Should good-aligned religions require a vow of chastity be taken by their clergy?
No.
>>98201917What of the morality of it though?
>>98201910Fuck off Puckee.
>>98201910How is that relevant to the game you're playing or DMing right now?
>>98201937I'm making a pantheon.
It depends almost entirely on the theology and worldview of said religion. Outside of that, they might require it if the religion thinks a family will give them something they value more than they value their religion, or if a family might be a distraction from their duties.Basically, figure out the religion first, then figure out how they view the role of their clergy in society second, and then you'll have some good guidelines toward your answer.
>>98201948So like a nature religion probably won't have vows of chastity etc.?
>>98201910Their female clerics should swear vows of vaginal chastity but vows of sacred prostitution with the rest of their body. That's how it went down in Tolkien.
>>98201937His "game" is spamming commissioned art and making stupid questions like the one in OP.
>>98201957no, it probably wouldn't. there are many other types of good or neutral religions that might not either.
Fuck off.
>>98201910Fuck no
>>98202060How many IRL religions have vows of chastity among the clergy?
>>98201910Blow it out your ass, Zak Gilmore.
I have a feeling that the discord trannies make these threads just so they can ritualpost their faggotry
>>98202692Many religions have vows of celibacy. This means can't marry. Prohibitions against sex outside marriage mean that a vow of celibacy often effectively becomes a vow of chastity too.Roman Catholic clergy, who are all male, are celibate as are members of professed orders like monks, nuns, friars and sisters who are of one or the other sex. Some RC clergy have transferred from other denominations like Anglican. If already married they stay married but can't remarry. Most men who become deacons do that as a step to priesthood. Men in the congregation might become permanent deacons, they're clergy, but not priests, and may be married.Eastern orthodox bishops must be celibate. Married men cane become priests, but men can't marry after becoming a priests. Monks and nuns like RC church.Jewish priests could marry and have children, but the temple's destruction ended the priestly line. Rabbis can get married through.Islam doesn't have priests. Its various teachers and scholars can marry.Outside of Japanese Zen, most Buddhist monks and nuns are required, after joining, to be both celibate and chaste. Status before joining is unimportant so long as one is not abandoning a dependent such as a spouse or child.Please note that in Tibetan Buddhism lama is not the same as monk. There is no special requirement that lamas be chaste but they are expected to honour the Eight Precepts. One of those is do not commit sexual impropriety. This means a number of lamas breach this by having sex with already married people as well as abuses in the lamasery.Hindu sannyasi (renuninciants) including monks and nuns are supposed to be celibate and chaste. Temple and domestic priests are permitted to marry and have children.Jainism doesn't even have priests, but it has monks and nuns who are supposed to be celibate and chaste after professing.Shinto priests are expected to marry, and their wives can take over as priestesses, but young miko are often expected to be chaste.
>>98201910Not unless you want it to. When you look at major religions, it's basically a tossup on whether clerical or religious chastity is required.Catholics and Buddhists have it.Protestants, Muslims, and Jews don't.
>>98201910No, that's ghost of gnosticism.
>>98202692>>98202904Sikhs don't have priests. Or every sikh is a priest if you prefer to look at it that way.Most Greek and Roman priests used to marry. Priests served (male) gods amngst whom there is a notable absence of virgins. Priestesses served goddesses and were variously required to be virgins or to be married. Priestesses of Vesta were the chaste and unmarried Vestal Virgins but priestesses to Hera/Juno, the goddess of marriage, were expected to marry. Egyptian priests and priestesses could marry.Mesopotamian and Sumerian priests and priestesses existed. Their ability to marry depended upon which god they served. Some had to be celibate and chaste, others could marry or even just serve as consorts without marriage.Germanic and Scandanavian religions didn't have priests. Celtic druids look like they were priests and could marry. Modern days posers can fuck themselves for all I care.It's hard to comment on pre-European contact Polynesians but it does appear there was a priestly order in some way, people who took on a ceremonial role and these people often remained celibate and chaste to preserve their spiritual power. This doesn't appear to have been a formal vow but just something they did but details are scarce.You can research American and sub-saharan Africa if you want or maybe another anon knows more about that than I and is willing to comment.
>>98201910Should you commit suicide? Yes.
>>98202946Gnosticism?
>>98201910>puckee aka redditor pucke℮21 spamming his commission againhttps://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/1j5ot3r/artcomm_sister_althea_human_cleric_by_dennis/https://desuarchive.org/_/search/image/nJCQeA9MiQuu2AvMvA_6Gw/>39 times since March 2025
>>98201910That image looks like shit
>>98201910Kill yourself.
>>98201910IIRC, wasn’t the thing about Christian priests not marrying originally to limit church power by preventing priests from passing wealth and titles down or something like that?Regardless, thanks to >>98202972 and >>98202904 for the info, but going off of what >>98201948 said, what are the pros and cons of this approach from a world-building/storytelling point of view?
>>98201910They should require a vow of rape.
>>98201910No, you're just retarded faggot who can't imagine a good religion that isn't a Christianity stand-in.
Kill yourself.
>>98201910Fuck off and stop spamming your slop commissions puckee-21
>>98202904>>98202972Nice summary. Seems the TLDR is that humans round the world can get pretty weird about sex when it comes to 'spirituality' and the like, it's not just Rome or /x.>>98209506The Church becomes a good way of getting rid of inconvenient heirs. Force them to take holy orders. No more inheritance worries.There's also the all time classic political blackmail plot. Religious leader is voting oddly, sometimes even to the detriment of the church, and it's making him/her even more enemies at court. Reason, of course, is someone has evidence of an affair (love letters, videos, you get the idea). If the PC's stumble across this and deal with it discreetly (like, say, giving said evidence back) they can make a powerful ally, at the very least score a favour or three - or, of course, they can take over the blackmail themselves.
>>98201910Good-aligned religions should send their clergy to hunt down and kill Puckee.
>>98209506>wasn’t the thing about Christian priests not marrying originally to limit church power by preventing priests from passing wealth and titles downI'll offer a different view.Glossing over centuries of clergy marrying, calls by Spaniards to clerical abstinence or celibacy (passed by the Spanish Synod of Elvira circa 300 to 325, rejected by Council of Nicea 325), Fathers of the Church like Saints Jerome and Augustine calling for abstinence, centuries of debate saying the Apostles soon or immediately gave up sex when called, Eastern Church at end of 7th century saying "our priests and bishops are going to keep on fucking their wives and making babies if they were married when ordained", a general trend in the West towards an expectation of clerical abstinence and celibacy despite clerics being married well into the 12th (when marriage by clerics was declared both illicit and invalid) and 16th centuries (when clerical celibacy was finally widely approved of by clerics themselves).Simony is the buying of ecclesiastical office. There was a long history of it. It had been repeatedly condemned and prohibited by canon law but it became very prominent in the 9th and 10th centuries. Pope Benedict VIII in the early 11th century forbade children of clergy from inheriting from their fathers. This reduced a lot of the appeal of simony. It wasn't about reducing church power, it was about reducing the appeal of a selfish practice that had been long practiced in the Church against the Church's wishes.Remember, more than 300 years before this the Eastern Church had said it wasn't going to practice the clerical abstinence and celibacy which it saw becoming more common in the Western Church. The Church itself would want power, a law to limit it is on first look against the Church's best interests. That East and West diverged says it wasn't about keeping power but ideology of what it meant to be a priest.>thanksYou're welcome.>>98211788>Nice summaryThank you.
>>98201910How many times are you gonna make this thread retard?>>98202904How did this stuff come up in your last game session?
>>98201910Depends on the religion.
>>98201910According to you Orthodox Christians are evil aligned?
No. If anything, the clergy must reproduce as far above the average as possible, to create as many future members of the faith as possible who will be raised in a faithful home.
>>98201910What about evil or neutral religions, by that logic?
>>98216337They can marry whoever.
Bumpfag thread
>>98213483Yes
>>98201937It helps with the players' immersion.
>>98201910Not necessarily, but it does help signify that they're good.
This looks like shit
kill yourself
Fuck off
>>98220803Chastity is a good virtue?
>>98201921In the real world it was never about morality you retard. American protestantism's fucked up fear of sex is uniquely insane and not actually part of christianity. Priests were originally forbidden to marry so they'd be easier to move around without them ever forming roots, a loyal servant of the church. Vows of chastity came later and only ever as a sign of devotion, as in about being focused on godly things rather than earthly things, but still mainly so keep priests from getting distracted by relationships, or having responsibilities outside the church. It never had anything to do with morality.
>>98213483yes. but it's because of the christian part not the orthodox part.
