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Gotta wait until next week for the damn MFM
I like orks :D
>>98191899They don’t want to get torched like what happened with Deathwatch but they’re gonna be a perpetual Index which isn’t great either. They do have a really good Spearhead that’s usable for 40k though, you just have to pretend the leaders are two Tranceweavers and a Masque.
I have those dreams where you're picking up rare old miniatures for pennies and then you wake up and you haven't.Except the one day that actually did happen to me.
>>98192286Nice. I don’t recognize many of those models so I’ve gotta ask, what are you using them as?
>>98192257>thread question:>do ever you have 40K related dreams or worse, /40kg/ related dreams?I don;t remember most of my dreams Mostly that that I had them. But sometimes I have a dream where it's me Scrolling some 4chan thread and one time I think it was /40kg/ and it was that I made some post before sleep and in my dream people were ganging up on me and then I woke Up and checked that sme thread and I had no (you)s
>>98192232I can see that happening, GW probably doesn't want to strip down Lions of the Emperor and Solar Spearhead with their diet versions, at least until a codex release or some shit. Guess we'll get a better picture of what they plan to do by then.>>98192242With 2 of the 3 Dreadnoughts free of resin, definitely expect to see them around more often. I'm still surprised the Telemon has its own stratagem.Meanwhile Auric Champions is still a laughing stock. Null Maiden Vigil at least seems a little more practical along with Silent Hunters, which doesn't have a cockblock keyword, but probably really depends if objectives rely on actions a lot more, and if being hidden actually means much.
Why did GW pretend that Agents would be a real army?
>>98192260FUCK
>>98192286>chaos snakeman>LE15 the warlock>prototype Fimirnice
>TQ I dream im a bezerker often>>98192194With a lot of armies this feels as if its a re-org used to increase quitting to avoid severance layoffs
>>98192301so they could sell a codex duh
>>98192286probably the most pathetic dream I ever had was when I entered a flea market with everything you can ever think of, I went to a section where people sold model kits, and the entire time I was going to table after table seeing scale cars and trains, and muttering bitterly about how I couldn’t find any warhammer kits. in a dream where literally anything can happen, but being able to pick up a warhammer kit at a flea market is just too much.
>>98192301To bait you into wasting money on member-berries. Could be worse. You could be playing HH
>>98192257I think I had a dream once I was playing a tabletop game and some loud asshole couple were having sex on the same table. I got pissed and threw some game pieces at them.
>>98192301imagine if everything had been the same, but agents detachments costed 1DP
>>98192301It's inexplicable. They didn't have to do it.
>>98192257>do ever you have 40K related dreams or worse,Yes I'm gonna play my first games next month and my dreams keep telling me to plau Tau
>>98192301>promo images had Tempestus Scions posing with Inquisitors, like Stormtroopers or some shit>they're not even part of the army list
I haven't read much until nowThese detachments lock in your playstyle to score? They're railroading playstyle to score?
>>98192312For me this system feels like it carries too much baggage from 10th into 11th. I got almost no detachments in 10th so I have very limited choices now, in comparison to Space Marines with their 60+ options. One of my detachments is 3DP for being overpowered at tournaments for 1 month 2 years ago, despite having been nerfed over that for the last 2 years.I can work with what I got, but I don't understand why if a new edition was truly warranted (lol) we're carrying so much of the old edition into it.
>>98192286Do you also get the dream where you're in a bookstore and find a cool out of print rpg or boardgame shoved away on a bottom shelf?And instead of being like a modern chain bookstore its like an old used bookstore that smells faintly of cat pee and all the bookshelves are thirty feet high?
>>98192331Yes and the playstyles are not remotely equal. This makes things "more narrative" and "better balanced".
>>98192286I saw somebody post their painted up metal kharn recently and I want one so badI used to have the finecast one but he broke long before I sold off my old CSM
>>98192257I love the howling griffons so much
>>98192332I play world eaters and my best strategy is 30 terminators since blood surge is dead. Or, 6x10 bezerkers to run onto the center obj and die. It feels like a forced scenario mission onto armies who would never take itAuspex scan reconnaissance with world eaters? With 0 special utility to even do it?
>>98192341That was me
I'm surprised Salamanders are so high. I know, Reddit chungus hugbox marines so there might be some source bias but still. I've never met a Salamanders player.
>>98192357post it again
>>98192351>30 terminatorsGet ready to pay a points premium on those
>>98192285What did best chink do to deserve getting posted here?
>>98192376People were talking about bolt shotguns last thread
>>98192359And this "popularity" was derived from the size of subreddits?
Looks like ad mech gets fucked again, guess that'll be another edition where I paint and collect.
Most podles.
>>98192328Whatever happened to stormtroopers? Scion space knights are cool and all but they had a distinct look, and I thought they were neat
>>98192379Which person in this image is "the rapist"
>>98192373Idk about WE but if they are as bad as in regular marines they can't give them a tax.
>>98192379no, amount of armies posted
>>98192363I tried to there but I'm retarded sorry
>>98192359Its because of the Pariah Nexus show. Everytime space marines show up on the screen they get more popularJust the Astartes 2 Trailer was enough for people starting to paint their Marines as Scyth of the Emperor
>>98192301>>98192328>inquisitorial reteniue having no interesting customisation options>No xeno options for inquisitorial reteniue >Ordo exclusive rules were boring >making your own Inquisitor was boring>whole stuff feeling like a dumping ground for models that did not sell>whole aspect of underground forc dealing with dangers being quite incompatable with wargamey aspect of 40KIt was doomed from the start
>>98192380What are you talking about bro they look amazing. Lords of the Forge is insane. You can make the most obscene unit combinations with their new support/leader splits. They legitimately look incredible and they have the strongest 1 DP addon of any action that basically singlehandedly enables a bunch of the 2 DP ones. Can you fucking read.
>>98192373this is such an overdue changenobody actually enjoys playing into "spam max number of good unit" armiesnever painted well, no thematic cohesion. good riddance.
>>98192386She is the mental rapist. He is the physical rapist. The spiritual rapist is not pictured.
>>98192373>Retributors? 20 point tax per unit>Victrix Guard? zero tax
>>98192383whoops, ultrabig one by accident.
>>98192396The PDF is missing the errata. That means back to codex with balance changes missing.
>>98192397Theyre still going to do it just with one less cultist unit
It feels like in attempting to fix 10th they expose the fundamental limitations of their simplified system and just made the game worse in every way. Why did it turn out like this?
>>98192406spam lists (aside from the recon guard spam) were usually pretty tight on action monkeys so this would actually be impactful enough to disincentivize them in many cases
>>98192320Fleet 2DPeverything else 1 DPand its at least as functional as before and no reason to be upsetAnd for deathwatch make Black Spear Task Force 2DP or nerf it and make it 1DPI could do this in a day for free.
>>98192359Teh blud rehvens, Crimson Fists, and Marines Malevolent are gigabased. Everything else is fucking GAY and plebbit.
>>98192257>TQI have had several dreams where I'm free to pick as many bits as I want from somewhere, it's usually quite stressful as I keep on losing bits after I've picked them up.
>>98192344fuck you crud
>>98192421>as I keep on losing bits after I've picked them up.this would infuriate me
>>98192331dispositions are only locked in tournament play. in casual play you can pick what ever disposition you want.it's supposed ot make the game more "narrative" by making every game you play different and even if you play the same faction there's 5 different ways to play against them.unfortunately it looks like some dispositions are just much easier. so unless the scoring from dispositions are wildly imbalanced, you're going to see even more meta lists than in 10th edition.
>>98192285This is how I catachan grenade launcher
>>98192404Noice fellas, what's the terrain?
>>98192332>I got almost no detachments in 10th so I have very limited choices nowit's awful for Tau, you actually have less options at the start of 11th edition than you do at the end of 10th edition because certain 1pt DPs can't be taken with 2pt DPs. and half of the combos make no sense due to Tau and Auxilia having no rule overlap.but hey, don't worry. you can keep playing triple riptide montka, like you did for the last decade.
>>98192448A 3d printer from Etsy, can't remember exactly which.
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>>98192359>>98192420>marines malevolent rose into the top 20 2026 soon they’ll be number one, it’s only a matter of time…
>>98192301it didn't, they are obliged by how they format their codex to make it so the codex alone is theoretically self-sufficient, but agents are very much intended from name to rules to be attachments for other armies.it's just that gw sucks at rules writing so the codex is shit regardless of the way you want to use it.
>>98192463quick we should force lore of them using the nigger word. that will slow reddit down
>>98192457Now that's an ugly son of a bitch>3d print from EtsyCheers, I'll try to find it, do you have good pics of it? So I can at least copy it in the event I can't find the OG
>>98192485digging through the historical records, it was probably from a seller 'CarHoleMakers', but the shop no longer seems to exist.It's the stuff in the bottom right of the frame in this photo.
>>98192359>>98192463Red scorpions that low?
>>98192515I think I found it
>>98192384Probably just outright forgotten were it not for Kill Team allowing you to take 5 Scions or Kasrkin into an Inquisitorial Agents team, among others.
>>98192409The entire design team are devs hiring their friends and they clearly lack passion for armies they don't play and don't care/are actually retarded.OrThey are purposely nerfing armies into dust to force them to switch to another army and promote pay 2 win models
>>98192412Anyone running those lists will not care and will table you
>>98192409>>98192528This. GW can't keep the actual talent in and so we're left with the nepo-rats.
I'm glad wargear cost is coming back but fuck they need to bring ppm back too.
>>98192528is Cruddace still working there? He was a huge problem in 5e.
>>98192543Not every model/unit will be getting wargear costs, so many units will still be priced as if they have the best equipment possible.
>>98192543>wargear cost is backSome options will cost points (if they are too OP)
>>98192537They pay them 20k a year (not a joke, look it up) so you get the equivalent of a McDonald's cashier with a revenge of the nerd type vendetta against factions that remind them of their wife's boyfriend or their step dad
>>98192544He was the design lead on 10th bro.
>>98192523that's the one. The templates for them are all over the place so tons of sellers make it.
>>98192516I hope there's at least one helmet with no vents on the mask piece. At least it seems current HH3 book renders depict some MkIV like that.
>>98192550Wasn't there a guy who lost a leman russ to tyranids in 4th/5th and decided "That will never happen again" when he wrote the next nid codex?
>>98192544We has one of the lead designers of 10th edition according to the developer interviews and quotes in the lead up to its release. They've been more tight-lipped about who has what role with 11th though.
>>98192549That's just how it worked in 9th.
>>98192544After 5th and 6th with Matt ward shitting the place up they stopped putting names on codexes because theyd be targeted for harassment (see: valid criticism). Also, theyre british so the ability to not be a total jew cuck is entirely out of their ability to self reflect or play fair.
>>98192550If I'm working at GW it's not about the money (tho I better not be living paycheck to paycheck), it's because I'm passionate about warhammer.But again since I love warhammer I'd probably hate working there. I'd tell people how we can make things 10x better if we just change this tiny thing and they'd hate me because they just want to do as little as possible.
>>98192554If the templates are out there I'll try to snatch them for myself then. Cheers for the cool pics & confirming the terrain, bless ya>>98192561You say that like it's a good thing. Anything past 5th is piss.
>>98192547That's not what they said this week. They said not every option will get a cost, but that's just how it used to work.
>>98192568>You say that like it's a good thing. Anything past 5th is piss.The points system worked the exact same, mate. My point is that this power levels retardation is exclusively from 10th and its marketing.
>>98192568Np, chief. Post pics when you get them
>Some guns will cost extra points to balance them>Some units will cost extra points for duplicates to balance them>Some detachments will have keywords to balance them>Some detachments will become 3DP for balance>Some detachments will have different dispositions to balance themAll this in addition to the usual points nerfs and rules rewrites.Why do I feel like GW is going to way overcorrect shit every time now because they don't fully understand all the levers they have to pull now?
>>98192565>Joshua Roberts claims he fights them on inbalance>his armies and his brothers armies are always good
>>98192565>(tho I better not be living paycheck to paycheck)Problem is, they are. Nottingham is expensive and those salaries aren't enough to live there. Tons of people stay for a couple of years and then go back home.
>>98192578>game was insanely complicated and random in 3rd-6th>was more balanced>reduce the game by 90% millenial white paint on brick style>can't manage it
>>98192574And my point is 9th is VOMIT, 10th is SHIET, 11th is VOMIT SHIET.
>>98192591>game was insanely complicated and random in 3rd-6thIt wasn't. It was way, way simpler than what we have today and you didn't have to keep track of half as many things in any given moment.>can't manage itCan't manage complete and utter lack of care making nothing consistent.
>>981925999th can be as shit as you want but its points system is still identical to what 40k had since 3rd.
>>98192591The game didn't get wildly complicated until 6+. 5e and below you only had a few bespoke rules, almost everything was a USR in the main rulebook so if you opponent said "yeah my dudes do this" you always knew what it meant because they were general rules and a few of your own guys probably shared it. Easy to follow.
>>98192565>If I'm working at GW it's not about the money (tho I better not be living paycheck to paycheck), it's because I'm passionate about warhammer.that’s exactly why its so low paying, its called a “passion tax” also yeah, you’d 100% quit after having to deal with the Ward’s/Cruddace’s, and the suits steering the ship.
>>98192603I ain't arguing the opposite, we started off on the 11th ed pseudo-point cost band-aid solution
>>98192582>>98192603>>98192608Surely working as store staff would be easier, right? Just work there for a time, use my discount and then fuck off?
>>98192615Yeah and the 11th "pseudo ppint cost band aid solution" works the exact same way as it used to. Equivalent wargear is free to switch. Upgrades are costed. Replacing your bolter with a pistol and chainsword is free. Replacing it for a plasmagun costs points.
>>98192571To this day this layout for datasheets is still the best.
Hi we saw you from across the forge and we really dig your oscillations.
>>98192620>works the exact same way as it used to.First off we haven't seen yet how GW is implementing it.Second, I don't think it's gonna work the same at all.Yes there were a few "switch basic gun for basic melee", but then it was followed by>+x for plasmagun>+y for flamer>+z for melta>etc.What's GW likely to do is that all of these are still free like in 10th, except the lascannon and plasmagun because they are way more powerful. Same way they're making duplicate units more expensive in particular cases.It could be limited to vehicle options for all we know.
>>98192626What nice fellowsI forgot about mr malstrain, wonder if he'd do a good generic heretek. He plastic?I really like the round tech of the void-techpriest guy
>>98192618as in retail sales? hell no, it’s underpaying and you have to constantly pressure people who walk in to buy kits or else you’ll get fired, and you have to deal with dickheads who complain to you about their hobbying woes, or get angry when something isn’t in stock. you might as well work a regular sales job, then at least when you pressure people into buying shit you earn an actual commission on each sale.
>>98192571I think the richard siegler interview mentions that only /some/ units will have wargear costs so that their 'best options' cost more.
>>98192600>>98192605You're right, but I meant compared to 10ths simplicity, rather. Not that it was complex. But its way deeper than 10th/11th
>>98192631no, he resin.I wish he were plastic, he'd have a change of being integrated into gsc
>>98192627Anon look at this from the 5th edition codex: >>98192571The flamer, heavy bolter, multimelta and missile are free. Everything else are costed upgrades. That's already how it worked.
>>98192591>game was insanely complicated and random in 3rd-6thYou do know shit like picture related was usually play by kids around 10 years old.Its not complicated at all.
>>981926445th is consider the edition that 40k went to shit. As it started adding random retarded shit.
>>9819263710th isn't simple and that's what people need to understand. GW and its marketing make people think simplicity means you have everything easily referenced on a card so they make the core rules super anemic so most of the interactions come from the datasheets themselves. This is a nightmare because there's zero consistency and you have to keep in mind rules form 20 different sources, forcing you to constantly look at your cards. Older editions had more robust core rules (robust, not complex, they were very easy to understand) and the units themselves just provided wargear, stats and a handful of special rules. You had to keep track of very little during the game which made things simple to remember.
>>98192646It’s not complicated but it sure isn’t easy to keep track of unless you only played imperium slop.
>>98192393>Just the Astartes 2 Trailer was enough for people starting to paint their Marines as Scyth of the EmperorIt's a damn fine cape flowing in the wind shot.
>>98192655You don't need to keep track of 99% of that. You select a few during list building and track those.
>>98192636Things like defilers, in leaks as an example, defilers will be 270 then each lascannon is +10 for a max of 290.
>>98192655>It’s not complicated but it sure isn’t easy to keep track of unless you only played imperium slop>the example is from the Chaos marine codexAnon be carful you might have to track too many things!
Trazyn's portrait from new Rogue Trader DLC + release trailerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVF5yVO6Mxg
>>98192653>to play the game you need:>core rulebook>codex>errata>rules commentary>tournament companion>tournament companion commentary>quarterly balance dataslate>quarterly points dataslateso simple
>>98192646My first codex. I want to go back
how long until the marine codex comes out? I'm not coming back for slightly different core rules and some tweaked detachments if in 6 months it's all invalidated.
>>98192663Also the smug object of Trazyn's interest
>>98192662Wait they did the whole two different profiles for a unit having different weapon options even back then?
>>98192652Mate this is how it always worked, it just depended on the unit. Core loadout free, equivalent options free, upgrades costed is how poinst have worked since 3rd.
>>98192655>>98192662I'd say xenos stuff is even simpler than imperial stuff since it has less options. Dark Eldar armory is more sad. At least the ork one is an entire page.
>>98192668In 10th the codex released in october 7th.
>>98192637I dunno, I casually played in a bunch of tournaments from 5e to 8e and I think it was about as "deep" as it is now. There was optimized listbuilding but it was most netlisting. On the tabletop it was mostly target priority. Nothing was deep, you just had more customization, which mostly amounted to using magnets and adjusting to your local meta (bring plasma if most of your friends play power armor, bring melta if there's lots of treadheads etc). Most of the customization was for insurance/coverage not performance. Is a hidden powerfist in a tactical squad worth 25 points? Dunno. I preferred just take a melta bomb to cover vehicles/walkers and don't get in melee with monsters. Is that decision deep? No.
>>98192663When is James giving him a new mini though
>>98192676You're also comparing the 3.5 (compatible with 4th and not replaced until 5th) CSM codex with the earlier 3rd edition orks and DE codices.
>>98192653Convoluted vs complex.10th is convoluted. You need 20 things, fans, mfm, codex, rulebook... Older editions were complex in list building and more rules to remember In any case, this is a linguistic difference in interpretation of a word and not arguing the difference between them other than 10th/11th sucks cock and lacks depth. Some armies have 5 unique units.
>>98192664And the app tm
>>98192681>Nothing was deepI will say that facings and morale made gameplay far deeper than it is now simply because there's way more to consider when you're options aren't limited to one-shotting trades. Options during list building make list building fun to tinker around which doesn't happen in 10th.
>>98192673>Mate this is how it always worked, it just depended on the unit.Are you pretending that Sarges exchanging the boltgun for pistol and ccw is the same as free gear for the squad?
>>98192686List building sure. There shure was hell wasn't more rules to remember. Mostly because USRs and statlines covered almost everything.
>>98192684chaosfags will never let the 3.5 codex goshit was fucked
>>98192544He is now at Warcradle studios (Weyland Games publishing arm)
>>98192699it was perfection
>>98192646There are more marine unit entries in the codex now that there are options there.
>>98192579fuck that faggot meathead
>>98192672It was mostly done to prevent self own.You could not charge if you shot rapid fire weapons.So mixing shotas and slugas in the ork boy squad was stupid.But this editions also had things like this. Where you could mix and match assault and rapid fire.
>>98192695Since you lack reading comprehension:>Core loadout free, equivalent options free, upgrades costed This is how it has always worked.>free gear for the squad?Has always depended on the unit. From the top of my head Leman russes had free heavy bolters for the hull with paid sponsons and a paid option to replace the bolter for a lascannon. Retributors (since it's one of the units they mention) had free heavy bolters and could upgrade them to multimeltas and heavy flamers. What's equivalent and what's base loadout has changed from edition to edition but the format above is still how points worked until 8th made everything cost points, 9th reverted it and 10th removed points entirely.
>>98192672For the most part there were not really restrictions on how many models could swap their loadouts so mixed loadouts were always allowed. In cases where they just didn't want you to mix them they split the unit.
>>98192663Trazyn refresh this edition for sure
>>98192257>OP picWe need to go back to Space Marines painting their armour in different schemes for different planets/campaigns.
>>98192725>Has always depended on the unit. From the top of my head Leman russes had free heavy bolters for the hull with paid sponsons and a paid option to replace the bolter for a lascannon. Retributors (since it's one of the units they mention) had free heavy bolters and could upgrade them to multimeltas and heavy flamers. Why lie?You had to pay for any upgrade, even in things like Leman and retributors.since the leman only came with a cannon and rets only with bolters.
>>98192644Re-read my post
>>98192745What part of this changes from edition to edition and from unit to unit is hard to understand?
>They actually killed Combat Patrol and CrusadeLame as fuck, there was no reason to can either of those. The so-called Combat Patrol Companion book comes with no rules, no missions, no profiles. Crusade started great only to have the best stuff being slowly removed with every following edition and eventually get axed for good only to be replaced with a random missions generator deck.
>>98192753>Mate this is how it always workedClearly it has not always been this way and its mostly a shit thing from 5th. Aka the downfall of 40k
>>98192745that juicy rear 11 demolisher saved me so many times from S4 melee spam
>>98192720nta but for big blobs of militias/cultists I prefer the "random assortment of weapon" weapon profile that represents whatever the fuck these dudes got their hands on. That way you can streamline playing a big unit and model them like the crazy bastards they are.
>>981925999th wasn't half bad by the time every codex was released, it just needed to trim the bloat on relics, WL traits, and especially stratagems. 10th made one good move by reducing strats down to 6 per detachment but it gutted everything else too much.11th is actually objectively better than 10th in every way but sadly it doesn't change enough because 10th is still so shit as a base.Somewhere in the ether exists a perfect edition of 40k that combines the best parts of 4th, Horus Heresy, 9th, and 11th.
>>98192754combat patrol is dead? was it ever actually a game mode?
>>98192754>oh no the rules everybody despised are gone
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>98192758just get mutated hull like a chaos chad and boom everything gets plus one armor value
>>98192760>9th wasn't half bad by the time every codex was released, it just needed to trim the bloat on relics, WL traits, and especially stratagems.>11th is objectively betterShit's barely out. If it was you'd still be correct on accident.
>>981927609th without stratagems and adding back templates, AVs and old morale and AP would have been perfect.
>>98192762Yes, in the previous edition.>>98192767Oh no, the rules that could be turned into a widely popular format known from the other Warhammer game got scrapped because GW knows they can just sell you less content for more money.
>>98192754Crusade is a footnote of what it used to be, and Combat Patrol is probably a lot harder to salvage when for 40k especially it often leans into clearing out stock than being a coherent start to an army. Meanwhile every other GW game handles their discount boxes way better.>>98192762Yes, it wasn't particularly balanced either.
We oldposting?
>>98192777>it often leans into clearing out stock than being a coherent start to an armyThe same is true for AoS. One could argue that AoS boxes are now much worse than 40k ones. Look at the Space Wolves box, Necron box or even CSM box and tell me they are worse than pic related. I can assure you that a recycled warband from a dead spin-off game, 10 monopose dogs and a named dog character is not a good start for an AoS army in any way.
>>98192790I'm gonna go on a fit of rage when they squat tacticals.
>>98192790This was the peak. Basically half an RPG.
I miss 4ths nurgle bikers. Bring them back GW I demand it
>>98192754Yeah, 9e Crusade was unironically fun. I can't say I'm surprised, though. 10e and 11e will be remembered as fondly as 7e in time
>>98192736didn't a recent warhammer+ trailer show off a new trazyn model where he was on a ship or something? or was that a kitbash they showed off for some reason?
>>98192804>demanding more nurgle releasesKILL YOURSELF
Tried on me sister's drawers and got meself a stiffy wiffy. Armies for this feel?
>>98192395Imperial Agents codex was "Hey, remember inquisitors? Well fuck you!"
>>98192807I liked the 10th Crusade content but they have should been added on top of the 9th edition Crusade instead of replacing it. Crusade badges were such a fun little thing, I love them.
>>98192801True but they're never putting a bloodthirster in a combat patrol.
>>98192812Nurgle is chaos done perfectly.
>>98192790>anti-plant grenadesWhat's that do?
>>98192813Why do Americans type like this?
>>98192790>sgt: bolter and bio-scanner>marine: missile launcher (including targeter & suspensors)>basic equipment: power armor with communicator, respirator & autsensesLuv this shit
>>98192801>is not a good start for an AoS army in any way.Its not, but its a very flavourful warband in its own right, for a game mode that is actually good, and which works just fine with exactly this box as your army, without any need to expand it.
>>98192818... nor they put one in a Spearhead box. I think I'm missing your point here.
>>98192812>releasesor ya know just the rules you goober
>>98192819WB & NL are the best chaos warbands.WBs do the dark ritual & worship bestNL do the torture freak raiders best
>>98192812we love nurgle here
>>98192821Removes plant-based terrain from the board, denying cover.
>>98192825Not an argument since the same could be true for Combat Patrol boxes. Spearhead boxes are supposed to be starter boxes as well. They WERE starter boxes before they got Spearhead rules added to them - many of those boxes are pre-4th edition after all.
>>98192320Imperial Agents should really be a list of 1DP detachments you could drop into other Imperial armies along with 2DP Fleet and a 2DP Inquisitor detachment for playing as pure agents.Just like there should be a 1DP Freeblade detachment for Knights, and a 1DP Demiurge detachment that lets you add Hearthkyn Warriors, Sagitaurs, and Hernkyn to Tau.
>>98192837I wonder if reworking it into an anti-terrain payload would make it more fun & desirable.
>>98192828Good armies for Khorne in AoS usually have 3 bloodthirsters.
How come EC never got their bespoke cultists?
>>98192835>WBslollmao even
>>98192843Perhaps not removing terrain permanently but something you can throw instead of shooting to deny cover for a turn would be useful.
Bring back instant death, there I said it
>>98192819Khorne is*They're on the 2e CSM cover and nurgle isn't for a reason
>>98192855Bring back the old additive S/T table too.
>>98192839>Not an argumentNot him but you’re coming off as a retard, combat patrols have never once been organically thematic (looking at the dark angels box here in particular) and they don’t even mechanically work well enough with each other in combat patrol or the big 2000 point games. Also spearheads are like $20 cheaper than combat patrols for whatever that’s worth, and it’s for that reason why I bother engaging in spearhead tournaments.
I realized I've played less than 10 games of 10e, and the numbers will probably remain the same for 11e. Honestly, I'm feeling pretty done with playing this game. Still like modeling and painting, though. Also, time goes by so fast. Apparently, AoS Dominion Sellign Fast was 5 years ago
>>98192845>tzeentch got tzaangorsWere part of the fluff, but most importantly they are an AoS unit ported to 40k.>nurgle got poxwalkersThat has been a unit for a long time, even if you made it by kitbashing with WFB zombies. Does AoS/TOW have a zombies kit still?>khorne got jakhalsDo you really want half naked cadians with bane masks?>EC cultitsEC only got a range because GW felt they had to. It was a very lackluster range because it was half-assed.
>>98192839>could be true for Combat Patrol boxesCould, but for some reason, they decided against that.>Spearhead boxes are supposed to be starter boxes as wellSays who?>They WERE starter boxes beforeExactly, and now Spearhead evolved into a well designed game. - Which allows them to do boxes like that one above, without it being just a weird starter box. >many of those boxes are pre-4th edition after all.True, but that is just how it is. They can not replace everything at once. But little by little, they will upgrade them for sure.
I want grenades to be more than a keyword. In particular I want blight grenades back.
>>98192774This but I wouldn't remove stratagems entirely.First get rid of all the "pregame" stratagems that let you take an extra relic or upgrade a unit and shit like that, and turn those into normal points upgrades.Then out of the remaining ones, make it so you can pick any 6. You write them onto your army list and those are the only stratagems you get for that battle. If you want to get fancy you can let tournament players "sideboard" up to three other stratagems they can swap out for before the start of the battle.
>>98192845Because on launch they only had a budget for 7 new kits and they didn't want to waste one on Cultists
>>98192873>This but I wouldn't remove stratagems entirely.I would. Replace it with reactions if you must but I don't wanna have to keep track of a metacurrency in a wargame.
>>98192871I want haywire grenades back for unimaginable seethe
>>98192874But apparently, AoS has 15 chaos cultists or something? A full sidegame of cultists
>>98192790>16 grenade optionsSOVL
>>98192867>Says who?GW itself in their promotional materials and hobby primers.
>>98192880And necromunda is a whole game of cultists too, what’s your point?
>>98192880No that was the intention of Warcry but they immediately dethemed it and make it AoS skirmish slop. Then the retired all those cultist kits which is a shame because the models were great.
>>98192849GSC had something like that in 9th for Crusade.
>>98192660Plus the ironstrider was used as an example.
>>98192871I thought you said "blind" grenade and I assumed it was a shitpost
>>98192301>Somebody at GW thinks "wouldn't it be neat if we had models for [random Imperium bullshit]?">Makes one-off kit of thing>Repeat this process several times>Realize they have a bunch of disjointed Imperium kits that don't really fit in to any existing codex>Lazily throw them together in a book that has no real cohesion or purpose
>sacresancts+dialogus advance on auto 6 and chargeWe have banshees at home.
>>98192902That armor makes xer look fat
>>98192902models are made first, then the rules and fluff are created for the model. That's how it's always been since chapterhouse.
So, I have a combined pile of shame consisting of BT and CSM stuff. It's around 500 pts on each side. How cringe would it be to mix it up into something like a warband of WB anti-paladins?
>>98192909only from the front
>>98192672The 3rd edition Ork Codex was so bad it made me quit the game for two years. All my traktor kannons, smasha guns, splatta kannons and squig catapults suddenly just "Zzap gun". My boarboyz just gone. And still expected to scratchbuild a battlewagon because fuck getting a vehicle that wasn't Imperium or Eldar.
>>98192860I'd be happy if they'd just expand the current one once in each extreme. If strength is triple toughness, automatically wound. If strength is one third (or less) than toughness, cannot wound.
>>98192916Oh i thought it was salvaged dark eldar armor
>>98192902Any agents books after 7e shouldn’t have happened since GW is anti-kitbash
>>98192907With WS 2+ +1S +1A in the new sac detachment too. You could even combine the 1 DP detachments so they get +1" movement and another +1S, with a Palatine for lethal hits.I do think Hospitaller makes more sense with the sacs but you can do some fun stuff.
>>98192916>cankles
>>98192918As soulful as all the old ork artillery pieces were, that shit was a nightmare to resolve with like a full page of rules for each individual gun type. Early 3rd edition went too hard with oversimplifying but still something needed to be done.
>>98192919The issue with the multiplicative table is that it stretches out breakpoints too much. With the old one, every point of S or T meant a different roll unless the difference was too big. Right now there's nothing between the bigger and double breakpoints making many values (that you're supposedly paying more for) make absolutely no difference.
>>98192938This, it's been an obvious problem since 8th and I don't know why GW insists on the new shitty table.
>>98192924It looks nothing like Dark Eldar armor. Do you mean because it has segmented layers?
>>98192938This is why Plague Marines gaining another point of toughness is mostly meaningless and did very little to actually increase their durability. They should have some kind of FnP, or always on armour of contempt, or -1 to wound is S is greater than their T. Fucking something.
>>98192773>Shit's barely outWe have all the rules text
>>98192944yeah, I just glanced at the box, saw the shuriken catapult and the black+green highlights segmented armor and assumed the character had a thing for collecting eldar xeno-tech
>>98192954We do not. The app is going to have expanded rules not available in the core rules document. This has already been confirmed several places.
>>98192951Or GW could just fix the S/T table so they don't need to add complexity through another special rule exception when the core rules could handle that problem and many others all in one go
>>98192959That's a bad thing, though.
>>98192954>I can judge how good a game is by the text rules aloneOkay einstein
>>98192970It's made by GW, so it's obvious the rules won't be good
>>98192962The same shit happens to armour and AP since 8th. Modifiers means you fucking never get your actual save on any weapon that matters so 2+ and 3+ saves are worth way, way less than they used to. You have shit like terminators bumped to T5/2+/4++ and they feel like wet paper because T5 means nothing because the breakpoint is either at T8 or T10 and you fucking never get the 2+ save.
>>98192970I've been playing every different edition since 2nd and I've got 4 years of study in game design theory from MIT so yeah, I can tell by just reading the text whether something will ballpark be generally better or worse before playing it for more detailed understanding.
>>98192944The more I look at this kit the more I'm convinced they were actively trying to make the silhouette less feminine. >Breast largely obscured by arm and necklace>Ass covered by skirt>Hips covered by weird plates They even included a veiled face option ffs. If they came out with a new Wych kit tomorrow the chicks would probably be in full burqas (the males would still be in crop tops and BDSM leathers).
>>98192985Peak woke is over. GWs designs will reflect this once Mike Brooks dies from aids
>>98192985Good. Drukhari will see the light of Allah and follow the one true path.
>>98192984>MITApparently they forgot to teach you that testing exists because you can't judge a ruleset by text aloneAnd I don't care about how many years in whatever school you got, I've got the worst takes possible given to me by people flaunting their degress and PHDs.
>>98192985The veil is hot though
>>98192985If you want another weird thing, none of the new Dark Eldar have any skulls, severed heads, or flesh capes. Just look at the new Archon. They're all China censorship approved sculpts
>>98192994>Apparently they forgot to teach you that testing exists because you can't judge a ruleset by text aloneNTA but most of 11th's issues are the same as in 10th and we've had 3 years of that shit already.
>>98192994>teach you that testing existsI think we all agree someone should teach GW about playtesting
>>98192988It's gonna take awhile to clear the woke sludge from the pipeline because GWs designers work years and years ahead of us seeing the releases, and even though woke culture is dying there are still leftoid commie culture warriors who have already been hired by GW who aren't going to suddenly relax their fringe views at the individual level, so we also need to wait for more hiring/firing turnover. Shit's not getting better overnight. Also even as woke itself dies new problems are arising in AI slop. We need a generation of creative chud autodidacts training themselves in the traditions of western canon in the arts to get a new golden age.
>>98192997Veils are only hot when the rest of the outfit is revealing. It's the false modesty that sells it.
>>98193017Ngl I've seen Hijabis with thongs peeking through the fabrics of their burkas and it's pretty hot
>>98193008>archon kit has breastplate option (male or female)>space marine kits have lost this feature for a decade now)I hate GW
>>98192984AP definitely needs to be dramatically reduced across the entire game.
>>98193031made me kek.
>>98192801This box is kino. Pure thematic cohesion. Shelf clearers are collection of random trash
They're taunting me
>>98193084you are my least favorite schizo here
>>98192835
>>98193086Say my name
Ultramarine kiddies are still fucking reeling over this lmfao
>>98193124As a marine fag I'm baffled that the only thing I'd get this for is the land speeder.
>>98193124How come the niggas on the box art have bolters instead of the horrible bolt rifles? Last minute change?
I dont get why you would ever willingly buy an etb kit.
>>98193124I ordered a box cause my girlfriend wanted the ork halfexcited to kitbash the fuck out of the marine half with my mountain of old bits
>>98192790
>>98193124Ultramad
>>98193140They have bolt rifles, it's just the artist is terrible with proportions>>98193142What if there is no multipart equivalent?
>>98193134I really like the charachters skulpts, you can have my landspeeder, really dont like the design of it
>>98193142Judt cut the pegs off. ETB kits add some needed variation in poses
>>98193154kek, snatch'd
>>98193092Maybe the marines malevolent are IWs after all. The talk of them a couple threads ago got me thinking of an only war scenario where penal troops are stuck with them as support
>>98193158Same. The nu-speeder is awful, every single change they added just made it worse than the original. It was the main thing I was excited for in the box and it's just worthless primaris trash.
>>98192821Agent orange grenades so you can give your enemies birth defects.
>>98193124Shocked the landspeeder is still around
>>98193124>every time Horus Heresy gets a new box it's a different mark of armour>Mk VI, Mk III, Mk II, Mk IV>40k has just been giving us the same fucking thing since 8th edition now>Mk X, Mk X, Mk X, Mk XFucking why, it's 11th edition, it would have been the perfect time to release a Mk XI suit and try to undo some of the shitty design of Primaris
>>98193194You do not want them to open the Pandora's box of the Mk XI armor
>>98193194No you don't understand they finally got intercessors right where they should've had them in the first place.
>>98193124Box was made for newfags who love nostalgia they weren’t born for.
>>98193203>they finally got intercessors right where they should've had them in the first placeIt's funny because there's a good chance that the multipart intercessors are still less content than the old tac squad.
>>98192463Man the first founding chapters get mogged hard by successors
>>98193124Whats wrong with it chat?
>>98193124I'm waiting for the start collecting box with only 5 intercessors, no eradicators, and just the captain and librarian for characters.
>>98192843I've been toying with deployable terrain with different characteristics in my wargame. Currently is just an area marked with a token.Usually players prefer to shoot and kill more than placing a terrain feature.It works better in boards that are like old space hulk game as it can close up entire corridores.
>>98192801Based as shit warband tho>On every level except the physical, I am a flesh hound.>[barks]
>>98193245Put the trip back on.
>>98192754>>98192762At my LGS they already said people preferred to just play a low point game. At some point if you already have minis, you might actually have to buy in to play combat patrol which is counterintuitive.
>>98192812>6th edition chaos lords on bikes can make bikes troops>mark of nurgle +1 toughness>T6 bikes running around at 2 wounds being annoying as fuck>and jink 4++ was a thing
>>98193239Deployable cover is less fun than a shield/field.Blocking is fun in tight spaceship corridors because it challenges the status quo (like filling a room with fire in the space hulk board game, which temporarily denies access to a room/corridor for all players).In an open board, how can placing terrain change the status quo and create new opportunities? Maybe ladders? Ramps? Bridges that can be lowered or raised if you hold the control room? Difficult terrain/traps like mines or caltrops?In short: it should change things up and, if possible add rather than remove (the flamer thing from space hulk is a good example, as while it blocks access it actually asks the player a choice: Do I wait or do I go around [or even risk it?])Looking forward to what you're doing with your wargame
>>98193214Feels like many kits are anemic compared to older ones, even allowing a bunch of weapons as they are as opposed to them being stuck onto an arm from the start.
>>98193214I mean it's not gonna have any of the specials or heavies that's for sure. Speaking of which the new wolf scouts do have an actual plasmagun instead of a plasma incinerator.
>>98193092More excited than I should be about blowing up my own dudes for an IG player.
>>98193285Oh hell yeah. I loved that Strat in 8th.
>>98193264Almost none of this is true.Chaos Lords never made bikers troops.Chaos bikers had 1W.6E bikes couldn't jink, they just got a cover save for moving.
>>98193285there's an islam detachment?
Hopefully a bunch of 10 man tacs/intercessors in rhinos, whirlwinds + speeders for spotting and land raiders + terminators will be a viable build. Dreads too if they still exist.
>>98193305
>>98193316Can't believe I'm saying this and hopefully there'll be a better mix of detachments with the codex but formations were a lot more fun than what we have currently.
>>98193274GW is really weird with options. The terminator kit is ripe for customization, but they haven't done much with it.Then they also pull shit like the half-hand. The sternguard kit has 5 pairs of arms for the combi weapons, with 6 combi weapons. normally that's a good thing, but here the back of the hand is on the arm, so the last combi weapon is missing a piece which you have to fix yourself. There's no good reason for this. Don't tell me they couldn't fit an extra back of a hand on the sprue.>>98193279When I saw the plasmagun I didn't know if I was supposed to be glad it wasn't a primaris weapon or if I was supposed to be sad they copy pasted an old plasmagun. It was a weird choice for sure, especially for wolf scouts.
>>98193271I have a thing that scramble stats.For example if you are T7 you would end being T3 (1 to 10). Originally I had it that is scramble them within the stat line such as your movement 4 would be replaced for your leadership of 10. So now you move fast as fuck but a scardy cat.But it was too much to track so I went with just flipping them within the same stat since my stat line go from 1 to 10.
>>98193313Mk4 castraferrum kit for horus heresy soon, trust.Tasteful list
Siege regiment bros!!! this is our time!
>>98193331Space time disruption kind of thing, stealing that.Would it count as a grenade? Remind me of the ol' vortex grenade somehow.
>>98193336But indirect fire is shit now
Are Blood Angels Infernus marines supposed to have red helmets or blue helmets?
>>981933197th was so peak. Shame it’s over shadowed by a 2++ rerollable for demons
>>98193348heres the funny partit was never an indirect detachment ;^}
>>98193351Or even yellow, actually?
>7th was so peakI've heard it all now.
>>98193342Nop, I'm doing magic for this. But any mechanic can be fluffed as something else to be honest.
>>98193362>magicMakes sense.>any mechanic can be fluffed as something else to be honest.This. Good approach.
>>98193351People seem split between yellow & blue, with a few red ones.Blue makes sense, but really do what makes the most sense to you.
>>98193360Don't get me wrong there was a lot of shit and retarded stuff like formations giving away 500 free points worth of transports but the offering of formations was a lot more interesting than the detachments we've seen so far.
>>98193358I don't care, I'm not playing that regiment without big fucking artillery shells raining from the sky
>>98193264>>98193299I had a pack of Chaos Spawn following my Nurgle Biker Lord around. Good times.
She cute.
>>98193411>I had a disgusting meta build>good times
Here are your new Slaanesh demons
For some reason I have this gut feeling that all homebrew armies are inherently bad no matter how well written they are. Something about writing your own lore is just inherently cringe to me. I'm not saying it's right to feel this way, but I do feel this way. Nothing to do with paint schemes though, just lore.
>>98193499Fuck off nigga you ain't welcome round these here parts
>>98193499Mine are a chapter of marines that after seeing the results of the heresy and every loyalist primarch fucking off or dying they grew to hate primarchs as a whole and ditched the codex for the principia bellicosa and painted their armour in the grey of pre-primarch legions.
Freehanding canon pauldrons
>>98193547>>98193557Homebrew lore and custom characters just feel really childish to me
>>98193564Brother you are playing with toy soldiers.
>>98193499>>98193564>childishElaborate
>>98193564As opposed to collecting toys?
>>98193564>he says>in a game where you play pretend with space army men
>>98193564The setting was literally made to homebrew lore and custom characters.
>>98193580>>98193585>>98193599>>98193605>>98193617It's a feeling I have, not an opinion
>>98193628You can elaborate on a feeling
>>98193499at this point, homebrew lore is either on par with, or better than modern GW’s writing quality, so what you’re feeling isn’t a quality issue, its either a dislike toward someone putting in a lot of effort, or not liking that something isn’t given a rubber stamp by GW, and both reasons are deeply irrational.
>>98193632Wargaming is just barely above playing with toys on the hobby ladder of maturity, and making up your own stories and characters brings it down a rung closer to playing with toys
>>98193661Okay, I understand your perspective. Can I ask what's immature about playing with toys?
>>98193661Real mature men watch niggers run after a ball and get upset for a week when they don't put the ball where where it's supposed to go
Rivet counting scratches my autism.
>>98193680Got some mk3 coming in the mail to make some minotaurs. I wish I was good enough with greenstuff/3d sculpting to remake picrel since he's also wearing mk3
>>98193661well you do admit its irrational, but that problem will still exist even if you just play with canon factions. bringing in your captain titus against your opponent’s silent king is going to be on par with bringing your he-man to fight skeletor if the problem is that you’re assigning a story and characters to toys clashing with each other.
>>98193673>Can I ask what's immature about playing with toys?be real bruh>>98193674I know, but as I said, it's a feeling, not a rational thought. When I read other people's homebrew lore or write my own, I just feel embarrassed.
>>98192383started a dreadnought
>>98193661Does this include Chess, if not, why? How abstract do the board, game pieces, and simulated combat need to be before it become a totally mature hobby?
>>98193727I am being real. I understand that playing with toys is associated with children, I'm not retarded, but I'm asking you why that is.We look at playing with toys, and we see children, that's normal. But the question becomes>Why is it important for an adult to not do like a childFollowed by>Does playing with toys actually fall into that?
>>98193723I used to feel that way, but it was only a little cringe so I got over it, but this homebrew thing, the cringe feels powerful for some reason.>>98193738No, it doesn't include chess, and that's entirely down to that fact that other adults universally consider it to be a mature hobby. Wargaming is not universally considered to be a mature hobby, but enough adults do it that I feel comfortable doing it myself, but homebrew lore pushes it over the edge into being cringe. There's levels to cringe ya know.>>98193750Societal judgement, as said above. Playing with toys is universally considered to be a thing only for children, and therefore it's unacceptable for an adult to do it (unless you're doing it with a child of course because duh).
>>98193763>Societal judgementOkay, we're getting somewhere, judgement is an opinion, but is it a valid opinion?
>>98193777>valid opinionI have no idea what you're getting at there
>>98193782If I say>Eat vegetables, because the fibres are good for youIt's valid: it makes sense, is verifiable.If I say>Don't eat veggies, because veggies are for gay pussiesIt's not quite valid.In short: do people judging playing with toys as an adult as bad have something to back that up; a good reason.What is actually wrong with an adult playing with toys?
>>98193124i think they look incredibly lame and bland. i went to pick up a Combat Patrol instead of the starter kit as a complete beginner because i knew i'd take no pleasure in modeling and painting these
>>98193763So your feeling is entirely based on what other people think and how they'll perceive you if you do something not approved cool by the cool kids. Ngl, anon, that's kind of logic feels infinitely more immature than writing fiction about some models you painted.
>>98193415spawn weren't a meta build, fakegrog
>>98193801>What is actually wrong with an adult playing with toys?Nothing, but it's judgement that matters to me. I can say I play warhammer, and some people will think it's kinda nerdy, but whatever, I'm fine with that. But if I start telling them about my made up lore of my army, they'll be thinking I'm a hopeless manchild. There are levels to this.>>98193806>not approved cool by the cool kidsUh no, not approved socially acceptable by everyone. There are no "cool kids" in adult society, just normal people and weirdos.
>>98193809the nurgle biker lord was, retard, everyone had one because all chaosfags were waacfags.
>>98193809One whole character is not a build, dumbass.
>>98193763it feels like you’re genuinely very self conscious about how others perceive you, and don’t want others to think you’re childish. I’d recommend looking up the ways to boost your self esteem. for me, the best way was to just talk to people more frequently and realize that they either have interests that are also “childish” or are just straight up boring to be around. I also think this quote from C.S. Lewis is very good for this situation.>When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty, I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.
>>98193828>just normal people and weirdos.Just cool kids and nerds, got it. You understand you sound like a child, right? Afraid to play pretend because "that's not what big boys do."
Convince me not to start Grey Knights as my first 40k army. I love their lore, paint scheme and think the models are cool. Yes, even the Dreadknight. Reminds me of that Matrix mech.
>>98193845>it feels like you’re genuinely very self conscious about how others perceive youyeah I definitely am, I want to blend into the background completely>>98193851true
>>98193828>Nothing, but it's judgement that matters to me.And that's fair. I know we're on /40kg/ but I'm not here to just call you a retard and that you're wrong.We can act like the outside world doesn't exist but unfortunately we don't live on another planet.I don't go around telling people I write about crazy space dudes, I keep that to the people who get it. Because I'd rather not deal with the judgement and attitude of people who don't get it.We can care about judgement without it affecting our opinion of ourselves. Because my time and energy matters and if a colleagues start to give me shit for my hobbies, we're not gonna have a good day.Judgement matters in that we want to navigate life without dealing with the actual fucktards who can't keep their opinion to themselves.You seem like someone who can respect people's choices even when you disagree, so thank you for speaking your mind and not being a cunt like we know many people can be.
>>98193854they are getting a near complete overhaul of models some time this edition - aka next 3 years, likely sooner.only things not being updated are likely to be the generic librarian, Crowe, and the dreadknight.
>want a single certain model from a 5-man kit>only people selling it want over half of the MSRP for itgod I hate the secondary market
>>98193563cute
>>98193731>missiles and combi boltersYou can do better.
>>98193865Well it's good to know GW can't possibly make worse looking sculpts than the existing Grey Knights lineup
>>98193563I was just re-reading the September 2009 WD, nice homage to the OG
I like chaos spawn because they're just such worthless, pointless, fucked up mutant animals used only for soaking up bolts. They literally can't do anything else. It's like sending a cow across no man's land in WWI. They might be the least valued life form in the galaxy, no one gives even the slightest fuck about chaos spawn and that's hilarious to me.
>>98193918They're not animals
>>98193918I like chaos spawns because they are the other side of the coin. You can rise to demonhood, or end up a horrid lobotomized beast. Or die trying.
>>98193923Yeah I know, but they act like animals and are treated like animals. Like this thing used to be a person, and now it's worth absolutely nothing to anyone, it's funny.Also they're classified as beasts in game so they kind of are animals.
Why do I get the feeling when Dorn is officially announced to be back in the setting, we're going to get something akin to this WEBM between Dorn and Perturabo?
>>98193865>>98193912Imagine they all end up looking like the new Sanguinary Guard.
>>98193956no, because neither of those two cucks are as cool as kiryu or even kuze
>>98193956Because we have to suffer the marvel faggotry.>>98193958>buy multipart kit that look a tad datedvs>buy worse kit that looks sharper but messed details you likedWe have to suffer.
>>98193969Best of two worlds is having leftover bits from the older kits to make the new one look better.
>>98193977>have cool bit from old kit>need to cut the new bit to make the old bit fit because it wasn't designed for it>Have a great idea for a kitbash>already used the bit on a fun model>can't buy the bit again, kit OOPA band-aid, really, not the "best of both worlds".
>armies even more dumbed down than they were in 10th>narrative modes completely dead>heavily standardized terrain, so all tables look the exact same now>games are all about "balance" and "competition" rather than trying to create a storyThis game is no longer a wargame. It's an overglorified board game.
>>98193989I can't hear you over my legendary creature I mean character generating another mana I mean CP for my spell I mean stratagem
tyranids are the good guysunity is the natural statenature is Godthat is all
>>98193989>ignoring the crusade deckpeople that have no models complain the loudest
>>98193998mfw
>>98193998they aren't any more natural than a necron
>>98194010they are biology itself having arrived at an apex state under entirely its own inertiathe highest form of life to have ever come aboutperfect organism
>>98193998right now, the need for dinner is rising
>>98192457Your pictures are great.Do you;A) Have more?B) Have an instagram I can follow.
in hindsight when I had 105 dollars in ebay gift cards I should have bought the Lord of Skulls.I have all the World Eaters bespoke models except that. I like the idea of world eaters, but their overall line would work better with more emphasis on berzerkers and less on cultists.
>>98192286the problem with modern markets is that Toys n Things game store owned by the 45 year old granson of the 103 year old who founded it in the 1970s will often end up pricing things more reasonable (or even just straight up a steal) compared to Faggotron1969's ebay store where he marks everything up for max profit.The problem with conveniece of buying shit online is that it is easier to find the models but you pay a premium for it compared to some random mom and pop shop you find one day.
>>98192463No love for rainbow warriors?
>>98192557Yes, Robin Cruddace i.e. the crudmeister , he is now the lead rules designer for 40k
>>98194017they are as artificial as any other race, they just make their tools with living components, that's it
>>98194104>they are as artificial as any other racedo you have any citations to offer or concrete evidence for this claim?
>>98193203No they still look like ass.
>>98194181Just one more set of intercessors we just need one more to get it right
>>98193564The entire point of the hobby is to do those things.
When is this nigga getting a refresh, his model sucks. Compare him to other chapter masters like Ahriman, Logan Grimnar, Typhus, or Azrael and gets mogged hard. >small>shitty pose>looks like a normal berserker
>>98193989This is really the biggest problem of all. Everything else wrong with the rules is downstream of the focus on tourney faggotry.
Primarchs should have been left in the heresy as distant myths and legendsBringing them back sucks assI miss the 40k that played up the stagnation and decay from heights of grandeur
>Firestorm Assault Force - Purge the Foe - 2DP>Bringers of Flame - Purge the Foe - 3DPMake it make sense.
>>98194201>compare him to other chapter masters like ...ahriman and typhusI know what you mean and all but it's still a bit jarring
>>98194208the imperium is forever mortally wounded and slowly bleeding to death in its lumbering limping forward while being chewed at on all sides by resurgent xenos if you want it to be anonjust entirely disregard everything in the way of a story gw is attempting to tell past a pointno primaris, no primarchs, no cawl. none of it's canon. none of it adds anything.only the yawning, sultry, abyssal maw of death slowly and delicately swallowing mankind for good in increments for tens of thousands of years
>>98194201just buy the metal one you can find it on ebay for as cheap as the modern kit
>>981942081000%I'm so sick of Primarch wank and Horus Heresy lore secondaries thinking they are relevant to the actual 40k.
>>98194233Amen. It is exhausting.
>>98194208seethe more. The game is more popular than ever, they will only double-down on it. Expect a sanguinius revival + model in the next 5 years and a GEOMK revial + model in the next 10. We'll be in 50k in the next 15 years, mark my word.
>>98194243>The game is more popular than everI genuinely don't even believe this is true. 11th starter seems like its selling less than 10th.
>>98194244you might genuinely be retarded
>>98194243sanguinis will reveal he has been posing as the sanguinor all along and we will get a primaris sanguinorinis model
>Kill Team General is deadWhat's the best loadout for a Goremonger Kill Team? I'm entering a tournament with them.
>>98194245You have zero proof the game is doing "better than ever", everyone I know who used to play has given up on it, and that's a lot of fucking people. They still have models collecting dust but no one is gaming on 10th and none of them are excited about 11th and the launch box is clearly not doing as well as Leviathan.
>>98194261You have zero proof the game is doing "worse than ever", everyone I know who plays has preordered it, and that's a lot of fucking people. They still have models collecting Ws and Ls and all of them are gaming on 10th and all of them are excited about 11th and the launch box is clearly doing even better than Leviathan.
>>98194244>>98194261You're replying to a shitposter anon
>>98194283meant for >>98194245>>98194270
>>98194256>/ktg/ is dead>came here instead of just googlingI don't think many folk here play KT, anon. That game took a weird turn and ostracised standard 40K players with its bespoke teams
>>98194261You realize they produced way more than they did with leviathan, which didn't sell out for quite a whileYou have zero metrics other than anecdotal local evidence of you going "trust me bro I know lots of people"
So Space Marines 2 never play the first game think I might get the second game on my switch to for Christmas eye for the most part know what happened in the aftermath of the first one with Captain Titus and I do know who the ultramarines and what is 40k I am a secondary but I am in for a good game if I can play it and not constantly fair at it. I might have gotten it for my computer if I didn't think it would probably be too hard for the computer and I have limited memory space for games on my computer.
>>98194306Oh my fucking god dude, lrn2type. Are you ESL, 12yo or just too lazy to learn legible english?
>>98194306Have fun anon/vg/ has a space marine general which would probably be better to discuss this, this general has a lot of anti-video game sentiment these days
>>98194303>You realize they produced way more than they did with leviathanSource?
>>98194311>>98194312>>98194306 I'm trying to ask how much in universe knowledge or professional gaming level of stuff do you need going into something like Space Marine 2 ?
>>98194201how about they release the rest of the army before worrying about refreshes also marine shit is the easiest shit to kitbash, just make a better one yourself
>>98194317Not much, they do a pretty good job of explaining the things you encounter in the story and co-opThere are a couple of characters and callbacks to the first one that won't be as impactful but they won't ruin the story or anything
>>98194317But you didn't ask a single question in that run on sentence, anon. The answer is no, you really don't need to know much at all. Some details might escape you like why you're playing a chapterless marine at the start, but it's a shlocky action game and ultimately you can have fun without knowing those things.
What's to most popular army that isn't any kind of space marine?
>>98192257Way back in the day I had a dream where the tau empire attacked my school and killed everyone. That's the only one. Unless dreams where I'm visiting the LGS only to realize I'm naked count.
>>98192301>>98192902Codex Inquisition could stand on its own but codex assassins and codex rogue traders can't. Deathwatch also gets a new home.The real question is why they shy away from codex: eldar agents with harlequins, corsairs, ynnari and an exodite kill team existing in a middle zone between aspect warrior focused craftworlders and rape focused drukhari
>>98192188for the silver parts>prime black>airbrush AK hull red all over, and airbrush AK medium rust in pockets>drybrush gun metal or leadbelcher equivalent, this one is mixed a bit with a metallic blue like AK cobalt bluefor the brass / copper>undercoat with a thin layer of AK ocean blue (or any sort of blue equiavlent)>drybrush screaming bell
>>98194324>But you didn't ask a single question in that run on sentence, anon. Sorry is my Asperger's, it's a disability Mainly because of communication problems. Also I was doing speak to text with the TV on
>>98194342>Also I was doing speak to text with the TV onYeah don't do that, it's awful and honestly disrespectful to the people you're trying to communicate with
>try to use my necron compound to drybrush>its wet inside for some reason and doesn't pick up edges well
>>98194256lol you're the guy from yesterday
>recently my birthday>spending birthday gift cash on car insuranceI feel like this happened in march too with my car's tires, I didn't bother buying the Devlan box.
>>98194328necrons and tyranids because they were part of new edition starter sets in indomitus for 9th and leviathan for 10th respectively. presumably, orks will be up there too soon once the armageddon box releases, but we’ll only know when the tournament player count comes in.
>>98194352>try to use GW paint>its below average qualitythere's good reason you get told to use literally any other brand
>>98194328guard, orks, necrons and nids
>>98194362a lot of other paint brands have become shittier as well plus GW gives me neat categories like edge, highlight, technical and poopie that I can organize my paints into little chubbies in my large file desk I don't use for files because I never got into harvard law or even yale.
The quality of writing itt is giving me an actual headache from trying to parse wtf y'all trying to say
>>98194390me when i try to read a post from someone imitating ork speech
>>98194328the tau player base is massive
>>98194397That's just your Americanism I fear. As an Aussie, Brit slang/orkish abbreviations are second nature to me
>>98194390https://youtu.be/YtKt2wFsx28?t=6
>>98194390any person with true literacy has it easy to read any kind of written text because of their education if you’re dumb and don’t have literacy then you won’t be able to read anything anyone here says no matter how anyone here writes it
>>98194408I miss him so much. how would he fare in 40K?
>>98194416perfect sycophant for a tyrannical imperial governor who falls to chaos, somehow ends up captured by the dark eldar and becomes a curiosity as a pet due to his willingness to do literally anything without the dark eldar having to compel him with torture. Still gets tortured to death despite his loyalty because lol dark eldar.
>>98194409You dumb run-on sentence nigger, grammar and punctuation exist to make text easier to read. Fucking use it.
>>98194431and
>>98194390>y'all
How do you paint World Eaters when they really only good 2 color schemes? >Red and Gold>White and Blue
>>98194460>GoodGot*Good morning saars, I will now do the needful
>>98194390Wani!
>>98194460retard
>>98194460Khorne is brass, not gold. But also you can paint them however tf you want really
All I wanna do is run a 40k list centred around an ordos hereticus Inquisitor, his freaks and weirdos + sisters of battle with some priests and various other ministorum typesTo me this is peak 40k flavour wiseEssential units include:- Inquisitor - retinue- sisters of battle squads- penitent engines- arco flagellants- priest- priest in a big pulpit-walker (counts as intranzia fraye)- redemptionists with eviscorators (count as repentia)Optional units include:Inquisitorial stormtroopers / arbitesHow easy / difficult is that in 11 ed?
>>98194409Fuck off out of here you illiterate twat, and take your speech to text horseshit with you.
>>98194459What's wrong unc?
>>98194474Uh oh, you're going to summon the Imperial Agents whinger...
>>98194474its possible. you'd need to run it as actual sisters of battle army, not agents. maybe do something like this video for a Triumph instead of allying an inquisitor.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIbRtBMOYHQthe army will also probably suck ass in all honesty. glhf anon. t. GK/Inq anon
What for you, is the worst model?For me its the beast of nurgle. They flanderised the lore and made what looks like a slug monster from a children's movie instead of a disgusting nurgle daemonImportantly (and something forgotten) is that the beast of nurgle is the larval stage of plague dronesThey should have made them look like huge swollen maggots with diminutive insectoid forelimbs
>>98194514Hell, some forelimbs on these and you've got a better BoN
>>98194514>They flanderised the lorethey didn't change it at all
I like nu-dreads
>>98194554
>>98194554Do you have any pics of your own, anon?
>>98194524Autism. I'm obviously talking about the translation of the lore into it's newest model
>>98194599I get what you mean, they did it with tzeentch daemons too.>midhammer horrors: horrific body horror, models look like the dudes are in a constant state of flux/mutation>nu-horrors: duhh pudgy little dudes with beaks ig?
>>98194460the second scheme but then cover them in Blood for the Blood God paint so it looks like the first scheme
>>98194491>callidusMy deep annoyance with all the assassins for being single small character models and then people on ebay will sell one with broken arms but demand 25 bucks for it when you can get them new for 30 and I don't want to pay either price.Fuckin Adamus assassins for 40k when
>>98194460I think green would look pretty cool with bronze trim
>>98194628highly recommend the $7 ones from ivan
>>981944594chan users shitting their britches over yall is the weirdest shibboleth
>>98194695i recommend the .50c ones out of an elegoo machie ;^3
>>98194514toebliterator or heldrake
>>98194514probably this model despite me still painting him. ork meks are such a cool concept, but they slapped on way too much bullshit, so he’s just a mess of different parts.
>>98194717>t they slapped on way too much bullshit, so he’s just a mess of different parts.But that's Orks.
>>98194701It's strange but funny, just makes me use it more. I think it's an American chud reaction because they associate it with AAVE, without realising how widespread it has become
y'all'd've
>>98194701>>98194724If you were actually black it would work, but it's just redditors instead.
>>98194717>>98194720Orks have a method to their madness, for some reaason this guy augmented his legs but couldn't scrape together torso armor, the metal arm is counterbalancing the gun when that only works in this specific pose.
>>98194750>only black people say y'all
>>98194750Y'all has been used by white country bumpkins for decades now. It's used all across Australia and we have next to no African Americans, get a grip
>>98194725From the deep south and I unironically say this
>>98194756>>98194757Bad faith.>"but southerners say it too!">are you southern?>"no..."
>>98194760>southernerssilence yuro
>>98194757>white country bumpkins for decades nowIt's basically everyone in the south. Has been a southern thing for 200 years.
>>98194760>AustraliaDumb mutt
>>98194760nta but I say it because I imitate black twitter lingo because its funny
>>98194760>are you southern?Yes.
How can people argue the Imperium is good when there exist texts in their rulebooks that say this:"Every year,listening stations, ouqposts and Explorator fleets discover more new life forms. Some of the xenos discovered are peaceful, ensuring they are easily subjugated or, if troops are readily available and the situation dictates, mercilessly exterminated. So it has always been, and of these rninor or inconsequential races, little more need be mentioned.""Much of the Imperium, led by the religious fervour of the Adeptus Ministorum, believe in the exterrnination of all aliens, even those that are entirely peaceful species. When the masses are stirred to such fear and fanaticism, they demand destruction over any kind of cooperation or coexistence."
>>98194771i am humana fully human galaxy is good
>>98194771>there exist texts in their rulebooksSaar.>subjugated or, if troops are readily available and the situation dictates, mercilessly exterminated.When have they ever subjugated instead of exterminated. Do abhumans count?
>>98194773Chud logic
>>98194771I am human.Aliens being on my cock is their fate.
Just because troon and progressive started saying "yall" to be quirky doesnt mean im going to cede my linguistic heritage to those dregs. No retreat. No surrender.
>>98194771Because people who get defensive about the Imperium being comically evil are genuinely retarded.
>>98194774The lore says that the primitive Tau were marked for exploitation and then extermination by the Imperium.
>>98194779Your "linguistic heritage"? Alright, cease using all loan words right now. You're not French, stop using their words
So what was the point of pre-ordering on GWs sites if the boxset is going to be in stock everywhere at $50 cheaper?
>>98194720not to this extent. he should lose at least two or three features to look like a proper ork>get rid of generator backpack >get rid of right arm and make the klaw/drill an outright cyborg arm or just get rid of klaw/drill and replace wrench with the mek with kff wrench axe>get rid of chest strap and the big metal thing attached to it to free up chest and arm
>>98194775many such cases
>>98194786Good question lmao.
>>98194757lol nobody says "yall" in Australia except terminally online city retards copying American twitter shit.
>>98194786We've had extensive talks itt about buying from FLGS that have a flat percentage off. Your fault for not listening
>>98194793They're just going to pretend not to understand until the next thread.
>>98194786There isn't one. FOMO is an integral part of GW's business plan and it works.
>>98194786to give james a little support for a job well done
>>98194793And where do you live? Lemme guess, Melbournite city snob?
>>98194785>you're not frenchOh buddy. Im from the second Angevin Empire
>>98194802>from>not part ofspic detected
>>98194807>spicNo. Wasp with a quarter Sicilian. So close enough but in the area for 200+ years
>>98194775Thank you for the compliment
>>98194771All aliens are bad. Just because they are peaceful now doesn't mean they will stay that way. We learned this the hard way during the Age of Strife. There is literally nothing immoral about killing aliens.
>>98194810I'm like a bloodhound but it's sniffing out people larping as whitehave some self respect spic
>>98194759i mean people could poke holes in the properness but it's not as though it's gibberish or untintelligible or unconveying of anythingjust highly condensed
>>98194820This is what's so funny about peep getting triggered by it on here. It's such a nothingburger
How come out of all the side games for 40k, Kill Team is the most popular? Unless I'm wrong and Horus Heresy is?
>>98194816All mon-keigh are bad. Just because they are useful pawns now doesn't mean they'll stay that way. We always knew this. There is literally nothing immoral about culling mon-keigh.
>>98194774>>there exist texts in their rulebooks>Saar.This is grammatically sound albeit obscure and archaic
>>98194835>Gee why is the game that uses the exact same models as 40k more popular than the ones that have incompatible models or are entirely different scales
>Apparently some GW stores has more people that play AoS over 40k and vice versaWould seeing someone play Middle Earth table top at a store be more rare than an Iron Hands player?
>>98194835Is it? I seem to see people praise spearhead on occasion, but only bitch and whine about kill team
>>98194845I thought Spearhead was just the AoS equivalent of a Combat Patrol
>>98194835I've never seen anyone actually play kill team since 8th edition. From the new version onward it's just been people buying the kits to use in 40k because they're cross compatible.
>>98194858It appears to be, but people seem to like it.
starting to look like a real bird now. >all the missiles and guns are magnetized >ive started designing my custom nose made from plasticard>will be doing the attack wing magnetization tomorrow>probably some gap filling with miliput too>then its small stuff, landing gear, thrusters, some more custom parts taken from the blackstar etc
>>98194876That a thunderhawk? I thought they were thiccer than that. Looking good either way though, can't wait to see it painted up.
>>98194880might be thinking of the old school chonker ones they'd sometimes show in white dwarf. the 2022 release is pretty sleek compared to the ancient version.
What two armies on the table conveys this music?https://youtu.be/oyAP6PpAzK8?is=wS513LRp4-N0D0XuHard mode:>They can't both be the same
>>98194835Because KT actually has good rules.
>>98194858It is, but it's actually good on its own.
>>98194858>>98194875It is like Combat Patrol but it's actually balanced and treated like a separate game.
>>98192257>Blood Ravens have 3 video games about them>Don't even get a unique detachment, never mind unique units???
>>98194213For the same reason that the reactive disembark in FAF costs 1CP and in BoF it costs 2, and the detachment rule has double the range in FAF: fuck you, you aren't Marines.It's actually insane that this is considered a weak detachment for Marines, but I guess they do have 22 of the damn things. They can pair it with the new Librarian detachment for S6AP2 flamers now, by the way.
>>98194968>kleptomaniacs>coming up with anything novel
Changes that should be made for each army:>Space Marines: No more primarch returns. You can't undo Robby and Lion, but just stop making the faction about power levels.>Grey Knights, Deathwatch, Imperial Knights, Imperial Agents, Chaos Knights, Chaos Daemons, Harlequins: Make them allied units for any Imperial/Chaos/Eldar army to take, but not armies on their own.>Adepta Sororitas: Add more 'obvious magic faith things that totally aren't Warp magic,' like Celestine.>Imperial Guard: Replace old shitty models (Catachan).>Adeptus Custodes: Just remove them entirely, they should just be a lore thing.>Tau: Either add more allied race units to emphasize the 'alliance of many races' element, or just remove the handful that already exist, they're in an awkward middle ground.>Orks: Remove all of the 'gross animal' elements and Snakebites; they should just be about Mad Max technology.>Eldar: Just make Exodites a thing, everyone wants them.>Dark Eldar: Need a complete refresh on all of their models.>Votann: Emphasize the rune magic psykers and 'repurposed mining equipment' elements.>Tyranids: No changes.>Genestealer Cults: Of every army, this is the one I buy the least as being able to fight a professional army like the Tau or Guard, but I can't think of how to fix this.
>>98194985i think GSCs were a bit of a misstep to actually add as a full force. the idea of one coming to the point where it starts militarily softening up a world for a tyranid tendril is really cool and compelling but imo belongs as setting and set-dressing as opposed to being represented outrightbros highest aspirations are to be giddily dragged into a fucking digestion pool lmao
>>98194985what about necrons
9 more days anons.
>>98194985>buy the least as being able to fight a professional army like the Tau or GuardI think they'd be pretty well suited for Tau and Guard, as both are clearly used to large-scale conventional warfare and the GSC are the 40k equivalent to communist guerillas that refuse to commit to big fight until they have a decisive advantage. The worst matchup for Genestealers lore-wise is probably Eldar, because they have the best odds of stopping the infestation before it even begins.
>>98194756>>98194459>>98194701>>98194750it's a tumblr/twitter thing, you usually hear it from women who used to be hot in 2016 but are now like 35
>>98194836but eldar generalyl believe a single eldar life is worth a billion humans anyway.
I think Nid lore needs an overhaul, they made the hive fleets way too ridiculous and made the rest of the universe empty as a result. I know army lore is basically propaganda but nids are inevitable as it stands now.Then the rewrite can maybe hook GSC into the army in a way that makes more sense
>>98194818italians are not mexicans
>>98195027>a single drop of jew-, sorry, eldar blood is more precious the lives of every goy-, sorry, mon-keigh in existence
>>98194985>>Dark Eldar: Need a complete refresh on all of their models.this is not the case, what the case is bring back the squatted ones in plastic+tantalus.
>>98195028>nids are inevitableNo because necrons will science some shit up and then fall to the chaos god of necrons.
>>98195037incorrect. necrons have no souls thus cannot generate ripples in the warp.
>>98195007Silent King should have remained mysterious and on the powerlevel of C'tan, deceiver should not get a refresh. Implication is that the silent king is the deceiver and put everything that has occurred in motion for its own nefarious goals, including the C'tan in the plot. Imotekh ahtes the Silent King because he suspects the truth and wants his people to be free.
I'm dusting off my orks and finally committing to painting a 40k army for the new edition, but man some of the rules design drives me nutty.Like why are there so many fucking stratagems when CP is as limited as it is? Do they just throw shit at the wall to see what sticks?
>>98195037only a matter of time before the hive mind learns to metabolize living metal ;^3
>>98195041until that one deathmark got Lucius'd.
>>98195044and eat demonsbut then the demons will learn how to corrupt genestealers or something
>>98195054were there any susceptibility it would be in isolated genestealerschaos malds and seethes and shits itself in terror at the great impenetrable, cold, quiet stillness that tyranid overconsciousness amounts to
>>98195063except for that time when it didn't work and chaos was beating them because no food
>>98195075t'was but the most modest of scouting exertions repelled ;^)inherently the most dependent upon on-site procurement of luscious biomassgod forbid none is to be found what a blunder however minor
want zoats for hive fleet colossus but GW only makes the one model that costs 40 bucks and is always out of stock.
