Pet Squig Edition>Community Links:https://www.warhammer-community.com/https://www.unitcrunch.comhttps://www.newrecruit.euhttps://wahapedia.ruhttps://40k.gallery/>3rd Party Models Pastebin:https://pastebin.com/Q33bkBUh>Pre 10th Torrent:Info hash: d91d8b9daa9c5dc9105fc0ec09812cbc17a752b5>10th/11th Edition Ruleshttps://gofile.io/d/9LvQTLhttps://mega.nz/folder/Em0Rmb7I#4GR-B7y4cu5nCB5QziXM4A>Alternative rules:https://onepagerules.com/https://www.starbreach.com/homehttps://nolimitswargames.wordpress.com/>How to Make Wargames Terrain (2e 2003)https://gofile.io/d/s99zDV>Inferno! Magazine complete collection (1997-2004)https://archive.org/download/Inferno30/Inferno30_archive.torrent>Warhammer Monthly complete collection (1989-2004)https://archive.org/download/WarhammerMonthly0502001BlackLibrary62pminutemenAbaddonblackLibrary/WarhammerMonthly0502001BlackLibrary62pminutemenAbaddonblackLibrary_archive.torrent>Games Workshop/Citadel Miniatures painting guides (1989-2016)https://archive.org/download/games-workshop-painting-guides/games-workshop-painting-guides_archive.torrent>Previous Thread:>>98195729>thread question:would you own a squig if they were real?
Can one juggle a job, family, TTRPG weekly, and Warhammer 40k all at the same time?
>TQI would have to remove its teeth, but it does seem like it would make for an okay toilet.
I like orks :D
>niggerific thread ends with niggerific early new threadI LIKE ORCS XDDDD I MEAN ORKKS >:DDDD
not a big fan of orks..
Surely chaos will be in the 12th edition starter box right
why is the red corsairs raiders kit so expensive, it's just 5 dudes. this is some next level jewry from james workstein. is there a shitload of extra bits in there or something?
"This”, Magnus said, empyric energies stirring as they gathered around his levelled glaive, “is what true power looks like.”“I see no power here”, said Guilliman, shaking his head in dismay. “I see corruption, and enslavement to monsters that are worshipped as gods.”“On that, Roboute,” Magnus laughed, sparing a glance at the Loyalists fighting nearby, “perhaps we can finally agree.”
What do you plan on buying next, /40kg/? Starting a Tau army and building and painting my Imperial Knights. After that I'll probably finish my Grey Knights and Thousand Sons stuff.
>>98199010We both know you aren't going to finish the army.
I'll ask againI read a black library story once, a few CSM went to abaddons ship and spoke to him, one was def khorne/we, and it was well writtenanyone know which book?
>>98198992there ain’t nothing wrong with orks.
>>98199010i am waiting to start 11th so i can see what to pad my army with, i only bought what i thought looked cool and i am pretty sure it will mean my first thousand points will all die very easily
>>98199004>>98199004>not even 2 points per model in CSM 40keks deserve this shit honestly. I used to shake my head at 40k prices but consoomers deserve to get scammed at this point
>>98198965Didn't there use to be a link to all the white dwarfs? I need to find everything I can on making Eldar terrain
>>98199015I plan to!>>98199025Not a bad idea. What army did you pick, Anon?
>>98199018this?
>>98199010Right now I've got most everything I want model wise sitting in the backlog, but if I had to think long term>Armageddon Box arrives next week>More Orks to build up the Ork half of the box (Leaning towards Dread Mob with Meks and Killa Kans)>More HIppogriffs when they go on sale separately>A Defiler for my CSM once the hype for them dies down >Some Shroud Runners for my Eldar since it seems like I'm probably gonna slap the Ranger detachment onto my Spirit Conclave list that's already running Rangers and Jetbikes already.
>>98199018Black Legion by Aaron Dembski-Bowden. It's the one where ADB's habit of putting a waifu in every one of his books is at its most egregious. Khayon has a waifu demon dog, a waifu deldar scourge, and machine spirit waifu running his ship.
>>98199061yeah I think that's it>>98199070thanks also anon
>>98199018Nta but is there a whoreussy book that's good for deciding if you want to read more? One that's not Know No Fear because that one sucked shit through a straw
>>98199077I've listened to heaps and that talon of Horus one was the only decent one, some -the one where NH fights the lion, is so fucking bad it's amazing
>>98199051SoB, here's the shelf so fari think maybe swapping me zepyrim with seraphim for my canoness will be the next box, i will use the swords in a 10 stack at 2000 pointsmaybe swap the sacresants with 2 squads of 3 flagellants because their job is to just die to enemy meleei will have to see in one week
>>98198992I don't think it is, mate.
>ALPHARIUS - I CALL THE POWER OF THE DRAGON>OMEGON- LOOKS LIKE THE SHOW'S OVER YOU EVIL WIZARDhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZmklbhZfbQ
When are the starter sets coming out?these are the best deals
>>98199010norn kit probably
>>98199123Are they gonna be good deals this time? Do we know the content and prices? I'm assuming you're talking about the ones that aren't the Armageddon launch box.
Let Chaos Idols take this thread!
>>98199133Supposed leaked images show it being a box with just space marines and another box with just orks as opposed to prior starting boxes being three different tiers of two factions.
I'm going through a whole Arthurian phase at the moment, are there any factions that are knightly, with cavalry, lances ,shields and the like? I know there's imperial knights but you know what I mean
>>98199162too noblebright
>>98199162dark angels
>>98199162Dark Angels and Black Templars are the space knights of their faction
>>98199159I hope the also do the combined ones
>>98196831Late but I agree
>>98199133Always are, still kicking myself for not getting the necron one with 3 outriders for $100aud
>>98199162Dark angels.
Space Marines are kino, it's just Custodes and the Asstarts that are boring
>>98199061>well-writtenCan't be this.
>>98199162Dark Angels.The Lion is a good knight. He went to the beach that makes people old
>>98199195Cute dresses
>Zoats get retconned from being the slave diplomats for the Tyranids in the hopes they are spared (they are just eaten last) >To being the diplomats for Dark Eldar in the hopes they are spared (they get taken and tortured last or if they fail)Thought on this 'fix'. I like the idea of zoats being rare/solotary enslaved/forced diplomats for a greater power
>>98199200by well I mean readable, the 1% of BL stuff
Every faction is stupid.>Guard: "Launch another frontal assault.">Admech: "The washing machine came unplugged? This will take five weeks and 200 candles to fix.">Adeptus Custodes: "It takes as much work to create one of me as it does to train 10 million Guardsmen, and I am much less useful than 10 million Guardsmen.">Imperial Knights: "I am literally just Don Quixote.">Space Marines: "This book written 10000 years ago contains all the wisdom I will ever need.">Blood Angels: "My Primarch died 10000 years ago? I'm sad.">Space Wolves: "Wolf-Brother Wolf Wolfersson wolfed down the wolf leg while scanning the Wolf Fields for more xenos.">Dark Angels: "Someone hesitated to stay with the Emperor 10000 years ago? This dishonor can never be erased.">Black Templars: "They defeated our first four frontal assaults? They'll never see the fifth one coming.">Deathwatch: "Fucking xenos.">Grey Knights: "Did that Guardsman see a daemon from 10 miles away? Kill him immediately for possible daemonic corruption.">Sisters: "I am literally immune to logic and reason.">Chaos Space Marines: "I am angry that the Emperor was a dick 10000 years ago, let's make the galaxy worse for everyone, including ourselves">Chaos Knights: "I don't even know why I'm doing this.">Chaos Daemons: "I'm just evil.">Necrons: "Let's sell our souls to the C'tan, this seems very reasonable.">Eldar: "I just got back from lying to humans. By the way, why do humans never trust us?">Dark Eldar: "Soulstones? Nah.">Exodites: "Living in the woods will save us from Rape Satan.">Harlequins: "Slaanesh can't get me if I know Shakespeare!">Genestealer Cults: "Surely the Great Devourer will take us aboard their spaceships to Space Heaven once they arrive.">Tau: "I, Ethereal Bill, am extremely trustworthy. Daemons are just a type of alien, and magic isn't real.">Votann: "We invented AI gods, but we didn't include a way to have firmware updates."Only Orks and Tyranids act reasonably given their goals.
finished* the dreadnought when i find my micron pens i'll scribble something on the banners
WIP Catachans. I'll probably finish these guys on sunday
>>98199233ope
>>98199232>>Chaos Space Marines: "I am angry that the Emperor was a dick 10000 years ago, let's make the galaxy worse for everyone, including ourselves">>Chaos Knights: "I don't even know why I'm doing this."Can be motivated as wanting freedom from the Imperium, not allowed back in so are forced to go deeper into chaos worship.
>>98199089Tell us how your first game goes, good luck anon.
>>98199235very cleanthe decals almost look photoshopped on, you should hit them with something
>>98199227Nah, just leave them as a mostly extinct minor xenos race who were briefly enslaved by the nids during the early behemoth invasion and used in a similar vanguard role like the genestealers and their cults. Obviously all of the enslaved Zoats are dead now with only a few that escaped the Tyranids like the Archivist still around. That's plenty enough lore. They don't need to be a regular unit.
>>98199232>"I just got back from lying to humans. By the way, why do humans never trust us?"Why is this the go-to complaint about Eldar? What are some actual instance in lore where Eldar deceive the Imperium? Most encounters seem to be a pretty straightforward "get the fuck off my maiden world, or else" or genuine collaboration.
>>98199264The old Zoat lore is easily explained as genestealer zoat hybrids.
>>98199264>used in a similar vanguard role like the genestealers and their cultsGuess GW could have them worrk for GSC if they wanted to have them work for Tyranids again. >Obviously all of the enslaved Zoats are dead now with only a few that escaped the Tyranids like the Archivist No idea that guy hard that lore, cool. Still I think tyranids having slaves got hard retconned along with the origin story of all 40k squigs being partially asborded greenskins freed from the tyranids by a waagh. Also I think nids straight up had mindcontrolled orks and other slave races fighting for them. They were very different from their inception to now
>>98199198>CustodesI mean that's on GW as well. They still refuse to give them anything more than Shield-Captains and Blade Champions as HQs.
>>98199279Original Tyranids were a lot scarier and more disgusting. They were like The Thing meets All Tomorrows.
The constant sanitization of the setting is making me want to abandon it entirely. It's clear the people who made it and actually gave a shit have long ago left GW, and now they'll do whatever they can to smooth out any grimdarkness that'll actually be confronting, and make it as Marvel as possible
>last thread questionI imagine literally everyone and everything as cute girls already
>>98199283They still are, the appearance/style has just been unified. The newest stuff has tried to incorporate a modern interpretation of the old style, with the best example being the 10e Screamer Killer.
>>98199295do you have anything specific you are crying about or is it just the usual primaris nonsense
>>98199301The new stuff is alright but it's got nothing on the original Tyranids creativity and body horror. Even the image you posted is way more interesting than modern Tyranids, it's got the visible organs in the chest, the dick beak, the weird muscle sinews connecting the thighs to the calves, the combination of scaly parts and smooth segmented parts, the plates above the hooves looking like extra mutant hooves growing out of its shin. Everything about it is disgusting and horrifying, the new warriors are so boring and safe and bland by comparison.And that's not even mentioning things like grabber-slashers, or the old lore where Tyranids didn't just grow new Tyranids from bio-mass gruel from digestion pools but literally implanted parasites into living people that mutated them INTO the tyranids so you became a horrifying monsters and still had a vague semblance of consciousness as you were puppeted around by the Hive Mind.All of that has been long forgotten and left behind.
>>98199308The setting is completely washed of all grimdarkness and this is entirely to increase profitsIt happens with everything for some reason, it's like companies just can't say "if you don't like it then don't engage with it", they must acquiesce to the braying mules that never gave a shit
>>98199316soooo you going to be specific?what do people just need to "not engage" withits like pulling teeth with you faggots why can't you ever just say what you want to fucking complain about you all have to act like passive aggresive 50 year old women
>>98199198>>98199280Maybe if they had more women…
>>98199299You will not be missed
Best edition.
>>98199162YesBretonnia
>>98199227>>98199264>behemothHIVEFLEETCOLOSSUS
>>98199319>be specific You’re a low iq subhuman. You and your discord boyfriend should carry out a suicide pactAlso: I like orks :D
>>98199337>just shitposting the entire timewater is wet
>>98199312>To make them more 'Tyraniddy' rather than 'Alienesque'. It had always been the intention to make them an expression of the Gribbly/B-movie alien Archetype, which the Alien, the Predator, the Thing, the Metaluna mutant are all expressions of rather than being archetypes themselves. I also wanted to play up the Reptilian/Dinosaur/Crustacean elements to get rid of the 'insect' tag, Tyranids should look like an amalgamation of lots of different species, you shouldn't be able to pigeonhole them easily [The original brief for them at the time of Rogue Trader was for 6-limbed, bio-engineered dinosaurs in space]Quoting Jes Goodwin himself in the old Warpshadow interview. He did the original screamer killer sculpt and a few of the 2e designs. The Thing was in mind as Tyranid inspiration both in the old days and also in the redesign: that is the rushed job for 3rd edition and more refined 4th ed designs that have mostly continued to this day. Goodwin is almost entirely responsible for how nids look today, but he was around deciding the creative direction from the start.
>>98199295>”make it as Marvel as possible”>they’ve very clearly decided to double back on any setting advancement by going for a “Chaos always wins” narrative by canceling all Loyalist Primarch plans and making sure Lion and Guilliman’s presence goes nowhereAnon are you an idiot?
>>98199337I want to talk about 40k, even to complain about 40k, where else do we get autistically specific if not 4chan's /40kg/you have nothing to say, but you keep trying to say it, it is very annoying
>>98199338>crying about shit posting>while doing nothing but attention whoringYou need to kill yourself faggot, all I want to do is like orks in peace and I see your faggy worthless posts. Can’t even be arsed to read it or what it’s responding to you type like such a blood soaked rag.
>>98199342>attention whoringaww the shitposter's just buckshotting buzzwords now
>>98199340Also to add to this we are never, ever getting Russ, Khan, Vulcan et al back. Expect Lorgar after Perturabo after which point we’re not getting anymore Primarchs and the setting gets End Times’d once people realize Space Marine 2 bamboozled them and leave (thank goodness)
>spam reply timego back to chatting with yourself I guess. I’ll continue liking orks :D
>>98199339They just made it all way too safe in the 3rd edition redesign. I appreciate the 4th ed stuff that fixed it somewhat but it's still really missing the edge that the Rogue Trader/2nd ed Tyranids had. I'll grant that 10th edition had some cool new stuff finally with the Neurogaunts (half beak half teeth), Barbgaunts (asymmetrical mutant limb), Neurotyrant, the faces on the Von ryan's Leapers, the extra tentacle coming out of the back of Deathleaper's head... lots of good stuff there. It's a step in the right direction. But they really need to keep that up when they get around to updating Warriors and stuff again.
Are these two boxes a good army start?
>>98199355no
>>98199355>Chaos Marines and Anti-Chaos MarinesNigga what are you doing
>>98199354safe is finenew Red Terror is beautiful
>>98199010I have about 4k points of sisters but the new detachment arrangement you can have is tempting me to buy a second squad of sacresants.I only have about 1000 points of guard and would eventually like to have a full second army, so I'm also tempted to snag something guard related, maybe they'll get a new box with armegeddon.
>>98199323Three of the new Custodian Guard and also Shield-Captain have some subtle boobplate. But it's there.
>>98199371>janitors have gynoWonder how much they’re getting payed
>>98199366He's okay, I'm not a fan of the eyes, or the very straight talons.
>>98199380Red Terror is obviously a girl
>>98199312All the stuff you listed except dick beaks is represented to some extent in contemporary tyranid models.
>>98199355>GKTechnically yes but that very box is out of print. The newer one is slightly worse but at least you don't have to deal with a baby carrier if you don't like those. Also, GK is overdue for a model update, if they even bother. On the other hand, one of the current kits makes like four different squad types and updated GK would probably make everything separate boxes.>IWIt's not awful for infantry. But some of the value is going towards the sprue that's pretty much all IW pauldrons, and you have nothing to use that Warpsmith with, and I believe it's a limited time box.
>>98199354>when they get around to updating WarriorsI don't think warriors will be particularly different from the two recent primesalthough if they give up on the queen crest they might end using some other 2nd edition designs like bracing the heavy weapons to the shoulder
>>98199354> missing the edge that the Rogue Trader/2nd ed Tyranids hadi dont think that stuff had edge at all. they were very saturday morning cartoon throwaway monsters. those designs were very unserious and goofy.the 3e redesign gave the faction some teeth
>>98199391
>>98199391best color scheme
>>98199235I strongly dislike your painting style.
>>98199400ntawhy
Should I buy a battle mat, or make a board? The board could have some texture to it or maybe even modular pieces but it would be harder to store and require more effort.
>>98199374I love the fact that there are now female custodes. They had some pretty humiliating losses like getting rekt by clowns and also abaddon.You can blame it all on women. The Custodes raped by a Jester? Woman. The Custodes bisected by Abaddon? Woman. The Custodes ripped in half by Angron? Women. The Custodes who died to Orks? Women.
>>98199408Going from years of mdf boards to my first battlemat I could never go back. Rolling dice on them is great, feels kinda like rolling dice on felt, just the right amount of friction. I would consider going double-sided since they're not cheap and you're unlikely to get more than one.
This whole "uh chud they aren't changing the setting you're being ridiculous" is shills defending GW right
>>98199431what are they changing anon?
>>98199404It's lazy. Armour panels are flat, large detailed sections are just basecoated, there's just one inconsistent layer of edge highlights, the lascannon is one colour, the searchlight OSL is decalmutant-tier, and the basing is texture paste slop. If this is the anon I think it is I know he's capable of better so I don't know why he's being so lazy with his fists.
>>98199440he's just shitpostinghe's upset his pro-tzaangor shitposting earlier got shut down when he couldn't post models so he jumped to lower hanging fruit
>>98199431Pretty much. Xey gloat on discord and shitpost here.>>98199453Pretty sure that was just (you) talking to yourself again in front of your discord boyfriend. Feel free to have him delete any posts that make you feel dysphoric.
whats are keywords to find kill team conversions on One page rules?wanna save up what i can so i can try and convert some friends over to war-gaming easier
>>98199445must suck to be constantly negative all the time. Anon was happy enough to share it and It looks good, Sharing models is because the anon's want to show of their labors of love, not because they want to be nit picked and seek random assholes opinions. So while your entitled to your opinion, i am also entitled to my own opinion of you being an asshole.
>>98199462>n-no uyep, it's still "him"
>>98198976>pedo artist
>>98199478you don't have to sell him to us 4chan already likes him
>>98199445Fucking destroyed him>>98199466Fucking get his ass
>>98199478>thinks that’s an issue for subhumans itt thread when they share space with troon shills all dayBe more specific.
The day tzeentch gets some kits that aren’t ass is the day I paint my tzaangors
>>98199499Why the fuck does GW push Tzaangors to the point that you can run them cross-universe like they’re Daemons but then make them fucking awful gameplay-wise on top of that?
>>98199503because they can cheap out on a sprue for tzeentch cultists that wayplease buy the 35 dollar chainsword and bolter upgrade sprue (not enough for even a full box of gors)
>>98199503Because you can’t sell rubrics because the sprue is firstborn coded, terminators aren’t something you want to double up on in a single box, the generic characters also can’t be split up because it’s a ton of sprues, and chaos spawn are honestly worse to include in a combo box than tzaangors.
>>98198965Which kill team box has the cooler guard models, Brood Brother or Blooded? Which would better proxy in as Krieg units?
>lgs I grew up with bought out by local chain boutique game shop company>original owner still there but hardly ever present>used to get discounts and early releases>now the new employees treat all the regulars like criminals>sells everything at GW MSRP>tables are restricted to card games unless you paywell fuck me
>>98199525>tables are restricted to card games unless you payI've seen this sentiment popping up in the last few years. Paying to use table space would be unthinkable 20 years ago.
Where in the 11th rules does it actually tell you how to figure out which models can make attacks with melee weapons, I can't find it anywhere and all the diagram examples are for shooting. Surely just being engaged with one model doesn't allow every dude in the unit to attack regardless of distance?
>>98199562It's not a new thing and I don't think it's unreasonable if they're putting some effort in. It helps maintain the facilities and means you don't have to feel as obligated to be buying stuff all the time.
>>98199010I reckon I need 3-4 months to finish up my WHFB Beastmen army and then I'll start Tau as well. I recently saw all the new aux units for the first time and couldn't resist getting them, they look fantastic.
>>98199015Whenever I am in danger of finishing an army I immidiatly buy a new box, because only God is perfect enough to finish His armies.
>>98199579Engagement range is 2 inches retard
>>98199603Where does it state that melee attack range = engagement range
I'm a 40k secondary (not for long, starting my first army next week) but so far I've been reading some lore from books, codexes and the internet and I HATE Space Wolves.Yes. I've said it. I HATE SPACE WOLVES. They are so fucking cringe, holy shit. Their fans seem even worse. Didn't know that was possible.
>>98199633space wolves are only barely tolerated because of their seniority in 40k's history, otherwise they're easily the worst imperial element and should have been chaos to be a remotely acceptable concept, and even then the emphasis on wolf shit would have been cringe.
>>98199633Bait aside, SW aren't that bad
>>98199520Brood brothers are just cadians with a Ln extra half sprue. Blooded are a unique kit with an extra half sprue.
>>98199707It says a lot when brood brothers look more fun
So which armies are looking good and which are looking bad for the start of 11th edition? Seems like pretty much everyone is complaining.
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>98199726To what end? Shoving them up your ass or having fun with the boys?
>>98199726As usual, the people who build their army based on what models they want to paint win again. They (Gigachads) are always the ultimate victor in every edition change.
>>98199070>a waifu deldar scourgeADB said that she isn't scourge
>>98199732Only way to win is to walk away completely
>>98199734>ADB said
>>98199732*unless said player wants to paint Imperial Agents
>>98199743True, the only way to deal with an abusive relationship is to walk away.
>>98199731>>98199732You always play to win. Fucking losers.
>>98199754Triggered the fuck out of you didn't I?
>>98199754And yet you lost this internet argument, curious...
We should have gatekept MtGfags they're on average the worst subhumans I've ever seen in gaming
>>98199707Fair point, but damn if some of the BB pieces look cool as hell. The homie with the shotgun and the little claw arm jutting out is great, shame there aren't more pieces like that.
>>98199734Oh, sorry. A random deldar who has undergone the same body modifications as a scourge but doesn't carry a big gun.. You pedantic fuck.
Do those green bits matter for the measurement and rules or are they only decorative and only the red area matters?
>>98199775>Oh, sorry.Apology accepted. Do better next time and educate yourself.
>>98199777Those are for vehicles to toe-in and get full vision through and over the template, fucking over everyone in a 24-in radius.Enjoy your continuing Defiler meta.
>>98199770>be at LGS playing ttrpg with the boys>doing some shit that doesn't involve one guy who's character isn't present>that guy gets up and leaves the table>comes back after buying a pack of magic cards>opens them at the table>proceeds to weave in his feelings about his new cards in between game talk for the rest of the eveningI swear to god, they're just as bad as those potheads who can't go 30 minutes without a smoke
>>98199777It's so people don't think they're selling cardboard rectangles at a premium.
>>98199787Doesn't really answer my question.
Are Grey Knights hard to play?Thinking about getting into them before the cool models get squatted and replaced by silver primaris intercessors.
>>98199789It does, I just told you they are just so it looks better / less shit.That means "No, they don't matter". Happy?
>>98199792Yes, thank you.
>>98199010I'm probably gonna pick up either Graves+Mandrakes+Foresight+Shadowsun OR I'm gonna buy some Bolt Action/Konflikt Italians.I have most of/all of a Votann army and some Necrons but I don't wanna spend like 3000 on the necron models I want.I want to own T'au, but also 11th Ed looks kinda sad for T'au with their limited detachments.
So the improvement over L-shaped ruins is *checks notes* shape-shaped ruins?
>>98199790Depends. Hard to play in the senses that their rules are complicated? No, they teleport around and point and click and hope they roll 9" charges. Hard to play in the sense that every model is basically a marine with a 2+ save but costs an assload of points? Yeah, your army seems like it *should* be tanky on paper, but in actuality it's super squishy because you get so few dudes that losing even just a few makes things much harder.
>>98199010Gonna buy me some Hippos after I've finished my sentinels and salamanders. Mabye they've released the Recon cadians by then
>>98199796>players say l-shaped ruins are bad>GW introduces a system that lets you make terrain look however the fuck you like>this is somehow also bad
>>98199804>>GW introduces a system that lets you make terrain look however the fuck you likeWhat do you mean "introduces"? You could play with whatever terrain you wanted before as well.
>>98199804>GW introduces a system that lets you make terrain look however the fuck you likeIs this true?
>>98199010Get all the new Orks I like and also finish my backlog (LOL)
How long do you think it will last before GW reverses the "all vehicles have 10th edition index towering" rules? You know, the ones they had to delete from the game after 3 months to stop everyone getting alpha struck by Eldar?
>>98199799They were pretty shit this past edition, weren't they? I'm ultra casual and mostly stick to AoS Spearhead but I don't think I ever saw anyone play Grey Knights in any of the LGS' I go to. I wanted to try playing Blood Angels but thought I should wait for the "upadate" now I regret for not buying into them sooner. I refuse to use gold intercessors and black intercessors as the base of my army. I don't want to make the same mistake again.
>>98199010I'm pretty much maxed out on my current armies so I'll just have to wait and see what GW releases for one of them next. So nothing for the next 6-18 months probably.
>>98199806In 10th, you played with L-shaped ruins (or at least that's what anon is complaining about, presumably he didn't play any games at all). In 11th, GW has changed the rules so that now you aren't incentivized to use l-shaped ruines because the exact shape of the terrain isn't as important (the footprint and the fact that there's something with some kind of height is what matters). As in, they introduced a new system to let you have terrain look like however you want, in comparison to the old system.
>>98199823>let you have terrain look like however you want, in comparison to the old systemBut this is not true. You could have whatever shape of terrain you wanted before as well. Now you are bound to specific terrain footprint and it appears that footprint placement is very strict and rigid as well.
>>98199790They're a weird in-between compared to regular Space Marines and Custodes, and the baby carrier is basically their one mobile unit when Brother Mario isn't doing his teleport'n tricks.
>aos mmo canceled >horus heresy mmo canceled Im both curious and intrigued as to why gw was encouraging multiple MMOs in the current video game atmosphere. One of them was being handled by nexon of all things.
>>98199832I thought the HH one wasn't an MMO, just a vidya
>>98199823No, you're forced to use L shape ruins because the game uses TLOS and and the game is so lethal that anything not out of LOS instantly dies and this continues to be true in 11th.
>>98199836Supposedly, per ign, it was an mmo. Probably something like warframe though. Or destiny.
>>98199828It's not though it's just a suggestion. Though I do know half the retards at my game store will take it as bible
>>98199816You don't see many GK players because their model range is ancient. Their Termies are the first "modern" termie kit from two-hundred years ago. Don't get me wrong, I love them and I have a small GK army despite never playing them but people are rightfully waiting for an inevitable update or squatting.
>>98199830Don't they use Razorbacks now?
>>98199823>People complain? I bet the nomodels nogames did thisWAITER! MORE FINE GW COCKS FOR THIS GENTLMAN!>>98199832>aos mmo canceledWhy? The HH one was because the studio itself got canned if I understood correctly.You now remember the Dark Millenium MMO
>>98199843>It's not though it's just a suggestion. My understanding of RAW is that you have to pick one of the three suggested layouts.
On the topic of 40k vidya, when are we getting a starfield-esque (but good) 40k game? I want to cruise around the universe and do small-scale rogue trader type stuff.
>>98199010Probably a Coronus or second Caladius. Trying to be a bit more mobile, but I'm not sure if having ~6 jetbikes and/or the Dreadnought detachment will already cover that. Since Solar Spearhead still exists, it is also mildly tempting to get 3x Venerable Contemptors for the novelty but will probably age like milk. Maybe they could be stripped down or retrofitted with spare parts from an Achillus or Galatus if that happens.
I've started building a Pile of Pride. Every time I build a kit I put the box and empty sprues in a pile in the corner so I can look on it and see that I actually have done a lot of stuff. Also because I'm too lazy to take them all out to the rubbish bin.
>>98199849>WhyIdk. All I know was that it was handled by nexon.
>>98199840Oh i think we are talking about different games, my badThere was a single player HH game that was in development too.Both got canned
>>98199856You're gonna get a "starfield-esque" game alright, as in bethesda "quality".
>>98199830>>98199847I'm ashamed to say that I like their baby carriers...
>>98199853I didn't say that who are you quoting?
>>98199010Probably some more aberrants or a sanctus. I only have one squad of 10 aberrants, but I'm tempted to try running multiple dagger sanctus units with the killer-focused 1pt detachment and I only have 1 sanctus right now.
>>98199823The real problem is how GW mixes abstractions and TLOS. It's been going on for so long that nothing is intuitive when it comes to terrain rules
>>98199867I'm obviously not quoting you Anon, it's just shitty text formatting. Only the first sentence is your quote. Let's do it again.>It's not though it's just a suggestion. My understanding of RAW is that you have to pick one of the three suggested layouts.
>>98199828>you are bound to a specific terrain footprintHere is what the core rules have to say about placing terrain. You are in absolutely no way bound to any specific footprint or shape. GW has, in the TOURNAMENT COMPANION, provided layouts they recommend for tournament play. But the rules of the game in no way make you use those recommendations.
>>98199874I stand corrected then.
>>98199874Everybody knows the tournament companion will become the de facto rules, no matter what GW pretends
>>98199874>went from L shape terrain to box/area>the terrain piece is merely decoration
>>98199865Tbh I don't even mind the Bethesda jank so much, since mods will inevitably fix the jank. It could've been good if it actually had content, a couple less loading screens, and a generally more hostile universe. I still feel like the bones are there for a decent game, but they just fumbled it hard at every opportunity.
>>98199874NTA but how does it prove you had to use L-shaped ruins in the previous edition?
>>98199884>>the terrain piece is merely decorationNot true, as they're still using tlos
>>98199886>modern 40k game>modding
>>98199890I was specially speaking on Starfield in my post. Ideally GW wouldn't let Todd even look in the general direction of the 40k IP.
Huh? Apparently, traitor guard had functioning army rules until 10th. How come people still talk about "squatting" stuff when they should say "R&H-ing"?
>>98199887It doesn't, and you didn't actually have to, it was just that most people did because they'd seen what it looked like at a big tournament and assumed that was how it had to be. I corrected that anon because he was making an untrue statement about how terrain works in 11th, that post says nothing about how it worked in 10th. I spent most of 10th playing narrative campaigns and we had all kinds of boards that worked just fine. Space station interiors with corridors, jungles, trenches, and yes, ruined city blocks.
>>98199884>the terrain piece is merely decorationI wish. TLoS should be gone ages ago.
>>98199903>R&H-ingWhat?Also "squatting" rolls off the tongue better
>>98199848Yeah they got Razorbacks, and will probably still use them for MSU transports and heavy guns into 11th.>>98199866I don't mind big exosuits so much than just wanting them to be better armoured, and then those like SoB just doubled down on being stupid. As it stands, it's nothing some conversion work can't easily do, especially with printing, but then alternatives like riced-up Inquisitor Armigers and Heresy Dreadnoughts are still on the table.
>>98199856Isn't that exactly what Rogue Trader is? Flying around an entire sector and interacting with and fighting tons of different shit from across the galaxy?
>>98199920Kind of, but turn-based games are gay
>>98199922Then Space Marine games are all you will ever enjoy
>>98199903Traitor guard still has a notable presence in CSM, Squats didn't carry on existing as part of some other army
>>98199922You are gay.
>>98199925I have no interest in space marine supersoldier wank. I want more stuff like Necromunda: Hired Gun.>>98199931Perhaps
>>98199922Anon 40k itself is a turn based game...
>>98199941That's why it's called 40gay.
>>98199355haha diaper baby
>>98199366oh he's rightit has too many eyes'spider like' tyranids are shit, they're supposed to be a weird dino-adjacent species.
>>98199360both of them are antichaos.
>>98199511>weird egyptian guys>firstborn coded???
>>98199585>>98199562why don't mtgfags have to pay while they summon harry potter and sauron to fight darth vader and frasier from that one bar show that came before frasier?
i put the new forgis on the jeep....
>>98199959That's a pretty cool looking chaos primaris. Even has his bolt rifle with a scope and auxillary grenade launcher still with him.
>>98199958What makes you think they aren't paying? Weekly events usually have an entry fee. Or at least they did when I used to play TCGs.
>>98199959I wish we got these guys instead of gay Egyptians
>>98199968cuz he literally said tables were free for cardgames.
>>98199975? What's stopping you from making your own CSM warband of Tzeentch?
How difficult would it be to use Mandrake bodies for making some Acolyte Hybrids?
>>98199380>>98199947new von ryans have 3 pairs of eyescurrent enhanced senses carnifex head has multiple eyes even though sculpt is from 2004old 2001 3e codex art of red terror has multiple eyesIt's right for a new red terror model to have multiple eyes
>>98199990inferior to lictor, I don't recognize them.
>>98199989mandrakes are more expensive than acolyte hybrids unless you specifically want buff looking hybrids.
>>98199990original deathleaper sculpt too, that had multiple eyes
Khorne is the patron god of childbirth.>Khorne demands blood and skulls from his followers>Women create skulls within their bodies out of nothing before birthing them babtised in their own blood>Literally skull makers>Childbirth is thus the ultimate form of Khornate worship
>>98199859I had a similar idea, but I display the finished models not the leftover trash.
>>98199380>>98199947>>98199990Cthulhu has six eyes, and the recent tyranids design has been more lovecraftian, hence the more tentacle mouths. So red terror has 6 eyes as does the death leper
>>98200009How exactly does a Khorne worshipper add the skulls he collects to the skull throne?Does he give it to a little daemon who runs it over? Does he have to make the pilgrimage himself? Or is the whole thing just a dumb metaphor
>>98200018metaphoricaldeath and violence and bloodshed are what nourish her
>>98200018Obviously its not literalHe's not scooping up the blood and sending it to Khorne either you know
>>98200017cthulu is overrated
>>98200018there's a fanart piece of a shrine to khorne that is just a giant pile of skulls with a guy covered in blood prostrate before a giant rune of Khorne.Oh wait I'm using my other computer so I literally have that saved and I gave it the correct filename instead of something retarded like "korn lol bungus fungus" that would make it impossible for me to find. Nice.
>>98200018Same way ancient people sacrificed animal to the gods. You burn it and when it turns to ash it as transported to the gods in it pre burnt state.Holocausts sacred burnt offerings were common with Greeks burning bulls. I can see Khornates burning great piles of skulls and thats how they're offered to Khorne
i'd like to think though that each time a life is taken in khorne's name the skull of the victim materializes somewhere in its hell realm and falls to the ground of the braincase-strewn landscape and clatters around for a moment and finds its place
>>98200022Sure but Tyranids, or at least the more spooky vanguard units the ones with higher thinking and are actually intelligent are seemingly more lovecraftian coded.
>>98200035But then how do Khorne worshippers staple the skulls to their wargear?
>>98200041well the corporeal one doesn't go anywhere so one's free to do what they will with it
>>98200043If Khorne can make copies of skulls, why doesn't he just make infinite skulls?
>>98200049she only finds value in the ones that incarnate entities provide herwouldn't be as genuine to fabricate them
Is this a Khorne worshiper?
>>98200053>she
>>98200058all the pantheon are hermaphroditic and the presence of the feminine overrides the masculine concerning referentiality thereto
>>98200056I suppose you could say the Four-armed Emperor is Khorne
>>98200021Ok but is there any canon source that definitively states that the world eaters do not, in fact, scoop up blood and mail it to khorne?
>>98200063>all the pantheon are hermaphroditicThey are not.Only Slaanesh is a gay fagshit god. Rest are only male or only female.
>>98200016The coward's way.
>>98200079all gods are hermaphroditicthis is requisite to something being a godthey are self-inseminating and self-arising and omnifaceted in aspect
>>98200079This guy thinks the Changer of Ways has a static gender
>>98200082GW exclusively addresses Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch as he/him. Stop misgendering Choas Gods.
>stealth
>>98200076the lore is what it tells you, not what it doesn't.
bbw venus effigy nurgle....
>>98200091>tfw no nurgle gf
>>98198976I love how creative this fucker is, it's so refreshing
>>98200090Yeah and the lore tells you that the blood and the skulls are specifically for the blood god and the skull throneSo they have to get it to him, logically
>>98200084Page 45 of the Leviathan hardcover>Tzeentch>HIS worshippers empower their god though...
>>98200101her*ftfy <3
>>98200105You lost just like Disney :^)
>>98200101Do you see a penis because I don't see a penis
>>98200100>So they have to get it to him, logicallyThe warp is not like physical reality, so no, they don't.
>>98200107his crotch is covered though. does a man not have a penis because his shorts are covering them.
>>98200109OBVIOUSLY if tzeentch had a penis it wouldn't be between the legs, it would be coming out of the elbow or something
it is surely the job of khornelings to gather corporeal prizes and ferry them back to their master if there is indeed any physical conveyance of spoils going on
>>98200111flanderisation
>>98199010>buying next?Waiting to see the new range of marines, especially the ravenwing and potential Death Cie kit.Tempted to get some navy breachers to go with my navigator, just fun dudes for the shelf/campaign.Might get a tiny force of black templars, 500 points max.Keeping an eye out for more imperial guard stuff that's actually good (armageddon range is not up my alley).We're approaching a point where I've got all I need, everything else is gonna be for the hell of it.
>>98199283>>98199301I'd love some nids nostalgia wank like picrel
>>98199339>Goodwin is almost entirely responsible for how nids look todayNow that he's gone and Blanche has sadly passed, 40k is past its creative peak. Despair.
>>98200124Jes designed Primaris 10 years ago so I'd say that creative peak was passed long ago.
>khorne is a lazy bitch>nurgle is a fat bitch >tzeentch is a reddit neckbeard >slannesh is a discord trannyIn every way they are depicted this synchs artistically>>98200049She doesn’t care where or who it comes from, just that it came from someone and cost both parties.
>>98200124There could always be a new visionary among the up and comers with cool ideas who might get to express them now that they aren't stifled by the old creative leaders.
>>98200128I say it everytime but I want to see all of his actual sketches. We only have 2 examples and they're not conclusive. Copium, maybe, hopium, perhaps.
>>98200133I wish, but I really doubt that1) they exist2) GW lets them do interesting shit3) they waste their time at GW if they've go the creative talent.But I wish nonetheless.
>>98200021>doesn’t know a 1:1 replica of skulls taken and blood spilt manifests in the warp and is personally sorted by khorne
>>98200112Like anything to do with 40k, im sure there are ways for every answer to be correct>Skulls offered to Khorne manfiest in his helm while remaning in reality>Skulls burnt as sacrifice to manifest in his realm, skulls turning from physical into spiritual/ghostly>Literally khorne Ferryman transporting skulls through the Warp and into khornes realmI really like that idea, ferryman in small boats transporting especially prized skulls of great champions, daemons of the other gods trying to welay them and khornate deamons coming inforce to protect the ferrymen, their gods property and retriving stolen tributes
>>98200084It has to, otherwise it wouldn’t need to change, it would be endless potential, in other words nothings that’s already some other who? Warp entities shtick
>>98200116Look at how the redesigned the raveners, mostly taking the elements from the 3d metal ravener instead of the plastic "tyranid warrior torso on snake tail" schemeWho knows what they'll do the warrior and carnifex redesign. Latter kit is almost certain to arrive in 11th.
>>98200147>carnifex redesignThey'll be bigger with more detail but largely unchanged design wise. They're bascially perfect. I alo dont see warriors changing since we can see the winged prime warrior and its just a 'better' warrior but largey the same design
>>98200142>>Literally khorne Ferryman transporting skulls through the Warp and into khornes realmThis idea is stupid (I know some pig is going to jump on me saying ahhh 40k is stupid you tourist!) and nothing in the lore points to this being done in anyway. And there is a lore example that is in conflict with this particular idea.Often when World Eaters or Khorne daemons defeat their foes or destroy a world, they'll pile up the skulls and leave. If there was some aspect of Khorne worshippers or daemons moving skulls into the warp you'd never find these skull piles.
>>98200137The guard vehicles have been pretty great by comparison…
>>98200156I had to spend $30 for a bottom panel for my Rogal Dorn
>>98200153>autstic anon not using his imagination and saying there's no codex idea for a headcanon discussionAnon they offer and pile up the skulls to khorne, the skulls manifest in the warp and a daemon/ warp being transports them through the warp to khornes throne. Thus you keep the physical skull piles
>>98200157By comparison…
>>98200160Khorne followers pile up the skulls and they appear in Khorne's realm. That's all you need. You don't need this reddit idea of little red imps jumping into their UPS trucks loading it with skulls and then driving through the warp before depositing them next to Khorne's throne.
>>98200156>guard vehicles>Bigger leman russ with no bottom and less options>Haltruck based on the taurox>generic 6x wheel armoured carI think the hippogryph is cute, but that's the best I'm willing to say.
>>98200160Pretty sure he just doesn’t like the idea and is trying to argue why it’s bad by citing sources.I don’t like it either but it’s just because mine is objectively superior so I don’t need to argue it
>>98200169The halftrack is like the Taurox should have been from the start. So that thing is a vast improvement.Dorn looks like shit, regardless of the open bottom. The 6x6 car looks good, but i'm not sure if it really was needed. Guard has sentinels after all.Speaking about sentinels: The new one looks like shit.
>>98200151>They'll be bigger with more detail but largely unchanged design wise. They're bascially perfect.I bet we'll lose 9/10 of the cool biomorph upgrades from the sprue that let carnifexes be so customizable in 4th editionInstead the kit will build either "1x carnifex" with scything talons and guns or "1x thornback" with crushing claws and spikey bits on the carapace/tailIt will have two fixed poses with no ball socketsand you will be happy
>>98200165>NOoo you can't reference the idea of how things of value having to be physcial moved throughout the world. >Like when the romans conquered a people and had to physcially bring the loot back to Italy, or the Spanish plundering of gold and silver from south america. >Noo khornes realm works just like my digital money with my banking app, things are instant and don't put any more thought into it!Fuck off cunt you diminish the setting by rejecting different ideas out of hand, and I wasn't imagining imps either you fuck
>>98200181I do like the taurox but it looks like shit, the tracks are hard to accept, but I justify the whole vehicle in my head as the weird proprietary vehicle of the tempestus scions, so whatever. I don't have scions so I don't have a taurox either.While the half track is better than the taurox, it's also very plain and I think a bit tall/bulky for a lightweight vehicle. It's also very generic/uninteresting.But if the objective of the thing is to be unoffensive (compared to the taurox), then it has succeeded.>dorn is shitAmen, just a primairs leman russ, I will die on this hill.>6x6 carI don't think it was needed either, but I might get one, one day, to make a SADF/Rhodesian regiment platoon, being a big fan of Denel & such.>sentinelI don't particularly dislike the new sentinel bar the viewpart (could have used a windshield wiper), but the old sentinel is just so good.
uh oh redditor melty
>>98200213uhhh, I’m not a redditor
>>98200199>Instead the kit will build either "1x carnifex" with scything talons and guns or "1x thornback" with crushing claws and spikey bits on the carapace/tailThis is bascially what I expect but who knows, last nid release had loads of neat surprises and ideas so maybe they'll be some cool new stuff thats while liked, like the death leper skirttail
>>98200147>>98200151>>98200199>carnifex kitI'm still baffled that the screamer killer is locked to the neurotyrant sprue. Hopefully a multipart kit has the option for both standard carni & screamer killer.
>>98200200>wasn't imagining the imps>but was imagining the khorne UPS truckskek
>>98200221I did say boat/ferry repeatly so I was picturing an old man warrior type queitly paddling down a winding creek to deliver very special skulls into khornes realm. Where the creek becomes like a bloodriver or something. A fucking warp truckie deliveirng a truckload of skulls is kinda lame
>>98200116This looks like shit, so no.
>>98200221>>98200225>khornazon delivery drivers are all fat black womenGrim
>>98200221>>98200225Charon but you pay with skulls or somethin'
>>98200228>Charon but he steals your skulls or somethingShieeeeeeet
>>98200134I'll say this again but 30k did a fucking way better job at expanding marines than primaris every will because it didn't invalidate the core of the army.
What us currently the ugliest overall range in the game?
>>98200235Phobos and gravis marines.
>>98200235Splitting hairs.
>>98200235Primaris Phobos Marines
>>98200235Votrannies, then Admech
>>98200128Primaris look good. Jes did a great job with desingning them. >but they look differentYeah, because they are supposed to.You know what I'm actually mad about? GW taking mk3 and mk2 designs and raping them into "legally distinct" 3rd party slop you find on Etsy.And then trying to pretend that is what mk3 and mk2 always looked like.
>Bloodthirsters of Khorne are shameless ripoffs of the Balrogs down to both have whipsI always felt the whip thing was weird, greatest champion of Khorne have a weapon that is Slaanesh coded and no other khorne daemon uses
>>98200235Phobos units and dark eldar.
>>98200233True but that's because 30k was 40k stuff bar the rare exception. Even the leviathan was thought for 40k too.It's only GW being asswipes that locked stuff to 30k.Tartaros, contemptors, land raiders spartan & proteus, all of these started in 40k.TL;DR: Yes, you are correct.Unfortunately GW higher-ups wanted nu-marines for normies.
>>98200245It's a bladed whip so it makes their opponents bleed.
>>98200227>Khornate Amazon delivered by Amazons>the option is either to pay or to win in a fight with a deilivery driverguh...
>>98200243>primaris look goodThe best primaris models are those which hide or change primaris-design cues.>numk2 & numk3Could have been better but they're pretty good.At least now FW armor marks are free for 3rd party to dick around witht. have STLs of great recreations of the FW designs.
>>98200249um sweaty that's not a primaris model.
>>98200249Carab Cvlln... vgh...
>khorne gets all blood and skulls directly, no if ands butts or middle men>followers stack and pool them physically due to demonically induced autism>those same demons then take the skulls and blood like cookies and milk left for Santa, so the poor little retards believe khorne actually gives a fuck and visits them after a good chimpout >>98200245They’re the cool older siblings of khorne who buy chaos blessings for the kids because khorne spent it all on smoking brass and hoarding hell hounds
>>98200261>primaris modelSure, here you go
>>98200259>Pregenant Khornate Amazonians delivering skulls like Amazon>If you come across them you must choose between giving them your skull to add to their delivery or giving them your seed so that your children may be born and sacrificed to Khorne and their skulls added to the mountain range of skull
>>98200259No. That’s the khornate Waffle House.Khornazon shows up, takes a picture of the delivered package, then kills you and takes it back after crashing the juggernaut.>>98200269That’s what the hell hounds are for. They deliver babies to khornate women the same way: khorne worshippers are all cucked by fido and die as day time entertainment to the skull throne
>>98199339I'll be honest I actually really like modern tyranids and how they're all designed around the Hivemind genetically smashing and slamming a protonid organism to suit its needs, but I do agree that something was lost in the translation. They went from a freaky mass of gribbly flesh throwing whatever it could at you to a more intentional and predictable mobile biomachine factory. Like you said, old nids were more like The Thing at a massive scale whole new ones are closer to an organic paperclip factory.
>>98200249The vast majority of extra squads, tanks and flyers for 30k weren't made for 40k first and they still fit way better as an expansion than any of the new primaris stuff. I'm talking about stuff like sicarans, the extra rhino and land raider variants, the super heavies, the storm raven and fire hawk, stuff like recon squads, destroyer squads, breacher squads or all the consul officers.
>>98200259>>98200272Also the payment and melee aren’t optional. The waffles are just a bonus.
>>98200272>Khornes Hell Hounds breeding women to create khornate followers I wouldn't even mind this to explain khorngors in 40k. Demon dogs needs more attention in 40k and the whole half human half beast hybrid idea from Ancient greece should be used more.
>>98200274It's funny because basically everything primaris have tried to add exists in 30k in a better designed and integrated way.Gravis as a more agile version of terminators? Tartaros does it better.Phobos as power armoured scouts? Recon squads do it better.Special weapon squads? Tactical support squads do it way better than the half dozen primaris gun squads.And that's not talking about whatever the fuck they tried to do with the hovertanks.
>>98200235>Votann if going off the visual dissonance across the whole range>Admech got some real goofy shit that even makes its own fans yearn for the 30k Mechanicum toys>New Blood Angels if we go off subfactions with their own shit, holy SHIT they got done dirty compared to the drip everyone else got>>98200233The locals where I am sometimes suggest that the 30k tanks like the Kratos should've been what the Primaris vehicle design went after.
>>9820028630k tacticals are also just a plain better execution than intercessors in every single way possible.
I like custodes and sisters of silence but I feel like everyone will make fun of me in both the threads and irl for having them
>>98200249i should get a recast of this guy
>Fell off 40k with Indomitus>Been far down the TOW rabbit hole so only now paying attention as friend is interested>Mfw i read about the new editionHow could you let the Warmachine assholes do this to you?
>>98200291They even gave intercessors fury of the legion last update.
>>98200295One guy.
>>98200291The moment updated Mk3 hit the shelves, Primaris were cooked. I have an Ultima Founding army because Primaris kits are cheap as chips and I can do all crazy stuff with them but 40k should have got updated Mk7 and Mk8 in HH-style releases rather than MkX with all the pointless lore changes attached.
>>98200291Intercessors are just really dry and boring as-is. I'm surprised that MkIV is probably the least fucked-with mark that's gotten an upscale so far, but how the hell does 30k not have a MkV kit already? Wack.
>>98200290Honestly I wish GW would just update the older designs like they did for HH. Bassicaly just giving a simple size update. Without a LoreRape.
>>98200292as a dude who hates custodes, no one gives a fuck irl. the general tastes and opinions on lore of most people here is far different from what people irl think. also>caring what anyone else thinksgrim
>>98200295>How could you let the Warmachine assholes do this to you?Lol, lmao. Warmachine Mk IV rules unironically mog 40k on every field possible.
>>98200304As much as people meme it and despite it being called "heresy" armour it's by far the least used in general. Plus I'm sure the studs are being a pain to design around.
>>98200304>but how the hell does 30k not have a MkV kit already?Injection molding design limitations. Go look at MkVI studded shoulder pad design and imagine now you have to copy it for the whole model.
>>98200304
>Rereading 11th edition rumors from months back>"Imperial Agents and Genestealer Cult are getting squatted">MfwGSC bros are we gonna be okay?..
>>98200312I'm half expecting they will have the studs as separate pieces like mk3 and mk4 have their vambraces.
>>98200292>implying people won’t make fun of you for collecting plastic sci-fi garbage in the first placeYou’ll get called retarded and gay by normies and you’ll get called retarded and gay here.>implying this is anything new for (you)
>>98200310Even if it's 'production' MkV we're talking about, I think it would still lend real well to kitbashing. And yeah the MkVI's left-hand pauldrons were split into two bits to achieve best results, while the Red Corsairs studs aren't very great either.>inb4 extra accessory sprue of tiny plastic studs to paste onto the model yourself
>>98200319>inb4 extra accessory sprue of tiny plastic studs to paste onto the model yourself>construction should only be undertaken by expert Warhammer hobbyists aged 15 years and over.
>>98200274>sicaransFairly sure sicarans were also meant for 40k, similar/same case as leviathans.>extra rhinos and land raidersWhich ones were meant for 30k and not 40k?>super heaviesFellblade was also meant for 40k, not just 30k.Also a lot of those HH units are remakes/reimagining of old (mostly epic) units, like the sabre.So yes, they are a better 40k marine expansion, but that's by design.Primaris on the other hand aren't designed to be an expansion, they were a reboot. It's only after initial backlash that standard/classic units started being "upgraded".
>>98200312I thought that's why they made the studs smaller on numk5 in the first place. Also doesn't the red corsair raiders have studed pads? How fucked are they?
>>98200314BIGGER
>>98199355Of those two the IW one is probably better in the long run. Like someone else mentioned Grey Knights are more than likely getting a refresh this edition after getting ignored in 10th. The Iron Warriors one gives you more than 500 points in model value out of the box (This is going by current 10th edition ones and shit may rise or fall next week when the new points drop), and has some pretty obvious upgrade paths to go with>Terminator Lord/Sorcerer Lord to lead the Terminators>Some sort of Daemon Engine for the Warpsmith to sit next to (Forgefiend, Helbrute, Defiler, etc)>Vehicles (Chaos Vindicator is both a solid unit and flavorful)>Maybe some more Havocs >Cultist mob for cheap points filler
>>98200056No, he's a second scalper on the same market, but for hobby instead of business
>>98200134nooticing how there's no heavy stubbers
>>98200341I am noticing. I'm also noticing how it mentions 3 version of the repulsor and we only got 2, or how the remote sponsons on top of the doors are meant to be compatible with other types and we only got bolters or missiles.There might even be mention of swapping the repulsor plates for tank threads but it's a bit too blurry for me to decipher.
>>98200344>it mentions 3 version of the repulsor and we only got 2Considering how only the executioner has any place in the restoer I doubt there will be more and I'll be surprised if they don't end up squatting the basic repulsor now that they are keeping land raiders.
>>98200341>stubbers, autoguns and lasguns for Guard>bolters for Marines and Sisters>something exotic like Adrathics for Talonsthis is how it should've gone, bolter spears were fucking retarded and now they're slapping M2 Brownings on Primaris vehicles
>>98200265They really were scraping the bottom of the barrel in 7e
>>98200291Marinepiggies are so funny because these are just intercessors to me
>>98200346You can't ever admit that a Cawl design is inferior to the original. They will never stop selling the repulsor.
>>98200346The "troop carrier" repulsor would effectively be a primaris land raider, so I'm not expecting to ever see it.We've not seen any wacky SM unit since the initial primaris waves, so it's safe to say we're only gonna get updated middle hammer marines with nuGW flavor from now on.
>>98200344>There might even be mention of swapping the repulsor plates for tank threads but it's a bit too blurry for me to decipher.It says "occasionally changes [illegible] track treads" whatever that means.
>>98200341>>98200348>the gay new designers who were suppose to save us with the old heads leaving are actually the ones who ruined marines by giving them stubbersabsolutely grim. you can tell their rational was probably something like ahhh these browings are so cool and they're in cod we have to give them to marines, marine fans don't like stormbolters and actually want to put stubbers on their vehicles
>>98200235space marines
>>98200352>being a blind idiot on purpose makes me smart
>>98200348Nta but I'm not opposed to marines getting stubbers and even lasguns/hellguns, but it should be a fun/niche alternative, not the new default.I will never forgive how they raped the assault cannon and replaced it with the>onslaught gatling cannonIt's just a generic space minigun.
>>98200349yes, but not because of that, it's actually a neat upgrade sprue that's unfortunately sold only in warhammer world
>>98200358>now that's a gif I haven't seen in a long time...
>>98200357They have a lot of really ugly models, but the range as a whole is much better than a lot of other smaller factions with just a few bad stinkers
>>98200353I have to remind you that they squatted all of the fatcast models last year.>>98200354The issue is that land raiders are a better troop carrier. There's nothing the repulsor does that the land raider doesn't do better. The executioner does have a place, as the razorback of land raiders, but the base repulsor is completely unncecessary in a world where land raiders exist.
>>98200355It's something like that. I don't know if it's track threads or tank threads or tank tracks, something along those lines. The worse before it is the one I'm really stuck on because it can change the whole sentence.I really, really want to see better versions of the OG primaris sketches from goodwin.
>>98200352They have actual boltguns, bayonets as wargear upgrades and can be run in 20 man units. Intercessors are just a more boring version of both 30k and 40k tacticals.
>>98200369>the base repulsor is completely unncecessary in a world where land raiders exist.Exactly, since it was meant as a replacement. But the plan has been altered.
>>98200354>we're only gonna get updated middle hammer marines with nuGW flavor from now on.The new intercessors say otherwise.
>>98200372>40k ultramarines>40k>sons of horushhg is the other way
>>98200376That's my point. They are keeping land raiders so they will squat the basic repulsor.
primaris designs are mostly good, actually, but you can prefer the clunky 30k dwarf aesthetic if that appeals to your rotted nostalgia brain.
>>98200379They don't, they are updated tacticals with all the fun removed, perfectly in line with my statement.There's a good chance that the different armor parts in the multipart kit are straight up / mostly ported from the ~2012/2014 tac marine
Shitty wip
>>98200383>bad thing is good and good thing is badOkay kid, here is your (you).
>>98200384>they are updated tacticals with all the fun removedThat's what they were in 2017 too. >here's a good chance that the different armor parts in the multipart kit are straight up / mostly ported from the ~2012/2014 tac marineAbsolutely not. All the marketing speech was straight up lies. They are all wearing mkX with bolt rifles. There's not a single part of old armour in there except 2 mk6 pauldrons and 2 mkX helmets cosplaying as mk7.
>>98200383I think a lot of the complaints over Primaris aesthetic changes seem fairly trivial individually, but I can definitely see how the terrible lore and original rules changes behind them has balkanized a sizable (but shrinking) portion of the fanbase to be extra critical about them as a whole.
>>98200354>We've not seen any wacky SM unit since the initial primaris wavesDesolation Squad? The new Eradicators are also pretty bad.
>>98200389The differences are trivial if taken individually. But if you slightly change every single component about everything the end result is massively different.
>>98200393I still can't quite understand why the fuck they think replacing devastators with that garbage is a good idea when they've made retributors and havocs and both look fucking amazing.
>>98200395No, yeah. I get it. Like I can compare each individual change and say it's not really any worse and just a different aesthetic choice and still think the overall presentation of the final composition just lacks a bit of the grit of the original.I don't mean to say their complaints are unfounded. Just that I can see both sides of the argument.
After responding to "BuT dO i HaVe To PaiNt ThEm BLuE?" for the 50th time, yet another GW's intern committed sudoku. GW decided it's time to come up with a new, even more generic than UM chapter for their box cover pictures. They ask YOU to pick one. They provided a list of requirements for the new marketing-friendly chapter to make your job harder.>It has to be an already existing Chapter>It can't have any Chapter-exlusive kits and characters in the current GW's model range>It has to be one of the Codex-compliant Chapters with a relatively easy paint schemes - no Novamarines or Howling Griffons allowedHard mode - no Raptors.
>>98200402red scorpions because grey is easy
>>98200402Red scorpions. They are already grey.
>>98200402The answer is obviously Imperial Fists as they are most generic thing in the entire setting. But yellow is hard to paint so you have to pick a successor instead like the Crimson Fists. They might actually have too much character though. Not bland enough.
>>98200387I'll wait for the mutlipart sprues to be revealed so I can better illustrate what I mean here, but from what we've seen so far the new intercessor just have decorations trying to emulate (trying is the key word) the variation/bling of the last midhammer marine range.There will definitely be at least 1-2 beakies in the kit but I'm not expecting more than a mediocre attempt to emulate the tactical squad bling.No special weapons expected.
>>98200402>come up with a new, even more generic than UM chapter>It has to be an already existing Chapter
>>98200402Red Scorpions. Red is easy to paint.
>>98200403>7 seconds apartImpeccable taste.
>>98200407I'm not even asking for special weapons at this point I just want them to carry actual boltguns and be able to ride on rhinos. And to be called tacticals again. Intercessor squad is such a dogshit name.
>>98200393>desolation squadStaff confirmed that this one had been sat on for a while.Also desolation squads aren't wacky, they are just 5x missile launcher marines. The execution is ass but it's not a wacky idea, compared to heavy armor grav jump troops with twin heavy plasma pistols, grav dudes with autocannons, or not-fireflies from starcraft.
>>98200415I hear you brother, I hear you.
>>98200416The squad itself isn't wacky, what's wacky is their name, the design of their missile launchers and its ammo being "superfrag" and "superkrak". All of this made even worse by the fact that devastators with missile launchers already existed.
>>98200402Imperial fists
>>98200422>superfrag and superkrakkek I forgot about that. I guess primaris are supposed to be super marines.Is "Super Marines" a better name than "Primaris"?
>>98200385Are these the Legion of Steel?
>>98200397>the havoc champion had 2 dozen weapons options while the legionnaire champ had 2always tickled my taint
>>98200260>The best primaris models are those which hide or change primaris-design cues.Not really.My favorite model is the generic primaris captain. It looks cool as is without hiding anything or change anything about the primaris design.
>>98200425Just combine them together to Frak Grenades with one weapon profile
>>98200432At this point I'd prefer if they give imperial missile launchers the rokkit profile so they van be viable for once. Splitting frag and krak has never worked.
>>98200416>not-fireflies from starcraft.Did you mean to say firebats?
>>98200430>my favorite model is the generic primaris captainGrim. Dark, even.Tell me you love SM2 without telling me you love SM2>>98200432>Frak>not Krag
>>98200422I hate these so much. Missile launchers are supposed to be over the shoulder.
>>98200427Something like that, yeah.I also managed to leave one out of the photo, woops
>>98200437Whatever their name is, the dudes with flame gauntlets.
>>98200415>I just want them to carry actual boltgunsBolt rifles are boltguns.>and ride rhinosYou can buy a rhino and just shove your intercessors into it.GW deathsquads who'd kill you for doing that, don't actually exist.
>>98200438>Tell me you love SM2 without telling me you love SM2I don't, because I never bought that game. Just not interested.The generic primaris captain looks cool for what it is. It doesn't need to be changed to better.
>>98200445>Bolt rifles are boltguns.Nta but you either know what he meant, making you a faggot, or you don't, making you a retard.Pick one.
I want a 40k cartoon in the style of The Tick
>>98200367No, it isn't.
>Biggest >Meanest>GreenestS'all you need in an army
>>98200451I don't care what he means because he is a detrimentally autistic retard.If he really is whinging for boltguns so badly he can just buy Grey Hunters who all come with boltguns anyway.Solutions already exist, but people here don't want actual solutions, they just want to complain. And then get pats on the back for it saying something stunning and brave.
>>98200437>>98200443Firebats work a lot better because of their proportions. Agressors look like ass because they have beer bellies, a stupid hood and their power fists make them have the sillhouette of a pear. Something like the 30k pyroclasts do it way better.
>>98200466Grey hunters have bolt carbines.
>managed to paint nothing todaywho here JUST?
>>98199010Been eyeing sisters of battle because I like chaos. Their stuff is a stretch different but similar to some degree. INV save melee(daemons), upgraded tactical units for battleline. Basic tanks that work. Melee spam or gun spam. Just feels inferior to regular marineboys.>I want humans in marine gear and SoB fits the bill, I'd helmet all of them
>>98200466>I don't like this>just fix it and stop whining you big babyThe irony is palpable and the lack of self-awareness is downright pathetic & shameful.
>>98200406>>98200424IF are such an NPC faction people don't even remember they have a named character. Sad.
>>98200372I thought plasma weapons only glow when you shoot them?
>>98200469Detrimentally autistic retard.>>98200473And this is what I mean about retards whinging and not wanting actual solutions, and instead only want to complain.
>>98200470Work has been fucking me in the ass mate I haven't touched a brush in two months.
>>98200474>IF named characterThe new lysander model is a downgrade. I can't believe they got away with it.
>>98200476Anon I don't think it's hard ro understand that I want the unit to use actual boltguns that are called boltguns, look like boltguns and have the rules of boltguns. Bolt rifles do none of those things and bolt carbines only look like boltguns.
>>98200461I funno if Tyranids would look good In green but ehh. I guess one can make that work
>>98200476And this is what I meant by palpable irony and lack of self-awareness.Your "solution" isn't one, because you just want him to shut up, not fix his issue. You are just mad that someone is being negative. You don't get his issue because you don't care about it, and since you are a big whiny manchild you get upset and act in bad faith.Typical & predictable.
>>98200482I was watching the TV at work and noticed there is a cool scheme for green.
>>98200466so you do know what he meant, and you were just pretending to be retarded lol. say your opinion like a man instead of being passive aggressive and only begin openly crying when pressed.
>>98200358>>98200374I'm sorry but this is genuinely what you all sound like to me.
>>98200482The 6th first were sort of interesting and then it devolved into pop culture slop, sad.
>>98200402The HungTake the knot!
>>98200490nta but imagine coming to a train convention, and then when people argue over train models you go>lol it's all the same to meand think you're some kind of smartass when you're just proud about not knowing what the fuck you just walked into.
>>98200490>Ignorance is the virtue
Big E wakes up for 2 minutes and tells his Custodes to get rid of those yee yee ass warhounds by the Eternity Gate.Instead, he wants 50 Space Marines from two different legions to stand on either end. Ceremonially.Which legions are getting this honor?
>>98200498The Flaming Homorapists
>>98200500>most kindest loyalist faction
>>98200490I'm not sure what's wrong about saying intercessors just being a more boring version of tacticals?
>>98198965I kind of want to integrate some of the Necromunda House Escher models into my GSC or Brood Brother units, but I also don't want to be seen as a coomer with coomerbait models. What do?
>>98200498Alpha Legion
>>98200505You're using escher models, there is no escape
>>98200422HH is so hit and miss, these are disgusting abominations
marinefags will look you in the eye, declare there is a rich difference between firstborn and primaris and then say all guardsmen are the same (they all have different uniforms, guns and equipment)
>>98200509How do the DEldar and Escher fags do it?
>>98200510ntab the point is that there's variants for everyone. That's the whole point of different patterns of wargear.
>>98200511You're really gonna double down? And then add the goomba fallacy? What faction do you play?>implying>>98200512They point at SoB and custard players, while flaunting their rare/niche faction/models.
>>98200496>>98200497>no you don't understand, their knee flanges are rounded instead of rectangular which makes them tacticool slop instead of gothic sovlI just don't see it. They have the exact same "vibe" to me.
>>98200524They are recognizble as the same thing but every detail is wrong. Like an AI trying to make a pic of a soace marine or a 3rd party seller making legally distinct interstellar jarheads.
>>98200524Again, you act like your ignorance is the virtue while in reality it makes you a mindless golem, a spineless homunculus that is trying to be a contrarian for the sake of contrarianism to fit in. I pity you, creature.
>>98200490Primaris vs firstborn are just bunch of retards arguing over which ice cream, regular vanilla or french vanilla, is the better ice cream.
>>98200529The guy is probably a Nid player
>>98200524>trust guys, I just can't see itSo it was just bait all along, wow
>98200531>98200490Samefag btw.
>>98200541Certainly.Everytime the topic comes back the baitniggers come out with the same 3 retardations.Remember anons, if you don't love your children they will post shitty bait 24/7 on 4chan.
Speaking of oldmarines, I hope newdex keeps them because of the classic guys loving their lamentors, legion of the damned, cursed founding chapters among others that should never be primaris.
>>98200548>everything that disagrees with me is the same person or bait
>>98200550I have no more hope left. Tacticals and devastators will get squatted. Rhinos might survive. Not sure about predators.
I feel the need to do a conversion project. What box should I look into building as either GSC character units or GSC/brood brother infantry?
>>98200558Turn to the dark side with them. We accept all.
>>98200548Always remember that anyone with negative comments (legitimate or not) are 1 or 2 outsiders who don't own models or play the game or know the lore and are only here because of a grifting youtuber or because they voted trump while a hundred posts in a thread calling people /v/ermin is actually a robust diverse community of a hundred unique individuals who all happen to use the term /v/ermin
I'm gonna watch some tournaments online, I'm really curious about this game. People seem to love it. It seems a little too involved on the face of it, yet it's stayed popular. This is probably the only piece of nerd-dom I haven't tried.Are the zombie clans good? Necrons, right?
>>98200567Nta but I'm tempted to start a blood ravens army using CSM rules. Fallens are also a good choice.
>>98200573This. I almost (almost) want to believe it's a falseflag that is meant to reveal how bad GW is through portraying the worst fucking fanboy possible. But it's so sloppy and predictable that it's hard to think it's anything but the same (few?) baitfags.
>>98200576don't worry about what's "good" as balance patches happen too frequently for that to mean anything.As for tournament streams, you can just google for some. Look I found one happening right now by doing that, one side is even playing Necronshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NmMLtP6e3M
>>98200529>>98200540You've been bitching and moaning but nobody has explained to me what makes the one soul and the other slop.Alright to be fair I've been playing up the sameyness a bit for comedic effect, so allow me to retreat to the bailey for a second so we can have a more productive discussion.I do of course recognize that there's differences in detail which might lead someone to prefer one design over the other, but I genuinely do not think the difference in general "vibe" is that drastic. Again, I can see why someone might *prefer* firstborn, but I find it odd that someone who would otherwise love marines might hate primaris (designwise).To use a third party comparison; I can see someone prefering the first edition stormcast over the newer fourth (?) edition thunderstrike design. But I would find it weird that the same person who once loved stormcast might now hate the new ones, when they're so fundamentally similar. And I'd argue that nucast and oldcast have more differences than primaris and firstborn.
>>98200576Necrons are cool and also good in the game. Don't worry too much about which armies are currently doing well though, that changes from edition to edition, and balance patch to balance patch. Just pick whichever army you like the most.
>>98200576>Are the zombie clans good? Necrons, right?I would avoid chasing after "good", and instead try to figure out the gist of faction playstyles and see what resonates with you. I can't speak for Necrons (who are sort of like zombie robot dudes that iirc can resurrect in game), but each faction has a general feel, like how the red khorne chaos guys prefer to close the distance asap and melee shit or how the astra militarum tend towards hordes of bodies shooting BB guns while tank/artillery support blows shit up from the backline.Or just go rule of cool and pick something you would enjoy assembling and painting.
Really like these new Mk.IV models, they're an improvement proportion wise.Would really like to see them with the Thousand Sons' resin upgrade bits, and even them being kitbashed with 40k's Rubricae.
>>98200612>allow me to retreat to the bailey for a second so we can have a more productive discussionNo. You had your chance to not act like a retard but you decided to do otherwise. Now you will remain a village idiot. I don't even bother with reading the rest of your post.
any good deal boxes for eldar apart from the current combat patrol? i dont think i'd ever want more than 1 of it, that'd be a lot of dire avengers, but eldar are fckn expensive, like $70 for 5 single wound infantry.
does plunging fire improve the bs or hit roll by +1? if the former does that mean i can stack it with say a meks buff so a stompa hits on a 3+?
>>98200635what does the rule say, you dried nutsack
>>98200501Clearly a sallies successor.
>>98200624Oh no whatever shall I do
>>98200640no need to bully me anon, im just thinking about my next list and thought it would be hilarious if i could field a stompa that hits on a 3+
>>98200612>please spend more effort on my dishonest assThe audacity of this whore
>>98200612>You've been bitching and moaning but nobody has explained to me what makes the one soul and the other slop.NTA but it's simple. I liked marines the way they were. They changed them. They are now different and the marines I liked no longer exist. Everything else about the matter is irrelevant.
>>98200649>plunging fire is not in the shooting or terrain rules sections, instead its a section called OTHER RULES & ABILITIESOkay great thank you GW. It's +1 to your BS btw
>>98200565Space marine genestealies as either the aberrant or abominants. Necromunda Palantine Enforcers for Brood Brothers instead of the Guard to represent the Cult embedding itself into the Hive City's enforcement structure. Any one of the various Necromunda Bounty Hunters for a Kellermorph.
>>98200654>the marines I liked no longer exist.This is both wrong and a lie.Play Horus Heresy.
>>98200623I like them, but I have no interest in HH and they won't mix with my existing old marines so I doubt I'll touch them unless I see some real cheap for some reason.
>>98200655ty anon, dread mob should be fun this edition
>>98200671You're proving the point and being retarded. You're telling me to go play a different game in a different setting if I want to play something that resembles what my favourite army had been for 3 decades before primaris ruined it.
Anyone has more images of old gw gaming tables like this one? Looking for inspiration.
>>98200680Could also scour the old WDs, fairly sure they are online, if not in a mega here
>>98200653>can't defend his deeply-held beliefsLol>>98200654I understand that, but to you what specifically did they lose? Or did they gain something you're not a fan of? What makes the jump to primaris different from jumps between older versions of tacticals to newer ones (visually speaking of course)?
>final day disposition is purge the foeim not killing anything with this detachment, fuck sake gw
>>98200689The differences are not just visual. The army itself is now almost unrecognizable. What used to be the bread and butter of tue army now is ignored or no longer exists. The core principle of how space marine units were designed has been reversed.Purely visually speaking, it's just changing shit for the sake of changing it. I hate how both gravis and phobos look. Tacticus looks fine for the most part but at the end of the day it's just the things I like no longer looking like themselves for no real reason. On top of that the visual change destroys a big thematic link marines had to the heresy and armour progression and development.
>>98200679>You're telling me to go play a different gameIt is not. It plays the same and is better than 40k is now.10th edition alone changed 40k to be something entirely unrecognizable, so at this point you're already playing a different game anyway.>in a different settingIt is not a different setting.
>>98200717Brain damaged nids or just out of reach of the hive mind?
>>98200402As said before, Red Scorpions
>>98200703>The core principle of how space marine units were designed has been reversedHow so?
>>98200747Space marines were designed around a small numbers of core units that could change their equipment to do very different things. They were organized not by specific weapons but by weapon type. Primaris are based around the complete opposite, like Eldar aspect warriors.
>>98199010I was thinking of getting a harlequin model and convert and paint it like hisoka from hxh for fun.
>>98200717I thought normal nids can't live long normally because they're designed for fighting and lack organs to sustain themselves for longer periods, with the exception of jeans stealers.
>>98200747Sneaky Marines before Primaris Marines were just your standard Marines but trained to be sneaky. Now if we want to have sneaky Marines, they have to have special armour and equipment. You think I'm wrong? Dig into Internet and see what was people's reaction to Centurion - the hate was not based only on the disgust with the models design but they redundancy as well. No one asked for Assault Centurions since we already had Assault Squads and Assault Termies. No one asked for Devastators Centurions either since we already had Devastators and Dakka Termies.
>Anons try to explain to a man pretending to be blind what the sky looks likeYou don't need to demonstrate that the sky is blue for the sky to be blue.
>>98200806their*. Redundancy is perhaps not the best word as well. It was more of an immediate pointlessness baked into their very existence.
>>98200813Surely this analogy would work better with some delicious hamburgers?
>>98200798It depends on the bioform. Most basic troops, yes. Ones intended for leadership or subterfuge tend to be longer lived, though it's hard to put a hard number on it. Genestealers are the ones we know the most about, as you say, though some of that is thrown off by the fact that they can hibernate. They're documented as surviving for hundreds of years separated from fleets, on space hulks or derelicts. The hardest facts we have on long term Tyranid life times is that a Genestealer that has metamorphosed into a Patriarch can live actively for centuries.
It's funny watching people here say that primaris don't sell and that nobody likes them.But then everytime somebody does actually post models 9/10 times the models are primaris marines anyway.
>>98200664Not too sure how I would do a space marine conversion desu. Nice idea with the Palatine Enforcers, I might have to look into that and see what ideas come about. While perusing the web store, I happened to notice the various weapon upgrade kits and had the thought that an escher upgrade box could make for a real neato bare arms/catachan brood brother build.>Any one of the various Necromunda Bounty Hunters for a Kellermorph.I love Necromunda models, but sometimes I hate them too. I have a whole squad of Ash Waste Nomads serving as neophytes after all. While there are many really cool bounty hunters and other one off units in the Necromunda range, most of the ones I would be most tempted into converting are resin kits and I have a bad track record when it comes to fucking with resin models.
Just to state the obvious for a moment, Primaris look way better than the old space marines and that's like 95% of all that matters
>>98200824>It's funny watching people here say that primaris don't sellNobody says this. We say primaris didn't need to happen because marines already sold. Marines always sell.>the models are primaris marines anyway.It's the only thing GW sells and the only thing new players can buy. Marines always sell.
>>98200831You can fix the proportions without changing everything else.
>>98200817>delicious hamburgersSteamed hams, anon family recipe>>98200824>9/10So far we have>SoBs>Dark Angels (1)>Old Catachans>Redemptor (2)>Nids>Nids>Old Steel Legion>Old Marines>Old Marines
>>98200824>But then everytime somebody does actually post models 9/10 times the models are primaris marines anyway.>9/10 discount bundles are Primaris>They are cheap as dirt and available everywhereGee I wonder why so many people own them?
>>98200831>look betterHow so?
>>98200854Well "looks good" is subjective but if you showed both to someone who's never seen warhammer I'm sure they'd say Primaris look better. The only time you'd get someone preferring the old guys is if they grew up with them or something, which is probably leading to a heavy bias.
>>98200689minus the aspect warriors problem, one of the biggest problems, and the thing you’re going to look at first on the model is the helmets. kits used to be majority mk7, but they also had a few mk6 with the occasional release giving a few other mks. after primaris and up until very recently, its been the fuckass mk10 every single time which is just mk4 but with its snub nose removed (which gets rid of the sci-fi design showing there’s equipment under the mask), and it gives a very samey feel to all the models.
>>98200858>butconjecture
Bought meself a SMÅSTAD bench drawer to store my mini racks/bags in. It's exactly the right size for a Battlefoam 720.
>>98200834>It's the only thing GW sellsThey are not.Horus Heresy shit is right there and every person keeps saying to me how they all will totally buy that stuff and use it in 40k.And also GW is shilling the fuck out of Horus Heresy too.Like who do you think the biggest consumer demographic for Horus Heresy shit is? Yeah, it is the newbie capeshit redditors.
>>98200858That doesn't explain why it's better or what makes it better.>If you ask the opinion of someone who doesn't know anything they'd prefer XAnd we think uninformed opinions / first impressions are better because?...
>>98200870It doesn't matter why Primaris look better, all that matters is they do
>>98200831You sort of pick the worst looking firstborn model ever there, not really fair.
>>98200870The og ones look like stubby little dwarves they are extremely goofy, no amount of "informing" will change their proportions looking fucking stupid
>>98200879It does matter when we're talking about your personal opinion, presented as "the obvious".
>>98200865Very cool, swimming pool! Enjoy your new furniture, gubben.
>>98200882So old marines look bad because they are old and small, and new marines look good because they are new and bigger.That's a very reductive and narrow conversation.Would you have hated primaris if they were old and small? I'd assume so.
>>98200880Alright here's one with the stupid darth vader mouth.That exaggerated frown was always stupid and I don't know why we ever thought it looked good. Bros looked like Emperor Zerg
>>98200887Thanks broski
>>98200882AOS might be more your speed
>>98200841You forget>purple anon, he has primaris + old marines>O&T, exclusively primaris>Lamentersfag, exclusively primaris>Frozen Flames anon, exclusively primaris
>>98200892The old one is cute and wholesome.
>>98200888not size, proportions, take an anatomy class you spastic tardie.First borns literally look like armored space dwarves with stunted stubby legs
>>98200888Dinky boltguns just don't look good on primaris models.They are too small and look goofy.
>>98200892for reference
>>98200896>you forget>people who haven't posted in this thread>most of which have leftWhat's the point you're trying to make, again?>>98200901>>98200902You'd have hated primaris if they had the old proportions, got it.
>>98200858You didn't actually answer the question
>>98200902???
>>98200907Changing the proportions was the whole point of primarisi do not notice any of the armor changes none are significant enough to catch my eye, they could do without them or do them completely differently, the old proportions looking stupid was my only point.
>I can't believe old models aren't as shiny and new as new models>How come they didn't have today's technology in the past?Is this place being used as some kind of daycare?
>>98200919Again you can change the proportions without changing everything else. Look at 30k, CSM or terminators. Primaris were unnecessary and made the army worse.
>>98200919Anon, that means your vision is severly impared, you need to get that checked. How long have you been postponning your visit to the ophtalmologist?
>>98200919>i do not notice any of the armor changes none are significant enough to catch my eyeThen you're retarded and you have 0 sense of aesthetics
>>98200925I can agree everything else was unnecessary but it still makes it a thousand times better than the goofy looking shit right out of 1992
>>98200896>forgetting sallyfag, the only other primaris poster that still posts here aside from purpleanon unlike the others mentioned retard
>>98200815It was definitely redundancy. The concept was stupid and the few attempts to defend them were stupid like "they're for wall sieges!" which required ignoring the existence of ironclad dreads, vindicators, jump pack marines, teleporting terminators and the various other things marines already do to get around those things. And also remember that centurions were ungodly OP when they came out and dreads/termies had been shit for a long time, so not only were they redundant, they were actively pushing out the stuff people liked and wanted.
playing space marines is a humiliation ritual
>I don't care about the details>I don't care about the bits>I don't care about not needing instructions>I don't care about the size>I don't care about the fluff>I don't care about the units>As long as the proportions are betterHoly fucking christ
Was originally thinking of running the DW army im building up as UM rules wise, but fluff wise he /mydudes/ watch fortress is mostly unforgiven for amazing reasons, so would it make sense to run 'em as Dark Angels rules wise or nah. Not thinking of running any of the named characters unless I convert them to be /mydudes/, or would just generic marines/UM make more sense for running DW as normal marines? Not really a fan of Agents.
>>98200919I think that saying that the armour looks the same is disingenuous, it clearly was not just the proportions that changed with many modelsI know it's gravis but still, it shows how different things have become.
>told to paint these guys the 8th necromunda for the collage>put on the white and skin a bit too thick>next day paint as soon as I wake up and cause massive spills from jitters and tiredness well shit, its looking pretty grim. what are you guys doing for the collage?
>>98200946They look like models of actual soldiers, yes, literally anything with correct proportions would look better than shit that looks like it was made by a six year old 40 years ago.
>>98200960>They look like models of actual soldiersSo do the firstbornYou can keep repeating the same shit over and over, doesn't mean you aren't wrong
>>98200960>old marines didn't look like models of actual soldiersWhat do you think a soldier looks like?>I can't believe old models sculpted by hand for a tabletop wargame didn't have glorious superhero proportionsIt's almost like they weren't made for shitters like you, ay? Funny how that works, don't you think?
>>98200979Cartoon dwarf soldiers maybeJames thinks i am right, i have my primaris nothing you say here to me matters at all lmao>>98200980They were made for souless millennial and gen x faggots that did not care for the art in their media.
>>98200907>You'd have hated primaris if they had the old proportions, got it.>you'd hate the shitty proportions if they still existedYes. And additionally I still wouldn't care about the old designs even if they had primaris proportions. Because the designs are mediocre
>>98200913That boltgun is like 50% larger than what they are actually supposed be.That's the only reason why it looks decent.A heavy bolt rifle would look better however.
>>98200990>I am the defender of art>But I don't care for anything but realistic proportions
>>98200999who are you quotinggood anatomy comes before all else when drawing human characters
>>98200998You are fucking retarded.
>>98201005>good anatomy comes before all else when drawing human charactersI'm not even anti-primaris but this is a toddler takeimpressionist anatomy is much more important than accurate anatomy
>>98201008vile liberalist view of art that got us to where we are today, people look like people go fuck them up in your notebook not for millions of dollars
>>98200990>I own primaris models
>>98200990>James thinks i am rightGW is full of faggots that use warhammer to promote people's manbutt fetish. I wouldn't take their opinion into account.>nothing you say here to me matters If it didn't matter you wouldn't be replying
Would Heavy Assault Intercessors be dumb? What would they be armed with to set them apart from regular assault intercessors?
>>98201019>If it didn't matter you wouldn't be replyingthis lol
>>98200990>that did not care for the art in their mediaPost your models and your birth yearYou are A.) Underage, B.) nomodels, or C.) Both
>>98201019>nooooo don't listen to Games Workshop when it comes to 40k>you have to listen to MEEEEEkekaroonie
>>98201022super chainswords
>>98201005>who are you quoting>doubles down
>>98201015trying too hard
>>98201028I never said it was the only thing that mattersit is the most important thingesl nigger
Really weird questionI fished an old, old plastic ork out of a bitz bin at my LGS and it fucking smells like cleaning chemicalsI stripped it, washed it, and painted it up but it still has like a fucking hospital stenchWas the old plastic always like that?
>>98201026>don't listen to Games WorkshopYes. That is literally the correct opinion in all cases.
>>98201015>that got us where we are today>he says, being the embodiement of shallow consumerismHoly kek
>>98201033you are very 4channy and contrarian anoni wish i was as cool as you
>>98201026This but unironically. Why would I listen to a company that handles a good IP like this?
Guys it's been a decade why are we still fighting over primaris vs firstbornThey're both good
>>98201035I celebrate a return of true art to my products, it means everyone my age is of a like mind, and has had enough with these silly excuses for shoddy worksmanship.
>>98200892Anyone can cherry pick. Instead of picking oldhammer how about the firstborn made with more modern technology. Primaris looks derpy asf, if you just took firstborn aesthetics and modernized them they would mog primaris. And thats why shit like the new space wolves or hurons raiders look so good.
>>98201030>I never said it was the only thing that matters>"Changing the proportions was the whole point of primaris">spends the whole thread talking about the proportions>Says the details/armor doesn't matter, he just cares about the proportions>Doesn't articulate anything other than the proportions of old being bad and the new ones being good
>>98201038It's not contrarian to not like a company with a history of greed and bad decisions stretching back several decadesIf you want fake positivity, then perhaps you should stick to Reddit
>>98201046It is the first step, if you mess up your anatomy nothing else matter, but if you get it right it is not the ONLY thing that matters
>>98201042>true art>praising the most copy pasted banksy version of warhammer to dateYou're the kind of insecure faggot who follows>-= TRVE MODERNITY =-type of accounts on twitter that reposts nothing but little dark age edit of marble statues of men, and it shows.
>>98201045why did you pick a primaris kitbash for the deathwatch veteran?
>>98201047Reddit does not let me say the nigger word or i would.>>98201050I don't have a twitter either, same reason.
>>98201049>Still doesn't name anything elseYou need to be 18+ to post here, bud
Aquilon or allarus? Looks-wise
>>98201059The resin one
>>98201057I talk about what is applicable to our conversation.
>>98201059I like the helmets of the plastic ones. That's the best I can say. I mean look at those feet, it's somehow worse than the IW gravis character and his disco shoes.
>>98201059show me left with right's paint scheme
>>98201063>Still nothingYou can derail all you want little man, but we all know the conversation is about primaris vs old marines and "good art" as you see it.You pick a few too many arguments for someone as clueless as you, which speaks of your own insecurity, source of your aggressivity.
>>98200385Armageddon is Imperial clay
>>98201070you feel owed some sort of conversation i am not going to have with youmy point was made, anatomy is most important apparent with these models that we are talking about. I don't want to talk about art with you, i find you distasteful.
>>98201056>Reddit does not let me say the nigger word or i would.You'll live without it. Go to your people.
>>98201079they gatekeep reddit harder than you're trying now anon
>>98201069
>>98201078>you feel owed some sort of conversation i am not going to have with youNTA but if you bring up a point needed to be proven the burden of proof is on you. If you don't want to give the proof it's on you, at risk of being a babbling retard who can't prove anything
>>98201078>I can't believe that if I open my mouth to say some dumb shit and spend the whole thread being both a shallow and dishonest faggot, people are gonna point it out and give me shit!Lmao what a fucking little bitch
>>98201059>>98201083now show me right with left’s paint scheme
>>98201082Yes they do. And you'll never have to hear another person shit on your pwecious Pwimawis ever again because they're all newfags like you
>>98201075Incredibly based and also true.These will be part of a tiny scene from the defence of hive Helsreach along with some BTs, metal sisters from the Argent Shroud and some random Orks I found.
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>>98201086>art is objective fact where is my peer reviewed article!!!!>>98201087wow you really wanted me to like, rate all my favorite aspects of art or something?i am sorry your heart is just crushed but i am not into you fag
>>98201100>You wanted me to back my bullshit?As if you could, that's the whole point
>>98201100Please comeback when you're 18 or older
>>98201092my nigga
>>98201104show me the peer reveiwed study that shows barrel chested goopy ass space dwarves look objectively better than just normal supersoldiers
Would I be an asshole for taking two of these Gunrigs and putting a ten man Pathfinder squad with Rail Rifles in each? The Railgun calls to me.
>>98201107>peer reviewed studyYou're in it lil nigga. There's more to marines than truescale, and you'll never grasp a jota of it.>please show it to meYou've spent the whole thread showing why we usually don't. You don't spend time being honest with faggots.
>>98201112Who cares if you like it do it
has anyone ever bought artel kits before? hows the quality? also are they like forgeworld cast resin or what?
>>98201112Buy one and kitbash it on a hammerhead
>>98201120im in it and i love primarisas do otherswas that your point?
>>98201127>Us stupid faggots love [thing made for stupid faggots]
>>98201123The quality is undisputable but they tend to go overboard with the details
>>98201112why would that make you an asshole? Its a wargame, if the other guy is complaining that you're winning, then they're a pussy.
>>98201130>noooo my peers can't disagree with meeee!!!kekaroo
>>98201134>peers>GW cocksucking newfaglast (you)
>>98201106Hell yeahSisters are away right now but you get the ideaYarrick probably wont be part of it but ehh
>>98201137>last (you)good, now with that cleared, what are you working on? are you doing anything for the collage?
>>98201006Cry about it, baitnigger.
>>98201131okay, yeah i agree some of the kits i would not get over the GW ones, but there are a few aspects where i think artel does it better (particularly the banshees) and their whole site is like 30% off right now for a summer sale so i've been thinking about it
>>98201139Yarrick wasn't at Helsreach so it makes sense.***'Hero of Helsreach!' the crowd cheers.As if there is only one.
>>98200940I was recently reminded of how terrible of a concept Centurions were even back then when flipping through the 7e Marines codex. They do stand out like a sore thumb, you feel it in your bones they don't fit the rest of the army in any way.
>>98201054I'm glad GW threw these in the trash can.Just awful fucking proportions and design.The new kit is so much better.
>>98201150The minis are exactly as clean as the renders if that's what you're wondering.
>>98201162I think you have bad taste
>>98201166yeah, i've ordered from other casters as well as gotten GW forgeworld and finecast before and have always had problems with resin casts, so i've been gun shy about vendors who use it now, was just hoping someone could vouch for the quality
>98201162
>>98201083>>98201098kino. I’d say go for the right one because the left looks a bit too stretched while right holds to them being bulky bruisers.
>>98201159nta but weren't centurions the first unit to come by 3s? I did like their unique "centurion honour", but they were a really weird unit.>Space marine>Inside>of another space marineReally they should have just been a heavier armor than terminator that could carry more weapons.
>>98201172what faction would the homophobic dog own?
>>98201162>old badNew kit has no shotgun or combi-weapon, the rest is ported
>>98201162kill yourself newslime
>>98201183Imperial Guard
>>98201183marines malevolent.straightest faction in the game.
>>98201177Do people think that gigantic body with tiny head poking out looks cool?
>>98201183slutted out SoB/drukhari kitbashes he would never play with little men
Funny, this threadI just happened to finish my stormravenI just wanted my kitbashed Vulkan proxy to have his own little pimpwagon
>>98201203>coolNot the word I'd use, but I like it a lot, it fits right into 40k.
>>98201203I was shilling primaris all thread but even i won't comment on that travesty
>>98201203yes, it gives me live action mario bros movie vibes.
>>98201208That dude is co fucking cool, the flamer is a bit big, why not a hand flamer?
anybody here ever commission people to paint models?tired of looking at my backlog and i don't know what to expect when going this routei figure i'd finish off one of the smaller armies in my backlog to have some sort of uniformity
>>98201243Why would I pay someone to hobby for me?
Would it be lore compliant to headcanon a Changer Of Ways that fights alongside my csm warband into being their former leader or do daemon princes need to have some unique look to them that necessitates kitbashing?
>>98201243I used to but now I paint my own.A couple of my friends were getting into 40k and one had been painting minis for years so he offered to paint mine up for me. Over time I started doing them all myself
>>98201252Lord of change obviously.
>>98201185I don't give a shit about shitguns or combi weapons.So doesn't effect me
>>98201199I like marines malevolent.Their assholery is so comical it's almost funny.
>>98201252As long as the base size is correct then it's fine, do what you want
>>98201243That would require spending like 5-10x more on the hobby, and every time someone compliments a model I'd have to say "oh commissioned that", which makes you look like a complete twat.
>>98201243Cheaper to get an airbrush and some masking tape/silly putty. There are a lot of ways to paint quickly and easily to a very high standard.
>>98201268exactly, I’m very excited to pick up my armageddon box and tactical squad to get my own small army of them.
>>98201243just buy less plastic?
>>98201212That looks so fucking retarded lmao
so what parts do i need to make a second hive tyrant out of the kit, just the torso?
I had my first game of 11th today, it was alright. Fists vs GSC at 1000pts
>>98201243I bribe one of my friends who likes to paint with new paints and food in exchange for painting my minis. Does that count as commission?
Might be a dumb question but what color(s) are used to paint Ork lips? Most guides gloss over them. Seems like a light pink.
>>98201199They steal other men's seed and steal everything not bolted down.They are both gay and niggers.
>>98201305>lip>glosshehyeah it's pink tho
>>98201291>I see you, you little fuck. >boys! go kill those marines hiding like a bitch.
>>98201289Jeez, I wonder why my mantis warrior company went?>Suspiciously mantis warrior company shaped tyberos:
>>98201291post more pics. which detachment did you run?
>>98201306>They are both gay and niggers. gay nigger space marines you say? interesting…
>>98201199This is the correct answer but not for the reason you might think
>>98201326I ran Biosanctic Broodsurge, my opponent had the Imperial Fists' Emperor's Shield detachment. Patriarch battle-shocked some scouts before absolutely whiffing into enemy Terminator & Terminator Captain unit but the battle-shock prevented my opponent from scoring at least 8 points or so I actually got a good use out of it instead of just preventing strategems. It was a small 1000pts game that took us a good 5 hours to play as we had to refer to the rules and missions all the time. But I like battle-shocked units not automatically passing in the subsequent turn change, it really has an impact now.Goliath Truck did the heavy work for me, in the end it exploded at the centre and killed a lot of stuff of importance.
>>98201075what's your thoughts on the detachment system now that you get to mix the transport detachment with one of the new small ones.
>>98201297yes it does
>>98201288>wheredoyouthinkweare.gif
>>98201351holy shit i didn't realize the goliath truck was so smallit is so cute
>>98201022eviscerators
>Games Workshop plays the OST of Lord of the Rings, the Mummy, Pirates of the Caribbean, Black Hawk Down, etc>Go to game store instead>Hear Pitbull's Fireball and 2 Phut Høn
>>98201219I just had one on hand and BIGGER > BETTER
>>98201392>Pitbull's Fireball and 2 Phut HønBased
>>98201415>bigger > betterAnd yet you collect firstborns...
>>98201434Primaris may as well not exist to meI've had these models since 7th and I'm not buying my army againPlus kitbashing firstborns into shit like Hellblasters and Infernus marines are more fun
>>98201443Utterly and simply based
detachment points are kinda cool then you re-read all your now 2DP subfactions and remember why you weren't playing that garbage to begin with
>>98201364I'll be building lists for both Armoured Infantry + Designation and Mechanized Assault + Designation, I think.Just eyeballing it I don't know how Armoured Infantry can keep up, though. I want this detachment to be great but to me it only seems okay-ish.
So now that we have seen all the factions, who's going to be stuck mostly playing old 3DP Detachments still just because they're too good to pass up? Anyone at all? Maybe EC with Coterie or Eldar with Aspects?
>>98201443>Plus kitbashing firstborns into shit like Hellblastersand the status of those hellblasters?
>>98201474you have to be one of the few lucky armies who were only given 1 3dp detachments. its bad for guard they have like 3-4 3dp detachments and you're going to throw that all away fro what? to give a commissar a 4+ fnp? get the fuck outta here!
>>98201490can you fucking kill yourself alreadythe mutant is dead and gone, stop trying to keep that faggot relevant
>>98201474i like army of faith which got 2DP but i hate all the new 1DP shit they are adding anyway
>>98201495sorry anon, I just wanted him to post his kitbash and thought it would be funny to phrase it like that :(
>>98201494the guard 1dp detachments are really good, though.
>>98201495>the mutant is dead and goneProofs?
Astronauts
Do you think we will ever see another 3DP (or even 2DP) detachment added to any faction or are all the Codexes and stuff just going to be totally filled with 1DP options since they are perfectly templated to fit on one page now?
>>98201520>proofsWe haven't had 18 hours of him shitposting in the general every single day for over two weeks nowThe only way he'd have that type of restraint is if he repainted his walls grey
>>98201517>offico propagandumIs that a thing?
>>98201490Still waiting on the 30k weapon pack for plasmaI got my Infernus marines done and I still have to paint a Contemptor and THAT is also delayed because GW won't ship the fucking weapon pack so I can have two meltas. I love my LGS but I hate ordering through them because of GW
>>98201486mechanized is probably best when mixed for a scion heavy force, since you can combine both detachments to give +1 to hit and wound with them.
>>98201490are you just giving them plasma guns or mixing plasmaguns and plasma cannons
>>98201548>I got my Infernus marines donemay I see it?
>>98201564There were in the original image nigga >>98201208
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>>98201542He also has not posted on reddit in 15 days
>>98201580Did the trannoid discord finally get him?
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>>98201603What
>>98201568ah fuck, mb. I think it was only the sergeant who had a flamer.
>>98200724>>98200798Given the Nurgling hanging out with the 'fex, maybe there's some bio-warp fuckery going on.
>>98200402Mortifactors.>Black>White>Make extra sales on the skulls/battlefield trophies kits
>>98201323Is this some custom model? The head is ugly
>>98200576i find that tournaments may give the wrong impression of the game. it's more fun when it's a casual game with some sort of narrative.
>>98201693Looks like a third party/3d proooonted bit where someone tried to make a mk7 inspired helm. Said it before and will say again, mk7lets are nostalgia-blinded and have no taste
>$32 for cardstock templates.>$25 for a rulebook that isn't even the full rules.GW greed has reached its approximate peak.
>>98200199depending on what changes 11th has made would that mean you could run more fex's because they're separate units?
