I remember him saying that superhero rpg's don't work because everyone will just want to play batman or superman and not the bubblegum gentleman or something

>Beware women for they come from hell

Yes for all his flaws he was on the money

>>98198291
Is he still alive? I know he was doing pretty poorly like 15 years ago.

>>98198291
I would have to rewatch it, since it's been a while. But, probably. Playing ttrpgs really hasn't changed, you might get some different types of players, but otherwise it's still the same and the same advice should still hold.

>>98198349
IIRC worse. There were a few threads a while ago about his court hearings I think and he lost his house.

>>98198358
I'm gonna guess he lost his house due to not paying the mortgage but why did he go to court?

>>98198371
bankrupcy or something else financial I think? Losing the house was tied to it. The main thing I remember was an anon posting what the judge said at the ruling and that basically the counter monkey guy failed to do anything or improve the situation at every moment and so he was fucked.

>>98198349
Last I heard he became an alcoholic
Sad. Feels like staring into the abyss.

>>98198349
I stopped caring when he made a twitter for his dog, then when Trump won the first time he said some shit to get banned on his own twitter, so then he started using the dog's twitter to continue his insane tirade.

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Spoony's stories are very interesting, but he seems like an asshole to play with,and an even bigger asshole as a DM. Zero chill, extreme rules lawyer, treats DMing as combative/competitive and refuses to let slights go.

>>98198349
Pretty sure he's still a neet living in his brother's basement.

Wild to think this dude was not only successful at the beginning of Youtube, but also the beginning of Patreon. He was clearing $5,000 USD a month just in the first month and he threw it away. BPD is a hell of a thing.

>>98198578
He could still easily make a living from streaming if he wasn't insane.

>>98198578
>>98198581
I genuinely think his decline to madness, when analyzed, might be a good guide in what not to do as an e-celeb and help promote mental health.

LEAPING WIZARDS LEAPING WIZARDS

>>98198563
A product of the environment in which he gamed. Be glad you game now, worst we have to deal with now is, X-Cards, WotC being retarded and ACKSfags.

>>98198563
Most of it was the self-aggrandizing "and then everyone clapped" shit he peppered his videos with, but that one Star Wars story really is just him being a total asshole.

>>98198563
A lot of them must be embellished. There's no way he sat with his group for an hour+ checking the rulebooks to see if Minotaurs could naturally navigate mazes to escape being mazed by TLoP.

>>98198640
He seems like exactly the sort of obsessive rules lawyer who would demand to do that. And it was way easier for GMs to get away with that sort of retarded shit before VTTs made it so you can always find a better game no matter how barren the scene is where you live.

>>98198563
His vampire the masquerade story is the definition of "and then everyone clapped" except they all raged and him and kicked him out. What happened is they probably said "yeah no" and he left, trying to concoct a story in his head where he wasn't the weirdo autismo ruining people's good time.

>>98198291
From memory, they don't, full of inaccuracies about the lore, setting, or character builds. Take them more as exaggerated story telling than real stories, he has some common sense DM pointers but I really don't agree with the whole "If the party misbehaves threaten them or crush their cock in!" there's a lot better ways not to punish the party without being a huge dick because your friend's don't appreciate that your story like its Tolkien.

>>98198640
>There's no way he sat with his group for an hour+ checking the rulebooks to see if Minotaurs could naturally navigate mazes
Funny how you pick the most accurate part, back in the day arguing about rules was half the game, it was literally like two monks arguing about theology except we were way less useful to society.

>>98198652
>trying to concoct a story in his head where he wasn't the weirdo autismo ruining people's good time.
They tortured his character, dude.

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>>98198652
He says that in the video that they didn't consider it canon, but we are hearing his side/canon of the story. But yeah, I would have just left if they were being dicks and then made up that story later to sound cool, because that's basically the same thing with half the work.
Also larping as a vampire is lame as fuck.
>>98198717
They tortured his character as well as basically say "I know we invited you into the game but you aren't allowed to join the 'main character party' and you basically have to be an NPC". Which is funny because, when Spoony found out his vampire was actually at odds with the majority of the vampires in the setting, they basically did what he would have most likely done to a player in one of his own campaigns for whatever reason.
>>98198719
Daily reminder that Lord Kat is a tranny now.

>>98198652
>>98198717
>>98198728
Kind of agree that Vampire the Masquerade had a reputation of being a bunch of unbearable cunts. Some friends of mine went back in college and what they had to say was similar in that the establish players were just shitty to everyone new so there was very little to do as a new player and a lot of the players were just fappy.

desu the the thieves world story makes me think Spoony would be a decent DM.

>>98198719
>2:15: Windows 7 task bar
I can't believe I have nostalgia for Win7 because that was a time where it worked relatively well.

>>98198749
He has dnd games you can watch, he is actually a pretty good DM when he isn't being a tard. I also don't like his style because I'm more free-form/simulationist and he seems to be more on the Narrative side of things.

>>98198758
I still use windows 7 to this day
It sucks

>>98198769
I use Linux now after Windows tried to shove all the AI shit down Win10 when not enough people were adopting Win11.
If I could surf the internet safely and use modern programs with XP I'd go back to that, but Windows 7 was the start of the decline, yeah. Was still better than 10, and I bet your notepad or adobe pdf reader doesn't crash like it does on 11.

>>98198762
Do you have a recommendation?

>>98198785
A lot of them are lost to time or are crazy fragmented because no one archived them, but his Dethklok campaign is probably not only the longest campagin he ran, but its also the most complete and still on youtube if you search Spoony Dethklok or Spoony DnD.
I remember another DnD campaign and maybe a WoD campaign but I can't remember the names of them to save my life.

>Deathklok was almost 16 years ago
Fuck... I'm old...

>>98198814
Based 35 year old, anon.

>>98198814
If you haven't seen it, the movie is a very nice good-bye and deth album 4 is great.

I remember him losing his mind over cantrips. He was really upset about poison spray being instantaneous and doing d12 damage.

>>98198783
I really need to switch, but I'm so damn computer illiterate. Can't even figure out how to install Mint.

>>98198957
perfect time to learn.

He was right about how you should never get on the fucking boat and I think he was drunk for that episode

>>98198291
ah yes, one of the OG e-celebs, cancer way ahead of its time

>>98198957
It's super easy, anon. I made the switch and it was worth it. Any issue I run into because of my retardedation I just ask an AI and it always has the answer. I even have that running locally now so tech billionaires can't see how stupid I am.

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>>98198820
I was luckt enough to see dethklok live last month in denver

>>98198291
Yes, most of the old stuff still holds up. It's too bad what happened to him. Went absolutely over the edge, ate shit for his "friends", and then simped for more.

>>98199038
You remember those "white people" memes back then and for the most part it was just wypipo being lame? But there was darker side of like wypipo being, well, weird. I always thought the tgwtg crew perfectly encapsulated all that weirdness only whites seemed to have. Now they just call it the tism but back then it seemed like being a weirdo wasnt... ah but look at me rambling. Forget i said anything

>>98199612
Around whites, internet fights

>>98198728
>Daily reminder that Lord Kat is a tranny now.
It seems his entire friend circle slowly went off the deep end, and he kept trying to hold on to them until they dragged him down and all he tried to do was remain friends with them, but they were genuine pieces of shit and he was desperate for friends, so he was stuck in a lose/lose scenario where he should've just told them to fuck off.

Part of me is genuinely sorry for him, but there's also a part of me that feels like he deserved it for basically begging for forgiveness despite having done nothing wrong and then accepting them spitting in his mouth.

>>98198904
Reasonable. It's fucking stupid. Poison damage should not be instant and infinite cantrips never made narrative sense.

>>98199683
>infinite cantrips never made narrative sense
Makes more narrative sense than a wizard with a sling. They really could have just given Wizard a single ranged d4 cantrip that was just arcane energy and called it a day. It'd have been the same as using a sling but magic flavored.

>>98199710
>Makes more narrative sense than a wizard with a sling.
A sling is a pretty simple weapon. Children use it. It's not that far fetched that wizard could use one too.

>>98199786
>Children use it
Exactly. Its lame as fuck for someone who commands secrets of the arcane to have to resort to slinging a stone at someone.

>>98199906
Anon, wizards are degenerate academics not superheroes. When in their element they may shake the very foundations of the world but most of the time an overgrown 13 year old can take them in a fight.

>>98199710
>Makes more narrative sense than a wizard with a sling.
No. Anyone can learn to use a fucking sling.
>They really could have just given Wizard a single ranged d4 cantrip that was just arcane energy and called it a day.
No, you fucking retard, because that is not how magic fucking works, and if it was, there'd be no fucking reason to limit anything at all. You cannot have it both ways.
>It'd have been the same as using a sling but magic flavored.
Mechanically? Yes.
Narratively? No.
This is not a hard conceptual difference to grasp. If you fail, you literally have sub-90 IQ.

>>98199683
Who the fuck is playing DnD for "narrative sense"? It's always been the system best suited for the GM creating dungeons to fucm you up the ass with. It's not even good at combat. The main advantage it has is the d20 ensures you'll always get fucked by SOME traps, skill point rules mean you'll never have enough bonus to avoid a trap fuckening, and magic items being your only serious form of progression means the players will brave the traps to find the stupid things.

It's not a system for narrative. NEVER has been.

>>98198728
The vampire one I actually do believe. A lot of bad LARP players go on power trips because they're influential either IC, or in the small pond that is the system generally. However, a number of them forget that they aren't necessarily all that out of character and that people can engage with the game in ways they didn't expect.

E.G:
> Character in a system with a valuable magic item.
> Generally items have to be carried to have an effect but this one didn't.
> Thief guild want item
> Absurdly elaborate ploy to drop my character, 5+ on one with deniable stooges, support from senior system GMs, etc.
> Not one of them considered the character simply wouldn't be carrying the item on him or bothered to check whether he had it ahead of time.

That ended in a similar way, with a senior GM flat out instructing me not to use the knowledge of who had attacked me to hit them back, he and everyone else seemed affronted at the whole thing because on paper they had all the power and should have 100% won but wasted a bunch of time and resources for nothing. I think he'd have flat out called me a cheater if I hadn't said to another GM ahead of time "By the way, I'm not carrying item X today." to cover myself.

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i still watch some of spoonys videos every week
been around 15 years since i last played a tabletop rpg but i love listening him talk about them

>>98198291
He was destroyed by his on neurosis, which is a terrible shame because he was a head and shoulders better than any of the gaming-related Ecelebs we have now. Nothing that has been done on youtube since the end of the spoony experiment can even hold a candle to Counter Monkey.

>>98198291
I've been on a rewatch of Counter Monkey lately. Spoony is surprisingly more of a grognard than I would have thought. His hate for 3e is very funny to me (especially with his love of Pathfinder), as he talks about it like how grogs talk about 5e.
I enjoy his videos, but it is funny what has and hasn't aged poorly and just how different a lot of his taste is from modern RPG culture. Like preferring Shadow Run's system to Cyberpunk or still thinking of Call of Cthulhu as a character meat grinder.

Can any of you confirm if the RPGAA or whatever they were called were really that gay about PCs dying

>>98200641
It's easy to imagine they would be. A lot of people don't really use their forebrains to play roleplaying games and prefer to be led around by the nose, by their GM. The GM says "go here, do this quest, slay this monster," and they do all that without having their own independent ideas, and therefore they aren't responsible for anything that's happening.

Those modules where the enemies can't win are created because the fact is, most players can't win encounters. They always walk dick-first into whatever the GM suggests without their cups on.

If you don't baby mode the average game the average player will die and never level up. Then they get frustrated and quit playing.

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>>98200930
>If you don't baby mode the average game the average player will die and never level up. Then they get frustrated and quit playing.
average player most likely gets to play only few times every year unless they have a solid old friend group to play with and they get bummed out if they lose
just like noah said in his video

>>98200965
Well you can only play those "bring your own character" games at the conventions that run them, so for those things you can only play a few times per year at best and also have to buy event tickets.

But either way, the problem is, most people don't roleplay to come up with cunning ideas or to do heroics. I've GMed for a lot of groups over the years. Most people are just basic office workers looking to do a 9-5 but in brightly colored armor and their daring imagination only permits them to live in a house on wheels, that doesn't register to them as a Winnebago because it's magical and pulled by small dragons or whatever.

When lack of initiative, lack of imagination, and the d20 system collide, you can't just have wizards casting Sleep. You never know when the GM will roll a 20 and the scales tip against the players, like in Noah's story. You need encounters so soft they cannot beat the players.

Year of the Spoon!

>>98200641
They do everything in their power to not let you die, yes.
>>98200965
First character death is almost always upsetting on some level, for some people that is way too much, but once your first character dies it becomes way less spooky.
I'm not a fan of fudging die rolls, nor hiding dice rolls. This is why we meet up and play, to see what happens. If a player makes a stupid move that would go against common sense of that world, tell them, if they continue they do so at their own peril and sometimes players won't behave until they have a character death. Because they treat it like a sandbox with no repercussions. As long as its fair and the DM can be emotionally mature enough to let character's they or the party like die, same rules should be applied to the players.

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>>98201184
is the average player these days really just like spoony describes it

>>98201436
Kind of. Spoony seems like a pretty toxic GM but the average player thinks "system mastery" is all there is to a game and if you know the mechanics then it's GM who's wrong if you die.

It gets reinforced a lot. Like you're a toxic player if you follow your character's motives. Getting a group that can tell stories and take character deaths or major setbacks in stride takes a lot of curation, you don't get it normally. It's just that back in the old days you also got hardcore munchkins who kept the more normal players away because they were even more insufferable. That autistic dude who cannot fucking handle changes from his routine and who dominates whatever is going on. Now the aspie guy usually gets pushed away and you get mostly the office worker types who approach roleplaying kinda like they do with Skyrim - you go inna dungeon, kill the monsters, find loot, repeat until level twenty. The GM tries to create a story around and in spite of the average player.

Spoony did seem like a spiteful and vindictive DM, but I can't find myself actually disagreeing with him. I'm not gonna let you fucking win dude. The DM is not there to be walked all over, you know, these are ostensibly tales of high adventure and danger and a totally pushover encounter where you just run roughshod over the enemies is antithetical to that purpose. Like he said, that's what children expect out of the game.

>>98200183
>No, you fucking retard, because that is not how magic fucking works, and if it was, there'd be no fucking reason to limit anything at all. You cannot have it both ways.
Anon, that is how magic works because Magic is not real. You do understand this right? 5e says that magic works this way so magic works this way.
>Narratively? No.
Narratively? Yes. Magic Missile is a level 1 spell, you can easy justify it in narrative by saying this "Magic dart" cantrip is the building block of the spell. That the reason why magic missile takes a spell slot is because it does much more than this dart in that it doesn't miss and hits multiple enemies. The only reason you can and spoony can't accept the cantrips is because it's no the same as earlier additions. "boohoo wizards should only have one spell and then just be a fucking loser when they use that one spell". It's just biases on your part. It's one thing to not like it, it's another to say it just doesn't make sense.

>>98198291
"Never get on the boat" lives rent free in my head

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>>98198349
>Is he still alive? I know he was doing pretty poorly like 15 years ago.
He was on the very first wave of Patreon. While he certainly would have crashed out due to his manic-depressive manchild personality, it accelerated because he had a stretch goal of "make a movie". When his Patreon immediately hit that goal he had a meltie realizing he could never do it. The irony is his fans absolutely, 100% did not want a movie from this Reddit personification and they knew it would suck. They simply wanted more of the slop he was already creating.

All he would have needed is someone in his life telling him "Just make a vid saying you realize a movie is beyond your ability and will focus on Mystery Theatre 3000 pablum." The fans would have been completely fine with it.

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>>98198349
>>98202116
spoony has been frequenting this youtube channel called conversations with curtis
its the main character from that game phantasmagoria 2 and he threw him a bone few years back to get noah into streaming again
lasted for nearly 2 years now hes in the rut again sadly
last i heard apparently sold all his rpg collections too to pay the rent

i miss spoony

>>98202196
Let's play a game, one of these women is a tranny, do you know which one it is?

>>98200458
He looks good here, beautiful eyes. I remember absolutely loving counter monkey and it was my introduction to Van Canto to Blind Guardian

>>98198291
which game?

>>98198717
good

>>98199683
How do you figure?

>>98200183
Magic works however you imagine it does, actually. It's not real.

>>98199683
>infinite cantrips never made narrative sense.
low complexity spells being non-vancian makes plenty of sense

>>98202235
spoony was my motivation to start learning runequest
i used all his tricks and and they were all golden

>>98198291
I don't watch irrelevant e-celebs.

>>98202653
You only watch relevant e-celebs huh?

>>98202600
Depends on the setting, cantrips make low magic settings impossible and if they aren't so fatiguing that anyone can cast them constantly, then why isn't it taught to everyone? You could say that there is a guild controlling it to prevent that exact problem, but then why aren't all the nobles and the King using them? Why aren't they considered a status symbol that you are privileged enough to know and use them? Unless magic is genetic where you have the ability to cast or you don't. Then what happens to people who can cast but don't know? Are they taken away to towers like in Dragon Age? Do they just innately learn it like the force in Star Wars? Or can they never cast until there is a certain McGuffin activation or ritual made?
If you're a lore nerd or want to make your own fantasy universe that is consistent its very annoying, especially when some of the cantrips have crazy good utility if you have a spellcaster who is witty.

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>>98198799
Here's a playlist with all the surviving Dethklok campaign material. Most of it has the video still, though some only have audio due to the video being lost to time.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRNmnjnA6iDNULYLBP5d3GOkq8URj96Uy

>>98202600
>>98202733
They should've just made cantrips vancian but you get a crazy amount of them.
Like 8-10 cantrips per level amount of crazy. That way low level wizards still have some form of ammunition to care about but high level wizards simply start ignoring it.
But I'm no game designer and I do think most people that like or dislike cantrips would just find this middle ground unsatisfying.

>>98202719
All e-celebs are irrelevant.

>>98202733
>but then why aren't all the nobles and the King using them?
Same reason why aren't nobles cooking their own meals or sewing their own clothes - they may know how to, but it would be beneath them to actually do it, that's what all those servant are for.
It would make perfect sense for nobility to be all spellcasters. And when they are it also makes sense to NOT flaunt their powers openly - because in the world of courtly intrigue and assassination plots it's better to leave any potential opposition guessing how powerful your really are.

>>98203514
>They should've just made cantrips vancian but you get a crazy amount of them.
Alternatively, it's not a single use fire-and-forget spell slot, but spell slot that wears down with use - meaning the first few casts (say, a number equal to character level) are guaranteed to work, and every cast beyond that is overexerting and has increasing chance of failure.

I remember him telling a story of how his party was at a dinner and he just casually crushed some glass and took it with him. Then when the confrontation with the big bad came he took out his crushed glass and tossed it in his eyes, giving the enemy disadvantage and to my young child brain this was the coolest shit.

>>98198597
don't promise people something you have no idea how to provide. I mean, a fucking Spoony movie, he had no chance.

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>>98202214
Let's play another game. One of these girls had a massive crush on Spoony, guess which one.

>>98202733
Being a wizard takes like a decade of schooling, minimum. Not everyone has the talent to make it all the way through the process (or the money, and some get ill or bereaved midway through), and you can't cast infinite cantrips as half-a-wizard. Nobles might commonly choose wizard school for their kids, but they might just as well chose a knightly order or cleric school or straight up "Evil Vizier College of Financial Services."
That all being said, if you're using feats in 5e maybe you could adapt one of the 3.5e feats that gave you access to a cantrip regardless of class. Sort of a "I went to night school to learn Fire Bolt" thing.
As for "it makes it impossible to have a low magic game" the Wizard class already makes that impossible.

>>98203514
Spells don't need to be finite at all. You can just balance them relative to the other options in the game.

>>98204572
There's already a 5e feat that gives you 2 cantrips and 1st level spell with a single slot.

>>98202196
I miss him too and watch him steam the rare times he does it still.

>>98198291
Who?

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>>98204877
Yeah, perfect. Problem solved.

>>98205154
>rnate instead of ornate
>answizardly instead of a wizardly
Don't know if AI or person...

>>98205208
Dyslexic human, I think. File says I downloaded it in 2022 and it was old then.