Battle for Skull Pass edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>98171049>Thread QuestionWhich Warhammer Fantasy starter set was your favorite?
>TQ5e launch box with the gigachad Bretonnian noble on the cover
>>98188323They hadn't really figured out how to make Brets and Empire distinct yet huh?
>>98188196IoB was the biggest improvement in units for both factions of all the starters and pretty clearly the best value for money.
>>98188515Nah, they were pretty distinct even in oldhammer.
>>98188555>elves getting their 100th fucking refresh I simply do not care.
>>98188555>>98188564Elves got a refresh every 15 minutes and their basic core units somehow still ended up looking pretty shit. High elf archers and spearmen look terrible.
>>98188578swordmasters, reavers and seaguard were all around 10 years old when IoB came out
>>98188578I feel like there are at least decent proxies for both within thier own range and third party shit by now. If only 2 units put them off for you then I simply think the faction isn’t for you. It certainly isn’t for me with their time out corner hats.
>>98188555that set always was a bit weird to me because 10 seaguards simply aren't enoughthey should have made at least 15 and downgraded the griffon to a pegasus
>>98188626>time out corner hatsIt's a blend of fashion/function/historical reference to conical helmets and making the point that they're dickheads
I don't like them very much. There's no space for heraldry.
>>98188942>no space for heraldryThat's what the tabards, caparisons, and shields are for. 5e Bretonnians didn't have the ridiculous shield outline everywhere.
>1-2 posts an hour perryfag won .
I'm looking for maps of museums, for a oneshot WFRP adventure which I'll be running next weekend. The players will be hired thieves sent to loot some artifacts from a Marienburg museum, only to discover that they've been sent in as a sacrifice. A blood ritual, where the museums' owner plans to use their souls to gain power over a dormant Necrotect which he's got stored away in a Sarcophagus. And naturally all the characters - premade - have their own secret agendas and ought to be turning on each other over the adventure. But I'm running out of time and I don't have a map. There's got to be more than one WFRP adventure already set in a museum, right?
>>98190085Use a real museum map and change the names of the exhibits dingus
>>98190445Rude
>>98190032>I have absolutely nothing interesting to say... CURSE YOU PERRYFAG
>>98190445That's actually a really good idea and I think I'm going to do just that. Also gotta plan encounter ideas. My thought was that the Necrotects' latent magic, under the curator's control, is going to "night at the museum" the exhibits such that they come to life and start hunting the party. Skeletal cold ones from Lustria, idols from Araby, Nipponese statues. That kind of thing. But they can't all be stone because then you can't really fight them without specialized tools and the dungeon crawly side doesn't work so well. Bog standard undead from preserved warrior corpses? Wicker men? taxidermied animals and freaks floating in formaldehyde? The "solve" for the adventure would be for the party to establish contact with the Necrotect in its sarcophagus, whom is actually quite upset about being trapped and exploited and wants to go back to Nehekara. He'd assist them in taking down the curator if they have any way to establish communication and trust, which would be no small feat. Obviously I'd like to ask if any of this is too flippantly anti-lore. I can tell it's straining on the ends of Warhammer fantasy proper but I don't think I've crossed the line yet? Thanks anons
>>98190662Taxidermied animals awakening as zombie versions of the animal. You can add creepiness by vividly describing how twisted, tortured, and fucked up they look whilst moving around. Have Chaos warhounds/Cold Ones, mid-level monsters like the cockatrice and smaller Lustrian dinos, one high-level monster like Hydra/Kharibdyss, and make the final boss a Dread Saurian for maximum kino.
>>98190574Fag
luv cathay
>tfw you find a $200 miniature mislabeled for $60 pristine NIBGod I love retards.
Dun mind Cathay
Very early WIP of a 'hill' to go in hand with my winter based chaos. There are four sets of stairs (all will be bricked). Corners will be covered with bark and rockfaces from plaster and rounded up a bit.
Crypt ghouls should cost less then zombies
>that's right guys, we're going to revive the classic WHFB you remember>rules an unholy mishmash of 6e and 8e>Empire sux forever>premier boxset is wokeChaos vs. Chinese mary-sues>in 3 years they couldn't even be assed to finish a mapWow, uh, thank you GW
>>98191001would be a nice place for statues and skulls though
remember to support independent sculptors
>>98191041I want this particular sculptor raped.
>>98191041This is like the deviant art tier OC's that have a little bit of everything that particular autist found cool at 12 years of age.
>>98191021>>Empire sux foreverGood, its what they get for being good 3 editions straight prior.
>>98191053Not the anon that posted it, but that model is clearly a dragon ogre in the style of the artist Ian Miller, who isn't a Warhammer artist but made lots of fantasy art in the 80's that had a very distinctive style and whom John Blanche worked with (I believe he worked or trained under Miller).
>>98191053Which is fitting with the specific style of warhammer art the sculptor is clearly trying to emulate. I dont like the model, I wouldnt get it, but its a very solid recreation of a certain sort of oldhammer (actual oldhammer, not 6e) chaos art.It looks like the sort of thing you would see in black and white in realm of chaos. Personally I prefer the karl kopinski/adrian smith style of chaos to the ian miller style, but thats a subjective thing.
>>98191181>Which is fitting with the specific style of warhammer art the sculptor is clearly trying to emulate.anon, no. Get glasses.
>>98191177>who isn't a Warhammer artistHe very much is. He was quite prominent in the early days afaik, has pieces in Realm of Chaos and made a bunch of stuff for WHFRP 1e. >>98191184It very clearly is Ian Millers style.
>>98191191and someone sells a small range of Miller-based models and terrain>https://myriadminiatures.com/product-category/osmotimeld/
>>98191205Knightmare also has some stuff thats a bit reminiscent of his art iirc.
>>98188196>tqi started with bfsp, and i like all those simple sculpts, and the plastic terrain bits and bobbles.i like the brets in the 5e set and the card terrain, and colourful templates and cards.the 6e starter empire sculpts are also favourites of mine.
>>98191441Is... is this green? On knights ??? AHHHHHH SAVE ME NIGGERMAN I'M GOING INSANE
>>98191441Man. I want those lizard men.
>>98191053I know, it's great, right?
>>98191177>who is a artist who worked on across the entire range of WHFB, WHFRP, and WH40K. ftfy.
>>98191041This sculptor must be reeducated.
>>98191777You should stop samefagging
>>98191824You should bend over for my BWC
>>98191441>>98191456
>>98190929Cathay, if played in a mixed force (one of everything) is strong but fine.If they try to lean into the stronger units, even a little bit, it becomes too strong
>>98191441>>98191456>>98191855
>>981918474 inches doesn't qualify as BWC, anon
>>98191855Just a beautiful model. Such an iconic paint job.Only thing that compares for me is Archaon on his horse.
>>98191847is it really that small that people have to bend over to see it?
>>98190929I like their human units, I dont like their fantasy stuff.
>>98191855>>98191861As if anon hasn't seen that before. Next he'll just sperg that anything post 5th isn't canon.
>>98191855>>98191861Gay nuhammer black library slop doesn't matter, only oldhammer lore is official, and oldhammer had green knights
>>98192151Oldhammer had no lore beyond "HERE BE KNIGHTS"
>>98192151oldhammer is dead and buried, fuck off and die with it
>>98192151Words used to have meaning. You know, you can just say "I prefer the old lore"; you don't have to redefine words like "official" until they mean nothing.
>>98192256It's always a lot of seething instead of just saying "I'm building a 5e Bret army, I don't like the mudcore shit"
I prefer the old lore. I'm building a 5e Bret army, I don't like the mudcore shit. And I'm not using green heraldry, shit's gay and would look bad with my Goblin Green bases. Oh, and faggots in dresses will never be real women, but you already knew that.
>>98192489>I prefer the old lore.bretonnia 5e lore was retarded disney shit, so youre a faggot.
>>98192489Based, except for the green heraldry, which is historical and very cool looking.>>98192595Faggot.
>>98191053>Imagine not being able to recognise the signature look of an Ian Miller design.Holy newfag
>>98192595Faggot.>>98192604>historicalYes.>very cool lookingNo.
>>98192623even Warhammer Fantasy Deivent art OCs aren't that bad, so I'm not what that anon was talking about regarding Miller's art l
>>98192628>says no>posts a very cool looking green heraldryYou're confusing me.
>>98192629>weakest, lowest testosterone questing knight
>>98191723Most people in this thread are unfamiliar with pre-5th edition fantasy. They don't know about the artists, they don't know about the sculptors and they don't know about the writers.
>>98191865It's above the racial average, si yeah, it counts as a BWC
>>98192489>Seething about troons unprovokedThat girldick really has you obsessed, innit?
>>98192629>Mudcore goysloplmao
>>98192639Green heraldry can be done well, but I don't like it. It's personal preference. I don't use the Green Knight model either; I'm going to represent him with Henri le Massif, as my force is mostly from Lyonesse. I love Repanse and HYW-inspired Bretonnia, and the Mousillon/Lyonesse rivalry is one of the rare interesting bits of nu-lore which I actually like.>>98192697Oh cool, the faggot in drag is back. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors, et cetera et cetera. Fuck off and shave your five o'clock shadow again will you?
>>98192703It's a Deivient art OC for Warhammer Fantasy, I would expect it to be a Mudcore Blanshitsu mess
>>98192220Based.
>>98192726No point in arguing with trannies bro. Every single tranny is just a terminally online incel with a porn addiction. The incel to trans pipeline needs to be studied
Karl Franz just flew over my house
>>98192697kys faggot
>>98192831On Deathclaw?
>>98192220>>98192250>>98192595Oldhammer is the only lore that's real. Tell me, which Lord of the Rings lore is the real lore, something written by Tolkien himself, or stuff made by the Tolkien estate in the 21st century? It's a rhetorical question, because everyone knows the answer. Warhammer Fantasy wasn't created by the corporate entity known as Games Workslop, it was created by men who no longer exist at games workshot. Only the lore written by these men -the creators- is official, not the shit churned out by nuGWs unnamed suits. The nulore is essentially corporate funded fanfic
>>98192851No.By himself.He can just do that.
>>98191861>>98191855>>98192604>>98192628I would need to check but iirc green/vert/sinople was actually historically speaking pretty rare as a heraldic colour. It was widely accepted in Anglo-Norman tradition which is why a lot of people see it as traditional but it was heavily regulated in Germanic tradition and again IIRC within France itself, Burgundian heraldry bans it outright, for weird and obscure reasons. I would check but the discussion level ITT is so low I really can't be bothered>>98192726Not every post here is me you know, I don't hang around /wfg/ all day.
>>98192923>Not every post here is me you knowNo. There is another.
Sorry for the wikipedia, but again, go search through this yourselves if you're actually interested.
>>98191181>>98191191these don't even look close to the model though. it maybe inspired by, but in that case the sculptor clearly isn't that good since he doesn't capture the true essence. maybe a paint job can save it. i dunno.
Personally I wouldn’t mind breeding Bret fag. >>98192831There’s goes my hero…
>>98192489I was with you until you had to bring up trannies.Being obsessed with tranny dick is the least chad thing someone can do.
>>98192923The two I posted are French knights from the first crusade. Here's a third one. In France most of them tend to come from the northern tier of France but it's not specific to normands at all. There are many in Brittany and other regions.
These guys were also interesting, I've been trying to think of an interesting way to adapt them into Warhammer for my own Brets, but besides the bone obvious "it's a chivalric order dedicated to the Lady" I haven't come up with anything that interesting yet. Also, if we're going Bretonnian chivalric orders, I much prefer this sort of fraternal order system, where it's just a bunch of knights taking on a very specific oath for a few years and wearing different heraldry. Let's leave the actual templar expies with big monasteries and coffers full of gold to the Empire, otherwise everything starts looking too similar.>>98192931fuark.... it can' be...
>>98192858>Oldhammer is the only lore that's real.You better not be using the empire or bretonnia then, its the western kingdoms for you!
>>98193020>the western kingdomsSo Renegade Crowns? Cool
Here's the first crusade of Louis and his standard bearer Jeanne along with their blessed crusaders.Aided by a divine apparition of the Green Knight, they charged destroyed those construct abomination and threatened the run through the king himself while his footmen watched the battle unfold from the corner of the battlefield!
>>98193020Retard
>>98193039The Tomb King fearing the righteous fury of the crusaders tries to flee from them.
>>98193052Thats...Thats not how undead work, they cant flee from combat, they crumble.
>>98193052He will get cornered after trying to save his unlife for 4 turns but even though the crusaders catch up to him they won't be able to finish him off before the end of turn 6.Still, the proverbial undead kebab was still removed.
>>98193063tomb kings are bitches inherit. I give it a pass.
>>98193063Crank that autism down a notch anon, what happens when a unit flies away to avoid getting charged? It's called fleeing.
>>98193026Somewhat ironically for how unimportant they are, I think the Border Princes are probably one of the few things that have changed very little since their oldhammer incarnation in Plague Daemon books. They even kept Khypris.>>98193047Nah he's right, Bretonnia only gets an army list in WHFB 3rd ed. Also the "oldhammer" 5th edition Bretonnia people keep mentioning here is very much Middlehammer/Herohammer. Oldhammer is Amazons, Nuln being the most important city in the world, Naggaorthi dwarves, Pygmies et al. And back then Bretonnia was either the WFRP 1e version of Ancien Regime France or the WHFB hundred years war mini range cobbled together in the Men of the West army. People forget Oldhammer is like 1983-1990, even though most use it as shorthand for "when I personally got into the hobby as a young child in 1999"
Man, I was rereading some Naheulbeuk (tldr. a big multimedia franchise that evolved from an old RPG satire audioshow in the early 00s) and how do you think GW feels about someone else doing the whole "steal everything and file off the serial numbers" approach to them.
>>98193119Considering they sued an author for using "space marine" as the name of a book that was clearly wholly unrelated to 40k?Very litigiously.
>>98193189Doom also uses the term, as does Starship Troopers, obviously, and many others. GW should accept that it's *their version* of public domain fantasy and scifi concepts and stop giving them stupid fucking copyrightable names which are cringe-inducing to hear or say. Main reason I'll never touch AoS, I refuse to say "Ogor" lmao
>>98193230sounds like you're never gonna learn how to speak spanish then!
>>98193236Ogre in Spanish is ogro, not ogor.Fool.
>>98193236I don't mind Spaniard Spanish, but droning goblin Spanish like they speak in South America and Mexico is absolutely fucking disgusting.
>>98193244Dios mio
>Skill ceiling for TK: walk towards your enemies and the ones that don't shoot them from across the board with no negatives ever takenWhy is this faction so strong while being for literal children? I have never seen one undead player do anything even remotely considered an intelligent move
>>98193119They're surrounded by people aping their stuff or the stuff they first aped, at this point I believe they know that trying to fight them is a losing battle and the only way forward is doubling down on recognition.
>>98193281>Why is this faction so strong while being for literal children? because it's meant for children and manchildren and other beginners so you cannot design it to require any particular skill or thought otherwise the beginners have a sour experience by losing their first games and never get fully into warhammer, or at least enough to spend thousands within a year or two.And also because tomb kings historically were a shitty army overshadowed by vampires, so gw is afraid that if they don't make it strong enough it will go back to being just as unpopular as before.
>>98193249eh Its still better than english. phonetically my rankings in langauges that i've had to engage with is Japanese> Spanish (south american) = Spaniard > Korean > greek > whatever the fuck is spoken in crete > english > Mandarin > Portuguese And of course patois is just the pinnacle of human language with creole being the absolute worst of them all.
>>98193119>khornettoh>tzinntch>niourgl>fucking slanoushMy sides
>>98192858Based. When looking for canonicity you look for the oldest source not the newest.
Will they ever come back? Or are they forgotten, and forsaken?
>>98193357that kit specifically? most probably not, I believe TOW wants to move forward as much as possible with only new kits for their big tow ranges like cathay, and soon chaos.
>>98193357the kit was barely available when it launched never mind 10 years later
>>98193357Just kitbash your own. I used the Aos marauders as a base and stuck some greenstuff with extra heads on them.
>>98193447>Aos TZEENTCH marauders*
>>98193281
>>98193065You playing against a pajeet LMAO
>>98193357maybe but as a new kit. guess one could kitbash them with a chaos spawn and warrios boxes, but it might be better to proxy or 3d print them. ye olde mutations sprue could work, too
>>98193083"Oldhammer" isn't an officially defined term with years assigned, you cum filled anus. It's a vague description
>>98193230Starship Troopers doesn't use the term Space Marine once. I read the book cover to cover last week
>>98193476>"Oldhammer" isn't an officially defined term with years assignedit is in many groups that focus on the stuff, especially trade groups and people making minis in the "oldhammer style"
>>98193502Okay, 3rd party resellers don't get to define terms you jackass
>>98193498Aliens and their marines then. Point is, GW doesn't own the term and didn't originate it.
tell me about /yourdudes/
Perrymanlet is actively in the thread.
>>98193498>I read the book cover to cover last weekWhat about the other pages?
>>98193462You're really blind and retarded.
>>98193457Dave Mustaine is into Warhammer?
>>98193522More like Dave Cumstain
>>98193509the community defined the years, you get to ignore that definition and get called out of touch for doing so
>>98193530>"I defined the terms!!" Okay retard, on whose authority?
>>98193530"The community" isn't some unified body, which is why you and I are disagreeing right now.
>>98193554you are disagreeing because you want to disagree and pretend that commonality doesn't shape language and definitions
Stairs and corners are done.
>>98193816Based terrain builder
>>98193816how tall is it?
>>981939141.5 inches
>>98193920The terrain, not you cock mate
>>981939143,5cm to the ritual site floor >>98193920You almost nailed it
>>98193950I just guessed, assuming that was a 28mm figure (roughly an inch) and that platform is obviously 1.5 figures tall. I guess if I noticed the black grid on the cutting mat I would have known it should have been centimeter and could have guessed better, but my brain defaults to imperial
>>98193357That kit's not coming back but I wouldn't be surprised if the WoC refresh comes with Forsaken models
>>98194021I would be surprised, I have zero expectations for “chaos”.
>>98194042It's a unit option in the army list so I would have GW make a kit for it at some point
>>98194046I would expect gw to completely neuter the choice rather.
>>98194046>at some pointProbably like 3-6 months out from the "main" refresh.
>>981935304e-5e is interchangeably called "oldhammer" and middlehammer because NO ONE is still playing with picrel era models unless he's an originalfag dorf/O&G/Empire eldergrog. There is no true "oldhammer" for half the army roster anyway. What would you call the original Dark Elf metals? It's completely fair to call models of that era "oldhammer," especially when presenting them to uninitiated normalfags who don't know anything beyond nu-40gay and AoS, if even that.
>>98193065>>98193052>anon posts pic of actual game of TOWTwo responses. >u r brown>i am taking 'flee' too literally and nit pickingThis is why>post modelsIs so important. Must gatekeep the gatekeepers.
>>98193816That is one sexy beastman. I hope mine turn out something like that. They are next after I finish TK.
>>98194191All the more reason to call things what they actually are when speaking to the uninitiated. What, do you want to teach them wrong on purpose? There are already so few people who actually take the time to learn anything about pre-6th WHFB, both as a game and a model range. Giving up and abandoning the appropriate terminology is only going to make this worse. Call things what they are! 1st-3rd has been established as oldhammer for many years. If it came out after 3rd but before (or during, people still debate this) 6th, it's middlehammer. Don't fuck with definitions, anon! And no, you shouldn't call 4e and 5e dark elf metals oldhammer. They're middlehammer. Who cares if something wasn't around before 4th? That doesn't magically make those models exist beyond the oldhammer-middlehammer-newhammer paradigm.Changing the meanings of words is how you make newfags even newer and faggier. So don't!
>>981942791-5 is Oldhammer 6-7 is middlehammer 8-ToW is nuhammer
>>98194318While I can respect this proposed model, I still reject it on the basis that 1st through 3rd was a special and unique period and ought to be its own category. The shift towards mass market appeal that began with 4th must mark the transition to another period.I would propose a model of 4 hammers. 1st-3rd as oldhammer, 4th-5th as middlehammer, 6th-8th as newhammer (with 6 marking the shift from the brighter aesthetic and tone of middlehammer towards the grimmer, 40kified aesthetic and tone of later editions) and TOW as posthammer.
I don’t play TOW and didn’t play whfb, but I’m curious about how chaos factions worked.There wasn’t a dedicated army per god right? You just played warriors of chaos and picked a certain god-aligned rule and painted your guys red or green or purple or blue right?Aside from end times stuff such putrid blightkings, did they have god-specific sculpts? In tww3, there are slaaneshi chaos warriors with whips and special armor. But I’m guessing none of this existed in whfb?Looking through old lexicanum images here and there I see really really old metal sculpts or specific characters but nothing uniform or produced at a large scale in plastic. Just curious about the game. I’m sad I only started hobbying years after the game died. Also, does anyone here have painted chaos marauders? I got a good deal on them so I’m using them as proxies for Khorne blood reavers and Nurgle pestigors. Here’s a nurglite standard bearer I did. Does anyone have Hound or Crow dedicated marauders painted in Nurgle or khorne schemes?It’s hard making them all look ragged and mismatched while keeping the same theme. I’d like to see your marauders if you got any.
>>98194375>I don’t play TOW and didn’t play whfbI stopped reading >>98194338Okay you're right about 1-3 and I agree about a 4 hammer category. 1-3 retrohammer/boomer hammer4-5 oldhammer 6-7 middlehammer 8-Tow nuhammer/trannyhammer
>>98194375I really hate how boring these sculpts look when you paint them in anything other than leather.
>>98194318I like this.
>>98194258Thinly veiled Perryfag post
>>98194415What?
>>98194338This is pretty much universally agreed by the old frogs that frequent BOYL and the like.
>>98194388>Boomerhammer >TrannyhammerThis is a goybrained classification that lacks any adequacy. You clearly haven't played any edition prior to 7th and you don't get to define the ages either.
>>98194427Boomer, or tranny?
>>98194433both are one in the same.
>>98194436Kek, true
>>98194420BOYL is the best. Shame they're not running it this year. Coolest event of my life, though I've only been twice. Seeing all of those actual GW founders show up, even getting to talk with them, was like seeing bigfoot to me. Kev Adams sculpting for people at a desk, casual as anything. What a treasure.
why did these take me so long to finish. stupid fucking little shitlings
>>98194485Cause you're a retard. Looks good though, very nice golbin green! Meanwhile I churn out half a dozen troops a day, because I know perfect is the enemy of good
WIP of a chaos dragon of Nurgle I'm making for a friends birthday. Almost finished with the body and base, just got to do the main Chaos Lord on top now.Any C+C is appreciated.
>>98194482>Kev Adams sculpting for peopleTruly a priceless privilege. I hope I can beseech the PERRYGODS to sculpt me a Bretonnia character or two one day before they croak, maybe a higher quality Bagrian (picrel) or a unique middlehammer style duke.
>>98194528The Perry Twins grew up and moved exclusively over to historicals
>>98194528You'd have to directly contact them. Kev usually only sculpts faces on shields or the like, quick little things so he can serve a bunch of people.
I caved and brought the warpfire dragon just incase it gets replaced in the following months. Does the plastic sprues with it contain the dark elf characters?
>>98194537Do they even take commissions? How much do you think they'd charge?
>highlands updated some new wood elves Gw is now dead to me
>>98194544I don't really think they're open for commissions, and if they did, it'll probably be around 500£ and restricted to either Napoleonic or 100 years war stuff, non-heroic scale, obviously.
>>98194544No they aren't poor
>>98194523You could break up the greenness by painting some of the circular bumps on the dragon's skin as pustule and by painting thin yellow lines to serve as highlights. Also, and I know this is kind of the point, but his claws are a little too messy and dark. They're still supposed to be razor-sharp claws, right? They need to look the part!Other than that, I think it's a pretty cool dragon. I especially like the bloody saliva dripping down from his maw.
I’m going to fucking cum.
>>98194568I'll join you.
>>98194537>>98194544I'd guess £2,500–£4,000+ to even be worth their time, and you'd have to suck them off and sign off promising it's for private use only, no reproductions, etc. And that's per model, if they'd even agree to do it (they wouldn't).
>>98194388Why do you need to treat these periods as value judgments and why do you insist on changing the terminology for no reason? No, your model is not acceptable. TOW has next to nothing in common with 8th and there's no reason (save for base and ignorant distaste for an edition that, while deeply flawed, is unfairly maligned) to group them together. Stop trying to change the definitions.
>>98194568AoS shit. The owls are cool
>>98194568The fucking sameface on this slopper is present in everything he does.
>>98194568there is only 1 good 3d print army and its the fabelzel chaos dwarfs, everything else is just overdetailed shit like this.
>>98194659if you think this is over-detailed wait until you see the actual minatures gw has. New chaos marauders and cathay will sodomize you.
Hi, I play CathayWe suck>You place high at tournamentsIf you spam the three of about seven to eight units, it's okay. Otherwise, our cavalry suck and our behemoth is incredibly overcosted>I hate you, fuck offYeah I get it, but we need more development. We're currently terrible unless you spam our best
>>98194679Keep gay fag posts like this in 40kg, newfaggot tourist
>>98194679I hope the cat girls make your army good.
>>98194679>we Brotha you just bought a couple toys, that doesn't put you on some special team, you just play toy army men like everyone else, there is no "we", you are just like every other TOWplayer
>>98194684Nigga I hate 40k, I only got into old world because he had fun and it was around the Pre-orders of last year>>98194698Oh okay thanks, you really added
>>98194703Okay AoSissy then, no one cares. Just act like a normal person not some dork redditor thinking their is a console war between armies
>>98194659Monstrous Encounters does pretty good approximations of middlehammer Bretonnia and Oldhammer Orcs
>>98194679Yellow tide peasants seems like it'll be good, but yeah, your elite infantry doods are fucking dogshit and your cavalry are too. If I were a yellerbelly Cathay player I'd spam peasants, lanterns, and whatever those riflemen are called
>>98194747>>98194679
I swear the chipotle bag gets bigger everytime it gets posted
>>98194850So does the gunt
>>98194844Cathay players will never live this down. Fucking fat disgusting WAACgoblins
>>98194747I've tried WOTWAF, no Shugen Lord is a joke. Yes, first strike is nice, but ultimately you get run over at the end of the day because it's just foot infantryAlso there's no reason to ever bring crane gun trans teams compared to lanterns, BS3 vs BS4/5 is terrible. Maybe lanterns get nerfed again she we're even worse at shooting given nobody takes even lanterns anymore but there you go
>>98194859Yeah just wait until Kislev comes out and they have charging bear cavalry with amazing shooting on top of high toughness and armor.
>>98194929Nah. I'd win.
>>98194929I still have time to paint these guys, thank goodness. I'll get to them eventually.
>>98194981Winged hussars was so retarded for Kislev when they could have gone with Don Cossacks or something
>>98195021actually hope for a refresh that leans further into the winged hussar look. I don't care for Russia. But Poland is fucking cool
>>98195026Poland is cool but winged hussars is so cliche and corny. It's giving Sabaton listener vibes
new cathay wave when?
>>98193119If you're not singing "Mon ancêtre Gurdil" with your mates at the local Irish pub what are you doing with your grognard life?
>>98195064Yeah but winged hussars were the symbol of the polish 1st armored divison which fought in the 1st Canadian army and helped close the Falaise pocket. So I think Winged hussars are super fucking cool
Thoughts on making a very primordial looking Skeggi-themed WoC army with my leader being mounted on a carnosaur?I like the idea that a bunch of marauders have sort of "gone native" and now live like hunter gatherersAlso the idea of a khornate t-rex is kinda based
>>98195166I think you should have fun with your toys.
>>98195160I visited Canada a few weeks ago and I saw more Indians in one single day than I have seen in my entire life in the US. It was truly nauseating.
>>98195172Those are your brothers, they need you.
>>98194523Introduce more yellow tones (too much green = rainforest colours, not sickly decay) and give wound related areas a purply tinge
>>98195172>Goes to tourist location like lake louise>"Holy shit look at all these foriegners" - t foriegnerOkay tourist.
>>98195248This posts smells like curry
>>98195268Okay tourist.
>>98192931Always two there are, no more, no less. A groomer and a groomed.
>>98194568That's not really cum worthy, especially when picrel exists.
Why are chaos warriors armor all so uniform? Shouldn’t they be tailored to them specifically?
>>98194659>Highland>overdetailedThis is legitimately a skill issue anon. It's true that a lot of 3d studios do a lot of useless fine over-detailing to stand out, but Highland is one of those few that actually rigorously keep "is this realistically paintable?" as a guiding principle. The result looks a lot like 7th/8th ed style minis and actually works fairly well with GW's range I feel.
>>98195141Alas it's been many years now since I last lived in the Francophonie...
>>98195361Plastic kit.
>>98195166Sounds cool to me.
>>98195166Kino
>>98195381>one of the fewThere are plenty of them. The actual truth is that there's a ton of teams with many different styles, more than enough to be happy regardless of your personal preferences.
>>98195361there's no satisfactory answer, if you want one, then you have to accept that's the look the warriors and the gods want
>>98195361Because plastic miniatures are inferior to metal miniatures in terms of $ to individually produced sculpt(s).
>>98194679Cathay wave 3 should be:>Guardian Lions (Monstrous Cav)>Peasant Horsemen (Skirmish Cav)>Celestial Dragon Guard (Heavy Infantry)>Celestial Dragon Guard Lancers (Heavy Cav)>Yin-Yin
>>98195763>celestial dragon guard>celestial dragon lancersShould just be an upgrade to normal jade warriors and lancers. At absolute most an upgrade sprue like cw great weapons
>>98194258>skycutterFinally a kino game.
>>98194859Do you really think the average Cathay player will buy like 3 lanterns? Have you seen the prices on those things?
>>98194375Don't rely on lexicanum. Look up a website called Stuff of Legends, it has most of the old Citadel catalogues on file.Yes, you were expected to give your units the appropriate mark of Chaos to dedicate them to a single god. Yes, there used to be metal models that were plainly and clearly sculpted to be devoted to one god. There were also many more models that were either ambiguous or purposefully sculpted in such a way that, with the right paint job, they could be dedicated to either any god or none in particular. While there were, in later editions, plastic kits made expressly to be devoted to one god, there were not explicitly marked plastic chaos warriors, marauders, or knights. Such are the constraints of producing physical plastic models in real life: Making a plastic kit that only a portion of a fraction of your customer base will buy simply isn't good business, especially since producing plastic models has a very high up-front cost. If you want chaos warriors with whips and special armour, consider converting.
>>98194485They may have taken a long time but they look fantastic
>>98195793>Should just be an upgrade to normal jade warriors and lancers.they already are (if you have Miao Ying in your army)
>>98195763I disagree completely >guardian lion (monster)>war drum / war compass (chariot)>crossbows sprue for jade warriors >saytang sprue for the sentinel >tiger warrior stalkers (sawai, iron claw and speaker are the command group instead of champion, banner and musician)>zhao ming
>>98195860what would the war drum do on the tabletop?are there any similar units in other factions?
>>98195882>are there any similar units in other factions?The Chaos Warshrine from 8th.
>>98195882>are there any similar units in other factions?war altars used to be a relatively common thing in old rulesets, even if they fell out of fashion, or at least developed into other things (chaos warshrine, slann on palanquin, cauldron of blood, reliquary)
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>>98193816Looks great. I had my doubts from your first pic.
>>98193476It literally is, you infected cockhole; 1st-3rd WHFB, Rogue Trader, plus contemporary sidegames.Thereafter is Middlehammer which runs until the end of 6th WHFB and 4th 40K including associated sidegames. Newhammer runs from then until the big resets with End Times and Gathering Storm, but arguably not including sidegames and suppementary product since the few that remained retained much more of the previous era about them. Finally is the current era of slopshite, Nuhammer.Sometimes some people quibble over exact details, but that's the broad thrust of it. Only retards think "Oldhammer" just means "warhammer that's now older".
>>98195991I would like to have a discussion regarding the inclusion of 6th edition in the middlehammer period. I understand and respect that this has been the traditional stance regarding 6th for many years, but I think it would be more appropriate to include 6th in the newhammer period alongside 7th (as they are very similar editions in terms of rules) and 8th (as 6th, 7th, and 8th are tonally and aesthetically similar.However, I would like to hear, or rather read, your (and anyone else's) reasons for including 6th in the middlehammer period. I also think that these historical periods should not be given pejorative names. Let these categories be objective and timeless forevermore. Also, the question of TOW ought to be addressed. Should it be included in the 1st-8th paradigm, as if it were a 9th edition, or should it be treated as a separate game? Discuss.
>>98195913>>98195908Yeah I also noticed that when listing through 3rd, does anyone actually know any background on why these were a thing? It seems like such a random addition to the roster, was it just a way to create an army centrepiece model before hero & special character rules became a serious thing? I thought for some time that it was based on those medieval italian blessed carriages they pushed into battle and that the Perrys made a model version of that for Citadel that got repurposed, but I can't find any trace of that being the case.
>>98196005some people insist that 6th is "middlehammer" because they're insecure about which version of an out of print game they play. I'm not sure why but there's a rather loud an unsufferable minority online that elevates 6th edition beyond what it was (namely, a fantastic version of the game that for many people represented a great time in the their life). In their view, 6th edition, has to be set apart from all the other versions. 7th? Fuck that that's the beginning of the end4th? 5th? Kids stuff8th? That's what killed the game.6th is the only "true" edition. ignoring that, like you point out, 6yh, 7th, and 8th are VERY similar in tone and style. And the rule differences are certainly there but aren't THAT big.
Anyone see the updated draft for Lizardmen renegades? Or is that shit despised here?
>>98196236I Saw the video, looks like armor save buffs for most units plus an extra attack on a 6 to wound for saurus. Also made the salamander usable
>>98196236>Or is that shit despised here?Nah, giving community sourced rules to armies GW doesn't sell and discourages you from playing is based as fuck. That being said I like the lizardmen drafts, though the only thing that might need to change is tenple guard going up a maybe one or two more points because shifting them back to full plate armor is a big deal. Some boomers complained they look like pretty strong rules in my disc, but they're pretty much a melee only faction & cannons will still run them over like they run over everything so who cares? The mage priest buffs are strong also sure, but that's paying close to 500 points for a non-dragon character that has 0 killing potential outside of spells.
>>98196236I don't know anything about Lizardmen but the Renegades pack fixed every problem I had with Chorfs so it's good in my book
>>98196258>>98196268I have some old Lizardmen kits and some newer ones I haven’t put together yet. This really pushes me to work on them. Thinking about trying my hand at sculpting and upsizing the stegadon a tad. The army looks like it was given just enough love to make them feel decent on the tabletop. The draft might need some tweaks but as long as your army feels like an army and looks it, we eating good. Any tips on green stuff sculpting? I saw a really cool stegadon conversion online. Do I hear you’re supposed to combine it with milliput?
>>98196305>Any tips on green stuff sculpting?Yeah here's a tip- don't. It's such a pain in the ass and you'll only ever get middling results unless you REALLY dedicate to learning it>t. spent 4 hours making a pipe & scar for a shitty naturo meme reference
>>98196336Honestly man, that looks sick and reinforces that I need to try.
>>98196336Weird thought I cropped it- anyway here's a pic of him on his shitty wip chair
>>98196344Looks good man, be proud of your hard work.
>>98196344I never associated the two. I now want a lizardmen cathay army with naruto toads, slugs and snakes.
>>98196376He was going to be more of a gamabunta color with a red more mixed in with bugman's glow, but it looked a little too much like a dude than a frog because of the scultp, so I defaulted to Maz's color scheme which I know how to do
>>98188196Man, this reminds me of this...
Cannon or catapult for dwarfs? Is the indirect fire from the catapult worth surpassing the rule of cool from the cannon?
>>98188323This guy's design would be mocked relentlessly as dogshit nu AoSlop if it were released today.
>>98196485The knight does look bad
>>98191041Which Final Fantasy is this from?
>>98196485He was already released and everyone loves his model!
>>98196485True
>>98192945>these don't even look close to the model though.No shit, if you could cool your autism for a second (admittedly a big if) you may notice that they're not saying it's base don that specific piece of artwork, but based on Miller's style. And if you're too autistic to see what that difference matters then, eh, the the sonic fandom? They may be more on your level.
>>98191861I just read a short story that said Brettonian nobles wear white face make up and powdered wigs. And another claimed that the lady of the lake has brown hair and green eyes. I doubt all that shit is cannon, seems like the writers were playing fast and loose with the lore.
>>98191181This is my favourite of all Miller's pieces. I wonder just who or what this big knightly fella is. He's clearly towering over those space marines at the bottom of the frame, is he some sort of daemon prince? Either way, it's a cracking image.
>>98196501He looks like he was designed by the same person that did the imperial nobles bloodbowl team Same bloodbowl cartoony look
wait are you dead ass telling me the empire/cathay/brets/kislev never had rules that let them ally with chaos? Is this not the same company that made something as insane as lost and the damned at some point? Why arent they leaving so much free money there? You dont even need new kits for that, simply an incentive to kitbash with an arcane journal is all you would need to get people to buy OLD kits.
>>98196501WoW piece of shit
>>98196542You don't understand, if they encourage kitbashing and other creative hobbying, that might lead people to buying third party instead of the 1:1 model for the rule as god intended.
>>98196524I dont know if they were in the lore back then. But it makes me think "thunder warrior" with the storm/lightning imagery he has going on. Maybe its a primarch, but those werent really a thing back then either. >>98196542Cathay, a faction invented yesterday, did not have rules for allying with chaos "ever". No. >lost and the damnedHave never had a historical equivalent in warhammer. 40k is (or was, aesthetically its becoming less so) very "imperium centric", chaos was "chaos imperials". In Fantasy you dont have that, chaos is its own thing that has no aesthetic links to the empire or bretonnia or kislev or cathay (the latter two being non-faction entitites). There are no hordes of fallen empire soldiers, its not a common narrative element and therefore has never been a thing given rules.
>>98195172Yeah, thats Canada
>>98195361Partly because plastic kits make it harder to do individualised troops, but it can definitely be done. The biggest reason in my opinion is GWs own design team and their vision of chaos. The OG team visualised chaos units as individuals, mutated, grotesque and loud. The rules, fluff and art reflected that. Then GWs design team got changed and the faction changed into faceless, uniform legions of black plated warriors, likely to try and make it more grimderp and closer to chaos space marines. Nowadays we're seeing yet another shift with Chaos heading towards a distinctly more Norse aesthetic.
>>98196542Chaos in fantasy is not just "faction X but with spikes" like it is in 40k.
>>98196659>braptonwhat the helly!!
>>98196164Well, all of those are deeply devout (in their own way) factions, so it makes sense that they get a unit that doubles as object of worship. Remember that these earlier editions were all about scenario play, so these sort of units could also provide for interesting narrative hooks:>The followers of the dark gods have prepared a ritual to summon a greater Daemon and lay waste to the nearby hamlet. With their ritual circle ready, only their profane altar is needed to complete the invocation. Unless the war altar is destroyed before reaching the circle, the hamlet will be destroyed.>A Bretonnian lord performs his yearly pilgrimage to the Larme d'Or monastery, accompanied by the reliquary of Sir Choublanc. As they advance through the quiet countryside, a group of brigands ambushes the pilgrims. The relic must be defended at all costs, lest the honour of the lord be tainted.
>>98196515>brown hair and green eyesI've always interpreted it as the Lady changing her appearance to be as angelically beautiful to the individual Grail Knight as possible, it's the Grail that stays the same in appearance so the Grail Knights know who's supped from the real Grail and who's been deceived by Chaos or illusion magic. In the case of the False Grail, for example, every Grail Knight present immediately knew Maldred was deceiving everyone, probably because the False Grail looked nothing like the real one.
>>98196524Likely a chaos warrior, those existed in 40k and fantasy back then.
>>98195248Jeet cope
>>98196804>reliquary of Sir ChoublancHow dare you sir, no Bretonnian lord, no matter how stupid, would ever stoop so low as to worship that fascist pig.
>>98195763>peasant horseman This simply makes no sense. There has been no point in history except maybe the American West when the poor peasant class was to afford to keep, train, and ride horses, ESPECIALLY in China. Horses have always been used by the upper patrician and warrior classes, and peasants didn't even know how to ride them. Peasant horseman simply makes no sense. Peasants obviously being levied troops, otherwise they wouldn't be peasants they'd be professionals. Since the peasants wouldn't have their own horses, the army would have to supply them, and why would they supply expensive horses that require extensive training to use to the peasants? Fantasy China has to adhere to logical conventions as well or else the whole setting is shit
>>98195991>"it literally is">proceeds to get the commonly accepted definition completely wrong
>>98196903It’s fantasy nigga, if you want realism go to 40K.
>>98196005>Should it be included in the 1st-8th paradigm, as if it were a 9th edition, or should it be treated as a separate game? DiscussShould the Xbox 360 be considered in the Xbox generations despite it being called the 360 instead of Xbox 2? Obviously, you dipshit. TOW is the 9th edition despite the fact GW wanted to give it a stupid name for marketing reasons.
>>98196927
>>98196956Invalid argument. Try harder.
>>98196972>argument feminine activities
>>98196903I mean, just rename them to "light horsemen" in your mind's eye and that fixes it
>>98196993Lighthorsemen have NEVER come from the peasantry
>>98196884What is this a Comic page for Ants?
>>98196903Make them ride domestic pigs instead but still call them horsemen
>>98197011Now you're just making Age of Sigmar
>>98197007That's not what I meant. I meant pretend they're not peasants and call them light horsemen instead.
>>98197013If this was AoS it would be "Pigfolk Snoutriders"
>>98197063Pygfolk Snoutriders™
>>98196884A man of culture, I see
>>98196987>He thinks rhetoric is anything but masculine.Can you even call yourself a man?
>>98196903Work horses were pretty common in Europe in the middle ages. Horses in general weren't reserved for nobility at all. Not even fighting on horses was reserved to nobility (even though there is a string correlation between the two).
>>98196903>There has been no point in history except maybe the American West when the poor peasant class was to afford to keep, train, and ride horses, ESPECIALLY in China.relevance? cathay is not historical china
>>98197176>>98196903Nah he's pretty much right, outside of "warrior peoples" like Turcopoles, Bulgars, Cumans, Kipchaks, etc. commoner cavalry was pretty rare in medieval Europe, though it wasn't non-existent. Most famously in Iberia during the Reconquista, Christian forces often fielded large forces of "jinete" light horse, as a counter and mirror to the Muslim Berber genitours. They fought pretty much identically, lightly armoured with javelins and other throwing weapons. So it wasn't unheard of.
>>98196501best current empire miniature. lets hope future empire releases are of similar quality
>>98197210Nope, it's fantasy china. Which must be grounded in logical conventions or else it loses the ground it's build on. Again, if you don't care about this or understand it you should probably go back to AoS with all the other Millennial slop enjoyers >>98197212Yes but the jinete were not peasants, a large number of them came from the military orders and other came from the yeomanry.
>>98197249>Which must be grounded in logical conventions or else it loses the ground it's build on.I think they passed that point a while ago. It's shitty paint by numbers chink fantasy. I'm surprised they don't have a unit of dudes flying on swords or a monkey king legendary character yet.
>>98197249>yeomanryWhat's the difference between this and peasantry?
>>98197008Sorry, the only good quality scan of it I have is in French. Though tbf unless you're into existential philosophy, Rimbaud or French political in-jokes, you're not missing much with Nikopol, its plot is mainly here to let the author draw some insane cyberpunkesque shit.>>98197104I sometimes daydream about what a "French GW" that grew out of Moebius, Druillet and Enki Bilal artstyle would have looked like in contrast to the Ian Miller and John Blanche one we got. All of these artists were from or influenced by Métal Hurlant/Heavy Metal after all, they've got a lot of shared DNA.
>>98197376Yeoman were typically middle class land owners
To bring it back on topic, I'm decently sure this Driullet illustration for Heavy Metal at least partially inspired our own Slambo.
>>98197217Haha I get it
>>98197477That model design looks like something ripped straight out of League of Legends
>>98197436Middle class fits >commoner cavalryThough, right?
>>98197432>Moebius, Druillet and Enki BilalA lot more blue and loud colours for sure. Things would be less grimdark and more psychedelic/surreal
i post my pathetically miniscule progress and farm yous with my dudes too much butcan i play a game yet or
>>98197660>can i play a game yet orNot until we go on a date my princess.
>>98197636Middle class was not commoner at all, middle class has historically always been a very small class of society until very recently
>>98197432I guess GW is very influenced by 2000AD and its artists like Bolland, Ezquerra, and O'Neill, ect.
>>98197660Very nice looking. Great oldschool palette, and it's nice to see something other than beastmen posted. Here is my progress on my state troops, I've been consistently knocking out 5-6 troops a day
>>98197660Absolutely gorgous work. I especially love the classic night gobbo unit boss ye got there. Also good colourful squiggies.
>>98197763I tried getting into napoleonics but it's just so tedious to paint, it takes me so much longer than normal to paint one guy because of all the tiny buttons and straps
>>98197660I have also started my first night gobbo + squig army recently and your dudes are mogging mine for sure. But here's the first squig I painted just today. Still needs a few finishing touches on the teeth and such, but the colour ended up pretty pleasant.
>>98197660MOOOOOOOOOORE TROOOOOOOLLS
>>98197763Unironically how do you paint that many guys in a day?
>>98196874telling people to cope, is itself an act of coping.
>>98196005Simple, I was there and I played them all. I started with 4th, played extensively in 5th and 6th, played Mordheim a lot, and there was a concerted shift with 7th that carried through into 8th. Fuckwits like >>98196192 - no doubt either a seething Herohammertard or a rancid 8thie - will insist otherwise, but it's simply factual truth that 6th is Middlehammer because the eras are defined by the *company* and how they are reflected in the product.Oldhammer is characterised by the settings being in flux, continually added to and expanded and tweaked via WD articles and supplements. It's the period in which the original creators of the game are pretty much the only ones working on it. It happens to have a relatively consistent aesthetic that was again a result of the comparatively small number of people doing the sculpting work and art at the time.Middlehammer is the period in which GW "professionalises" as a result of among other things the management buyout. The studio expands and the people who originated the IPs are now managing whole departments with a second generation of Warhammer creatives under them. The settings are codified and "tidied up" based on their most recent Oldhammer. While the period doesn't have the same level of frenetic creativity as Oldhammer, overall it's characterised by a decent balance between GW as a profit seeking company and GW as shepard of The Hobby. Changes to the IPs whether aesthetics, fluff, or gameplay are no more or less stark than they were during Oldhammer, but it's rare you'll find anyone retarded enough to suggest that early RT vs late or WHFB2 vs 3 should be in completely different categories. 1/
>>98198496(cont)...The reason for the split to Newhammer at 7th/5th isn't some arbitrary "I don't like it so it's not in the Coolhammer pile" judgement, it reflects the shift in GW itself at the time. This is the period of Kirby's descent into lunacy, the ever-increasing drive for MORE sales, MORE profit, MORE MORE MORE which manifests in the steady Flanderizing and normification of the games, the increasing focus on making you buy bigger armies and profitably expensive special character models, the company's increasing paranoia about IP and clamping down on community creativity, the windup and death of Specialist Games/Fanatic, and the increasing use of shitty Deviantart-tier artwork because it was cheap. It's not that the changes between 6th and 7th were radical and drastic, it's that the changes that were made are indicative of a different attitude and context in the company and community. Newhammer is the era where all the Old Guard, the guys who actually *made* Warhammer have either left GW or been promoted into irrelevance, and even most of their proteges who helped them construct and expand the Middlehammer era are driven out or walk away. The Studio is in the hands of the first generation of creatives who's primary reference isn't history, mythology, and various older sci-fi & fantasy IPs but rather previous versions of Warhammer itself, and they begin making decisions based on "fixing" things they see as flawed. The toxic brew of that plus Kirby's mounting idiocy in response to his miscalculation in the LotR bubble are what define the era.Nuhammer is functionally a different IP really. Deliberate massive breaks in the fiction and the games design, combined with big shakeups in the corporate top levels and reorganisation & siloing of the design studio taken together leave us in a situation that's more like Disney buying out Lucasfilm and controlling Star Wars than it is the evolution of the previous eras into the next.2/-fin
>>98198496>>98198500There really needs to be a separate category for GW post 8th ed. 40k/AoS launch. That is really went things became unrecognizable to long time players and fans, and where the majority of the old guard players and fans left the hobby, and were replaced by newfags, who were further boosted during COVID hoax era
>>98198519Nunuhammer?
>>98198567>30 years later>TOW 10th edition>have to sing the fucking Batman theme to talk about current era of warhams
Oldhammer is when entire ranges were metal, middlehammer is when characters and certain units were metal, but core was plastic, and nuhammer is when every unit is plastic. Trying to demarcate this by specific artists is arbitrary and retarded.
>>98198726GW was selling Metal heroes just a few years ago you jackass
>>98198746>erm, what about MTOs and one-off exceptions to the ruleWho cares fag
>>98197763Best looking minis ITT desu
New >>98199007>>98199007
>>98198567Corpohammer?
