and I don't disagree.
>>98188495>everything existed alwaysk
>>98171166This guy is literally evil lol
>>98189574>In fifty years a mummified raspy voiced cyborg-lich Thiel will be the final boss.
>>98184971Recent data came out from the Global Climate Consensus saying that the absolute worst predictions of the Global Climate Consensus will never happen and that they were, in fact, wrong. This is despite the fact that Global Carbon Emissions are still increasing due to China and other developing countries. Not to mention that they gave a Nobel Prize to a guy who showed that Global Warming would effect global GDP by less than 1%.Climate Change was all Global Cooling in the last century, but they switched it to warming this century. It was always a grift to use regulatory capture. Little companies could never comply with the rules, so the big bleeding heart corpos could both destroy all their compeition AND have an excuse to outsource things to China, where labor was cheap and regulations didn't exist. You've been played by Corporatism once again, bootlicker.
>>98182459That's not true, for example George R. R. Martin read the book.
>>98171166>Why does fantasy have to follow the "Nature good, Society bad" formula?No game follows this formula
>>98171228That analysis is logical, I don't know why you say it's from Midwit.
>>98181970That makes sense, the villain in One Piece is literally Satan.
>>98187411you are completely crazy
>>98171166>/tg/ - Traditional Games
>>98171166>>98182554Janny anus tonguing faggots harbor subhumanity, then embrace it, which turns them into easy victims of inversion by other evils. They embrace worse to defend what’s already wrong. They then try and spread it into every shithole they can, starting with the most vulnerable.It’s why nerd hovels like /tg/ and programmers have such high rate of niggers trooning out, and every storied /tg/ ip holder has an officiated bluesky based discord dedicated to ruining it.
>tiktok faggots itt seething about tiel, while puking over and trying to subvert Tolkien Leftism is a disease. Redditors take fatal doses rectally
>>98171166What’s better for you, processed food or natural?Idk why the people who make machines are such evil monsters, but they are
>>98189677>>98189671Here's your (You). Hope you get better one day.
>>98189706You too. Everyone should wish for each others best. Not be effeminate banal parasites.
>>98189741other's
>>98189601this is because they're trying to engineer a specific sort of reaction to suit their own agenda which doesn't include people going full doom and giving up on supporting them financially and politically, the actual physical reality is a lot worse than they were saying
>>98189601Recent data has come out that the refugee crisis and the trillions of dollars worldwide in shoreline damage are directly due to global warming.Additionally, at no point has the globe stopped warming- It's still getting hotter, every single year, and you've yet to disprove or provide any explanation for it other than man made changes.The best explanation you guys have ever given is that an ice age is ending, and this is happening thousands of times faster than that.
>>98190163>>98189601Also, it's kind of hilarious how previous reversed cooling trends are cited as some kind of disproof of global warming, when it's actually an indicator of its' severity.
i think magic is only magic if you don't fully understand how it works
>>98190463Yeah, but understandability is relative, subjective, which makes magic as a concept all sorts of fucked, and that’s why it’s so fun. Why it’s never the same fiction to fiction, person to person. Variety is the spice of life. Anything can be magic from a set perspective. Drop a shiny and chrome candy bar wrapper into the past.
Thiel is hilarious. Shit like this makes me wonder if he’s a huge troll or something. I don’t think for a moment that he’s this novel illiterate.
>>98171176Kaczynski's reputation on the internet benefits massively from the fact that nobody ever reads beyond the first page of his manifesto
>>98192402what's on the second page
>>98171223Sounds true but I can't be arsed to read books about celebritiesAdditionally, this entire thread is garbagioWith regards to nature vs. technologyThe difference is that nature is inherently sustainable in a way that technology isn'tCertain ways of life fucking suck but at the same time they can be perpetuated for thousands of years
>>98192407Furry porn.
>>98192407he goes on to suggest that the solution to industrialization is that everyone should dismantle every part of the economy and divide the entire population into small villages where regional blacksmiths are the highest form of technology. Which is not only laughable, but would be a dereliction of duty for people who are actually concerned with environmental stewardship. Like all counterculture icons, his only skill was being able to identify a problem; he has no real solution. all those people died for nothing because there wasn't any substance to his ideology.
>>98192430and if he had a more coherent point their deaths would have had meaning?
>>98171200I mean, when you remember that Thiel is a slavedriver who's employees and indeed most of his customers(few of whom are by choice) are filled with hatred for him, you can start to grasp why he empathises with the daemonic evil overlord more than the heroes that destroy him.
>>98192443Sure, why not?
>>98175351what this anon >>98176638 said. It's a hilarious version of the events of the books where Sauron and the whole of Mordor are the good, being the heart of civilization due to their rational and industrial ways, while everyone else are a bunch of primitive, superstitious savages. It's hilarious how obviously the guy overdosed on Soviet copium.
Thiel is an idiot
Just lol
>>98192430I'd like to see a college run this experiment for a semester and totally cut off some undergrads to see what fucking happens.
>>98192430Perfectly reasonable solution if what you value is happiness. Most humans would be happier living like that, there's a very good reason places that still echo that era are extremely popular tourist destinations. I don't agree with it, but to say it isn't a viable solution is just your bias. Personally I think we should go all in hyper-industrialization, exploit every energy and resource to its fullest extent to break through the ceiling of being a single world species. If we end up going extinct in the process oh well, at least a serious attempt was made at being something besides consumer chattel for vampire pedophiles and their ghoul enforcers.
>>98193269>The Last Ringbearerthe Last Ringbearer is not Soviet you literal imbecile, it came out in 1999. LotR was extremely popular in the USSR as it remains in Russia and TLR was just a standard edgy faggot fanfic
>>98200651Yeah I have never read it but I think it's more of a reaction to the disappointment and utter squalor that followed the Soviet eraNever mind that it was 100% on themselves
>>98200626>Most humans would be happier living like that,I don't think that's true at all. I like not having to shit in a hole in the ground and also not dying from a disease that's easily avoidable in modern times. "People were obviously so much happier in the past" is an incredibly naive opinion to have. Most people, for most of history, were barely getting by most of the time. Happiness didn't factor into it.
>>98200626go live in india then you drooling retard
>>98189632>I don't know why you say it's from Midwit.He's speaking highly of one piss
>>98200884>>98201267Nothing but infantile hyperbole with no basis in reality. You really would be happier, more well formed humans having been raised amish. Probably a lot less spergy and annoying too.
>>98200626>Perfectly reasonable solution if what you value is happiness.it's not a perfectly reasonable solution, because it requires unanimous and eternal buy-in from all humans, jackass
>>98201825It doesn't and you know it doesn't, but you're so offended by the very idea of it for whatever reason you're edging on a spergout. We are less than a hundred years removed from living like that, many groups of people still voluntarily live that way and make a living selling handmade goods and produce with much higher market value than mass produced equivalents. Its entirely possible to live this way within the current system. I wouldn't, like I said but I'm not going to pretend like it doesn't work when there's even more precedent for it working than the way most of us live in the first world now. It barely been a fraction of an eyeblink in the big picture since the transistor was invented.
>>98201571>>98202373>Nu-uh! Everyone who disagrees with me is a sperg!Oh. Wow. Truly you are a master of rhetoric.
>>98202487Ok retard.
>>98200651>the Last Ringbearer is not Soviet you literal imbecile, it came out in 1999I already know you nigger, that doesn't change the fact that the author was clearly drunk on Stalinist horseshit about reason and scientific progress and crap. Stop spazzing out over every little thing you boot-lipped jigaboo
>>98202373>produce with much higher market value than mass produced equivalentsBecause there are people that don't live in unga bunga mode and can actually pay for that shit? Hello? If everyone lived like that the economy would look medieval too.
>>98171166You can't be a successful billionaire if you can't buy into your own bullshit. Their insanity and evil is what allows them to succeed.
>>98202848Cope. Only money matters, if you don't have money you don't matter
>>98202854You're right. The ultimate state of all things is that someone exists at the top and someone exists at the bottom. The only thing that changes is how much violence is necessary to achieve and maintain this dynamic until it's remade by someone else taking those roles.
>>98202373oh hey, it's one of those guys who didn't read past the first page of Kaczynski's manifesto. like I mentioned earlier. Ted wasn't advocating that people turn Amish on a voluntary basis and sell hand-blown vases at craft markets; he advocated that all technological civilization be destroyed in a revolution, ideally as soon as possible.
Thief proves that, regardless of how smart you start out, the yes-man echo chamber that comes with extreme wealth is functionally going to turn you into a schizo, a retard, or both.
>>98203048*Thiel lmao
>>98203009As of pretty much the second post in the chain we weren't even talking about that anymore galaxy brain. Maybe if you read past the last page you'd know that.
>>98171166Because society really fucking sucks for most people right now.
>>98171419Anon, he's talking about Ted, not Jarosław.
>>98192443if he had a more coherent point they wouldn't have died
>>98171166>Wow everything works everything's rational--also everything sucks fucking shit, we murder 30% of all children before they're born, suicide has been normalized to the point that it is now prescribed as a treatment for depression and any form of sincerity or authentic belief is associated with naivety and childish cringeNature is good. Society is not bad, modernity is. I of course have a solution, which is the brutal helotization of everyone to the Left of Mussolini because they don't have souls and can't feel real emotions anyway, the reinstatement of coverture, and the crafting of the rest of society into a warrior aristocracy where every man are required to execute a captive libtard with a splitting maul when he reaches the age of majority (14) or face exile to Africa, which will be deliberatley kept in a state of total anarchy via periodic high-altitude bombing of any structure larger than 10x10 meters. All political appointments level will be made by an AI trained to determine which candidate has the most Aryan physiognomy, plastic surgery will be outlawed and all practitoners will be crucified, and any adult man who cannot bench two plates in an annual exam will be required to fight four tigers with a baselard in an arena on national television. Only landowning white men will be allowed to vote, but the system will not be democratic at all, the limited franchise exists only to demoralize nons and women.I call it Juchadism.
>>98200626>Perfectly reasonable solution if what you value is happiness.If you reduce tech level to medieval, then child mortality roars back to 50-50, and dead kids make human beings unhappy. Try again.
>>98187677This is why you should tax the fuck out of billionaires.
>>98205193Because a millionaire is going to lose a lawsuit?
Thiel is really funny to me now
>>98172045I'm anthropomorphising right now and there's nothing you can do about it.Shit, I'm going to stick my cock through a magic hole in a rock so my ancestors and the spirits of the earth can bless my willy.
>>98205193Then they move to a tax haven, and your country loses all it's capital.>We can stop themThat's called kidnapping, sir.And this is why socialists need to be impaled upside-down on stakes.
>>98209596>Shit, I'm going to stick my cock through a magic hole in a rock so my ancestors and the spirits of the earth can bless my willy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owjlvH5hghA
>>98171166Xianxia fiction is a thing. It's kinda split into "Cannibalism is the guiding principle of the universe" and "Society, being perfectible, is better than the alternative, actually."
>>98189706Go back to redd*t
>>98209602Capital not confined to a country can and will work against the country if it brings profit.Thus, the capital must be confined to the country, and made to serve the interests of the country and it's people."Citizens of the world" should be reminded that they are not, in fact, citizens of the world, but rather citizens of a specific country.If they refuse to use their capital to the benefit of their country, working only in their own self-interest, they are to be relieved of their capital.Being rich isn't an achievement, it's a privilege, one that entails responsibilities to serve your country economically.If you don't serve your country as either a soldier, a capitalist, civil servant, or in any other capacity, then you are a parasite.I don't know what this ideology is called, but I think it'd make a fine foundation for a not-quite-evil empire, or "empire" like USSR, as a backdrop for a cloak & dagger-type game.Something from the alternative 20th century history, I imagine.
>>98171166Traditional Games?
>>98210798
>>98210798>spoilerWhat you're describing is literally Peronism.
>>98190163>It's still getting hotter, every single year, and you've yet to disprove or provide any explanation for it other than man made changes.How about being in an interglacial period anon?
>>98181970>a red straw hat, sort of like Christ's crown of thornsMy sides have become the antichrist. Also, Thiel is weapons-grade autistic.
>>98184924Star wars, and 40K are Space fantasy settings, first and foremost. Actual hard sci-fi isn't very popular; Because it isn't fantastical. And being a fiction nerd isn't really the same as being a physics geek.
>>98211152Didn't he just say that warming is happening at thousands of times faster than it should be?
>>98211605There is no actual data for any of it, its all algorithmic. You know the same form of computer abstraction currently predicting an inland hurricane by texas next week because they decided to let AI feed it data (if you don't know, this is impossible.) This is also how they manipulate climate models, by just omitting all the evidence from arctic core samples we have that this is completely normal, even unusually low carbon levels and heat preceding an impending ice age. If we have had any impact on the environment, its stimulating too much algae and plant growth with a small rise in baseline CO2, making it more difficult for volcanic activity to overcome the turnover rate and initiate natural global warming, which is absolutely necessary for an ice age. What they portray as a spike is a correction, as seen in every single volcano in the ring of fire becoming active over the last couple years and dumping more CO2 into the atmosphere than we ever have in our entire existence in a very short time. The ice age has to happen and and that requires global warming. If these shamanistic wannabe gaia worshipping jungle fruits were really that concerned they'd be talking about preparing infrastructure to survive more extreme weather, since all this junk we've come to depend on exists so recently it has never had to cope with whats coming. Notice how no one, not a single person is talking about doing that. Because you are the carbon they want to reduce. Why bother murdering you when they can let the climate do that and tell you its your fault so you just accept it?
>>98211707>You know the same form of computer abstraction currently predicting an inland hurricane by texas next week because they decided to let AI feed it data (if you don't know, this is impossible.)I'm curious to know where you're seeing this.
>>98211707Uh, you sure you have your Orders of Magnitude in order?USGS says all yearly global volcanic emissions of CO2 top out at 440 million metric tons, while NOAA puts human carbon emissions at 35 BILLION metric tons per year.
>>98211707Holy shit, its Phil Eklund in the flesh!Dude, when is your mext Pax game coming out?My group just learned Pax Porf (I know, I know, a bit slow to the chase) and it was brilliant.Any chance your son Matt is designing anything new as well?
>>98189677Thiel Is a redditer
>>98211768Yes I'm sure, the problem is the algorithms and the zealots in charge of them fudging the data entry to get absurd figures like that. No independent group could ever replicate that, nor have they ever been able to, because its bullshit and always was.>>98211783I have no idea who that is.
>>98212129>I have no idea who that is.Sorry for blowing your cover uncle Phil.I get it though, after being banned from the 'geek and all, you want to keep things on the down low.I feel you, but just know you've still got big fans out there ;)
>>98212134From what I'm reading he just has a standard (correct) view on it before they started the campaign to rationalize global domination and genocide, using Malthusianism as a framework.
>>98212129You will never actually cite data to prove your point, because it's just a religion to you at this point.
>>98212367>no uReally? Already? The replication crisis should have had you in revolt by now if you actually value truth. You clearly don't. At best what you have is faith, at worst, a lazy rationale for comfortable complacency.
>>98212129>No independent group could ever replicate that, nor have they ever been able toFunny, it's actually the opposite, where the 1-3% of studies that don't agree with this concussion are based on faulty data or unreplaceable results...>>98212431>The replication crisisYou mean the crisis where unreplaceable results that don't stand up to scrutiny gain far more attention due to their controversial, sensationalist claims?
