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What a fucking retarded TQ. What kind of discussion were you hoping that would promote, you jackass?
The crusade now has a trebuchet to flatten our enemies.
You didn't fix the vandalized OP. You had one job. Good work, retard.
>>98212211>Skeleton pavise crossbowmen Yes. YES!>>98212540>vandalized
>>98212552Yes, faggot, the OP has been vandalized. Troll all you want, don't fuck with the OP. That's not cool.
the tzarina is build for beastman cock, and that's her fate in the end times, being a breeding bitch for chaos spawn.
>>98212559>vandalized
>>98212644Mutts Law
>>98212445>Kislev hyped up as the upcoming brand new faction in old world, concept art of Ice Guard shown before anything else>Katarin hyped up as the face of total war warhammer 3, featured in reveal trailer and most promotional material>Miao Ying proves to be a much more popular character, Katarin cucked>Cathay actually makes it to tabletop while Kislev probably never going to happen now due to Slav chimpout, Katarin cucked yet againoh look it's the Old World's biggest cuckqueanat least the Russians seem to like her
>>98212782>mentions the word "cuck" three separate times Got something you need to get off your chest?
>>98212782Nothing better than a Russian with an ample arse
>>98212819it's literally the dictionary definition(derogatory) you dictionaryless bumpkin
>>98212833Yes these is, a french woman with a soft voice and a tasteful bush
>>98212644beastmen get constantly railed and raped by human chaos warriors thoughever.
>>98212919beastbros.... our response?
>>98212833>>98212884Phwoar that's not bad, but I prefer my English rose with all of the above.>>98212644>tfw all the Warhammer waifus canonically either get tortured and eaten by stupid fucking cartoon rats or get raped to death by fat ugly bastard Nurgle chosen and retarded shit-and-piss-soaked Beastmen>tfw Arkhan used my waifu as a spell ingredientGod damn the End Times era was gay as fuck. At least we got Vermintide out of it.
>>98213009Arkhan is a cool skeleton tho so you can't be mad.Cool skeletons always get a pass.
>>98212540Let’s just make a new thread
For the dwarf players out there. How did you decide which hold to paint your dudes? All I can find in the army books are general tips like karaz-a-karak being blue and red or karak azul being blue. I like the idea of using different colors for the warriors' shields tho
>>98213050Paint /yourdudes/ you 40kuck
I dont like porn. Can we just share bible verses instead to grab one anothers attention instead for pics?
>>98213012True. You can't stay mad at Arkhan, and plucking the Fay Enchantress off an apocalyptic battlefield during the chaos is pretty funny and in-character for him. And at least they incorporated the Man O' War cover art guy into the Kislev zerg rush and gave him a tabletop model, that was pretty cool too. What happened to the Empire is way worse and way more pathetic. I would be completely furious if I was an Empire-only guy. The Game of Thrones Syndrome making every Empire character forget castles and fortresses and invincible magical walls can actually be manned and used defensively instead of as a cool backdrop is particularly aggravating. Imagine a drawn-out ebb and flow End Times, with a non-retarded united Empire barely holding the line with the Auric Bastion to the last man, while the civil war victor in Bretonnia holds off the Beastmen, dorfs hold off the Skaven, united Elves hold off the O&G, etc. There are some salvageable ideas in the current ET canon, they just need work.
>>98213057Damn, call me a cuck all you want, but I've never and will never touch a 40k model with a 10 ft pole. Show some respect
>>98213065I desperately want to have an excuse to paint a 40gay Eldar army, but GW insists on making the game worse and worse with each new edition. Not even worth playing with recasts at this point. Even dying tranny game is probably in a better place in terms of rules (though no one actually plays it).
>>98213060My 2 favorite factions are Empire and WoC so End Times was a rollercoaster.
>>98213060It wasn't Arkhan who did that. Morgiana le Fay had defeated Arkhan soundly before, in Bretonnia, but he managed to ran away from the omni-lore soreceress who can teleport around and has scrying within her land,'cuz plot armor. The whole "plucking off from the battlefield" was done by Drycha, and It was just horrible and retarded writing, that reduced Morgiana to an inanimate mannequin. The fae daughter of Ladrielle who can kill with a glance didn't even try to defend herself, while surrounded by grail knight at that, from Drycha - a mere lv 2 wizard of all people. Not fun at all, it was spitefiction like the rest of end times, because it deprived Morgiana of her lifelong quest aside from massively trashing her. After having sdedicated her whole life raising the warriors that would stand with her and the Lady between Chaos and the world during the end times, Morgiana's place in the apocalypse is taking her place among them, riding by their side, bringing them healing and strength to the bitter end. It's not being wirtten off as a literal macguffin, tacked on to a story she contributed nothing to, that had nothing to do with her, and reduced to doing absolutely nothing. Fun part is that she was made into a useless macguffin, because the undead subplot would have been the exact same without her. That was a literally a copout for writers that didn't want to put in the work to write such a character where she belongs.
>>98213060Like, if you don't care about Bretonnia or Morgiana le Fay, that's okay. But this thing GW does where some factions or characters have to be the butt of the joke and trashed, is disgusting. Especially in a scenario that was the final run of a setting, the goodbye that should have given every character a cool exit, and could have been bittersweet for longtime fans of the setting. A big fuck you to the people who enjoy a certain character or faction isn't my idea of a fun thing at all - I wouldn't have laughed if, say, Arkhan slipped on a banana peel and his head broke into a million pieces. But the way GW treated the Fay Enchantress during end times was the equivalent of that.
>>98213012You can be mad at the writers, the actual people who did that. The Fay wasn't even required for the plot to work from a narrative perspective. Take her away from that plot, nothing changes. She also had nothing to do with it. That was just people who didn't care and were just looking for a quick way to get rid of a character who would have required them to put actual work in, had she been in the final battlefield.
>>98213210>The whole "plucking off from the battlefield" was done by Drycha...yeah, that fucking sucks.
>>98213274*Everything* they did concerning the Fay in end times was fucking abysmal. Off-screened in one sentence in one of the most retarded contexts ever. That's all they did.
>>98213210>>98213274Drycha was beaten by Calard of Garamont when he was just a questing knight. I imagine a grail knight or the Enchantress would just stomp her.
>see same rumors for months>nothing realThey are squatting us again aren't they?
>>98213306drycha was empowered though. Also her powerlevel is really dependent on her environment.
>>98213310I don't think she's strong in Bretonnia. That's Morgiana's turf, especially because it was near the forest of Chàlons --t that's literally Morgiana's home. And empower Drycha as much as you want, if she was beaten by a questing knight, a whole squad of grail knights and the Enchantress will make short work of her regardless. That's not even considering that the Enchantress can see the future and would have sent someone to deal with her and keep an eye on her long before she could even act.Plus, Drycha specializes in illusions and hallucinations magic, which I'm pretty sure would be pretty weak against someone whose tityle is "the Fay Enchantress". So stupid.
>>98213307poor guy has to keep finding rocks to stand on to prevent his flail from hitting the ground
>>98213331I pity him more for his jaw. It looks dislocated. I imagine it sometimes falls off and he has to pick it up and put it back lol
>>98213343He was a 'jak in life so he's fine
>>98213307>They are squatting us again aren't they?already happened
>tranny samefag and AoS raiders b& yesterday>thread quality immediately improvesFeels good man.>>9821330711th edition 40gay takes all priority, understandably. Being a specialty game means slower releases but higher quality. I'll gladly take that trade-off, rather than constant new slop on the same level of quality as the horrendous Foot Knights or the Ogre-sized Empire general. If you want the inverse of that, take a look at the Inner Cities of Sigmar range, it's replete with new releases and yet each one is absolutely fucking vile.
>>98212445Age of Sigmar lookin anime bullshit
>>98213229Was Morgiana's death the most pathetic of the End Times?
>>98213529Fantasy Renaissance Russia =/= ugly sidecut dykes and racist caricature negroes in Space Marine armor. Kislev is cool.
>>98213551No. That was objectively Thorgrim's.>but he killed Queek before he diedThat makes it worse. Imagine slaying the great champion of your people's primordial enemy then dying literally 2 seconds later to some other fucking guy. If they wanted him dead they should have just had him die from his wounds while fighting Queek, that would have been a hundred times better than lobotomizing him and having him get stabbed.
>>98213552Kislev is a day one buy for me but fuck I have fatigue of the same conversation 'kislev won't release because the war'. Kislev was never going to release in the first edition of this game since it's so obviously going to kick off the Great War narrative. They are doing a throwaway narrative for Cathay which is already going to end when Mao rushes back to the seal the bastion and then we'll never hear from them again.
>>98213552You just described modern Kislev
>>98213307>rumours for AoS is that they get Kislev and Nippon out of nowhere in 5eYes. New plastic might get folded into AoS, rest back to the dumpster
I haven't been paying attention for the past couple months, any cool new stuff? Any more rumors past the revamped Chaos Warriors and Welves vs Tkings starter box?
>>98213662lollmao even
>>98213626Those have already been confirmed as new stormcast subfactions a la space wolves or blood angels.
>>98213529so better looking than whfb
>>98213668Those are pictures from before Covid happened you retard, they aren't by the leaker
>>98213662GW abandoned the game
>>98213763Without skaven it was bound to be a failure.
>>98213771Singlehandedly keeping dying tranny game afloat.
>>98213662new Warhammer Siege book and models in the distant future
>>98213759>he doesn't know
>>98212445Puckee thread, repugnant.
>>98213782>in the distant futureAs in 2+ years from now.
>>98213825probably
Actual alternative models https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL
>>98213662Apparently the starter box is coming but the contents were wrong. Its actually Cathay vs Chaos, nothing new for Cathay but all new sculpts for WoC.Apparently WE and TK are still getting updates, just not in a versus box form.
>>98213918I believe none of the '1.5 edition with new two army box' rumours, GW have virtually never considered 1.5 editions and given that this would have been decided at least two years ago it makes no sense. Rumourmongers if anything have proven they can't get it right on TOW it is too small a product for them to get info on it.
>>98213551>>98213560I'd say yes. They wrote her like an inanimate mannequin, who despite her power (and despite being the embodiment of "be compassionate, but take no shit ever"), didn't evven try to defend herself. She did nothing, she just stood there. There's literally next to nothing about her, offscreened in one sentence. Moreover, it ignored Morgiana's ability to instantly reincarnate whenever her current host body dies.Plus, it threw her whole point out of the window. After having sdedicated her whole life raising the warriors that would stand with her and the Lady between Chaos and the world during the end times, Morgiana's place in the apocalypse is taking her place among them, riding by their side, bringing them healing and strength to the bitter end. Instead, she was tacked on a subplot that had nothing to do with her for convenience, without being allowed to do one single thing. It's as if she was a non-entity.
>>98213964At least Thorgrim got to do *something*. He got some agency, despite the stupidity of how he was killed off. Morgiana might as well have slipped off a banana peel and just RIP.
>>98213868>No Reaper>No Mantic >No Avatars of War>No monsterous encounters >No highland miniatures >No One Sin, Vae Victus, Reptilian Overlords etc.As bad as OP desu
>>98213551>>98213560I'd make the argument for Gelt. Don't get me wrong, he did a LOT during the end times and definitely had a lot of accomplishments, but his death specifically was.... holy fuck.Honorable mention goes to like, all the Lizardmen.
I don't know how you guys let End Times live rent free in your head. It's shit lore, so you just throw it out.
>>98214004We're only human. Endings stick to people.
>>98213933So why did GW stop selling the TOW rulebook?
>>98213551all Chaos characters that weren't Archaon, Throgg or part of the Glottkin book died pretty pathetically>Wulfric, Valnir and several other named Chaos characters die because they are retarded and fight against each other out of nowhere>Sigvald gets thrashed and pissed on> Ergrimm, after getting built up as a secret mastermind behind Chaos Cults all over the Old World, dies like a pathetic bitch in two sentences where he tries to become an IncarnateEnd Times was bad in general, ignored previously established character arcs and themes and was just written to trash the setting and leave salted earth so that people would buy AoS
>>98214019>Ergrimm, after getting built up as a secret mastermind behind Chaos Cults all over the Old WorldOh my god I remember that. Why on Earth they had that retarded twerp Vilitch be the leader of Tzeentch forces instead of Egrimm is beyond me. He had a thousand times the build-up.
>>98214000I still make the argument for Morgiana, because they didn't even allow her to try and defend herself. She was written like a literal inanimate mannequin. People don't even register what happened to her because in ET there's nothing except:"now she's in Bretonnia, now she's not 'cuz reasons. Oh, btw, now she dead lol. Oh, one last thing: did you know she's the daughter of Ladrielle? Too bad we aren't going to do anything with that LMAO. Also, fuck you". She got to do literally nothing. Nothing. Not even as little as *trying* to preserve herself. Disgusting.
>>98214004I do dismiss ET, but then I see talks about it, and the rage for something I hold so dear with being treated like a dried up shitstain on a siodewolk in some shithole place comes back in full force.
>>98214014because the game is cancelled
>>98213964She can reincarnate? I thought every Fay Enchantress was just a different woman or whatever, blessed by Ze Lady.
>>98214019Sigvald's death was kinda funny tho so I'll let it slide.
>>98213918>Apparently the starter box is coming but the contents were wrong. Its actually Cathay vs Chaos, nothing new for CathayThat's not how GW does starter boxes, and hasn't been, I think, ever? Starter boxes always have unique sprues.Whoever told you that counter rumor was lying
>>98214004I actually like it a lot.
>>98214051She's the lieral daughter of Ladrielle who reincarnates., and has been with Bretonnia since the very beginning. She has taken multiple names, Morgiana being the latest, but she has dedicated her whole life to raising people in Bretonnia to have the strength to be the bulwark that would stand with her and her mother against the forces of the end times. The reincarnation was also re-confirmed in Total War, that even says she has "host bodies", meaning she likely is a fae spirit.
>>98214069I think the broad strokes of End Times were actually ok, but the devil very much is in the details.
>>98214014oh goddamn, they really have taken the rule book off their webzone. So the new edition is coming, and like, very soon.neat.
>>98214081How is being part of shitty yearly editions neat?
>>98214076The STORY itself is in the details and individual choices. Many writers fail because they don't understand this.Everybody can make up some broad strokes crap and it would likely be okay. Only people who know what they're writing about can make an actual story.
Bret fags Porn fags Both transition and take e apparently in this general.
>>98214081What is the point of that image.
>>98214092You’re just typing shit.
>>98214004Why do you care that people care?
>>98214069I'm a hardcore Chaosfag and even I think it was kinda shit.Don't get me wrong, Chaos winning is real and based, but when you make all your opposition retarded it doesn't feel like a well-earned victory.
>>98214087because it implies the Wood Elf vs Tomb King box rumor is true, which means we'll get replacements for the derpy Glade Guard and at least a couple of the old welf metal models.And most of the rule changes since launch have been positive so a refreshed core rules that incorporates everything is a good thing
>>98214004The rape of Warhammer Fantasy is comparable only to what happened to Star Wars with TLJ. A fuck-up as dire as the End Times can't be considered accidental, it can only be borne out of malice. Complete and utter desecration of a classic setting beloved by all, and now a miserably inferior "replacement" tranny setting no one likes is dancing on its grave, cynically aping 40gay Space Marines and putting niggers in nonsensical, completely ahistorical Korean MMO armor to appeal to no one. Being a GW fan of ANY GAME of theirs in 2026 is a nonstop humiliation ritual at this point.
>>98214140No, for as bad as End Times and AOS were, the Star Wars sequels were ten times worse.
>>98214097it's hot. And Warhammer so it's apposite to this thread.
>>98214140boss baby post
>>98214155it'd only be hot if it was a male knight and a female demigryph.Still feral tho.
>>98214101Failed writer detected
>>98214155>>98214169You're both wrongFemale knight X female demigryph
>>98214112I care about the community and your well-being senpai.
>>98214004They're too autistic to throw it out is the problem.
>>98214162Zoomer just learning what an analogy is for the first time
>>98214012>posts the most kino ending of all time
>>98214081>"Sigmar" motto is backwards on her helmetIt's RUINED.
>>98214140>Complete and utter desecration of a classic setting beloved by allDifference is star wars made money, unlike whfb. Can't have been that beloved if it immediately got outsold by st*rmcast.
>>98214112
>>98214214>Difference is star wars made moneyDisney has not yet profited from Star Wars.>inb4 but they bought it for 4 billion and made 12!They had a combined revenue of 12 billion, but there's also the price in order to make their movies and shows, the price for advertisements and the price for their failed enterprises like the 400 million dollar starship hotel that shut down after like a year.
>>98214169The idea of being treated not only as an animal, but lower than an animal, less intelligent and deserving of rights than a horse or a dog, is extremely hot.
>>98214214>outsold by st*rmcastTrannycast don't sell and haven't sold since they fucking launched. Then they got primaris'd to milk the few people stupid enough to play them one last time. Now they're dropping any pretense of being their own thing and getting turned into 1:1 Space Marine chapters LMAO. Thanks for giving me an excuse to post my favorite pics though
>>98214214The setting and characters are beloved, the *game* had problems. Sales of minis are related to the game fare more than they are to the setting.Had WHFB had merchandise like actual figures and stuff, it would have likely sold well. People who care about the story aren't going to buy a bunch of massively overpriced, disassembled models that are a pain to assemble, and that aren't even painted. That's what hobysts and players do.
>>98214242>TOURNEYFAG-SAMA ONEGAI, PLEASE, PLEASE, I FUCKING BEG YOU, PLEASE TAKE A SKAVENTIDE BOX, IT'S LITERALLY FREE, YOUR FRIENDS CAN HAVE ONE TOO>P-PLEASE JUST TAKE ONE BOX OUR INVENTORY IS FUCKING WORTHLESS>I'LL SUCK YOUR FUCKING DICK! YOU WANT ME TO EAT SHIT? I'LL EAT YOUR FUCKING SHIT!
This thread really was dogshit from the get go and snowballed into whatever this is. >>98214218Go back to /v/ if you’re just going to rely on an image for your argument or whatever. Le “meme image” is reductive for all parties involved and the image in general reeks of a tranny
>>98214152You could argue which one was worse lore wise, but Star Wars at least continued as a franchise. They didn't say: Star Wars is over, go enjoy Age of Stars: Space Wars instead.
>>98214247>the "game" had problemsNo, the game was fine, it was entirely GW not supporting it.
>>98214264I said that badly. I didn't mean that the game had problems as a game, but in terms of profit.
>>98214260Why continue fantasy?
>>98214218You got it wrong, >>98214004 is the one arguing that the end times don't matter and that people should stop talking about it.
>>98214273Because I personally liked it, and I am literally God exploring Myself.
>>98214273Better question, why replace it with dying tranny game? It's not like they had any new ideas to try.
>>98214282>the river magmusSo much cooler than the River Reik! Because it's, like, magma! :)
>>98214281Stop exploring yourself in public, freak.
>>98214282>better question No, I’m afraid it’s not. Fantasy was bound to get the axe one way or another when all the things it stole from also fell into irrelevance.
>>98214300Unlike AoS, which stole from... Fantasy
>>98214306Your fixating on Aos for some reason when you need to be looking within.
>>98214242Makes it all the more embarassing to get outsold by them...>>98214264GW supported the fuck out of it, what do you mean?
>>98214328>GW supported the fuck out of it, what do you mean?LolLmao even
It's all going as planned, /wfg/- board is undercoated & the temple of Modgepodgeu Pichu has been erected. Tonight shall be the first layers of paint and, if it dries fast enough, the pouring of the first layer of water....
>>98214282even better question, why post outdated maps?
>>98214337dare I ask what's going to be on "gross"?
>>98214319>looks within>sees my beautiful White soul burning with hatred for AoS>looks withoutYeah I still hate AoS.>>98214328>brand new game launch sees a blip that outperforms an older established product that was stagnating, then immediately falls off a cliff>this is better than improving the old product because blip was high!Don't go into business/analytics, you're actually fucking retarded.
>>98214348That's 'grass'- I just suck at writing with sharpie. Will be tufts of this tall grass stuff I have so it looks like my Cold Ones are emerging from a field of long grass.
>>98214349>get outsold by a "game" with maps like >>98214282, no points, rules which favour the player with a bigger moustache, and with only stormcast, khorne and fucking fyreslayers as new releases>try to spin this as an abnormal "blip"Lmao nice try mateusz
>>98214370>rules which favour the player with a bigger moustacheSovl
>>98214349>sees my beautiful White soul burning with hatred for AoSAh a narcissist. Keep your cock in a fancy little coffin after your transition, and I don’t mean a Chasity cage. No I genuinely mean what do you wish for a setting to explore when your dwindling core base didn’t care for an exploration outside of what is now the old world? The lustria campaign itself was met with utter apathy at its release as well.
>>98214384>>98214349what deez nigga talmbout some talmlike sephiroth shieeeeeeet
TOW definitely, 100% is not dying. That's why this thread is talking about TOW instead of a different, more popular game.
>>98214384>what do you wish for a setting to explore when your dwindling core base didn’t care for an exploration outside of what is now the old world? The lustria campaign itself was met with utter apathy at its release as wellHow the old guard behaved was irrelevant- the game was a year away from a massive surge of new players with TWW & Vermintide had GW just stuck to whf.
>>98214384>what is now the old world>implyingNewtranny I think that's quite enough out of you.
>>98214392Personally, I miss the time before TOW was announced, when the thread would talk about all the editions. I remember that time. I was there. It wasn't glorious, nor was it truly great, but it was better.TOW has, if nothing else, gotten people to play the game again. However, do not get confused. It is not a good edition of WHFB by any means. One day, we will all be playing 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th, and/or 8th again. I don't think TOW will be an edition people will be going back to once it's over.
>>98214384The reality is that the only way for whfb to survive 2015 was going to be something kind of close to age of sigmar anyway.Skirmish based ruleset complete with round bases, probably very loose points system (if any at all), significant reshuffling of factions/units (e.g. eternity host), and most notably a very big status quo shift. Probably something like a chaos empire or whatever was the plan with storm of chaos. Also bretonnians and tomb kings still gone. And of course, stormcast. Some of these (like the points) would've been reversed pretty quickly, like it happened with AoS in our timeline too, but others wouldn't. Keep in mind gw in general was struggling too, even 40k had to go through gathering storm and dark imperium and everything that that entailed.Ironically in a roundabout way we'll be getting something similar next year if the last world rumours are true.
>>98214337are the steps of the pyramid glued yet? because if you rely on the fact the board cuts off the pyramid you can make it much taller (and later detail the insides of the pyramid from the cut angles)
Found this super autistic power ranking of Fantasy fighters, think it was CV. Do we agree?
>>98214400>the game was a year away from a massive surge of new players with TWW & Vermintide had GW just stuck to whf.I never thought of that but I think this is probably one of the best arguments of why should have stuck with the IP.Thing is, they could have introduced all the AoS stuff INTO fantasy anyways.As much as I love whfb, to the point that I'm still playing 8th ed, I guess something HAD to be done.What that "something" is, I have joined clue.
>>98214392>TOW definitely, 100% is not dying.It actually seems to be picking up now more than ever with everyone adopting squarebase rules for legacy armies. I have a local rtt coming up with about 30 players, which is awesome considering that's about how many we get in a 40k rtt.I'll actually probably be a little sad if we get a new edition & updated legacy rules/support- anything GW's inbred interns write will pale in comparison to all the fun shit sb's been bringing back in their drafts.
>>98214413>power rankingkill yourself
>>98214392It's just the usual monthly end times / aos struggle session thread. We've been having these since 2015>>98214400Wouldn't have mattered if they didn't address the underlying problems. Starting your 50th hecking karl franz campaign is a different beast compared to spending however many hours painting your 200 monkeyfaced state troopers who will get blown off the board by a random spell anyway. Most tow players I see now are returning players or 40kfugees.>>982144062017-2020 was /wfg/'s golden age, true
>>98214411I thought about that myself- the problem is the bases of my temple guard have a design that make them look like they're standing in the middle of a temple floor, so I thought it'd look best if I built the temple out from around them, rather than make it look like they're standing on just part of it.
>>98214429>Most tow players I see now are returning players or 40kfugees.I'm sure that "most" are, but at least in my local scene we have quite a few people only just starting TOW without a Warhammer background.
>>98214429>Starting your 50th hecking karl franz campaign is a different beast compared to spending however many hours painting your 200 monkeyfaced state troopers who will get blown off the board by a random spell anyway.Oh look, it's this retard take that's been proven wrong a dozen times
>>98214413>Gotrek>not Grimnir>Ka'Bandha>not Skarbrand>Krell not even top 50'tis shit.
>>98214459I mean, hes not wrong. At the very least you would need to condition someone over the course of a decade to pick up plastic toys from a video game. Which is what warhammer did with total war 3. Granted it probably took some sunk cost fallacy with both the time and $900 worth of dlc and the base games.
>>98214482Except he's forgetting they're all strategy games, and fans of strategy games are willing to cross barriers of entry to enjoy other strategy games. See how fan of warcraft tend to also be fans of warhammer, and vice versa.
>>98214486too broad of a statment ngl anon.
>>98214488But the reality nonetheless, at least in terms of scifi & fantasy strategy games.
>>98214462>Ka'BandhaDoes he even show up in fantasy outside of the end times?
>>98214406Fuck man, my sentiment exactly.There was a resurgence of community based approach to the game. And for once the hobby truly belonged to the community. ToW, by virtue of being "official", phagocytized everything else that Warhammer Fantasy had become up to that point.I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but it's undeniable we lost something when GW reclaimed.
>>98214429>2017-2020 was /wfg/'s golden age, trueso much sovl, it was a crime. I like some of the balance changes in TOW, but increasingly I think the only true benefit is the return of old kits. Even then, third party stuff was getting really good. Would love GW to prove me wrong with something like a nice state troop update.
>>98214406>However, do not get confused. It is not a good edition of WHFB by any meansOh it absolutely isn't- I was hoping for a Heresy 2.0 type game where the rules were an tweaked version of an older edition- preserving the spirit of the edition but ironing out some of the issues it had.Instead what we got was literally just some intern copy pasting huge chunks of text without editing them or modifying them 'because nostalgia,' leading to probably one of if not the worst modern rulesets GW has written.
GW could have worked with the guys behind 9th age or WAP, yknow, people that had more experience than pretty much anyone else with making and balancing warhammer fantasy battles, instead they got some interns that never played any of the games to half-heartedly release half the factions.
>>982145759th age is a tourneyfag shitfest
>>98214517>ToW
>>98214581Sure, but it still has better actual rules than tow
>>98214582The off World
>>98214595Off is capitalized when abbreviated you stupid nigger.
>>98214610Not when it's off.
>>98214643There's something off with your dangum gourd, boy
What I don't get about ToWniggers is that ToW is harder to type than TOW. You're hitting that shift key twice or that caps lock a minimum three times. True brainrot, for real.
>>98214337>>98214367Really looking forward to the end of your project. Have this; you deserve it.
>>98214595>the offed world
>>98214685>>98214610
How do a more hit-and-run/melee style of wood elves play? I’m trying to decide between a wood elf army and a tomb kings army. A WE vs. TK box really would be nice…
>>98214754Wild Riders + Wildwood Rangers + Wardancers would be fun
>>98214659>ThorpeIn all serious tho I appreciate that but don't get your hopes up too much- I've only got 3 days so chances are it'll look shitty by the time I'm done. But hey- points for a board are points for a board and at least this won't be a year where I go 'oh man next year I am TOTALLY gonna make a deployment board' and then don't.
>>98214140What a disgusting mini
>>98214774Genuinely seems like a kitbash a chud would make in jest. Just unbelievably fucking racist.
>>98214935Unfortunately the head is very much sculpted and painted by nuGW.
>>98214935The horizontal gun pose is shooped of course.Interestingly the guy used to look more like a 19th century brazilian in his first iteration (on the left here)
>>98214991That was considered not to be stereotypical enough by GW
>>98213060>And at least they incorporated the Man O' War cover art guy into the Kislev zerg rush and gave him a tabletop modelwhomst? what model do you mean?
>>98215022Maybe he's talking about Gutrot Spume? He's an ET Nurgle character with a naval theme.
>>98214406If a peak model like 0291912 dropped today the denizens of this thread wouldn't be able to handle it and would call it 40k aos shit
>>98215082typoed an extra 9 in there whoopsmeant the khorne guy with the homunculus on his head
>>98215082And they'd be right to do so.Just because something is old doesn't make it good, Warhammer evolved beyond that.
>>98215082Imagine if they dropped oldhammer chorfs ex nihilo nowadays
>>98214991>19th century brazilianhow do you miss that he's got the same identical palette and lighting as the unequivocally white guy?
I'm back to working on my kangz.Necrotect finished, next up - King.
>>98215315Looking thick solid and tight. On another topic. I read Grudge Bearer recently. This was the first painfully unremarkable novel I’ve ever read. The only interesting bit that sticks out is learning that dwarf pillows are stuffed with goat hair and finely ground gravel. Although I’ve only ever read the first Gortrek and Felix omnibus for BL. I really liked those in comparison.
Haven't asked in a while, so: which edition do (you) play?>TOW>8th>other edition>fan edition
Got a 1500 point game scheduled against Ogres tomorrow, wish me luck Anons.
I tried playing high elves both in 8th and TOW and while I find how they look on the battlefield very beautiful, I think they're overpriced in points for what they do, especially in TOW.I'm getting a small dwarf army (1000-1500 points) to try out in smalller games and get the hang of it. What are some must haves if I want fun casual games? I'm getting the 2 gyrocopters that come in the starter box, but I don't want to base my army around 16 gyrocopters because I think that's not how dwarfs are in the lore. I'd rather have huge blocks of rock solid infantry
>>98216013Only play 3rd
>>98216362How is it?
>>98215859Thorpe is a way less interesting or competent writer than King, so you finding Gotrek and Felix better isn't a surprise
>>98216165Good luck. I'm playing some battle march tomorrow. Will be my first game(s?) of old world.
>>98216408The only TRVE Warhammer Fantasy experience is in 3rd edition. Tourneyshitters need not apply.
My plan was to add snow to it and make it my first test piece for a new terrain set, but now I'm not so sure. My view on it changes over and over again. Fuck.
>>98216801Hill also got some paint. Now to pick out all bones and chains from the top. It also lands under snow terrain issue...
>>98216801Looks good without it. Unless you're hard committed to a snow board, I wouldn't.
One thing that pisses me off about the Lizardmen renegades is the saurus warriors. Everyone talks about how shit the saurus warriors are but Val didn’t add in the Sacred Spawnings to have more customizable saurus warriors. Wtf man
>>98215859Was it really that drab? Fall of Dragonback was amazing and I considered reading this next.
>>98216949I don't think the renegade packs are meant to expand the armybooks instead of just rebalancing them
>>98216949>Everyone talks about how shit the saurus warriors areFunny you mention that when one of the more vocal players in my group won't shut the fuck up about how lizards are going to be too strong because of the saurus changes in the draft as well as the skink cohorts getting kroxigors.
>>98216989What do you mean by Drab?
>>98214413Gorfang Rotgut should be 26-50. He beat the shit out of Queek and his bodyguard. Nagash should be near the top.
>>98217018Unremarkable, dull. As the OP said. I was wondering why though as Gav is normally decent as far as BL writers go.
>>98217037Characters in the book are pretty basic, and outside of the main character, remain static until the endThe villains are completely flat and have zero characterisationA third of the book could also be described as dramatised battle reports, and another third a justification for those battle reports
>>98217076>A third of the book could also be described as dramatised battle reports, and another third a justification for those battle reportsSounds like a solid recommendation to me.
>>98217001On second reading saurus seem like they can do a lot of damage with predatory fighters and a 3+ save in combat. It would be nice to have a reason to paint different spawnings though. What are your thoughts on the list Lizardmen anons? We back from the Stone Age?
>>98217241Lizards are much better on paper. Haven't played with the list yet though. Getting rid of scaly skin was the biggest thing I wanted and everything on top of that is gravy, but its good gravy.Slann have fun changes that I'm interested in trying. Blowpipe getting move and shoot makes a huge difference. Chameleon skinks are much better with ambush. Salamanders getting reserve move and move and shoot might make them undercosted and is the only one that might have gotten buffed too much. Fireleech bolas look great now and Razordons with Counter charge is great. All the big monster stuff is hard to judge though.
>>98216801>backdrop >scratch built terrain>>98216817It ended up looking sick SOVL
>>98216740Good luck Anon, make sure to take some pictures too.
Damn 4 hours between replies ..
>>98218818Amerifats and the trannies are sleeping. Ready yourself. They will be back.
>>98216772Doesn't really answers his question, and more importantly it's wrong. 6E is the true WFB experience.
>>98216013I'm biased because I started with 6th (also played 5th & 7th) but I would go with it. Everyone except Chorfs got an army book but nothing stops you from using the list from ravening hordes. Besides that you have many options. Additional army lists per book, a lot of materials from WD/Annuals, campaign books etc. - it's just very flexible if your group isn't centered about WAAC fags. Rules from 7th were close enough so that importing units from that ed is not an issue.
>>98218818well it's gonna be four months between a TOW article at this rate so hardly surprising
>>98216013I play 8th ed . I have a group that has been somewhat consistently playing since 2016.I started with 6th and played a shitton of 7th (to the tune of 2-3 games minimum per week for all of its duration).But no edition gave (and gives) me as much fun as 8th. Definitely the most interactive edition, where even when I was losing, it never felt like i wasn't somewhat in control of my army.
>>98212445Progress is progressing gentlemen- the base paints have been applied & the first layer of water is poured. Flocking & drybrushing soon...
>>98219240Looking good so far anon resin does seem to have a lot of air bubbles in it, but that can work for a board meant to represent a location in Lutria
>>98219229I hated 8th. It was just passing hordes forward and seeing who Purple Suns first. Maybe some interactions with rat darts.
I know of Louise Sugden, who worked partially on The Old World map - and also used to post here - , and we also know Andy Law who did a few map for the RPG, but what can you tell me about Simon Smith?
How do I run this thing? I kind of want to build one of each(eventually)
Considering the political climate at GW. It's odd that female lizardmen were never recanonized, and that female cloven ones were never unretconed from their current submissive forest wife status.
>>98219678Magnetize. Run three with Nobles and Ring of Furry and Seed of Rebirth. I think the bolt thrower is a trap. You're generally going to want to be charging or marching.
>>98219849No, it's not odd, you're out of touch.
>>98219888how so
>>98219865>I think the bolt thrower is a trapShame because it's a very neat bit but I get what you're saying.
>>98219849female lizardmen are retardedfemale beastmen decanonized beastmen rape, and having rape in your setting lowers your woke score more than having vaguely patriarchal societies, especially when the society is evil retarded barbarians
>>98217241I played new Renegade Daemons vs Lizardmen, they seem kinda busted for 12 ppm since a block is hella tough to crack and has 2 attacks per model. For example you have plaguebearers for 12 points and saurus seem to outright be better value, i'd bet they outperform all of the T4 ~12 point infantry. Should prolly go to 13 ppm
>>98219518>what can you tell me about Simon Smith?nothing
James Workshop calls you, yes anon, YOU, and tells you he wants you, yes anon, YOU, to design the next edition of TOW.What are you changing ruleswise? Which legacy/completely new factions are you adding? Are you changing anything about the arcane journals, about the way the sets work? Are you tampering with the lore, moving it forward or hell, even backwards in time?You, yes anon, YOU have full creative control for the next edition, what is your dream version of TOW 2e?
>>98219907As far as gw is concerned that passage from G&F is not canon, nor something that gets even remotely considered or was ever remotely considered at any point beyond that page. Beastmen are too irrelevant for their worldbuilding to be given any thought or have any character appear and warrant a description as a female, they're fodder, there are as many as the plot needs with no further explanation required beyond "mutants", their range is already done and not going to change anytime soon, and even then adding boobs to bestial races is seen as tasteless and problematic by people who are taken into consideration to greenlight these decisions.You shouldn't need me to tell you this.
>>98219518Did you enjoy all those cool maps from 3rd to 6th editions?He drew them.
>>98220032I never cared about maps, it's all pointless.
>>98219849Pretty sure an AoS book retconned them to be genderless and use they/them pronouns
>>98220067They have been genderless since their reintroduction in 5th edition
What do I buy if I want to into Cathay?
>>98220002A few legacy factions, without looking at data I’d guess Skaven, Lizardmen, and Vampire counts are most popular and we have a variety of human/elf factions already.Wouldn’t be greedy and ask for all, since I’d really want more factions metal characters to be moved to plastic. Anvil of doom, the Green Knight, all but one wood elf character …
Newbie question, I'm preparing an Overground Defense dwarf force for an upcoming event (6e army variant with no siege weapons but a lot of miners and rangers) and I've been wondering if there are any nomad clans in the lore, much like the sort-of-Slayer hold?>karak falls>the lord rallies the survivors and starts travelling but refuses to settle down in the Empire or another Karak, swearing to retake or start one instead>his people now live mostly on the mountain passes, majority of them miners or warriors protecting them with maybe one gyrocopter held together by whatever they can scrap together Alternatively they're a clan that formed mostly from outcasts joining dangerous mining expeditions.
>>98220002>you have FULL creative controlall models that aren't in production receive a MTO run once per editioneach faction gets one book that's exclusively made of fluff, artworks, and a retrospective view of the previous iterations with commentary, and one book of rules and model showcases where the first half is for the models and builds in production, and the second half contains highly customisable rules for all those units, equipments and models that are not officially supported as part of the permanent range full compatibility for aos models in tow through that last part as well, where different iterations of the same unit are particularly different they split into a parallel unit profilearcane journals are for campaign supplements with atypical scenarios and armies of renownyou can make alliances of whatever percentage you want, with however many factions you want, as long as you stick to the alliances treesrules are reworked so units move way more, both when you want them to move and when the opponent causes them to move, either because they're made to flee, are pushed away, or baited into a charge against your willspells and other abilities the armies possess get expressed by drawing cards (standard gaming cards, with a table for reading them within the army's book, and a limited run of faction themed cards)monsters and riders are split, you have to kill both before either dies, but each one has its own stats, saves and woundsinstead of rules for larger units, the rules are rewritten around the idea of multiple smaller units sticking close together acting as a large unit, and more organically getting broken apart, or wrapping around a target. this also means that elite units can work as lynchpins of lines of smaller troops (blocks of 3x3 to 5x5)cannons are nerfed and made to scatter with extreme prejudice the game turn structure is reworked to be IGOUGO for movements, and then alternated activations for combat (including combat movements)
>>98220306the end times books (and storm of chaos) are visions of likely futures some characters got ahead of those times, the fixed timeline ends at karl franz's coronation, everything after that is not set in stonethe age of sigmar exists regardless of the fate of this world due to timey wimey multidimensional warp bullshit and because the realms were born with the catastrophe instead of the end timesif you send a cool enough conversion or battle report to white dwarf, the conversion or event will be canonised first in a white dwarf and later in a yearly arcane journal that collects the year's community contributions each arcane journal must come with pages you can print to make your cutout paper scenery for the scenarios in the supplement, as well as the banners, insignia and colours of the factions involved
>>98220002>Which legacy/completely new factions are you adding?you already know
>>98220002My friends and I were discussing legacy factions the other day and we thought it would be cool to include them as supplements for existing factions. Like a chaos arcane journal including a mortal+demons detachment or a few lizardmen units working with HE. We even discussed adding kislev as an arcane journal for the empire, but some factions are easier to use as addons than others. VC and skaven work on their own, and dark elves could be "allied" with HE as well, although VC working with a hypothetical and unlikely vampire coast faction would work pretty good
>>98219331>hated 8th.>It was just passing hordes forward and seeing who Purple Suns first.>Maybe some interactions with rat darts.Can't argue on personal experience, but I guess the people you play with have a large impact.In 16 years now of playing 8th, I think I used hordes maybe 3 times, and I can recall all 7 times that a megaspell was truly game-ending.But the fact that I can reliably attempt to charge shit with my dwarfs and most of the times I bring no artillery and still have a close game makes it a fun edition.Not the best perhaps, but the most enjoyable.
>>98220002I'm getting rid of Parry because it's a retarded rule, I'm reversing the close order US requierement and I'm changing first charge so that It works at the first charge of a combat instead of the first charge of a game. Then I'm buffing monstrous infantry by giving them all some impact 1 or something like that.
I don't know why but I really like doing grey/beige/white clothes.Anyways, the trebuchet is complete. Knights on foot or grail knights next?
>>98220690Why does this look AI generated
>>98220783Because you're retarded. That's an answer that goes a long way in your day to day life. You should hang on to it and use it whenever you start questioning something.
>>98220690Are you not going to base them properly?
You guys are mean. I hope you come back home to find your wife engaged with an African American vigorously bathing your minatures in nuln oil.
>>98220690Great work anon! Where that trebuchet from? Would love to paint one up for my dwarfs.
>>98220285sounds like the perfect excuse to come up with a totally personal clan.
>>98219518>used to
>>98220838Yeah but I'd like to know if GW did it first.
>>98220819I'll do the whole army at once, I still have some testing to do with a mix of crackle paint, pigments and mortar sand.>>98220830Thanks, it's from highlands miniature but I think you can find cooler sieges engines tailored for dorfs.
>>98220795wow, rude!
>>98221044But true.
>>98220002Ruleswise>magicAdd the magic phase and specific winds back, prioritize making magic more interesting, add universal spells that allows wizards to attack each other directly or better defend their unit against ballistics/magic directly.>infantryMake cavalry more expensive and infantry less expensive. Give every Core infantry unit the option to take a veteran version of itself in the style of Men at Arms —> Yeoman Guard.>legacy/completely new factionsDark ElvesOgre KingdomsRefresh Wood ElvesRefresh Bretonnian plastics and redo the Foot Knight kit ASAPEnd the edition with Vampire Counts>changing anything about the arcane journalsMake them fucking free.>tampering with the loreEither start moving things forward and introducing more new timeline-definitive characters for Age of Three Emperors Empire, Bretonnia, dorfs, and Orcs, or forget the TOW timeline altogether and go down the Storm of Chaos timeline. Ottilia IV, Lutwik, Helmar, Louen Orcslayer, whoever is High King now, Thane Thorgrim, etc.
>>98221199>Make cavalry more expensive and infantry less expensive.One of the most retarded take possible. It's like you've never even played the game once. Cavalry is absolute trash and infantry shits on everything since 1.5
>>98221330Grail Knights and Chosen Knights rape anything they touch.
>>98221199>>98221330>>98221395>make basic core infantry cheaper>make elite cav more expensiveThere you go
>>98221395Do they really? If so, tell me how, because my chosen always wind up doing dick-all and dying immediately after charging anything. Literal chinese rice-homunculus peasants? My knights get impaled and their chaos steeds get turned into dumpling meat. Dwarf rangers? My knights get cleaved in twain in a single round of combat. What am I doing wrong?
>>98221395>the 40 points a model rare unit kills stuff>nerf cavalry >:ofyi nobody ever plays either of those in tourneys, they're just THAT suboptimal.
>>98221428Cav can't touch infantry since 1.5. You'd have to be extremely retarded to ask for infantry to be even cheaper than it is now when fucking vanilla goblins start combat with +6 combat res and a 4+ armor save
>>98221473Yes, I agree, which is why I didn't say anything about making infantry cheaper and instead asked how exactly I'm supposed to make my chosen knights do anything instead of just getting shit.
>>98221531I wasn't implied you did, I was just pointing out the other anon was retarded and you can't really do anything about your chosen knights except have them pick easy fights against other types of units or join a fight already bogged down with your own infantry.But dragon ogres are just better imo
How come GW never tried to make Knightly Orders they're own faction like a fantasy Space Marine equivalent? Instead we got the same ugly sculpts for 30 years. Don't say Brittonia, because that implies GW gave a shit about them.
>>98221575normal knights don't sell as much as space knights, and they already kinda had a whole faction of knights with bretonnia already while today they can't sculpt good armor anymore
>>98221575Why the fuck would they do that
>>98220002Give skaven all the new toys and models from AoS and explain it as rats from the future digging through time.Skaven are now core and sweeping all tourneys.No other changes.
>>98221575They did. They're called stormcast eternals and are widely hated to this day.
>>98221630>all the new toys and models from AoSthere's little that they have in aos that wouldn't feel at home in fantasy as well, even the lightning weapon teams are just a reiteration of the warp grinder before it was redesigned into a drill once the model was made
>>98221630>Give skaven all the new toys and models from AoSThey don't have anything new.
>>98221575Nu-GW cannot sculpt real armor worth a fucking damn. All the classic beloved humie sculpts were by the PerryGODS.
>>98221330I just don't like seeing tiny armies on the table mane. Give infantry permanent Strikes Last against cav if that's what it takes.
>>98220953>but I think you can find cooler sieges engines tailored for dorfs.Thank you but to me, when it comes to dwarfs and artillery, is never a matter either/or. I want to add all sort of warmachines to my collection, i just think they look neat.
>>98221800Sounds like a you problem. My games have plenty of big armies. It's irrelevant to the balance of the game all together anyway, literally just play bigger games with more points or change the character/core points limits requirements.
>>98221791I like the new aos nurgle ones
>>98220020>Beastmen are too irrelevant for their worldbuilding to be given any thought or have any character appear and warrant a description as a female, they're fodder, there are as many as the plot needs with no further explanation required beyond "mutants",Like how GSC's are treated in dark millenia, Custodes have a similar amount of books as GSCs, and I don't need to tell you what happened there.>and even then adding boobs to bestial races is seen as tasteless and problematic by people who are taken into consideration to greenlight these decisionsWho said boobs, particularly on the female lizardmen, I wasn't even thinking of jugs. Nobody said anything about knockers. Female Custo models aren't wearing boob plates or anything like that, also the people we are talking about were fans of Abby (I feel like a shit poster mentioning that name) and large swafts of them say sex and gender aren't the same thing. Anyways lore is mostly textual, canonizing "female" lizardmen and beastwomen that behave like beastmen is an additional "s" and a "er" instead of a "im". Non-described characters sex/gender is literally a matter of pronouns.>>98219979>female beastmen decanonized beastman rape>Female Arabs decanonized the rape of Europeans>Female Spaniards decanonized the rape of the MesoAmericans>Female Japanese decanonized the rape of the Chinese
>>98221684They've got a couple of new gubbins
>>98221993>Custo models aren't wearing boob platesyes, they are
>>98221630They had almost everything already, and even if a hypothetical tow reintroduction didn't use the models that aos is hogging, they could still make do with various other equivalents, especially if we count conversions like the hellpit list to add armored/mutant/techy rat ogres, or chimerats and shit, or the cauldron of a thousand poxes for pestilence.
>>98219849>>98221993Kill yourself.
>>98222083Why
>>98221993>Like how GSC's are treatedno, they are still human enough to get pov characters >Custodes have a similarno, they are human and aren't fodder, and they did get boobplates>is literally a matter of pronouns.doesn't work for beastmen because they're masculine looking and it is pointless for lizardmen because they're genderless anyway
>>98222135>>Custodes have a similar >noI mean, you follow that with a non-sequitor, but Custodes imperically have a similar number of books to GSCs, unless you want to do a recount.I think "doesn't matter" would be more apt than "no" which is just wrong.>no, they are still human enough to get pov characters What are you talking about? A. the inside B. the outsideA. They're partially hive mind creatures, that are partially human and their non-human part intrinsically dooms them to a bad end after they die. Neither can form normal societies (usually, all Warhammer is inconsistent Warhammer). I don't see the big diffrence.B. What they have an animal head? Fuck the version of The Lion King where they can't make facial expressions, was like the 5th most watched movie, when are we going to move past this?>boobplateOkay I was wrong, but I never noticed the Custodes had pec plates before today either, I have never seen a finished Custodes model in person.Anyway the principal still stands. You don't have to put females in boob plate, I was looking for an example, but now you'll have to imagine it in hypothetical.>doesn't work for beastmen because they're masculine lookingThey look how you want
>>98222253>Anyway the principal still stands.No, it doesn't, you missed the points, responded with bullshit or pointlessness.Genecults are not the same as beastmen, custodes are not the same as neither genecults or beastmen, beastmen models look the way they look and aren't changing. you cannot convey female beastmen without feminine features on the style the models are following.You're clueless, delusional and out of touch, take anon's advice >>98222083
>>98222280>custodes are not the same as neither genecults or beastmen,Nobody said either of these things
>>98222280>>98222289If I told you oranges are orange and apples are tasty. You would make fun of me for thinking apples are orange.You're either intentionally reading wrong, or you don't know how to.
>>98222289You tried to bring up custodes as example of a niche faction getting changed to add women to them.You missed the fact the point wasn't that beastmen are niche, but that they are irrelevant fodder, custodes aren't fodder, and even genecults which you also brought up are less like fodder than beastmen.You keep lacking the most minimal amount of awareness and critical thinking, take people's advices instead of pretending your cluelessness can pass for a thought.
>>98222329false equivalence, don't project.
>>98222343Did you read it slowly, or choose to understand the words this time?>You tried to bring up custodes as example of a niche faction getting changed to add women to them. Yes and you understand that being similar in one aspect is not the same as being the same?>You missed the fact the point wasn't that beastmen are niche, but that they are irrelevant fodderI don't see why some things in universe role would motivate it to be changed more than its out of universe popularity. You can change something's role. You can't artificially force popularity.> even genecults which you also brought up are less like fodder than beastmen. The GSC are litteral fodder, abundant low quality feed. And Narrative fodder in that they are a threat that feeds a better threat, like how wheat is a food that feeds a steak. They lack the ability to be relavant to any grand narrative because victory means the subfaction you were following dies anyway.
>>98220002Full creative control?Revert Frenzy to all combats not just on the charge. Using 2 hand weapons counts as a hand weapon for all bonus effects (gromril etc) but gives -1 WS.Vision arc changed to 180 degree drawn from front of unit.Skirmish cav get the -1 to be hit by ranged attack. Magic resistance is a command range aura instead of a target so it works against things like enemy buffs and vortexs. Rename it to magic drain if you really feel the need.Flaming attacks reroll 1s to wound. Add new keyword that prevents this for units that make sense to have it.Things that boost casting cap out at wizard level. So a level 1 wizard only gets +1 at most. A level 2 can't have higher than +2 to cast.Half wizard level casting bonus rounds down instead of up.Front rank of models count towards rank bonus if it hits min rank size.If a charge goes further than the units movement stat it gets to fight with front two ranks.Add brace for impact charge reaction for infantry when charged in front arc. Units with shields get +1 armor, units with spears get +1 to hit, spear and shield units get both. Using brace for impact turns off press of battle.Behemoths get +1 bonus combat rez.Champions give +1 bonus combat rez capped to 1.Stupid causes the unit to move straight forward its movement during compulsory movement. Counts as charge if it touches the enemy. Add new keyword that makes stupid march speed forward.All wizards get one of their lore(s) signature spells in addition to their rolled spells, still limited to wizard level for number of spells cast per turn.Skirmish units ignore their own models for all LoS purposes.Characters count their wounds as their unit strength.
>>98222253>pigwoman>only two titsCome on now.
>>98222463>Horns form a temu khorne symbol Just like in my favorite vidya, to many or too big of tits, seriously hamper combat ability.
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