It's weird how so much modern fantasy seems kind of anti-religion, especially when Gods are literally real. And it's always the Catholic stand-in, all the other religions are always shown as being more 'in tune' with the reality of things than anyone else.
>it's weird how fiction reflects the people that make it
>>98187199Writers had to go to Sunday school as a kid and feel like it was child abuse. The real question is why they'd still give them super cool outfits even as antagonistic forces.
Okay, what systems does this apply to?
>>98187216Fpbp
>>98187199It's weird how you thought this thread was more necessary than just making your game how you want it to be, especially since that's the main advantage of TTRPGs. And these sorts of threads are always made by retards who scrape Pinterest, ArtStation, Reddit, etc.
This thread doesnt have enough disingenuous shitposts in it yet>>98187199>religion that constantly beefs with the natural sciences>religion that says reality is just a shit-test to avoid eternity in the bad noodle roaster>why do materialists depict us as out of touch with nature? Its a mystery. We may just never know.
>>98187199Because in a TTRPG, the gods need to be noninterventionist otherwise when the shit hits the fan hard enough the party has legitimate cause to simply escalate the problem. "Hey Rathnor God of Benevolent Light, this guy has a zombie army that is snowballing in size with every victory and we can't stop his necromancer ass. Please help."Rathnor going "Oh, shit, good catch on that one. Give me a moment.... and they're gone. Need anything else while I'm at it?" isn't a particularly satisfying end to an adventure. So there needs to be a reason why the gods don't solve the problem. The gods have to be basically useless, unable or unwilling to do anything overtly, and the modern framework for religion that works like that is Christianity.Abrahamic God works in 'muh mysterious ways' instead of solving problems that we are told he can solve effortlessly. Theological debates as to the nature of god and the problem of evil aside, this functionally is what a modern writer thinks of in terms of a god that doesn't actually do anything. As opposed to pagan religions, which very much believed that their gods were active and interventionist and part of the reason why the world sucked was that the gods WERE doing stuff and they were kind of pricks.
>>98187199Overuse of subversive imagery got boring but we're still stuck socially pretending its daring criticism.
>>98187199>And it's always the Catholic stand-inWhen you play games in a setting based on medieval Europe, then yes, the organized religion is based on Catholicism. Try playing a game based on ancient Greek, and suddenly the evil religion is based on a corrupt pagan cult. >>98187617>Abrahamic God works in 'muh mysterious ways' instead of solving problems that we are told he can solve effortlessly.I think it's less "Abrahamic" and more "any religion in the age of the video camera." God does a whole lot of divine intervention in Abrahamic mythology, after all.Any and all gods switched from miracles to subtle manipulations the exact moment that people started caring about evidence.
>>98187648>Try playing a game based on ancient Greek, and suddenly the evil religion is based on a corrupt pagan cult.Silly anon, no one ever write evil pagan or foreign religions. Only fantasy Christianity or a vague stand in is allowed to be evil.
>>98187621People have been making excuses for succubi and demons since the Middle Ages, you disingenuous fuck.
>>98187657>>98187648>When you play games in a setting based on medieval Europe, then yes, the organized religion is based on Catholicism.This is a you problem.
>>98187199What I think is interesting is that we are seeing more settings that resolve this problem by just outright making their gods cosmic horrors. You can pray to them, but you're not praying to a guy on mount olympus even if thats what the statue in the church you go to looks like. The gods are all vast, ineffable things or extradimensional forces interfering with lower realities we can't comprehend. Like how Elden Rings lore is basically just a big game of tug of war between elder gods across history, with their terrestrial proxies rising and falling as the gods score wins and losses. Or sometimes they do something stupid and poke their god into wiping out most of the world. Fucking Fell God...
>>98187199>all the other religionsWhat other religions? Give examples. Most fantasy media, rarely if ever has more than one actual religion present, and if it does at all then they are all using the generic DND pantheon thing where most of the religions are generic and barely fleshed out.
>>98187199Examples from your own traditional games perhaps? You do play games, right?
>>98187199>It's weird how so much modern fantasy seems kind of anti-religionWhich ones?
>>98187199>why does the religion filled with people who can't fucking mind their own business keep on butting heads with trying to control and kill everyone they don't like?
>>98187773I dunno, what about your religion that want to control everything and kill everyone? Oh, right, that's 'different' because its not really a religion.
>>98187199Bad writers can't write beyond their own personal experience. Theydon't live in a world wheregods are provably real so they can't conceptualize how things would be different if that were the case. They remain mentally aetheistic in their owm fantasy saying
>>98187621Nerdy succubi are the best kind of succubi.
>>9818781260% of fantasy authors and game designers are practicing Mormons, and they still keep making evil Christian-based churches.
>>98187836>mormons>religious Choose one and only one
A lot of Christians have demonic blood lust, they constantly yell about being punished in hell and the wrath of God more than peace, forgiveness, and love. The entire religion says to "be like Jesus". But the defining characteristic of Jesus is martyrdom. Hence, Christians HAVE to believe they are being persecuted. Except they then forget to be like Jesus.
You're bringing up a trope almost exclusively found in video games on a board about tabletop games.
>>98187199I literally don't think this is true of any modern fantasy I've encountered outside of JRPGs. What are your examples?
>>98187834When you think about it, The Brothel for Slaking Intellectual Lusts is just a fancy hostess club with exotic interesting girls you can book time to talk to.
>>98187904I have no idea how a place like that could stay in business.Particularly if there was an actual brothel anywhere nearby.
>>98187834This art needs serious work.
>>98187617Pretty easy solution is that the PCs ARE the god's intervention, whether they believe it or not.
>>98187940You really need to give up already, you weird troll.
>>98187621>IRL Church literally burned people alive for disagreeing about obscure interpretations of their book of lore"Guise, no, don't be mean to the Global Pedo Org."
>>98187925In the context of Planescape it makes sense, because Sigil is full of weird philosophical nerds and shit. Its sort of baked into the setting.IRL, Asia has had Host clubs and Hostess clubs/caberetes for ages. You basically go in, book a table, maybe request a specific person who works there if they are your 'favorite', and their job is basically to spend time with you, pretend to be interested in what you say, encourage you to drink more, and generally you get an hour or so of being able to pretend that this supermodel looking person is your boyfriend/girlfriend and wants to hear about your day. Its scratches the emotional itch of needing someone who cares about you, but not the physical lust aspect of it (legally, at any rate. There is always some amount of backrooms dealing for off the book stuff going on somewhere). They stay in business by encouraging patrons to throw their money around on expensive food and drink from the establishment, and cultivating a group of regulars that come back time and time again for specific hosts/hostesses that they are emotionally attached to. Kind of like the parasocial relationship that people who donate to streamers can have, except you have their undivided attention instead of being one among hundreds of faceness screen names.
>>98187966Which brings us back to 'muh mysterious ways' shit and by default making the religion of the setting not-christianity with a functionally noninterventionist god.
>>98187621>>98187834Succubi who drink hot cocoa are the best and I didn't even know that was a thing.
>>98187986I mean it's pretty arrogant to say that the god isn't intervening because you can't tell, or that he isn't intervening in the way you would want him to.
>>98187977Asian hostess clubs do have a heavy sexual angle and basically fill a role of tamer strip clubs, with the same general goals.I just don't think there's much of a market to talking with a nerd.
>>98187971>"Guise, no, don't be mean to the Global Pedo Org."But enough about the American government and media complex
>>98188376The Catholic=Pedos joke is kind of funny when you look at the statistics and see how vile places like other Christian denominations or public schools are. Demonizing the Catholic church when synagogue and mosque scandals are swept under the rug is also a weird choice.
>>98188461>a weird choice.Because it never happened. Only christucks diddle kids
>>98187216I'm an atheist and I always make the gods real and present in my settings. In my own system, I even ensure that there are no gods that are entirely viewed as evil, their roles are interpreted by mortals how those mortals interpret their teachings.I even play a highly religious character in a D&D game I'm in, a Paladin of Bahamut. The idea that you have to have things you create reflect your personal ideologies is the reason modern media sucks so much ass, people just project their feelings onto the things they create and it lessens their quality.
>>98188660Based and truthpilled.I use Gods as embodying parts of the setting - the good and the bad.War God; embodies both the glory and the suffering of war. God of Cities; Both the benefits of civilisation and the corruption of the system.etc
>>98187971>banana faggots will always say the books where burned, but not which onesIt’s all so tiresome
>>98187434>religion that created science as we know it>religion that gives you a way out of the bad noodle roaster>religion that glorifies nature as God's CreationPeople have such a reddit tier understanding of Christianity.
>>98189321Nobody truly understands it because it's not meant to be truly understood. It's just a tool that gets warped and reinterpreted to suit one's agenda while appealing to an authority above man.
>>98187199Because in fantasy gods are actual beings that can fuck you over or simply watch while someone else fucks you over. Unless they're big into micro-managing, in which case its a different kind of bad
>>98187617>Because in a TTRPG, the gods need to be noninterventionistthey could alternatively just be not omnipotent, and/or not able to use their power to influence the material world (except through their priests)off the top of my head, this could be easily explained as a setting's gods being disparate fragments of a singular "true" divinity
>>98189356>I don't understand this thing so it must be something nobody can understandWay to out yourself, dude. Jesus loves you.
>>98187860>>mormons>>religious >Choose one and only oneBruh....Try this on instead:>Mormons are so fucking organized they make their religion look like a super-cult>my own opinion aside:I live in relative contact w the Mollie Mo's, so i offer these three facts to you,> 1: Overly Organized ReligionMormon religion is so structured they have things that we call nothing burger that get you marginalized.Plus, their 'prophets' KEEP adding scriptures, so that the Mormon written doctrine is now a small shelf.> 2: Kindness that can killMormons have such an attachment to kindness, they can literally use it as a shield to cover more nefarious work.See Lego Scandal. They will smile and be loving, then the 5th one who does that plans to rape your sister.Also, have fun rejecting their kindness and friendliness. They take huge insult at that...> 3: The Art of DebateI have had enough dealings with those creatures to tell you, they do not take kindly to reverse UNOMormons are at base level very high skilled at argument, and at higher levels they are almost UNSTOPPABLEin any sort of discussion. Not helped by the fact they have nice gentle delusions of future godhood.I have twice dragged debate with them into wins that they make taste like Vietnam-level quagmire. They just can't.It is literally in their culture to either try to win every debate, or try to shun and cast out every opponent.
>>98189416An infallible book, written by God himself, that immediately starts off with two distinct creation stories, has far more than ten commandments, most of which aren't good moral teachings, and that has been edited and reedited so many times over its entire history. Full of plagiarized ideas from cooler regional religions, depicting a slap fight between many different sources trying to keep their particular version of the fanfic propaganda in line.
>>98187199not entirely, all good gods are basically always sidegrades of jesus
>>98187199Play more gamesWatch less anime
>>98187199I tire of jews.
>>98187199why do you want your RPGs to be more religious?
>>98187812if this were true, why not just suck it up and play a secular RPG?if you want to back up your words, then you shouldnt be bothered by the minor inconvenience of a setting not being defined by a major church
>>98187199It's because organized religion is usually bad and corrupt, independantly of gods being real or not.
>>98187199>>98187216>>98187225>>98187226The real answer is Protestants historically had beef with Catholics.And for hundreds of years, Protestants dominated the Anglophone media and filled it with anti Catholic propagandaIn the past 50-odd years, Jews and Atheists have shifted to dominating the media, and they don't like Catholics either so they're very happy to propagate the tropes they were raised onBest of all, Catholics are an easy target since they are minorities in most Western countries and/or don't consume much of the same media
>>98187971>Global pedo orgAre you referring to schools, which have much higher rates of sexual abuse than churches to this day?Most of the church abuse cases you hear about are from the 70s and 80s but still get paraded around while school abuse cases largely fly under the media's radar (because it isn't as exciting to report on as church-bashing)
>>98187226DND
>>98187874Literally every DND
>>98191164One does have to wonder why all Catgolic great powers came to ruin and are corrupt shells of their former glory. I mean the best one left is France, and considering a murder cult of atheist hedonists overthrew the old order there, I'm not entirely sure it counts.
>>98187617>the only options for gods are "they do nothing" and "they instantly solve all problems"mythologylets really need to stop conflating gods with (their weird notion of) God™
>>98191175Schools don't claim divine authority, either. If the Pope had responded to faggot nonce priests by having them burned alive instead of the families hushed up and the faggot nonce priests transferred to new parishes, no one at all would talk about how the Catholics failed to punish them appropriately. Same goes for the dudes using nuns as their personal harems, or nuns who abused church-housed children. Basically I'm saying the Catholic authorities forgot the importance of 1.) Justice and 2.) Spectacle. The second is baffling because Catholics have always understood spectacle.
>>98187971and the modern adoption industry uses kill teams to murder teen moms in 3rd world countries and steal their babies for 1st world adopters.you got some kind of point?
>>98187773VERY anti-islamic of you anon you're so brave
>>98187873and the trope is only prevelant in video games because of the power fantasy (there is genuinely no other reason that holds weight)
>>98187986>god gives the party an instant full rest and a buff that allows them to beat the next battle easily>"vgh, stupid non-interventionist god"
>>98191230>Schools don't claim divine authorityhow do i even begin to dissect how retarded you are?tell me, if a child doesnt go to school, what happens?
>>98187199You have a bunch of woke reddit atheists get into fantasy. Mind you these fags wouldn't do shit to a non christian coded religion, outside of maybe a western pagan religion.
>>98191300>these fags wouldn't do shit to a non christian coded religionthey wont say a peep against pisslam bro even though all the shit they cry christians did centuries ago muzzies do right now as we speak and livestream it.
>>981912161000+ continuous years of existence is a hard game to play
>>98191230>If the Pope had responded to faggot nonce priests by having them burned aliveHe would be condemned by Interpol and arrested the first time his Popemobile set foot outside Italy?Some Popes didn't deal with the problem decades ago but that hasn't been a thing since the 2000s>Same goes for the dudes using nuns as their personal haremsWhat are you referring to?>Nuns who abused church housed childrenThat was revealed to be a false allegationhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nora_Wall>Nora Wall (formerly Sister Dominic) (born 1948) is a former Irish sister of the Sisters of Mercy who was wrongfully convicted of rape in June 1999, and served four days of a life sentence in July 1999, before her conviction was quashed. She was officially declared the victim of a miscarriage of justice in December 2005. The wrongful conviction was based on false allegations by two women in their 20s, Regina Walsh (born 8 January 1978) and Patricia Phelan (born 1973). Walsh had a psychiatric history and Phelan had a history of making false allegations of rape prior to the event. Phelan subsequently admitted to having lied.[1]
>>98187199>And it's always the Catholic stand-inI've been thinking about this a lot and I can make sense of it. The catholic church is a lighting rod for criticism and attack from especially revolutionary/subversive elements such as progressives, socialists, feminists, jews, Muslims and militant atheists. This makes perfect sense because all these groups see western civilization as it is and wish to replace it with their own designs. The problem is that the catholic church as an institution, as the church founded by Christ through Peter and the most enduring legacy of the Roman Empire, is unironically the final boss of western civilization. It is the last line of defense that needs to be torn down before these groups can put their own plans into motion. And like all final bosses, it has the tendency to refill its health bar after you knock it down and declare "this isn't even my final form!"
>>98191316are you genuinely wondering why works written in english are more heavily informed by their own culture?its almost like the english speaking world has far more to say about Christianity than any other religion
>>98191216>Catgolic great powersThe only Catholic "great power" is the Church, which is the oldest organization still standing, even though it's run very poorly and has been attacked throughout all ages. Countries rise and fall, but the Church remains. We are in the middle of a burgeoning of a new renaissance with zoomers looking to return to legacy, Church attendance and Baptisms are all time high, and barbarians at the gates. Japan even has a new Catholic princess.
>>98187199I actively penalize My players if they make godless heathen characters, and reward them if they're religious and show piety.
>>98187199The cosmology of DnD itself is actually vaguely pro-Catholic as God in Forgotten Realms and all the worlds connected to it is implied to be a fundamentally different, higher being from what DnD typically calls gods closer to His interpretation in the Kabbalah - you don't strictly worship God to His benefit, worship is at best a tool to help humans achieve the enlightenment needed to be one with and embrace Him. Saint Cuthbert is on-par with most pantheon's gods, showing that His followers have effectively unlimited potential.
>>98192289And you can't forget that while deities in fantasy try to rip off pagan gods such as the ancient greek ones, every good and loving deity in fantasy is ultimately just a projection of jesus because jesus is practically to the only good deity in that particular loving sense, while the actual pagan themes for gods that are more like uncaring natural calamities are reserved for evil fantasy deities.
>>98192326Not necessarily; there are examples in history of mythologies where gods willingly stepped down from their positions to deffer to the coming of Christ, most notably elements of the Irish pantheon. Besides Cuthbert whose humanity is on display whenever he bounces alignments between and within editions, there's also also Ao, who understands what God is relative to himself but I wouldn't call him a Jesus analogue.
>>98192414I don't see what stepping down or humility have to do with it. Jesus is a deity that loves his followers in a very human way. There basically aren't any examples of that in paganism.
>>98191387>He would be condemned by Interpol and arrested the first time his Popemobile set foot outside ItalyThink so? As soon declare yourself a pedophile if you did.
>>98192439The point is that under the Christian eye, those gods are still considered saintly (indeed, Brigid was literally elevated to being a saint) in spite of being under the strictest lens proponents of pagan ignorance and predating Christ's appearance. Or, for another example of what I'm attempting to illustrate, Theodosius - last emperor of Rome before the split, abolished the Imperial Cult that would see him deified. Not Jesus, ex-god under a technical manner of speaking, still looked fondly upon by Christianity.Forgotten Realms infers that God is actively keeping Himself separate from the worlds of DnD beyond what is absolutely necessary to keep them running under some inscrutable purpose, so you never get the moment where these benevolent cults discover Him to surrender themselves to, thus you can have pagan gods in the pantheon that would technically be saintly if they had a complete picture of what was occurring around them, but remain polytheistic so as to not completely upend the setting.
>>98192529Okay, but none of that contradicts what I was saying. Jesus is the model for a good god. Inscrutability can be left to the father or holy spirit or whatever.
>>98192542Ah, was that what you're trying to say? I got a bit lost in the sauce.
>>98191387>He would be condemned by Interpol and arrested the first time his Popemobile set foot outside Italy?Not a good look when interpol itself is accused of being complicit in several UN rapes during their peacekeeping missions and for that reason is steadily losing its power to sanctions.
>>98187199Because the people who make RPGs tend to be at least somewhat aware of the world around them. Including things like organized religion, especially in the western world, being more often than not a tool for evil.As for why they tend to be catholic coded, that's way simpler and breaks down to two things.First is that it's easier to write when your oppositional force is organized into a structure. Having a bunch of independently evil churches that all kind of row in the same direction but don't actually fit as a greater whole is difficult to fight.The second is that the Catholics are fucking good at iconography and villains with recognizable iconography are more memorable.
>>98191164Not op but thanks for giving an answer that actually makes sense instead of involving into larpagan or reddit athiest bullshit.
>>98191164>Best of all, Catholics are an easy target since they are minorities in most Western countries andIf your definition of "Western countries" is the anglosphere, maybe. And even then, Anglican/Episcopalians are a Catholic schism and should be thrown under the same umbrella. Yes I know they'll say they're not Catholics but the rituals and aesthetics are the same.
>>98191216>a murder cult of atheist hedonists overthrew the old order there*Tried to. Nappy set them straight and ensured France's monarchical legacy would live on. Granted, he then kidnapped the Pope, but when was the last time a monarch reached sainthood, eh?
>>98189321>>religion that gives you a way out of the bad noodle roasterIn much the same way that the mugger gives you a way out of getting stabbed in the gut.
>>98189321Yes, but why so you repeat it like that here? You need to go back.>>98189416The kike has been dead for over 2000 years. It doesn't matter if he was gay for me or not.
>>98193204ESL-kun...
>>98187283It's weird how you thought this whiny comment was more necessary than leaving your cuck chair
>>98189321You are talking to Americans who were raised by bible belt nutters frequenting a literal zionist "church".
>>98189321Why you shytestain fundie returds always lie as easy as you breathe? Ok, let's examine beginnings of science as we know it:Giordano Bruno - burned at stake for claiming there is more than 1 world, because of course infinitely powerful voodoo grandpa sitting on cloud would make only 1, it's right there in "holy" fanfiction made up by bored illiterate stone age goat herders! Fun fact - muslims welcomed him with open arms because their version of voodoo toilet paper has a typo stating 'Allah is lord of worlS' not 'world' LOL.Copernicus - dared to question completely returded "holy" doctrine of earth being unmoving center of the universe, but after Bruno he was so afraid of being burned at stake he sat on heliocentric theory for 20 years and when he finally published it on deathbed, he was still so afraid of "merciful" church digging up his corpse and burning it with his family included he stated in the opening: WHAT I WROTE HERE IS ALL LIES YES MY THEORY MAKES CALCULATIONS 1000x EASIER BUT IT'S ALL FAKE BULLSHIT I AM NOT HERETIC PLZ DONT BURN MY KIDS OK?Galileo - almost discovered Newton's laws of motion a century earlier (he formulated 2 of them in more primitive form and was working on refining them) but alas, his support for Bruno and Copernicus made fundieturd pope so mad he was sentenced to prison for life, his daughters were forced to become nuns (to ensure they do not procreate) and his jail guardians on the threat of death penalty, and when Galileo developed eye infection due to being locked in dark room, "merciful" church refused daughter request for doctor visit (or at least medicine being allowed in) to make sure he goes blind for extra torture and to humiliate him and his daughters even more.Oh, and then "pro" science church, brainlessturd, made index of forbidden books, where the works of the three above dudes landed, and if you had any, you were burned together with said books at stake. Such pro science and rationalism, much wow!
>>98193344bro i'm not gonna get into what you're talking about, i'll just say that you might get more people to listen to you if you present it in a neutral manner rather than being extremely aggressive about it
>>98193407I am aggressive because fundie liars stealing achievements of people they imprisoned, tortured, ridiculed, and smeared when they were alive always rile me up. First they were guilty of setting the science back hundreds of years (maybe we could have Star Trek level tech by now if not for these stone age imbeciles), then they don't even have the temerity of admitting guild but just lie and steal what they tried to destroy. Anyway, all what I wrote above are true facts, you can even look up opening passages of Copernicus work to see for yourself. Funnily enough the very same facts are ALWAYS being whitewashed from any version of history written by said fundieturds. Gee, I wonder why? Nothing to do with shame and hiding the truth of their vile and repulsive organization, eh? See, I used to be indifferent to all of this, like you, but when I read complete, detailed biography of Copernicus and Galileo, I was SHOCKED how vile, backward, petty and murderous institution the church was, and that was towards people who wasted half of their lives licking church's boots and bending over backwards to please it. If people did not agree with church in 100%, but "merely" on 98%, like cathars or hussites? Why, brutal, complete genocide time. Such merciful, worthy of praise organisation, eh?
>>98193407And to further expand on why the myth of church being pro science is so absurd and monstrous - consider Index Librorum Prohibitorum (Index of Forbidden Books). Here is abridged list of greatest thinkers whose works were completely banned under death penalty (though thankfully these vile scum were not strong to enforce it everywhere or we might have been still stuck in dark ages):Simone de Beauvoir, Nicolas Malebranche, Jean-Paul Sartre, Michel de Montaigne, Voltaire, Denis Diderot, Victor Hugo, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, André Gide, Nikos Kazantzakis, Emanuel Swedenborg, Baruch Spinoza, Desiderius Erasmus, (See Legacy and Evaluations of Erasmus), Immanuel Kant, David Hume, René Descartes, Francis Bacon, Thomas Browne, John Milton, John Locke, Nicolaus Copernicus, Niccolò Machiavelli, Galileo Galilei, Blaise Pascal, Jan Thadeus and Hugo Grotius. There were also women, Magdalena Haymairus in 1569 (listed for her children's book Die sontegliche Episteln über das gantze Jar in gesangsweis gestellt (hilariously enough fundie songs to indoctrinate children while teaching them how to read, but they were not stoneagefundie enough).Or Anne Askew, Olympia Fulvia Morata, Ursula of Munsterberg (1491–1534), Veronica Franco, and Paola Antonia Negri, all for the "crime" of thinking and not being sheep slave church could shear and abuse at will.Said murderburn list was active till 1966, was closed mere 60 years ago, and the reason why was hilarious: "Cardinal Ottaviani stated in April 1966 that there was too much contemporary literature to ban and the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith could not keep up with it." Gee, that sure sounds like pro-reason, reasonable dude, am I rite?
>>98187621Fixed itNow its a good setting
>>98191164It's exactly this. Brits hated the Catholic church and spent centuries promulgating complete bullshit like how the church banned science despite all the science being done at church-run universities or how the Spanish inquisition was a genocide even though only 2% of cases brought before it ended in execution. Most people equate mass witch burnings with Catholics too even though that was an almost entirely Protestant phenomena. Eventually this whole mythology was co-opted by new atheists to push the conflict thesis. The atheist medievalist Tim O'Neill has a great blog about these subjects.www historyforatheists.com
>>98193344You again. Last time you said that Bruno was executed for teaching that God did not "literally live in the clouds" which has never been something the church taught, ever. He wasn't executed for saying there was "more than 1 world" either, or for espousing heliocentrism for that matter. The fact is that Giordano Bruno was not a scientist and he wasn't killed for his "science".https://historyforatheists.com/2017/03/the-great-myths-3-giordano-bruno-was-a-martyr-for-science/>he sat on heliocentric theory for 20 years and when he finally published it on deathbedThis did not happen. At all. It was made up in the 19th century.https://historyforatheists.com/2018/07/the-great-myths-6-copernicus-deathbed-publication/>made fundieturd pope so mad he was sentenced to prison for life,Fact number 1: it was the pope who commissioned Galileo's book to begin with.Fact number 2: Galileo did not actually prove heliocentrism and it was not accepted at the time for scientific, not religious reasons. The Greeks rejected heliocentrism because they argued (correctly, as it turns out) that if the earth were moving around the sun the positions of the stars should shift. But because the stars are so much further away than the sun and planets instruments sensitive enough to detect the stellar parallax weren't invented until 1832. Galileo's theory never addressed this.Fact number 3: Galileo was not "imprisoned for life" and he spent his house arrest living on the estate of a bishop.https://historyforatheists.com/2022/07/cosmic-skeptic/>>98193497> works were completely banned under death penaltyNo one, not one single person, was ever executed for reading books on the index and none of the books were burned either you fundamentalist dumbass.
>>98193344>Oh, and then "pro" science church, brainlessturd, made index of forbidden books, where the works of the three above dudes landed, and if you had any, you were burned together with said books at stake.Name 1 (one) person this ever happened to. Just one. Do it.>>98193443>First they were guilty of setting the science back hundreds of years (maybe we could have Star Trek level tech by now if not for these stone age imbeciles)Uh-huh. Just like on the graph O'Neill calls "the most wrong thing on the internet ever". Please read through his essay here >>98194037 carefully.>Anyway, all what I wrote above are true factsAre they. That's interesting, then it shouldn't be hard for you to cite your sources should it. So go ahead, share where you're getting this information.
bumpCome back Mr. Reddit atheist I want you to answer my questions.
>>98193558Sounds like a fun party for a comedically themed evil campaign >Broc! Faelith! Can you PLEASE stop literally raping my blood cult converts to death?! We'll never get a tax exemption like this!
Le evil church is a JRPG staple for sure but what tabletop IPs have the same trope?40k obviously, Warmachines, and Pathfinder I guess? What else. The Mormons who wrote the D&D fluff didn't seem to push an anti-church message because that would apply to them as much as Catholics.
>>98197913i don't think 40k is a good example because everything around it is just as fucked up
>>98187216This doesn't make sense tough.I'm an atheist. If I wanted to have gods in my setting and make them clearly evil.... people just wouldn't worship them knowingly? Doesn't seem such complicated to me.(if I wanted to make a statement on religion itself, I would have problems with good and active gods knowingly letting people worship bad shit, but that's another can of worms)>>98197913>Le evil church is a JRPG staple for sure but what tabletop IPs have the same trope?Never understood why. I mean, japs don't seem to have their jimmies particulary rustled by religion (even if in popular culture christianity can be sketchier than shinto and buddhism, it generally doesn't fall into evil territory). In JRPG is common as fuck, tough. What gives?
>>98197954maybe they're doing it because they think it makes for a compelling antagonistic force and are not trying to say anything about real lifeit's not like they don't make good religions all the time too, don't act as if evil religions are all they do
>>98187226About 50% of JRPGs.
