It FLOPPED
>>98171187Where’s the “selling fast” marker of a flop then?Your lgs with stacked boxes doesn’t count as it is anecdotal.
Okay. That's pretty cool.
>>98171187So? How does it affect you?
>>98171397If it flopped, they will have to lower prices and that’s good for me
>>98171187Other than the weird chicken-walker I actually quite like this one, but I have a tonne of other shit to paint at the moment
>>98171187Pretty expensjve where I live but couldn't you play quite a good game of 2nd ed with this lineup, maybe a few figures to round out the squad no?
>>98171408>lower pricesI don't think it's healthy to consume that much copium, anon.
>>98171187Anyone still into the gaming aspect of 40k is to be ridiculed on sight.From a purely collecting/painting standpoint, the Ork half is great while the Space Marine half is bland as fuck, I can't imagine someone that's into Space Marines not already owning better versions of all of that shit.What's really funny though is that as overpriced as this is, it still is better value compared to the Starcraft TMG starter, which tells you everything you need to know about the kind of competition 40k has and why it has survived so long.
>>98171452Technically correct tho: Both Dominion as well as Skaventide had been available long enough to get some very deep discounts during black friday sales. If that would happen with Armageddon, that would be very beneficial to players in general.
>>98171465>it still is better value compared to the Starcraft TMG starterIs it? That one has a full set of terrain in it after all.
>>98171641Terrain only matters if you actually play games.
>>98171685Thats fair, but i'm still seeing no higher value in Armageddon. It has more miniatures, but also costs more. And Starcraft has plastic terrain, a cloth gaming mat, tokens, cards, dice and all that stuff.I guess you could argue that Armageddon has a nice hardcover lore book, but that will be available for free once someone has it scanned.
>>98171641It has a few flat walls anon, I'd hardly call that a full set of terrain. "Terrain" aside, the Starcraft starter has 10+ less models (and a significantly less variety of them, let alone quality) and no hardcover lorebook. And it costs a mere $20 less of what is supposed to be the most overpriced miniatures game on the market and the one it's supposed to undercut. I was genuinely rooting for Starcraft but this shit is baffling to me.
>>98171754>the Starcraft starter has 10+ less models>And it costs a mere $20 less yes, and it costs 40€ less, msrp. Its 240€ and 199€.>It has a few flat walls anonIts enough to play games, and you seem to forget the mat. Armageddon has nothing of the sort.I have not bought either of them, nor will i, but i really dont see where Armageddon has more value if i have to pay a lot more, to get a couple more minis and nothing else.
>>98171957Noone buys MSRP anon... The lowest I could find Starcraft with preorder discount is 160€ while Armageddon is 180€ with the regular 25% off. One has some cheap terrain and a playmat, the other has 10 extra models, much better quality models and a hardcover tome. Even if we assume the contents are equal, entering the market at just 10% cheaper than the established game you're trying to lure customers from, is not a good look.
>>98172059And noone compares discounts, because MSRP is what matters if you want to compare prices. One is a proper starter set, with everything you need to actually start. The other is a cheap way to get a lot more monopose warhammer minis, with no additional gaming material and a hardcover book that will be floating the internet within a week after release in pdf format.
>>98171187Only things I'd want from the box just got announced to be going on preorder soon. I would have wanted the Orks for my ork army but I havent touched that in ages and it has no coherent theme to it.The Marines are just shit, only new things are the land speeder, jump chap and monopose Vanguard vets. Did we really need remakes of intercessors, eradicators and the other marine characters. The Eradicators annoy me the most cause why does it have to be a separate unit? Just wrap it into the current Eradicators.
>40k flopping>tow CATHAYED>aos is aosHow's horus heresy doing these days?
>>98172186Saturnine box still available in a number of 3rd party stores. And hopefully this will be how it ends up to be for 40k too.If someone a year from now wants to get the Armageddon box, he should simply be able to find one at a normal price from a normal store.
>>98171187Its the tupperware lids on the heavy bolters that ruined it for me. Whoever's idea that was should be flogged. They're not big enough to provide any sort of worthwhile protection, they just add weight and target acquisition time for no reason. I hate it.
>>98171187blood angels are dumb and gay, simple as
>>98172232It's the one in every three of them are pulling out a pistol. Imagine having 9 of those models.
>>98172148>monoposeThere basically has never been a better argument in favor of "dynamic monopose" than taking the assembled tactical space marines in the Armageddon box and putting them next to the "multi-part" Terran Marines. Also, literally half of the Starcraft box is the same zergling copy-pasted x25.>comparing MSRPboth of these products are only available during preorder window anon, the price people will actually pay not mattering is some next level cope.I don't have a stake in either game (like you seem to do). Archon is attempting to make a significant dent to 40K... one would think their launch starter box should represent the best value they can ever provide, it being even comparable (much less almost the exact same) to the corresponding product of their overpriced 40-year old established competitor simply won't cut it.
>>98172349>There basically has never been a better argument in favor of "dynamic monoposeI haven't even heard about the Starcraft thing before this thread, but those just look awful and almost any pose you can put them in looks as if they shat their armour. This doesn't mean that monoposes are somehow better than customisable multi-part kits in any way.
>>98171465>Anyone still into the gaming aspect of 40k is to be ridiculed on sight.>From a purely collecting/painting standpoint, the Ork half is great while the Space Marine half is bland as fuckAgreed on all three counts. Except the ork walker, that's ass, but the rest of their models are great.
>>98172335I didn't even notice because I'm orkblind from seeing so many seas of them.
>>98172376Holy shit are those actually what the Starcraft models look like? Oh no no no no ahahaha
>>98172349>the price people will actually pay not mattering is some next level cope.Comparing anything besides MSRP is pointless because the usual discount on GW depends on your location. For you 25% is normal, the next person would kill for a store with even 20% in his country.That is also why whenever people ask about salary, it's always before taxes. Because you can't know the specifics and that's why you choose the number that is the same for all.
>>98172406That's the shittiest color scheme anyone could've ever picked for them to be fair though. They painted them, for some unfathomable reason, to look like the ultrasimplified in game models instead of the cinematic renders.
>>98172430Yeah being real and not just shitposting, I do think it's partly the paintjob not doing them any favors. But still, those are very unimpressive compared to what their main competitor is putting out with 40k.
>>98172437I guess its the best you can expect from poles beholden to blizzard licensing. They could really benefit from diverging heavily from the RTS but I don't think they're even allowed to.
>>98172464Supposedly they have the rights to use anything from the expanded SC universe including novels and comics
>>98172492Well what the fuck, where's these guys as an Imperial Guard knockoff then?
>>98171187>flopI would like to see the sales in 3 months. At very least I can get some speeders for cheap.
>>98172516I'm personally hoping to get some cheap boys from this set. Not very interested in anything else, but I always wanted to have like one squad of Orks to paint and those look quite nice. Also would come in handy as enemy minis for RPGs
>>98171452I remember when people were saying voting with our wallets would never fix video games. There isn't always going to be another wallet to replace
>>98171187I shant be buying because I don't want any fucking marines.
>>98171187>pushfit>monoposeWho would even?
>>98172603>voting with our walletsWhy does anyone think this works after fifteen years of investment scummery and government subsidy propping up businesses that lose billions practically for fun but never go under?
>>98172603Are video games fixed?
>>98172335Hopefully there will be a multipart release at some point.It does suck though, since starter box units are way cheaper to pick up either locally or on Ebay/whatever. I guess you'll have to use it as an "opportunity" to use your modeling skills.
>>98172606>I shant be buying because I don't want any fucking marines.Ok> Find a marinefag in your area> You both buy a box> He gives you his orks> You give him your marines> Convert or trade the extra characters> End up with ~1500 points of Orks and 0 points of Marineseasy peasy
just make a steel legion 28mm box with 50 troopers and make it 100 dollars
>>98171187good. thats a great thing from a consumer perspective, because it means there will be more cheap models available this edition.its terrible when the shit sells out instantly and gets scalped to hell
>>98172622Anon, they're not going to prop up Games Fucking Workshop. Bailouts are for business with lobby money. GW is a bottomfeeder in comparison to them.
>>98172657Did that with the Dark Vengeance box. The guy I bought it with wasn't even from the same area and offered to mail me my half, but under a sudden impulse I've decided to do a whole day long bicycle trip to his city, pick up the minis and return home via train instead. Fun memory.
>>98172665The UK is a bumfuck tiny island hell yeah they'd prop up GW. It isn't like bongs have any exports besides 32mm models and cringe.
>>98172674You just reminded me that I somehow ended up with two sets of the Dark Angels half (built and primed) in a trade at one point. I don't even play Dark Angels.I should throw them on Ebay and see what happens.
>>98172707How much?
>>98171187Most new orks look like shit, but these new sculpts are actually not that bad.
>>98172376kek looking like fisher price spes muhreenz 4 babby. this shit is a straight up embarrassment, imagine buying this
>>98171187god new spacemarines are soulless
>>98174681Similar to most primaris designs.
>>98172376>what if we made Votann but gay
>>98172645To a significant extent yes, the companies that were the worst offenders as far as "not giving the customer what they want" have either bankrupted or scaled down immensely, and games being associated with stuff like Sarkeesian or Sweetbaby means they'll receive so much backlash that they either avoid the association or try to camouflage it as best they can. Still, the videogame industry is not in a great place at the moment but most of it has to do with industry-specific financial issues, the hardware crisis etc, things that the end customer can't affect.
>>98171465>someone that's into Space Marines not already owning better versions of all of that shit.Its a fucking starter set tho
>>98174862It's a starter set, but clearly aimed at existing players, not complete newbies. For those, there will be the usual recruit and veteran boxes with slightly less stuff.
>>98172376now i know why close up images were so rare lol
>>98171452I want a sprue of boys/gretchin for roaming enemies for a necromunda campaign for cheap, so scalpers trying to clear stock is excellent for me.
>>98175574They were on eBay for 12€ each yesterday
>>98175574The box being still available here and there is really a good thing for the average hobbyist.
>>98171187This is why you need Ultramarines in the box.
>>98177832There have never been Ultramarines in a starter set, there have only been generic marines painted as Ultras. None of them had Ultramarine iconography modelled onto the miniatures. The same is true of this box, it isn't Blood Angels, it's generic marine models they just painted red. Doesn't make a single fucking difference.
>>98177925>Doesn't make a single fucking difference.Wrong.Blue is the most popular color and the color of the good guys. This box desperatly needed to be Ultramarines.
>>98177938No it desperately needed to have Marine models that don't suck. Everyone is sick of Primaris. Leviathan sold gangbusters because GW gave us classic Terminator designs scaled up to modern proportions instead of some "Gravis Interlocutornator" bullfuck dogshit.
>>98177972This is the box where they started pushing the old style marine armour.People want pure and good primaris, not dwarf marine taint.
>20% discount at the lgs61 minis for about $260ish after tax is bretty good by GW standards
>>98177925>There have never been Ultramarines in a starter set, there have only been generic marines painted as Ultras.Ultramarines are the generic marines you doofus. There's an entire document about how they are the generic standard as a foundational part of both in game fluff and the term for army specific books. >Codex Astartes
>>98178036>This is the box where they started pushing the old style marine armourThey gave us two fucking old helmets still attached to ugly primaris bodies with the same fisher price round toy backpacks and jump packs, those ugly eradicators, and primaris-ified the land speeder. It's failing because at this point people are fucking sick of Primaris.
>>98171409That's the only good thing in the box though.
>>98179425The wartrakk is great, idk what you are on about
>>98179425>>98179468The entire ork side is pretty great to me. Pseudo-monopose boyz is a bit rough but there's enough options that they look fine to me. Far superior to the previous monopose boys and can be splashed in and spruced up with any old ork kits you might have some leftover bits from.
>people call it a starter set>even though its 500 dollars and still doesn't have everything you need to play>and it's only available for a limited time>and the models in it were intentionally made bad and unoptimised while the rules punish you for having unoptimised units so if you decide to actually progress the army you'll be shelving most or all of them
>>98179639I could criticize GW all day and this is just retarded.
my FLGS had it on display today and it was like 450 AUD with the discount, nah fuck that.
>>98172059>Noone buys MSRP anonI don't get how retarded and checked-out of reality you have to be to say something like this.There are indie stores that have been open for 10-20 years that charge MSRP. The GW stores and online storefront have several times the inventory that LGS' have, and they still often sell out.I personally do not buy MSRP, but the vast majority of all Warhammer sales are done at MSRP.
>>98171187Only power claw in the whole box is on the medicae. Orks with no power claws... wtf are they thinking
>>98179688Thats about what it comes down to. 450 bucks is like a month of groceries.Meanwhile I could go pick up the ODST starter set for Halo Flashpoint for 160 and it comes with not just enough models for 2 people (albiet a mirror match) but also cardstock terrain and board.
>>98179688What's the average salary in Australia anyway?
>>98171187Been looking to get back into the game and have always wanted to start collecting Orks (collect Daemons). Friend already plays Blood Angels, so this box was a pretty good re-entry for us.>>98171465You don't like playing with friends for fun? Not talking about comp, fuck comp, just some actual narrative casual matches
>>98180093>just some actual narrative casual matchesThe issue is how gutted this aspect of the game is, if an ability, artifact, spell, is unbalanced or doesnt get comp play, it gets removed
>>98171187>tfw normies are finally moving on from 40kFeels good man
still sold out at all(?) the shops in the UK that give a discount.
>>98179639Damn, I didn't know it was that much. What is even in it that justifies that cost at all? I'm squinting at ops pic trying to figure it out and I just can't. That was the cost of like six land raiders when I played last.
>>98171187Some high octane wishful thinking and cope
>>98181874It's roobux.
>>98181909Oh its $395 in non dollarydoos. Still that's fucked though.
Australians earn around 100k AUD on average, while bongs earn around 40k GBP on average per year. Obviously Aussies are expected to pay at least twice the price.
>>98172297This.
>>98182130It's $295 MSRP in USD. Idk what you're smoking. I paid like $240 at the LGS.
>>98181273nature is finally healing
>>98172297>secondaries think it's "Blood Angles" in the boxIt's literally generic marines.
They're saying it's selling worse than Dominion.
>>98172376I had a feeling the studio paintjobs were doing a lot of heavy lifting.
>>98171187The marine half is too bland even for marinefags like me.Hard pass on this one. Indomitus was a banger, Leviathan was carried by new termies. This has nothing worthy to offer.
>>98171465I agree on the Ork half being very good but GW did genuinely do a good job making space marine chapters diverse and different enough, while being mainly differentiated by an arbitrary paintjob, that people will always buy more marines to start a new army. Doesn't matter that its just red and black instead of blue and gold, Flesh Tearers feel nothing like Ultramarines. My real complaint about the marine half is that the heavy bolter marines should have been swapped out with a more substantial unit to bulk out that half. The equivalent unit in Leviathan was 5 models, not 3. I do prefer how the "basic" line marines are just regular marines versus something as niche as flamethrower marines. I get people "already have them" but if you're not big on flamethrowers it was a real dint on Leviathan.
>>98184462>Flesh Tearers feel nothing like UltramarinesLolLmao
>>98172219You can't really extrapolate the box sales into how popular HH is though because of how bizzare and specific the things they included in the box were. Half of it is saturnine stuff which some people like and some people hate, and there's also this turret thing that not everyone will be interested in.The previous Age of Darkness set was perfect, it was all the most popular, standard units that worked for all legions and that anyone into the game almost definitely liked. They knew it was too good so decided to get rid of it and try to leverage launchbox hype to force saturnine stuff into being universally popular. I don't think it worked. These things will at best be the Kroot of Horus Heresy. Something that definitely has its passionate fans but is very often excluded entirely even from large lists and armies in which it could be included.
>>98172674The Dark Vengeance minis are so fucking intricate to paint for a starter set if they're actually your first minis. If you paint them as Dark Angels you'll have just a great fucking time getting green and white in all the right places on those chapter badges. And that's the easy half.
>>98184462>Flesh Tearers feel nothing like Ultramarines.Only to a marine fag
