Where did the forced meme of the human male fighter come from and why there's a whole subset of obnoxious and loud shitposters who think making the most generic and milquetoast option is something to boast about in a medium about imagination? Popular non-human protagonist have existed since forever
gee I dunno maybe the past 3000 years of human myth and history had something to do with it
>>98206256The most popular protagonist in media is a male fighter
>>98206277The last 3000 years of history have also been filled with non human protagonist and heroes. What's your point?
>>98206256>why there's a whole subset of obnoxious and loud shitposters who think making the most generic and milquetoast option is something to boast about in a medium about imagination?Contrarianism. Thats literally all it is. 4chan has always been a website that has attracted the sociopathic, the contrarian, and the most pathetic losers ever concieved of. Now that D&D is part of the mainstream, 4chans biggest contrarian losers need to fight against it. Now that nonhuman races/species are popular on most social media and fanart, 4chan must rebel against it by being as simplistic, boring, and one-dimensional as possible.They will call to history and myth, relying on these things to provide a fig leaf of authenticity to cover their contrarianism and inadequacy. They want to be boring, simplistic, and not like the mainstream. Thats it. Thats all it has ever been.
>>98206297>human male fighter>simplistic boring and one-dimensionalSkill issue with storytelling. You belong with bing bong wahoo crowd that makes their horns and tail their entire personality.
>>98206297>had to AI his shitpostWhat prompt did you use?
>>98206326>You belong with bing bong wahoo crowd that makes their horns and tail their entire personality.Says the loser whose only traits are that he's human and a fighter.>>98206337Im sorry you're so stupid you cant write a shitpost and have to offload it to AI. What must it be like to be that retarded?
>>98206297Being contrarianism seems to be correct but it doesn't seem to apply to 4chan or /tg/ as a whole. If you search through the archives many anons have positive takes on different fantasy races. The forced meme of the human fighter seems to be mostly a recent trend popularized by shitposters based on fake perceptions of reality rather than reality. Shit like Game of Thrones is popular with normies more than DnD.
>>98206345Damn, little bro typing away so furiously he forgot his apostrophes. It's not that desperate, Anon-kun.
>>98206256It's complex, yet stupid.Culture warriors suffering a victim complex.They think every D&D game (the only game that exists) consists entirely of sparkly special snowflake tieflings, so they perceive themselves fighting some political war and saving the white race by larping as some badass regular ass dude (now with a helmet for even more self-insertion!) with a sword and a shield.Ironically, the way they portray themselves still has all the hallmarks of a special snowflake. The human male fighter is normal human with absolutely nothing magical or special about them. But yet, with the power of some undefined, nebulous "human spirit", they can kill any dragon, any demon, fuck all the elf women, and be in general the bestest at everything that they want to be.Also, they are dumb dummies with low iq, and therefore can only enjoy fiction while self-inserting. But this is also the 2020s, and the internet kids perceive themselves as high-test badasses despite not accomplishing anything. Being dumb, mouth-breathing, zero-pussy-taking niggers, they play as the simplest class in video games. And since they have protagonist syndrome, and everything they like must also be some kind of statement about how fucking awesome they are, it loops back to point A above. Human male fighter is based because they play that and what they play is based because they are based.Yes, I studied this website extensively.
They want to be contrarian yet wrap back around to being corporate and safe just like the book covers they always post as examples of "returning to tradition".
>>98206256>the most generic and milquetoast option is something to boast about in a medium about imagination?Probably because people say shit like this.Hot take but freakshit races does not an interesting character make. Pretending to be something else is toddler tier creativity. You need something more. A human fighter with a half-decent backstory or more than 1 personality trait mogs the shit out of>idealized me but with scales
Have you not considered that some people just like playing as knights in armor
>>98206287Jesus was a cleric / bard crossclass
>>98206287Goku is a monk though
>>98206370Who hurt you anon?
It's funny all the anti-HMFfags think HMF is some contrarian position when we know from the 5E chart and certain video games that people just primarily play human fighters. They've become so captured by HMF memes and the need to rebel against them that they miss the wider picture that people just enjoy hitting shit.
>>98206387>Hot take but freakshit races does not an interesting character make.And neither does being a simple human male fighter. This is a strawman that contrarians use to dismiss something being not a male human fighter. You can do an interesting character thats not human, not a fighter, and not male. >Pretending to be something else is toddler tier creativity.This is literally all ttrpgs. Congratulations, we're all children creatively!>A human fighter with a half-decent backstory or more than 1 personality trait mogs the shit out of>>idealized me but with scalesIts a good thing most people aren't making those kinds of characters than.
>>98206484>You can do an interesting character thats not human, not a fighter, and not male.You can also do one... that is? What is your problem?
>>98206482>read that as HMAF
>>98206569Stay away from /gif/, bro.
>>98206482The absolute irony.>>98206493There really is some weird double-standard applied to this.They think that every fantasy race is automatically only ever a creative crutch and largely just the race played as a character.People have made very interesting and fun characters, sometimes their race mattered relatively little and that's fine as well.Yet these faggots think that if you take exactly the same character and take the fantasy race away, it automatically is more interesting because...
>>98206425>Jesus was a clericCan you be a cleric of yourself? Anon, are you an arianist?
>>98206588Found the one captured by the memes.
>>98206256Fucking love human male fighters>Uses the core rules of the system. Hitting things and avoiding to be hit>No complex sub system that is the source of the majority of session-stopping court cases>Fits in every setting, from high fantasy to post-apocalypse>Fits every campaign tone (unless it is a game abou a wizard school or something)>Can take a surprise hit, and still be active in the ensuing fight>Can fight at the front, not running around, and begging someone to take aggro so they can do whatever it is they are supposed to do>They will just go through the evil tower to the top, and not bog the session down into a 30 minute argument of wanting to cast Fly and skip it all>Don't need to pick a god in the setting to serve or like, your personal belief is up to you, and not a class requirement.>Gains the most from sick lootOP sounds like someone who doesn't play games, or acting retarded on purpose.
>>98206588>They think that every fantasy race is automatically only ever a creative crutch and largely just the race played as a character.I have legitimately never encountered anyone who thinks like this, but multiple instances (in this thread alone) of people who think a character is automatically more interesting because it has some goofy shit like wings or hirns or blue skin.If you ever encountered someone who did say what you claim, they did so to make you angry, both for their amusement and to hopefully make you self-reflect.
>>98206256its not a forced meme, it's a rebuttal to so-called freakshit.
>>98206256Basically just ignorance and stupidityStart with some nogames culture warriors in 2016 trying to force "freakshit" as a term because... honestly who knows. I think they were mad about pride themed D&D homebrews or something, even though they were unofficial and noone ever used them, but nogames agitants dont know that so they tried to push an incoherent agendaSkip ahead a few years, and they figure out they can push HMF as a counterposition to the "freakshit" position they themselves invented. So now we're two layers of schitzophrenia deep. The obvious problem? HMF has always been the single most popular race/class combo, because mechanically variant human gives you early access to the feats that make a fighter's DPS viable. The spammers never discuss this (or any mechanics) because they've never played the gameLiterally invasive /pol/ refugees shitting the place up, refusing to get jobs and not integrating with our culture
Alright but here's a better question,What weapons do you prefer?A classic shield/sword combo?A big dick greatsword?Two swords?Or maybe something different like an axe? A spear?Or do you use bows and crossbows?Personally I can't help myself, I fucking love greatswords.
>>98206688>I have legitimately never encountered anyone who thinks like thisAnons on this very board.
>>98206746They do it to make you angry anon. Because you hate human fighters. Stop hating human fighters and they lose their power.
>>98206715>because... honestly who knowsIt's racism, anon. This is the whole reason WotC had to pivot their fantasy race stuff - because dipshit culture warriors were saying they should genocide the "orcs" wink wink and claiming that only Grecian bronzes depicted proper adventurers.
>>98206256It pisses off people like you.
>>98206759Nah, but you are trying to make me angry right now.The thread really is bothering you, right?
>>98206715>Start with some nogames culture warriors in 2016 trying to force "freakshit" as a termWhat's weird to me is that the mentality that HMF was for, as someone so eloquently put it earlier, "dumb mouthbreathers with low IQ" was the prevailing Tumblr opinion and just like this thread it was always for the pettiest reasons.
>>98206773>you are trying to make me angry right nowIm trying to figure what your damage is. Do whatever you need to help you cope. I don't care anymore.
>>98206714>it's not a forced meme, it's a forced meme
>>98206256>human male fighter thread>pigdisgusting elf halfbread in OPC'mon, OP, figure your shit out.
>>98206319 how fucking wrong and mad do you have to be to make this kek
>>98206370>Culture warriors suffering a victim complex.>They think every D&D game (the only game that exists) consists entirely of sparkly special snowflake tieflings, so they perceive themselves fighting some political war and saving the white race by larping as some badass regular ass dude (now with a helmet for even more self-insertion!) with a sword and a shield.Ironically, the way they portray themselves still has all the hallmarks of a special snowflake. The human male fighter is normal human with absolutely nothing magical or special about them. But yet, with the power of some undefined, nebulous "human spirit", they can kill any dragon, any demon, fuck all the elf women, and be in general the bestest at everything that they want to be.They're objectively correct btw
>>98206387Your fighter isn't interesting.
>>98206484No you can't. Only straight white male human fighters are interesting. No one else.
>>98206613Nice list of reasons to never play a fighter kek
>>98206688Wings and horns and blue skin make characters objectively more interesting automatically.
>>98207112You sound like you would be amused by jingling keys. Maybe stick to video games.
>>98207186Stay furious humancuck :)
These seemingly contradictory posts 98207096 98207102 98207108 98207112 were made by the same mentally ill person.
>>98206370>Ironically, the way they portray themselves still has all the hallmarks of a special snowflake.Well put. I would add to this that human male fighter shitposter are overcompensating the lack of imagination. Hence the "human fighter" is only against the Tiefling living rent-free in their heads and fucking their moms. It has nothing to offer by itself.
>>98206387>Pretending to be something else is toddler tier creativity.Woah... so this is the power of the human male fighter
>>98207096Ummmmm akshually my human male fighter used to have horns and wings and blue skin (this makes him more interesting btw) but was transformed into a human.
>>98206688To be honest, I think it's because most players effectively play themselves. Usually, unless it's brought up, the race and weird parts of the character don't actually matter.So playing as basically a human dude shortcuts a lot of the weirdness, it's the most 'honest' in that they're just...themselves.Also, human fighters are the most mechanically simple to play, they're the 'baseline' that interacts with the most systems. 'Man with sword' is basically the iconic image of someone who wades into fights, and the armored knight aesthetic is cool.
>>98206319Literally my latest sessions.
>>98207357>the armored knight aesthetic is coolGoddamn right it is
>>98206256Majority of it comes from culture warrior faggots who think they are saving D&D from the freakshitters and storyshitters by constantly repeating the "human male fighter" meme. These people verifiably don't play shit and may have never even so much as downloaded a single TTRPG PDF in their lives.The rest of it is bored shitposters and probably some staffers trying to stir up arguments to make this lame as fuck board look less dead, because arguing about freakshit and combat wheelchairs for the millionth time is preferable to total stagnation, according to the mods.
>>98206688 I have never heard of a single person on this board or anywhere else say freakshit races make a character interesting. I have heard a lot of people say OTHERS say freakshit races make a character interesting. It feels like this entire discourse was made up by people who wanted to feel superior and contrarian to whoever plays tieflings.
>>98207622Most of them don't even object to the idea that non-human races are more interesting at all. They believe that anyone playing a non-human is just automatically a huge obnoxious theater kid faggot and that alone is enough of a problem to seethe about tieflings and firbolgs.
Why can't we have both? Why can't we let people play whatever race they want in D&D? If it's possible to make an interesting character of any race, who cares? There's really no need need to moralize about it.>>98206688>denying people believe a certain opinion, while actively expressing that opinion in the same sentence
>>98207678>theater kidnow that we're at it. are theater kids another of the boogey man of the same people? I have never understood this concept and seems to be a void insult most of the time
>>98206256It became a meme when people started realizing Chad was predominantly playing human male fighter. The haters brought the attention to him, and instead of apologizing, Chad just ran with it.
>>98206737I'd lie if I said I didn't enjoy a big dick greatsword for HMF. A spear would be a nice less used option but most games where I've played a fighter/warrior type haven't really made using a spear viable versus other options.
I want to engage with the topic but the first responses literally misunderstand your point while proving your point as well, so it feels like it's not worth it
The appeal of human male fighter is that it's a you-know-what-you're-getting character, for people who want to jump right in without any bells and whistles. It's not something you suck your own dick for.The people using it as a triumphant culture war symbol are not really human male fighter players, because most of them would literally not give a shit about any of that. They just want to hit something with a sword.
>>98207733This shit is obnoxious and makes me want to side with the strawman in >>98206319It's a fantasy game you fucking faggot
>>982066881. Assume opposing view is absurd2. Therefore, no one sincerely holds it3. Therefore, anyone expressing it is trolling4. Therefore, your reaction to it is the real problem5. Therefore, you should self-reflect (and, implicitly, agree with me)>Deny the position exists legitimately>Attack the person for being angry about it>Reverse Victim and Offender by suggesting their anger is the real issue, not the original provocation
>>98207711They're real alright, but the kind of tables where they thrive aren't ever going to be on the radar of some joyless culture warrior faggot because they'd be too busy arguing about the true way to play D&D, as Gygax intended, on xitter.Theater kids are the kind of players who expect every campaign to be critical role, complete with epic funny one-liners and wacky, quirk-heavy characters who are meant to have a big dramatic arc, but less like a literary arc and more like the kind of "arcs" you see in MCU movies where a character has to deal with some stuff so they can stand up dramatically and deliver and "epic" one-liner to the BBEG, who will make a self-aware joke about villainous monologuing.
>>98206482>It's funny all the anti-HMFfags think HMF is some contrarian position when we know from the 5E chart and certain video games that people just primarily play human fighters.I think you're too stupid to follow the conversation or argument if you think that goes against what they're trying to say
I've always felt that the strong push against not playing humans usually comes with a sense of pretentiousness and I don't really think it meaningfully improves things in a real tangible way given how hard nu-Star Wars pivoted so hard to basically axe most aliens from any sort of relevance or even worldbuilding to the point they barely exist in the sequel trilogy, and the films were not any better than the prequels which on the contrary did a lot to world build and feature aliens.
>>98207912More culture war gripes desu
>>98206292>Used a rogue in pic relBad choice
The gold standard to most of these guys is a story where the main adventuring party is made up of primarily non-humans.
>>98207961There is a lot of pseudo-intellectual dickwaving on this board where people think removing stuff objectively makes everything immediately better. Because they can't create anything themselves but want to feel smart.
>>98207845If I call you a nigger cus i think it's funny and you spend the next year seething over it, who is the one who needs to self reflect?If your answer is me, you're doing what you're accusing me of.
>>98207690>while actively expressing that opinion in the same sentenceAnon reads things that arent there to be angry at them.Learn from this. Please.
>>98207622Literally in this thread you retard >>98207112
>>98207845Thinking like this is why Pepe and the OK hand are classified as hate symbols btw
>>98209212Its so obviously fake it doesnt even try to defend itself. Obviously they LARPed as their own strawmam, they dont actually believe it>>98209191If they get pissed off at you immediately, then i think you should reflect. Nobody said anything about next year.
I read half of the posts here in an indian accent. No way they dont get paid to keep these threads going to shit up the board. Its the same stupid fucking bad faith arguments day in and day out where nobody talks to each other, its just stupid ass strawmen.
Fantasy races are for faggots who are trying to sublimate their real life racial anxieties into a socially acceptable form.Real CHUDES battle hordes of marauding NOGGLERS, PUNCH FEMBOYS and throw scheming KYKES off their tower balconies.
>>98207845>Therefore, you should self-reflect (and, implicitly, agree with me)"Dont get worked up over internet memes" being a famously divisive opinion that must be debated against.
>>98209430Literally just doing what you accuse me of with 0 self awareness.Done talking. You are a robot, a deliberate bad actor, or otherwise unsalvageable.
>>98209439>wdym 4chan has a staff of indians paid to argue with people and drive up engagement?Thank sharty for exposing this shithole.
>>98209474He did so to make you angry, for their own amusement, to raise board traffic and to hopefully make you self-reflect, saar :)
>>98208114How is it at all self-evident that the “furry” is going to have a shitty backstory? What prevents the player from taking the backstory that would work for a human and maybe changing a proper noun or two so he’s from Cattington instead of Humanburg? More important question, why are we supposed to take seriously the opinion of someone who thinks furries are just there to be hot?
>>98209618The anon poisting screencaps doesn't play games of any kind, which is why he doesn't understand why people aren't cheering him on for fighting a poorly made strawman of an imaginary person.
>>98209557Big if true
>>98207378lol middle schooler
>>98207690you'll play the right way.
>>98209696
>>98207832>It's a fantasy game you fucking faggotNothing about this statement implies that you need to play freakshit.
>>98208114No, it's still exotic when you play as it.
>>98209430Wasn't a strawman. Tieflings are superior.
>>98209472Yes, retard.
>>98209707nope
>>98209726yeah it does
>>98209737>>98209744>>98209748Insufferably braindamaged
kek mad
>>98206569>huwite male asian female
>>98206287Mario doesn't wear armor or use swords though.
>>98206277Most of those characters have interesting backgrounds while the whole meme of the human male fighter revolves around the player not putting any effort in making him stand out.
>>98206256Well, the original meme was that if you can't roleplay a normal guy with a sword, then you aren't qualified to roleplay as a 1000-year old dark elf prince with 3 demon gfs. But given this board's talent to run everything into the ground and turn it into a parody of itself, I don't know what it means now.
>>98206256>Where did it come fromTES, that one TSO cinematic where a single knight 1v3s three PoV characters at once and nearly beats them. >WhyThey still remember when Drizzt and his spawn were spammed in every corner of the traditional games world, even in settings where it didn't make sense like Warcraft.
>>98211396Okay, storyshitter.
>>98206256Your character being an uncommon race with an uncommon class doesn't make them unique or interesting.
>>98206256I think the worst part of the human male fighter meme is that the same people who post it are the same kind who see nothing wrong with fighters being the same at level 1 and level 20, while a mage goes from casting magic missile once a day at level 1 to breaking the cosmos's back, fucking it up the ass, and making it humble at level 20 because "muh human spirit" as if their one melee attack at 1d8 is going to keep mattering past level 5.
>>98206292You are full of shit.
>>98212014>Your character being an uncommon race with an uncommon class doesn't make them unique or interesting.Yes. This is true.>Your character being a human fighter doesn't make them unique or interesting.Yes. This is also true.
>>98211396I actually agree with this meme and have encountered the exact issue it is bringing up.
>>98206370>Culture warriors suffering a victim complex.No. Just because the obnoxious tiefling tends to be lgbtqwtf or an ally of that doesn't mean that's the issue. The issue is that person is an obnoxious faggot. Them being an actual faggot or whatever adjacent thing isn't the real problem, unless you're saying they just can't help themselves :^).
>>98211396Both are shit. Bob is just a boring asshole who has no character and is defined entirely by a list of random bullshit he's done and evidently just appeared in his armor one day, was trained to fight by no one, has no family, and not even a belief or allegiance.
>>98212273Bob is a character that is defined by the game. The other one is someone's fanfic.
>>98211396If your character doesnt start at bottom left and end at top right you're doing it wrong.
>>98211396Yep, left is better and keeps getting better every time you post this.
>>98211712of course, there's no such thing as qualified. roleplaying is making decisions, and anyone can make decisions.
>>98212014actually it does.
>>98212273doesn't matter what happened before character creation. that's not represented by the rules written in the rulebook.
>MUH HUMAN SPIRIT>MUH INDOMINITABLE WILL>YOU ARE HECKIN' NOT MADE IN GOD'S IMAGE>LE STARS BELONG TO US>PURGE THE UNCLEAN XDDDDD>*five trillion helldiver, 40k, and starship troopers quotes*I'd honestly not care about human male mary sue niggers if they didn't attempt to project their insecurities onto the rest of us.
>>98206256Original D&D was a game designed for fascist-adjacent STEMlords who wanted to play out their Conan the Genocidal Colonizer fantasies and eventually "grew up" to be Little Eichmanns who helped their oligarch masters build the rotten neoliberal hellscape we're forced to live in or libertarian computer engineers who helped their oligarch masters create the techbrocratic hellscape we're forced to live in. Is that the answer you want?
>>98212711>picSomeone's gotta be the designated jobber. He probably has great healthcare benefits.
>>98212698>REEEE FREAKSHIT>Humans are the best at everything and more special than all the other races because they just ARE okay???
>>98209726Need to? No. It does imply you shouldn't be shitting your pants and sperging around when someone wants to play a fantasy world's fantasy race in a fantasy game, though
>>98212126Exhibit A meet Exhibit B >>98212711
>>98206256cause your imagination boils down to being a faggotatleast human fightesr have personality besides being a human that likes fighting
>>98212780Erm, humanity should be the ultimate apex predator who murders ALL of their enemies without issue, and has sex with ALL of the exotic women who love humans for no reason. No, i'm not a loser attempting to escape my shitty real life into an idealized fantasy where i'm a gigachad, shutup you stupid woke liberal!!!!
>>98212780>>98212822People really do try to have it both ways. Humans are nothing special and have to work for their power, while getting copious plot armor and outdoing all the other races at everything.
The true test of a roleplayer who plays things which are quirky freakshit is to force him to play the Human Male Fighter (or Thief) for even just a one shot. If he can't make it even vaguely interesting then it means everything 'exotic' he add to his other characters is just thick heavy cake frosting with sparkles to add a flat, boring and anemic cake.
>>98212865o then what happens if the player youre shit testing actually performs well and plays their assigned role in an entertaining manner? do you commit ritualistic suicide?
>>98212875No I just finish the one shot and hope their actions prove to the others who didn't 'get' it that you need to do more than slap a quirky race/class combo and that magic sparkly bullshit isn't always the answer to good characters. What you wanted me to write that I do something absurd? Oh wait right you think im just a strawman who couldn't POSSIBLY have a point
>>98206256>forced memeI can feel the OP moron is a Tiefling degenerate
>>98212913sooree saar
>>98206256Traditional games?
>>98206256>tries to talk about male human fighter>doesn't even stipulate brown hairLMAO, fuck off.
>>98212711good, kill whitey
>>98212780Yeah. Stay mad freakshitter dogfucker niggerfaggot.
>>98212780
>>98212711That's actually funny as fuck.
>>98206256The first post answers your question. The human fighter is the most common protagonist by far.
>>98212820Best post.
>>98206256>Who were election tourists and how did they affect this board circa 2017?I will take another for 500, Alex
>>98212783>you shouldn't be shitting your pants and sperging around when someone wants to play a fantasy world's fantasy race in a fantasy gameSweet, I want to play a human male, preferably a fighter class.
>>98212711>posts actual evidence that anti-HMF psychosis has been pushed by WotC's artists for literal decadesThis will be conveniently ignored btw
>>98212711Regdar just reflects the tier his class is in 3e
>>98212568>anyone can make decisionsYou have never worked in customer service.
This thread is making this thing out to be a giant issue worth getting angry over.But actually it's just an issue if you're somehow sperging over other players' race choices at your table which I hope you're not.If you wanna play a human or some very exotic race, just do so. Who is stopping you?If some anon on 4chan is getting angry over human male fighters or furry races at your table, why does this concern you, realistically speaking?t. playing a Minotaur wizard in one and human fighter in the other campaign, 0 fucks given about what other players play at my table.
>>98213938>actual evidenceFor this to be trustworthy, I would need to be certain that this isn't just cherry picked and there aren't tons of counter examples instead. For all I know, there could be thrice as many heroic/competent depictions of human males from that era. And I don't trust people like you not to cherrypick. So don't get all passive agressive just because your meme image isn't groundbreaking news.
>>98213930Cool, and your friends will play fantasy races like tieflings and shit
>>98212820They don't.
>>98213226Asserted without reasoning, dismissed without argument.
>>98213951It is cherry picking. It is specifically that 3.X "iconic" that gets shit one as part of the art and dev team's dislike of him. Redgar was mandated from above when the they had originally planned for the Dwarf Tordek to be 3e's iconic Fighter. There is a lot of other art with white male human fighters looking cool.
>>98213948See >>98207845
>>98213930>>98213956This is the absolute best party composition and its quality scales directly with how insane the HMF is.Posters like OP and >>98206370 will deny this.
>>98206256>why would humans make humans into protagonists>why would men make men into protagonists>why would a class that resembles something that has actually existed by popular
>>98214182Retard.
>>98214052that doesn't adress anything I said.
>>98211364Mario is actually complete bullshit in DnD terms. Not to go all vs wiki and say he can turn on superstar mode when he wants but consider the following:>Mario has superhuman agility that he uses for nigh impossible parkour feats. He also uses this as his main method of attack, jumping so high that when his foot (intentional) or his ass (also intentional) hits the target, they just fucking die>Mario also shows proficiency with martial weapons as a tennis and golf expert. His weapon of choice when he needs one is a fucking two-handed hammer (makes sense when everyone else is already a nail)>Despite this, Mario has been shown using magical items and alchemical reagents to perform impossible feats such as flight, or cast magic.>He has a preference for fire or ice spells, but he can use higher magic such as possesion or cast spells such as Hold Person>He can even use reagents to access numerous wild shapes, each having access to at least his basic physical abilities with additional abilities themed around the form>"Wild Shape" being a bit of a misnomer, since Mario can turn himself into basically anything. He can turn into a ghost. He can turn into an iron construct. He can turn into a Native American. You name it.>Not that he can't use technology. He's can pilot everything from simple motor vehicles to spaceships and has access to a sentient, transforming water pump with jetpack and rocket modes>On top of all of this, he's insanely charismatic, to the point he's the face PC of a multi-billion dollar video game megacorporation>He can invite his mortal nemesis to play board games while they are actively fighting against eachother. His enemies always turn into rivals or turn up dead.tl;dr: can any DnD beat Mario ?
>>98214404>>Deny the position exists legitimately>>Attack the person for being angry about it>>Reverse Victim and Offender by suggesting their anger is the real issue, not the original provocationRing any bells?
>>98214480>Deny the position exists legitimatelyOP has to proof the "problem" is real first.>Attack the person for being angry about itWhere did I do this?>Reverse Victim and Offender by suggesting their anger is the real issue, not the original provocationThere is no victim or offender. This is a thread about class/race choices in traditional games, you mong.OP has the burden of proof. He has to make an argument that this debate affects his gaming table and tell us how. But he obviously can't.You can pull this shit in other hobbies but /tg/ is a very hands on game you usually play in person with 4-6 people you know. The wider online community is 100%, and I mean 100% completely irrelevant for how you run your games and what you play at your table.Old editions of many systems are eternally playable and infinitely modifiable and there's countless new systems and editions coming out. So the "problem", "victim" and "offender" are not really there when you sit down and engage with the hobby.retard.
>>98214548inb4>b-b-but that would make most online discussions about traditional games worthless!! I ned to get upset over what other people do at their table!!!yes, good that you finally noticed.
For me it's male human wizard because I think they look cool
>>98214548>OP has to proof the "problem" is real first.What proof? The thread is enough proof the "human male fighter" crowd are shitposters. The thread was mostly civil before they arrived into full force. After it they turned it in a back and forth of insults and racists dogwhistles.
>>98214626Not that anon but if you're hearing dog whistles then you should probably stop being racist.
>>98206370Saving this post for later. Well said.
>>98214626Ok, now tell me how this affects your games at your table.Does anyone at your table do this?If not, what is the problem exactly?
>>98206370While I definitely agree that these types of people are often behind the human male fighter posting, I also prefer to play that race/class combo but for very different reasons.First of all, I don't really care what other players choose. My player character in a tabletop game is for me and myself only (well and for filling up the frontliner martrial role since most of my group likes to play lowHP casters).So the whole culture war aspect about it is irrelevant to me. Especially because I do enjoy some "freakshit" races now and then too. Plasmoids and Gnomes are some of my fav races and if my DM would finally let me, I'd also play sa tiny pixie or sprite too.Second, I don't make the "nebulous human spirit" part of those characters. But struggling as an "ordinary", non magic character against supernatural foes CAN be badass and cool fantasy to induldge in. And that can be done without turning the character into mary-sues or some chudgroid power fantasy. There's also some truth to the argument, that playing a martial forces you think more creatively sometimes. Many spells that e.g. a Wizard might get are universal solutions to many problems. Featherfall, Misty Step, Invis, charme spells, comprehend languages etc. are very easy, quick and straight forward ways to clear obstacles available early on. As a martial you kinda have to think harder and/or take more risks which can be more exciting and rewarding.Lastly, I already played all the classes at least once and the simple fighter is just what I circled back to after literal years of playing clerics, bards,wizards, warlocks, monks and sorcerors. I also don't have main character syndrome.So there are still some sane human male fighters out there. We just don't wanna associate with the chudgroid MLEs.
>>98214903>I-I'm one of the good onesBro, you're pleading your case to someone who doesn't care. We didn't need an essay on why you and the other 4.5k per 10k play HMF.
>>98214903>First of all, I don't really care what other players choose. My player character in a tabletop game is for me and myself only (well and for filling up the frontliner martrial role since most of my group likes to play lowHP casters).Sounds like you do care. Not trying to be a shit, but saying "I play what I want, but also my group needs a meat shield and someone has to fill that role" just says that you're engaging in the social contract's expectation that the party will work together with the classes picked and choices made with the expectation of cooperation and mutual support.>There's also some truth to the argument, that playing a martial forces you think more creatively sometimes.Emphasis on "sometimes" because D&D, the only place where the human male fighters are even a meme, does not actually give you many tools or options for doing creative things. Sure, they'll tell you that you can swing from a chandelier or beg your DM to let you do a cool stunt, but the rules of the game punish you for not doing your job by lowering your damage per round because you didn't stand still and use as many attacks and bonus actions and other shit to hit something as often as the dice allow. Every turn you spend not doing as much damage as possible is a turn that one of your other party members could get hurt and thus waste resources for the rest of the party. So the game punishes you because you were looking for chandeliers to swing from, because you wanted to try some kind of "daring normal guy using his wits and cleverness to cleverly and wittily save the day" which the game also doesn't support, because it gives Fighters jack shit for skills, Int and Wis are dump stats, and there's very little you can actually do besides basic attacks.>There's also some truth to the argument, that playing a martial forces you think more creatively sometimes.Of course there are. There are also freakshit players who aren't colossal prancing faggot theater kids.
>>98206256>"forced meme"Because the majority of people like to be swingy sword man and others noticed. It's like having Elven archers or Orc barbarians and warriors. It just works.
>>98214626>The thread was mostly civil before they arrived into full force.OP was inflammatory and there was ad hom by the 4th post.
>>98214812>Well said.>"they are dumb dummies with low IQ"
>>98206370>I got bullied in high school and then online: the post
>>98214990>Not trying to be a shit, but saying "I play what I want, but also my group needs a meat shield and someone has to fill that role" just says that you're engaging in the social contract's expectation that the partyduh, I was saying that I don't choose my race/class combo to counter signal some grand woke boogeyman like >>98206370 suggests. Of course I take my IRL friends opinions and choices into account because they matter - online strangers' opinions do not. My argument was that I don't care to make a political statement with my choice like the chuds. >does not actually give you many tools or options for doing creative thingsIn that context, the creative thing in D&D is actually using the adventuring equipment at your disposal. I've seen it a lot at different tables already that everyone has their X's pack from character creation but hardly bothers to look up the items that are inside, let alone brainstorm what you could do with them.>swinging from chandelierYeah, I didn't mention combat because these gimmicks in combat rarely work. It's also more on the DM to create cool arenas with environmental hazards for pushing/shoving/dragging of the high STR fighter to be fun. And that's really not even just a cool bonus for the fighter player, having more vertical, hazard ridden arenas is more fun in general and all combatans (DM controlled monsters included) can make use of them.But outside of combat I always find it more interesting to cross a raging river via items compared to a teleport or fly spell. Building an improvised bridge or trying to get a rope across or building a raft or whatever feel more involved than pressing the magic "I win button" because the former can fail during construction/execution, the spell just works.While finding creative uses for your spells is its own genre of fun, I don't dismiss the profane approach.
>>98206256It started out as a proof of gaming superiority, that you were able to make a compelling and interesting character the table liked, without depending on things like race or class to add culture and context to your character.Unfortunately, the masses of players who kinda know they're shit players, but desperately want to be able to look superior, just took away that making a human male fighter means you're a superior gamer, and the more basic the character, the more superior you are, without understanding why, and that you're supposed to make up for that through RP.Add this to the hatred of 'freakshit', which is basically anons being old, being politicized, or being fantasy racist against fantasy races, and you get the "Humans are the only based option for trve gaming cvads".It's where they went after collectively learning that edgelord characters don't make you a superior gamer and everyone thinks you're stupid for it. Except edgy characters mechanically at least did make for good characters, while 'mudlord' characters are the opposite.
>>98212088Now reverse it and revel in your stupidity.
>>98206737Swashbuckling with one sword or rapier is always cool to me. Finesse weapons have good feats to parry, or deal extra damage, reroll weak dice rolls, and that classic sword-fighting duelist fantasy is my favourite. Nothing against Siegfried but I’m a Raphael kinda guy.Also, slings. If I can use a sling, I will, because doming idiots with a rock is always funny.
>>98206737Melee weapons are for retards.
>>98215126Retards are not worth articulating the obvious any further than that.
>>98206256>destroying the forced memeBy giving it attention you only empower it, retard>fighter You posted a drow ranger, retard.
>>98207108> Fits the setting, theme and tone>> Fuck no!Huhuh. Noted.
