We have been having fun with light mechs and really BT has so many mechs, why not do them by tonnage? So of all the 40 ton mechs, which is your favorite?
Sadly, there are no good 40-ton mechs, due to the vagaries of the mech construction tables. If I had to pick one, though, I'd say the Vulcan 5T, just because I enjoy warcrimes. Though, to be fair, it is still less effective in that role than the Firestarter, albeit a bit less squishy.
>>98212416Phantom exists and is good.
>>98212369>>9821241640 tonners start to get a lot better when you start looking at them as bully mechs. They don't win fair fights, you either have them pick on mechs smaller than themselves, or buddy up with a bigger friend to take on targets together, allowing the 40 tonners to get some cheap shots in. For me, it's the Cicada. Big enough to bully light mechs, fast enough to avoid mediums. The 3C in particular is a top contender for 3025 mechs.
>>98212416The Griffin IIC 8 says Hi. 6/9/9 movement, 7 tons of clan Ferro-Fibrous armor, 2 Heavy ML, 2Streak SRM 2 and a ER LL.It can be an issue, especially as a medium and light mech hunter
>>98212450Pretty much all the post 3050 models are pretty solid. Most are up armored and have more firepower. The 3G is kinda a sweet spot, 3 more tons of armor 2 ML, and ER LL and an active probe.
>>98212421Phantom and the pouncer are both fun
>>98212369Arctic Wolf
>>98212489Good choice, any load out you like best?
>>98212369It's not the best but I really like its look.40t doesn't really have that many good options, it seems to be in an awkward spot where some lighter mechs do lighter mech stuff better, while heavier mediums do heavier mech stuff better.
>>98212416I just want some 40 ton 5/8/5s taking advantage of that 200 engine efficiency.
>>98212672The ppc variant is excellent
>>98212672That new art is so sweet. It needed it so badly and they did the boy good. I think the 3Lb is likely the best version
If we're talking strictly 40 tons, probably Clint although it sucks ass. If we can go to 45 it's Vindicator, no contest.
>>98212787Capellans really have the best mechs. Vindies, Ravens, Catapults in greater numbers than the other houses.This is why I can't hate them.
>>98212787The clint gets style points. You ever looked at the clint IIC?
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>>98212824Not really, clan stuff just doesn't do it for me. Agreed that the base Clint has character.
>>98212876Very early clan mech. It's just a pure out clantech clint. 6/9 speed, 7btons of standard armor an LB 10x w 4 tons of ammo and 2 ER ML
>>98212876There should have been an electronic warfare variant of the Clint. Beagle, ecm, tag, communications equipment, the whole 9 yards. >the ELINT Clint, if you will
>>98212369Raptor II RPT-2X variant for being a rare gimmick mech who's gimmick kind of makes sense.
>>98213895the closest you get to that is the IIC 2 with an ECM
>>9821236940 ton is too restrictive, I would have said mediums in general. The Hermes is okay, but going up 5 tons gets you so much better shit>Hatchetman>Fat Hollanders>Firestarter Omnimech>Phoenix Hawk>VindicatorAs for my favourite in each weight class for mediums 40-55 in 5 ton increments>HermesIt's not horrible for a pseudo-light mech>VindicatorA very solid trooper mech to act as part of the backbone of a lance or regiment, which is it's canonical role to boot.>NightskyFast, lethal, and with a melee weapon to stab heavies in the back>WraithHighly mobile and pulse lasers are always useful. Especially because a lot of 55 tonners are so slow they feel like they might as well be heavies.
>>98213903It is weird sneaky little scout
>>98214134I planned on doing 45 next. The point is there are a lot of mechs, so I thought it would be fun to explore all the weight classes. There are 49 base models of 40 tonners, that's not even counting all the versions which easily push it to 150 or better.That is a lot of options
>>98212416If all you play is introtech they are not really a great weight class outside the likes of the Whitworth which is a really underrated missile boat. If you play with advanced tech there is a lot of glorious options available.If you go for the cheap route there are plenty of hard to kill but effective trooper designs like the Daimyo, Sentry, Strider and Watchman. Before magnetic clamps the Strider is a very cheap BA transport and the Daimyo offers a very cheap C3 master option. Sentry and Watchman are great garrison and militia mechs.If you go for more advanced tech then you start into the designs that do 7/11+ and harass the hell out of opponents. Generally they carry enough firepower to be a nuisance, the speed to get themselves out of trouble, and armor that can typically withstand a heavy ppc or gauss outside of arms without the whole design breaking the bank. I personally like the Sha Yu because of the annoyance it can be and it isn't even the best example at this weight bracket.>>9821245040 tons offers a lot of options where whatever is smaller than it they typically outgun and anything with enough firepower to stand up to them they can outrun. So yeah very much a bully mech.>>9821416155 tons will just be Griffin and Wolverine fags having a fight.
>>98214635 >>55 tons will just be Griffin and Wolverine fags having a fightSo many better options at 55
>>98214641>So many better options at 55True, Dervish gang rise up!It is the traditional rivalry though on /btg/
>>98214134>going up 5 tons gets you so much better shitGoing down 5 tons gets you better shit too. >Jenner>Panther>Firestarter>Firebee>Toro>Hollander>Wolfhound40 tonners are in a weird spot, the same one 60 and 80s are in. Bottom of weight class always seems to flounder compared to the top of the previous class, my kuritan ass always struggles with Dragon v Wolverine K for a example. I call it Zeus syndrome and I'm sure there's other names for it. When you're in that zone you need to pick a role and focus on it, like the Awesome or the Osts, maybe the Rifleman.All that said my favorite 40 is the Whitworth. Yeah it's two Valkyries taped together, a diet Dervish, a baby Catapult, but it has a job that it can actually do.
>>98214721Honestly I feel like the notable 60s are better than the notable 55s>Shadow Hawk>Wolverine>Dervish>GriffinVs>Dragon>Ostroc>OstsolQuickdraw is shit but still feels like an improvement over the 55s and the Rifleman has a shitty base/introtech version but good variants.
OP here. I know you get better options going up or down 5 tons. Which is why I wanted to hit them like this, because they get ignored and overlooked. There are 49 40 ton mechs. They deserve a little discussion IMO.>>98214721 Whithworth has long been a favorite. The base model is pretty solid little missile boat
>>98214762Sure but with this breakdown discussion is too restrictive. It means we'll have another 7 threads or more and during them you're only focused on a fraction of mechs. I get what you were doing, I just think debating just 40 tonners is too restrictive.
>>98214777>We might have too many quality threads with actual mech discussion with out interludes from shitters like Manic and Bottom, you MUST stop this!What's your favorite 40 tonner anon?
>>98214788None, they're all trash. Even the good examples given are just "Sure you can get a mech that's better armed, better armored, and the same speed for 5 tons, but it's useable." And again, more to the point that means if someone wants to discuss 55 ton mechs (which are far more popular) they have to wait for three threads.
>>98214777I can sort of see his point when medium mechs in particular offer some of the most diversity of any weight class and 40 tons is indeed overlooked but yeah should just make a medium weight thread for all.
>>98214777You are free to think that way, I believe a group of 50 mech, which is over 159 with the different models deservers discussion and has a ton of room for discussion. If you can't pick a mech you like put of a 150 options, I don't know what to tell you.
>>98214817More like I'm more interested in less strict comparisons and would rather not wait nearly half a dozen threads before reaching heavy mechs.
>>98214753I think the Shad's bringing the average down, which sucks because it's the Dougram. I have tinkered with that chassis trying to get it to do anything, heartbreaker mech. I do use the K in calvary lances as a 5/8 PPC carrier that can keep pace, but most of the work is done by Wolverine Ks, Dragons, or even Crabs or the Pixie K.That's a talk for three threads from now though. I'm predicting Vindi v Pixie in the 45 department, maybe Blackjack talk, but there's a lot of good 50s so we'll see. Cent AL is my pick for 50s.
>>98214949Then feel free to make a medium thread or what have you. I just found we overlooked so many cool light mechs because it covered like 150s, over 700 if you count configs. And it would have happened here because 40s are the oddballs
>>98214753>Saying the Dragon is Better than the Wolverine, Griffin, or QuickdrawBro what? The Dragon is hot ass. The Grand Dragon is good, but to say the Griffin and Wolvie are worse is baffling. At least the Quickdraw can be a ML boat, the Dragon has a garbage loadout, it's basically a fat Shad, and the Shad sucks.
>>98214965I'd say the issue for the introtech versions are twofold>One of every type of weaponYou'll never maximize firepower if your arsenal consists of an LRM 5, SRM 4, AC/5, and a medium laser or something>No specializationThey are all 5 movement 3-5 jump mechs that do meh damage and have okay armor, and generally a diverse weapons mix. For five more tons you can swap out say a Shadow Hawk with an Ostroc which has the same groundspeed, 2 LLs, 2 MLs, and an SRM-4, far better damage than an AC/5, ML, SRM-2, and LRM-5. Is three jump jets worth that difference in firepower?
>>9821502320 40 60 and 80 tons could be their own thread but only cause they make you think more about the designs at those weight classes due to the cursed tonnage factor and if you are doing it wait till the last thread diesEverything else deserves to be unified.
>>98212450What is the use case for picking a cicada over the humble and reliable locust?
>>98212416>there are no good 40-ton me-How I know you are an inner sphere freebirth without saying you are freebirth.
>>982153548/12/8 ER PPC that can laugh off a gauss rifle?
>>98212369Assassin, and I'm not joking. It only really shows its worth in campaign and double blind stuff, but it's a very mobile machine with a useful tool chest that completely obsoletes the bugs. Load inferno for the SRMs to burn soft targets behind the frontline. Load smoke or keep regular LRMs or mines for harassment. Medium laser is there for backup. It's not a world beater but it's full of sovl.
>>98215495What are your thoughts on the ASN-99?
>>98215396I know clanners are dumb, so I'll make it simpler for you. Every 40-ton mech is inferior to BOTH a 35-ton mech with a similar loadout AND a 45-ton mech with a similar loadout.
>>98215728So which specific 35 and 45 ton mechs are superior to the Viper iyo anon?
>>98215396Viper is a classic. >>98215495Assassin is under loved. The 109 gives it stealth armor and an Angel ECM. Which is kinda nice
>>98215741That guy has a real hate on for 40 tonners
>>98215812The one shot SRM2 on the 109 is such a waste of tonnage. An ER Small would have worked as a lovely little backup.>>98215845I fear he must have been molested by some.
>>98215537The sword is fucking dumb but it's not useless as a variant. Unifying the missiles isn't a bad idea.
>>98216006I am never a fan of the One shot SRMs, rockets either honestly.
>>98215845Hating the 40 tonners is fine if it serves as a jumping off point for more mech discussion. But all he does is have a clittyleak melty about muh 40 tons. Looking at his statement, we should expect that the Viper gets mogged by the mechs above and bellow it. But when you look at the Clan General, the only two omnis in the clan invasion above and bellow it are the Adder and the Ice Ferret. The Adder is much slower than the Viper and serves as a sniper. This is in direct contrast to the Vipers role as a Skirmisher and BA taxi. The Ice Ferret is a better competitor, but its slower and doesn't jump, so it can't totally replace the Viper.
>>98216033OS missile launchers I have never ever found worth it even for BV or cost. RL though I do actually kind of like even if I rarely use them myself mainly on lighter mechs where tonnage is at a premium and I like them on fast movers. A backstab from an SRM6 for example might cause a lot of trouble on a good roll but a successful backstab from an RL20 is almost certainly guaranteed to cause your opponent to feel it.I am surprised Targe anon hasn't shown up to this thread
>>98216034 It opens up a little more post invasion but the viper is solid and still in production in the dark age.not sure what the guys issue is, but there are some solid 40 tonners>>98216389RL make sense on some mechs. The low budget ones for sure.
I want to like the Carrion Crow but I am just not feeling it with those configs. Needs a lot less weapons that can explode on it.
>>98216842
>>98216847>quarter tonsHow old is this chart?
>>98216880Some people still use fractional accounting.
>>98216034>But when you look at the Clan General, the only two omnis in the clan invasion above and bellow it are the Adder and the Ice Ferret.Sounds like the issue is there not being many clan omnimechs in that weight class. He specified "with a similar loadout."
>>98215396>>98212450So, Cicada CDA-3F or Viper alt. config B? Which do you like better as a speedy ER PPC sniper?
>>98212672Came to post this. I take a Sentinel 4D (on paper) every single game.
>>98217080Viper does more damage with the PPC and can Taxi BA, so it probably wins out, but the Cicada is significantly cheaper, so you can dedicate more to your front liners who can actually fix the enemy allowing you to get your backshots. Ultimately, Viper is better, but by a pretty narrow margin, especially given its IS vs Clan tech, which isn't a fair comparison 1v1
>>9821472140 seems to get it the absolute worst. Because while 60 and 80 tonners may be sub-optimal, a Dragon, Lancelot, even a Quickdraw is nothing to sneeze at. Same with 80s outside of the Charger you have stuff like the Thug, and the Thug is great.The thing that kills them is paying medium costs for a mech that wants to be a fat light. 60 and 80 tonners are called fat mediums and heavies respectively, but because tonnage is at such a premium in the lower weight brackets 40s feel more like skinny mediums. You don't have the armor to go slow, and you don't have the tonnage to go fast either. It's really the worst of both worldsAll that said the Arctic Wolf is disgustingly powerful though I do concede that it is entirely clantech that makes it so good
>>98217625I feel like a 40 ton trooper mech would be fine>4/6/4 speed>2 LL>14 heat sinks>Max armorRuns a little hot, but otherwise good, can swap one or two large lasers for medium lasers and/or some missiles depending on how introtech you want your design to be. The issie with most 40 tonners is tjat they try to be fat mediums which is really bad in introtech without XL engines so you pay a premium for speed at higher tonnages. Even the charger can be made decent with XL engines let alone endosteel and ferro-fibrous to reduce weight.
>>98212369From an aesthetics and 'fits my personal autism' angle, it's the Vulcan for me. I like jumpy, light harassers and the lean, mean look of the Vulcan speaks to me for whatever reason. Too bad AC/2s are abysmal dogshit on table but I've had fun piloting one in MW5 and MWO. Cicada's a close second. Love my little baba yaga dude, and peaking around with a PPC to annoy people with is a lot of fun.
>>98217678>I dropped my pic I bet the Sea Foxes are responsible for this.
>>98212450i wish someone would make the 6 ERML version from MWO canon, that would actually make the cicada of my dreams come true
>>98217677This is battletech man, we don't do sensible things like that
>>98217855The sensible thing for a 4/6/4 would be to make it a 75 tonner and gain something like 18 extra tons of weight to play with. Even with the heavier jump jets, you'd still have 16-17 more tons than a 40 tonner.
>>98215396I forgot the Viper was 40t. For clanners, it's definitely my pick, one of my fav looks on a mech.
>>98217678Glad someone picked the vulcan. It's a fun little scarecrow
>>98214635I love the Sentry! It's kinda cheating to use SPLs and DHS since I think most people are talking introtech 40s.Its only real flaw is half-wasting the CASE by putting the PPC on the same side so you lose your biggest gun even if the CASE stops the MG ammo from killing you. (Then again a militia mech should probably be retreating if it loses a side torso and the pilot is still moderately injured from even the CASE'd ST explosion)>>9821472180 at least has the Awesome, Thug, and the Victor benefits from JJ tonnage not increasing till 90. (or was it 85?)
>>98214965>That's a talk for three threads from now though. I'm predicting Vindi v Pixie in the 45 department, maybe Blackjack talk, but there's a lot of goodWyvern is nice. Its IIC is disgustingly evil, but even the base models are mean. >>98218389Paid inker to draw a version of the sentry with the PPC moved to the ST. (And clan MGs to double them up.)
>>98218389>>98218398If you wanted to downgrade it to introtech I guess drop the SPLs for heatsinks, the CASE for one more machinegun and otherwise run it as is. Wait, shit. It has endo steel. Fuck. Guess you also need to drop that PPC down to a large laser. But on the upside you can probably get away with 11 SHS and add back a medium or 2 regular smalls.Not great.
>>98217825The 3P is a Heavy PPC backed by 4 ERML>>98218389>It's kinda cheating to use SPLs and DHS since I think most people are talking introtech 40s.Which is why people need to be flayed with porkpies. 40 tons offers loads of opportunities with standard tech alone.
>>98217951My design costs 2,695,093 and gives you two LLs. A 75 tonner with the same mobility and max armor would get you 3 LLs and 19 heat sinks or 4 LLs and 14 heat sinks costing 6,772,500.Plus the point of a trooper mech is to be a relatively cheap workhorse
>>98217677Take a Hermes II HER-2SRemove the AC/5Put LL in CTAdd extra ton of armorAdd three extra heatsinks and move all to legs to match original lore of them being on the feetInstant nice little introtech trooper to bring glory to the Purple Bird.
Once upon a time I did some brainstorming with a 40 tonner of clan origin. Turns out you can run a 7/11/7 mover with 10 er small lasers hooked to a 1 ton targeting computer, alongside 20 machine guns, and it all fits pretty well for like 1825 bv. I called it the shredfucker, and it could kick out a theoretical 90 damage on a low heat alpha. 280 engines, my beloved.
>>98219912Easily a +4 TMM as well. 7/11 is the blessed movement bracket.
>>98212416Excuse me sir, your Carrion Crow?
>>98220172The Ravens have been doing some weird stuff in the dark age
Phantom, I'm a sucker for mechs that looks like they're holding guns.
>>98219912>Spam small/medium lasers>Surprised you can output a ton of damageWhen designing custom mechs I tend to limit of 2 on small/medium lasers because they have such a massive damage output for their weight and heat that you can just spam them and as long as you can get into range you can liquify anything.
>>982204799/14, 6 tons of armor and so many configurations. What's not to love?
>>98220603Yeah, the point is I was playing around with different ways to optimize a 40 tonner. It is not surprising that energy weapons were involved.
>>98220203They got their hands on Ferro-Lam armor and proceeded to build some of the nastiest mechs in the catalog with it. War Crow, Carrion Crow, White Raven, Charger C…>>98220479Phantom is cool, kind of annoyed that it took me this long to get my hands on one because it’s a really nice battle armor taxi. I just painted up this guy over the weekend.
>>98220902I have been pleasantly surprised by how much I have enjoyed the Dark Age /Ilkhan stuff. Sure it started off bad but they actually turned in around and made a fun era with lots of fun new machines
>>98221045Later stuff is cool if everyone tries to play with bullshit>Improved jump jets>VSP lasers>Heavy lasers + targeting computers>PPC CapacitorsThe issue arises when bullshit modern tech is only used by one guy and people refuse to accept that pure clan era stuff is largely obsolete just like introtech stuff is made obsolete by post-helm and clantech. If one guy is sticking to 3060 tech and the other guy is having assault mechs bouncing around with 6 IJJs and a bunch of heavy lasers or VSPs than the ilclan guy will dominate just like if you have a guy using 3050 clan mechs against a pure introtech force of single heat sinks and random LRM 5s/SRM 2s.
>>98222219You roll with what you like sometimes. I like to build my lists with era appropriate gear. Remember this is post jihad, post Republic. There are not a huge amount of those old dudes still around. Folks that put them in storage have upgraded. Outside of periphery worlds you are not seeing a huge amount of older gear.
>>98220172>bird/plane body>humanoid legsAbomination! This mech needs chicken-walker legs.
>>98218953Like I said I've tried to make mine. 5 MGs and a large laser. It's weird but I think it MIGHT sorta have a niche?>>98218441It's kinda just a worse (But a bit tankier maybe.) Phoenix Hawk twisted to some sort of infantry support weirdness.
Would anyone be interested in a thread where we could put our design challenges? Like it would be like trying to bid for the contract for whatever the requirements were. Might be fun, we could even set a date then vote to see which design "won".I recall doing those on one of the old BT forums.
>>98222480Could always test it out here or in the main btg thread. I always like design contests.
>>98222480did someone say LOWEST BIDDER
>>98222480This is actually a really good idea. Working on a template for the next general rn.
>>98223263>>98223276>>98223299Glad you guys like it. It feels very on brand for BT. Some is always making something trying to get sells or win a bid.
MECH INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX>OverviewYour company has been contracted by a successor state to commission a mech. You have 48 hours to construct and submit a mech design in megameklab alongside a sales pitch for the mech. The bids will then be compiled and voted on by Anons in the thread to determine who gets the contract. Voters should consider the mech's cost, effectiveness in the desired role, and the fluffiness of the sales pitch and description. >RulesYear, tech base, and tech level to be used for the mech will be specified in the scenario, and should be followed. Positive quirks must equal or be exceeded by negative quirks, with no more than 6 quirks total.Adherence to the desired combat role or budget are not necessary, but may impact how anons vote on your design. >Formating Mech pitches should be formatted as follows:Chassis ModelRoleWeightBattle Value at a 4/5 pilotDry Cost in C-Bills Sales pitch Example:Locust LCT-1VScout20 tins4321,511,200 C-billsThe Locust is one of the most common BattleMechs in existence, having been in continuous production since the design was first introduced by Bergan Industries in 2499. One of the smallest 'Mechs ever built…Lemme know if there is anything else I should add.
>>98223343Looks pretty good. One question, what do you mean by "dry cost" in the formatting?
>>98223368In MML it will give you the dry cost C-bill value, so that's what I wrote down.
>>98223385that is the wrong picture
>>98223385Fair, I guess so never paid attention to what they called it. Just kinda zeroed in on Cbill and the numbers
>>98222480Light thread was fun when PPC and pulse fag got BTFO by the superiority of the gauss Hollander.
>>98223891Most of the testing seemed to put Spider/Venom and Hollander on similar footing. Never tried a weapon swap hollander and could post some testing in here.
>>98223343>year: 2500 (introtech)>chassis model: CST-1 Crackshot>Inner Sphere>weight: 30t>BV: 550>role: sniper/security>cost: 1,927,640 do you hate getting up close to your enemy? do you like personal space? do you hate doing maintenance on finnicky energy weapons?say no more, tightfist security has the perfect way to keep nosy neighbors out of your propertythe crackshot is our budget solution to your security needswith its long-barreled AC2 cannon, you can hit trespassers miles away without leaving the safety of your homeand with a pair of LRM-5s, you can clean even the toughest of protestors who dont start running after the first shell landsand if you sign up for our lifetime plan for proprietary autocannon shells, you get one ton of LRM ammo ABSOLUTELY FREEremember, here at tightfist security, we never let go of our customerdisclaimer: tightfist secuirty is not responsible for any harm that may occur from fighting other battlemechsTnCs apply
>>98224182It was really interesting for the cost in C-Bills there really was nothing on par with the Hollander. Spider and Venom matched it but didn't do nearly as good and they both cost more. Which I find could lead to an interesting challenge, can anons build a mech for 2.5mill C-Bills or less that when in a lance beat a single angry Clanner?
>>98224668A good first contest for >>98223343. Might want to include some criteria that are a little less general.With the clan invasion your company has been contracted to develop a cheap battlemech for the Draconis Combine to defeat superior and heavier clan battlemechs even in the hands of inferior pilots.>Rules>Standard Tech Base>3051 Design Year>Maximum cost of 2.5 million cbills>Must have enough ammunition to allow for at least 15 turns of max firing>Must have heat build up of at most +8 heat buildup when running/jumping and alpha striking with all weapons regardless of facingBonus>The Draconis Combine desires to utilize and propagate its latest technology and designs will be preferred utilize the C3 system. If utilized separate C3 Master and Slave variants may be created which will be used in testing as a combined lance of 3 Slaves and 1 Master.
>>98224845I'd also add can take up to 4 quirks but must be balanced between positive and negative.
>>98224845I'd probably suggest 12 turns of max firing for the madman that wants to try making LRMs viable if you do decide to go through with it.I'd also be up for testing the designs in megamek if anons want to see how they might fair against a retarded opponent?
>>98223891Oh yeah, the hollander was great at what it did for its price point
>>98224845Oh this is a good one, very early invasion with a low c-bill cost.
>>98224845Nice one anon, I'll play my own game. Tanto-01Sniper25 tons Easy to Maintain, No/minimal Arms, No ejection system689 BV 2,361,250 C-billsMost Honorable Coordinator, the Tanto is the answer to the Clanner question. Cheap, reliable, and abled to be deployed en masse, the Tanto is designed to beat those Clanners at their own game. It's weapons payload is elegantly simple, and thus easy to plan around as well as repair. A single ER PPC allows the mechwarrior to engage at a Clanners preferred range, while it's 20 double heatsinks keep it ice cold. It is well armored and reasonably swift for a mech of it's size, ensuring it can keep pace with all formations, while also being able to take a hit or two.* Additionally the inclusion of a C3 slave in the head makes it perfect for a green recruit, as if included in a C3 network with a spotter, it will help raw recruits shoot like crackshot veterans. Plus, it's inclusion also meant the removal of an ejection system, sure to boost resolve and prevent flightier recruits from disgracing themselves. Time is of the essence my lord, and with your approval, mass production can begin immediately. Don't wait, act now. Our future, and our Honor, depend on it. *hits must come from low damaging weapons. PPC's and Gauss rifles may cause serious damage or destruction to mech and mechwarrior, employ responsibly
>>98225337The ER PPC isn't standard gear, but you could swap it out for a PPC
>>98225337>The ER PPC isn't standard gearIt is according to MegaMek
>>98225373And Mordel
>>98212369>>98212369Assassin ASN-21It has won me more fights than I have ever expected it to by somehow irritating folks who should definitely know better>Jumps 7 into some trees behind the opfor lance >misses an ignorable LRM-5 shot to something's rear armor>Somehow causes folks to lose their minds and split their forces chasing it, (I don't know why folks do this, but I see it happen more often than not in all of the circles that I have played in)>Go on offensive while the group is split, enjoy an easier fightThe ASN-21 is the second best introtech light mech coming in behind (almost all of the combat VTOLs)Unfortunately it is a medium mech.Also it could do with having two hands for the rare scenarios that need a quick mech to pick something up, there it's outperformed by the Spider 5V
>>98225654>>Somehow causes folks to lose their minds and split their forces chasing it, (I don't know why folks do this, but I see it happen more often than not in all of the circles that I have played in)I have also seen this happen with the AC/2 - people fucking seethe over it, and will focus down units who have it to an unreasonable degree. I think its a combination of the phycological stresses of getting hit without getting to hit back as well as feeling the armor get whittled down for no good gains. Combined with fears of rear armor breaches in your case, it's actually very hard for players, even veterans who should know better, to resist trying to stop the threat.
>>98212872Sex
>>982248452,434,063 C-bills
>>98226026Battlecobra is great
>>98225654I like how your experiences of it is essentially how it was used in lore. In any era where say pulses exist the thing is a deathtrap but in an introtech scenario? 7/11/7 is god tier and offers up a lot of harassment options.
>>98224845Officers of the DCMS I present to you the new backbone of the light 'mech corps, the Outrider. The 'mech is built around its only armament of a pair of highly accurate ER Large Lasers giving it significant firepower out to extended ranges on a light, low-cost platform. The speed of the Outrider allows it to keep pace with most medium battlemechs where they can act as low-cost snipers and harassers added onto otherwise heavier lances or work in tandem to quickly eliminate enemies with an accurate fusilade of laser fire. In order to ensure its survivability the armor is primarily focused on the frontal torso, with the minimal arms being kept as light as possible while the cockpit is kept at an efficient size, allowing the 'mech to survive even a direct hit by a gauss rifle or a barrage of missiles or smaller lasers.Overall the Outrider provides the firepower, protection, and mobility of a medium battlemech at the price and size of a light battlemech.(If the dual accurate weapon is considered OP can be swapped for dual stabilized, but the cost/rebate is balanced.)
>>98225099Main point of that and heat rule was to avoid kamikaze mechs and ensure that mechs would be something that could be useable in a wider battle than just a 4 v 1 skirmish where 5 turns of firing is plenty or where you can just overload your mech with heat to cripple the enemy and liquify your pilot.
