What drives players to willingly use an LLM as a """""GM"""""? (Or, the lengths players will go to avoid GMing.)I am currently staring down a recruitment post:>The system does not require a traditional GM. Everything will be generated on the fly, which means I’ll also be able to participate as a player instead of only running the game.>We’ll use ChatGPT as the narrator. Players will describe their actions, we’ll provide dice rolls and prompts, and ChatGPT will help narrate the results, rooms, encounters, monsters, clues, and twists.>The tone will be a straightforward fantasy adventure: dangerous dungeons, strange monsters, and an undead villain waiting somewhere in the dark.Why? To what end? (Frankly, I get the feeling that the recruitment post itself is LLM-generated, too.)This is not even the first time I have encountered LLM-based GMing:https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96077242/https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96415193/https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97097344/https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97122542/
>I’ll also be able to participate as a player instead of only running the game.It says so, right there>inb4 why not just join a regular game as a playerMaybe they're chronically unrecruitable
>>98174991I understand using AI for solo play where you can't find friends willing to play or you want to be able to play on a whim. Had a friend recommend Old Greg's Tavern. I tried it, but it wasn't for me.As for using AI to GM a group, I think it comes down to wanting to play, but no one wanting to do the homework required for a good game. From my experience, life is too busy that I only have time for a weekly game. It wouldn't be possible if I also had to plan the sessions. There's also the fact that the group all lacks the experience or the confidence to GM.If you're going to pay a LLM (I hope you're not using a free model), you might as well pay a person for a better experience.
>>98174991Look, as somebody who's been knee-deep in this since the very start, I understand that lots of people get angry at mere sight of AI-generated content. Sometimes I do too.Of course the GM shouldn't be outsourcing 100% of his brain to ChatGPT during session with actual human players.I've started all of this because tabletop gaming is a hard hobby to maintain and I understand why. Most people work, or have chores, or can't commit to my levels of autism. Playing with strangers online is even harder to do regularly. I've tried. Nowadays, I do play IRL, but only 5e 2014 (but I've ran one CoC7e session, fingers crossed I'll run more soon!). There are hundreds of RPGs I'll never get to play and neither will most people on this Earth. That's exactly why I use LLMs for solo gaming. It's completely harmless, inside my comfort zone. I play how I want when I want. It's not perfect, but it's good enough for me, especially when my only choices are AI or not playing the system at all.
>>98175101If they're chronically unrecruitable that's kind of a red flag to not join their game desu
>>98175155There's also chronically unrecruitable people in terms of sports. Some of the biggest fatasses still enjoy sports vidya and nobody cares.
>>98175101>chronically unrecruitableHow bad would a player have to be to reach that level?
>>98174991>why do retards do retarded thingsWhy would you expect them not to?
>>98175159Did you outsource this comment to an LLM or something because this is the dumbest point I've seen all day.
>>98175220I didn't. I'm just stating how it is. Sometimes the people who are most into some activity are the ones you wouldn't want to actually play with.
>>98175229Do I really have to break down how bad of a point this all is or are you gonna keep doubling down if I do? Because we're now comparing three different things with different barriers of entry and I'll be honest I think you're just wrong.
I am done replying.
>>98175155Yeah>>98175165I mean, just look at the slew of spergs on his board for example
>>98175165I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. The worst is when they’re perfectly lovely people outside of games, just somehow completely unmanageable as soon as there are dice in front of them.
>>98174991GM shortage caused by shit rules books and DECADES of bad advice online. Way more players than gms therefore llm "gms" were an eventuality. Fixes? Games with actual useful info on running games with tools that help in running games. Ignore youtubers and other retards online, read the rules, play games.
>>98175310GM shortage? There's arguably more forever GMs with no players.
>>98175303Go on...
>>98175142Never seen an LLM that gets at least surface level understanding of rules for anything but D&D 5e.
>>98175579Obviously. It takes quite some work to get anything right. I'd argue that it doesn't have actual understanding of 5e either, it has just scraped enough subreddits and forums to know some meta about the world's only popular tabletop RPG.
>>98175315While there are more lonely GMs than ever the hobby has been absolutely swarmed by the most retarded possible players. Lazy, stupid, brand-following nitwits even more deluded than the fans of professional wrestling. John Cena can probably throw a solid punch if he really needs to, whereas the "luminaries" of popular D&D shows literally cannot run a real game.
>>98174991Because they refuse to GM themselves and just want a GM that always says yes to their stupid shit instead of pushing back like an actual human. I don’t really get it, but I don’t really have to since these sorts of people aren’t at my table nor in my friend group, so no skin off my nose they want to spend their time like this.
>>98174991Mental illness.
>>98175165They'd have to be slightly above average /tg/ posters.
>>98174991Some people just want AI to take over every part of their lives and never do anything by themselves ever again.>Why? To what end?Because they've been told by corporations that "AI is the future", I guess.
>>98175315There's GM shortage in D&D 5e and player shortage in non-D&D games.Figuring the reason why is left as an exercise to the reader.
>>98177206I never want to DM 5e again. Maybe finish the old loose threads, but I'll certainly never start another 5e campaign. I'm done wasting entire sessions on a single combat encounter and learning 5 different magic systems just to know what my players are doing. The only thing 5e is good for is epic boss fights. It's too bloated for anything else. I have no idea why noobs to the hobby think this is the default and easiest entry level system. Each iteration of D&D is more complicated than the last. That being said, I'd rather play with AI than teach another person how their special snowflake Tiefling Bard works different from special snowflake Centaur Ranger.
>>98174991Also this is reddit copy-paste thread.
>>98177336>I'm done wasting entire sessions on a single combat encounter You should run between 3 and 6 encounters per session actually. Maybe it's just you. Maybe you should git gud.>learning 5 different magic systems5e has one magic system. You seem confused>I have no idea why noobs to the hobby think this is the default and easiest entry level system.Funny that you differentiate yourself from the noobs since only a noob that has only ever played 5e could ever believe your next point:>Each iteration of D&D is more complicated than the last.Which is objectively and demonstrably false.
>>98175142>it's good enough for meExactly this mindset is going to cause the collapse of all civilization down the line.
>>98179528Why?
>>98179528That's entropy, moron,
>>98176538Some people just absolutely can't handle the smallest amount of personal responsibility. If you tell them you're going to lock them in a pod with a food tube and VR porn they'll think it's heaven.
>>98185536The fallacious notion that things need to constantly progress or they collapse. In reality stability is the goal. All "progress" has been harmful to humanity for the past 5000 years.
>>98186287Depends what you consider humanity. People today are very far removed from their animalistic migratory hunter gatherer ancestors. We can't be anything like them because the world is overpopulated. There were probably less than 100000 HGs when they've exterminated their natural prey so they were forced to grow crops or die. We're fundamentally different animals at this point, same as wasps who live wildly compared to their domesticated honeybee offshoots.
>>98186287What’s wrong with penicillin?
>>98186725I'm allergic to it
>>98186731Sounds like a skill issue
>>98186775Yeah, It's the only antibiotic that actually works.
>>98185831>thermodynamicist enters a sociology discussion
