what are the pros and cons of left vs right? i have to admit that i don't hate the right one "per-say", but for some reason the art that goes together with right usually seems "soft" and the characters seem to lack "character", like they just put a random guy in a costume rather than showing in the face the weight of what such a character must have lived and been shaped by it
98231197Well, the one in the right is an actual thing, and the one on the left is something you made up to farm (you)s. So, it's kind of pointless to have a discussion about a thing you made up, eh?
>>98231197>more human male fighter noiseYou don't even play D&D so why do you give a fuck, you subhuman faggot?
>>98231221you can't farm (You)s as an op, only get called a faggot at best
>>98231197Left is someone who has played so many games and played so many characters that they've just defaulted to simplicity.Right is a particularly fruity newbie who hasn't played a game yet and so they are throwing shit at the wall.
>>98231232Then OP must really love being called a faggot.
>>98231197Elrin sounds elvish... he made 3 choices and fucked one up, good that he didn't try harder
>>98231197Both are bad
>>98231427what is an example of good?
Fuck off to your containment, slopper.
>>98231197>per-sayYour mom has a loose persay
>>98231580i'm not scared of you, grammar pedants are a diamond dozen on the internet
>>98231590*pendants
>>98231590*Ascared
>>98231430(You)r character
>>98231197I believe that old DnD, the character was simply a stat block that you used and replaced on death.With newer DnD having some focus on narrative, that also meant more attachment to the character past the stats and what /tg/ would call theatre kids.I prefer the latter because I like making my character with a lot of thought put into them past mechanics and it lets me make whatever I want that can somewhat work in the DM's role. If I wanted just mechanics where I characters enter the Tomb of Demons simply because that's the dungeon, I'd play a video game.>Games aren't binary when it comes to mechanics and roleplayAgreed, but I find people have a preference for one over the other.Unrelated, you easily could have used non AI art to make this point.
>>98231648If they did use non ai art, then it might have seemed like they gave a shit and weren’t just baiting people
>>98231197Both are fine. Sometimes people just want simplicity and something straightforward, other times people want something flashy and quirky. I've been gaming for decades now and done both of these things to varying degrees and seen many players do so as well (one player went from a bog standard sword and board human fighter in our OSE game and then became a luchador wrestling detective for our Cyberpunk RED game for instance).
>>98231237>Left is someone who has played so many games and played so many characters that they've just defaulted to simplicity.This makes no fucking sense and it's such a retarded nogames take to insist it as true. >>98231648>I believe that old DnD, the character was simply a stat block that you used and replaced on death.You're thinking of DCC and Mork Borg and other "high lethality" games. Maybe confusing the convention "tournaments" and other gimmick challenge games with real D&D. Before D&D ever existed, Arneson was running a homebrewed game with friends that lasted for years with his friends playing the same characters the entire time. There was no meatgrinder shit. There was no constantly rolling up new characters and slotting them in to replace the dead one. Even Gygax didn't do that with his friends, as much as he had a reputation for being a "rocks fall everyone dies" DM.The shit people keep selling you about "TRVE D&D AS GYGAX INTENDED" is not supported by the real history of the hobby or the game. Meatgrinder shit is a historical retcon.
Left and right both have basically existed since the very start.
>>98231825>This makes no senseIsn't that just a skill issue on your end?
>>98231948Try making a real argument instead. Use your words.
>>98231962Argument? Aren't you still misunderstanding this situation?
>>98232007Ah, nevermind then. You're retarded and have no actual substance behind your assertions.
>>98231825>Meatgrinder shit is a historical retcon.I'm probably on /tg/ too much so I got confused.
>>98231825Why does it make no sense? I've played a decent amount of games and kind of agree. It's a race that's always available, settings are rarely hostile towards them by default, you can take classes without being penalized by racials. I think lots of other people are the same way about other races, humans are just a popular choice to main. Same idea with classes.
>>98231825what are you even talking about retard
>>98232094We're not talking about race, especially since human is the best race to take in most editions. We're talking about the idea that someone would play so many games that they'd only "default to simplicity" which is nogames nonsense.
>>98231197>AI slop image>AI slop postJesus christ, we don't even have human OPs any more.
>>98232094Why are you AI posting?
>>98231197The one on the right is more late 90s/early 2000s with 3.5 where you would do a bunch of retarded shit to min-max. Like... the fucking text that slop describes on the right doesn't even work in 5.5>Half-elf, half-angelHalf species aren't allowed in 5.5 at all, and angels aren't even a playable option. Aasimar exist but aren't explicitly part angel.>ArtificerOkay, that's a class.>Gun-slingingA thing you can do, there are flintlocks in the PHB now and the system is better for it.>WarlockYou wouldn't do this, that's too MAD. Artificer uses Intelligence to cast, Warlock uses Charisma, and you need Constitution as well as Dexterity unless you're playing a specific Artificer or Warlock subclass, and even then you're going to run into issues.>Dragon petThat's a fucking 2014 Ranger feature. That's a three-way multiclass. To even achieve this you'd need:>The GM to allow Eberron content (not likely)>13+ INT, 13+WIS, 13+CHA (possible but leaves you starving for points in CON and DEX which you also need.>Level 4, likely at least Level 8 for your Artificer Subclass to use the firearms, a fighting style from Ranger, and the Dual Wielder feat>Hell, you probably want another ASI to boost your shitty stats tooNobody is playing the shit on the right, and anyone who says they are is a disingenuous faggot.
>>98232749>there are flintlocks in the PHB now and the system is better for it.They were in the DMG before, but you are right that guns should have been in the PHb the whole time.
>literally another god damn twitter ragebait image just mindlessly reposted hereThis board, no the entire website might as well be dead. Everyone posting here is putting in far more effort than the fucker that made the thread.
>>98232755That's why I specified the PHB. The other firearms are still in the 2024 DMG though and like you said should have been in the PHB.
>>98232568Are you retarded? I listed several reasons why it's simpler.>>98232620Kill yourself.
>>98231197>fake binary choiceKill yourself. Just do it
>>98231648It's more that you build your character through gameplay rather than turning up to the first session with a short story worth of background information for your character that nobody except (you) gives a shit about.
>>98233822How did we end up calling following a completely linear and rigid level progression with added magic items given by gm fiat "building your character through gameplay"?
>>98231197The right doesn't make any sense. The face is way too masculine for such a faggot character.
>>98231885any vintage examples on the right one?
>>98233842Anon was supposing old DnD characters had no attachment to narrative and I was correcting him. I don't know what your post means, sorry about that.
>>98233842Indeed. DnD won't let characters grow like that unless the gm chooses to place lots of homebrew options for growth.
>>98231197How did your last session go op dear?
>>98231682>>98231648>IF YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO DRAW YOU CAN'T HAVE AN OPINION ONLINE REEEEEget fucked. Im so glad artists are getting absolutely curbstomped by AI.
>>98235158If you can't find example supporting your argument and need ai to generate them it means your argument is based on something you made up in your head to get mad about/bait.
>>98235172There are plenty of examples of freakshit in human made DnD art. You absolute buffoon. Just go on tumblr or twitter or blue sky. >inb4 haha >Tumblr I'd never go on that fag site
>>98235172>>98235161Actually, you don't even have to leave 4chan, someone posted a well-known freakshit party art image in another thread.
The game styles reflect their times. Nowadays everyone's attention span is totally shot. Staying home isn't boring like it used to be. TTRPGs are competing with smartphones, vidya, binged tv series, etc. You want things on your own terms. The first adventure has to wow everyone or your players will wander off. People think a 3-4 hour game is long. Now imagine yourself 40 years ago. You're smarter than average. You live in a boring area(it's not a coincidence DnD came out of Wisconsin and not California). The only things on TV are Golden Girls and Punky Brewster - there's some stuff you like such as TNG but you have to wait a week to see another episode. You're probably way more willing to slog through muddy dungeons with a level one hero, tolerate players you're not super into, play for 6+ hours in a row, etc. >the weight of what such a character must have lived and been shaped by itThe concept of having a "build" planned in advance is abhorrent for this reason. Realistically you should be picking up both positive abilities/skills and negative stuff like injuries/curses/phobias based on your experiences
>>98235216>>98235221If there are so plentiful, why you keep circling the exact same 4 images for years?
>>98235239You want the real answer? Because people save images from here and recycle them. Its laziness. Not lack of content. https://www.tumblr.com/tagged/dnd%20partyLook. I even gave you a direct URL so you have no excuse. Tons of freakshit. Inb4 you post the one counterexample you find. Don't be disingenuous. There is a fuckton of freakshit and even the normal parties are dressed in 1990s punk gear. The modern DnD player is fucking awful. And these are the high effort players, who care about the game enough to draw their party.
>>98231197What did this topic have to do with your last session of traditional games?
>>98233888NTA but I stumbled across this article the other day by Eric Holmes, editor of the first basic set, which includes an interesting aside about early characters in his own games:>The second edition Basic Set makes a number of minor changes and adds 18 pages’ worth of new material to the booklet. Most of the changes and additions are, I think, improvements. I would like to examine a few of them more closely.>Character classes: Player characters are restricted to being a Fighter, Cleric, Thief, Magic-User, Elf, Halfling or Dwarf. This probably covers the roles most beginning players want to try, but I am personally sorry to see the range of possibilities so restricted. The original rules (the three little brown books) specifically stated that a player could be a dragon if he wanted to be, and if he started at first level. For several years there was a dragon player character in my own game. At first level he could puff a little fire and do one die of damage. He could, of course, fly, even at first level. He was one of the most unpopular characters in the game, but this was because of the way he was played, not because he was a dragon. I enjoyed having dragons, centaurs, samurai and witch doctors in the game. My own most successful player character was a Dreenoi, an insectoid creature borrowed from McEwan’s Starguard. He reached fourth level (as high as any of my personal characters ever got), made an unfortunate decision, and was turned into a pool of green slime.https://swordandshieldrpg.blogspot.com/2011/07/holmes-compares-his-basic-d-boxed-set.htmlI thought it was funny that the guy who wanted to play a dragon was just a straight-up obnoxious player. Go figure.
>>98235307>gay elvesDid you ever read Corellon first edition description? No, of course because you are just a fucking tourist.
>>98231221Are you telling me elrin the human fighter isn't real? :(
>>98235158>computer... please generate new things for me to hate. Use Nevada's entire power grid to do so.
>>98235236This poster gets it. My group is a mix of millennials and Gen-Xers and even I start campaigns at level 7 now just to make sure people don't get bored with low level tropes.
>>98235158Im with you. The AI art hate has absolutely poisoned the community. I will use AI art for all of my apps because its saves time and effort I can instead use to balance encounters better.
>this defeats the drawingPathetic
>>98236231>>98235158>Fucked up hand with too many fingers>Generic, ugly face>Hair that looks like it's made out of plastic>Wrinkles don't make any sense.>Hips are connected too low>Arms are too shortYeah nah mate
>>98236304I asked for 6 fingers on each hand!
>>98236441Sure you did buddy. Sure you did.
>>98231197>per-sayYou know you don't get paid out for engagement bait like you do on twitter, Ranjesh. Keep your ESL scamming over there
>>98235236>more recycled strawmenYawn.
>>98236527Six fingered people exist you know. The condition is called hexadactyly and it isn't that rare. AI just makes sure that they are represented that's all.
>>98236667I don't give a shit about your sjw faggotry, AI is for lazy cucks who have no skill, no talent, and are incapable of creating anything let alone doing anything that involves hard work or effort.
>>98236700>sjw>Just because I noticed that AI raises awareness about polydactylyThe culture war and its consequences are a disaster for the american brain.
>>98236713>raises awarenessThat's SJW shit, yeah.
>>98236755Permanent brain damage. I will pray for you and yours.
>>98236713Disabilities don't make you special, in fact humanity should be striving to cure all of them. I don't give two shits about some 0.05% of the population who has an extra thumb because their mother is their sister and their father is their brother or whatever dumb inbred hillbilly bullshit, it doesn't invalidate my point.
>>98236842You're literally using culture war talking points lil bro.
>>98236852"Raising Awareness" as a talking point predates the culture war by 50+ years zoomie.
>>98236848Hexadactyly is not a disability, it doesn't need a cure ,it is not caused by inbreeding and nobody gives a shit about you ludidte points. Here you learned something new today, Awareness was raised. Another win for AI.
>>98236980It's an aberration, a mutation that does not need to exist. It makes you subhuman and if you have it you should be purged from the gene pool.
>>98231197The one on the right existed before you were even born tho.
>>98232749Dragon pet could be a psuedo-dragon from the warlock side or be something picked up mid-campaign.
>>98237233True, but again the rest of my post holds water.
>>98236700STFU you don't know me. Im not spending 20 hours drawing npcs (let alone paying for) my players might not even meet you shitwit.
>>98237272Lazy, shouldn't be a GM.
>>98237361You are looking for something to be outraged about seek professional help.
>>98231197A shocking characteristic of Indians is that they seem to inhabit a fantasy world, and rush into conversion as if their fantasy conception is the real world. They seem to hallucinated as much as the AU they so dearly love. Maybe that's even why it's so popular with them?
>>98235236Trvthnuke
>>98236527>>98236700Anon, you are the most easily trolled person on this website. The other guy is obviously and clearly joking. >>98234098>homebrew options for growth.What the fuck are you talking aboutYou don't need mechanics for character development, you just need to develop their personally in response to the things that happen to them.
>>98236554Genuinely, I would not put it past Hiroyuki or his mysterious financiers to pay for "guerilla" jeets to spoof activity on this dead-as-fuck site.
>>98235612>moving the goalposts this blatantly
>>98237217>It's an aberration, a mutation that does not need to exist. Sorry, chromosomal aberrations and mutations are mechanisms of evolution and you don't get to choose if it needs to exist or not. Evolution will decide that.>It makes you subhumanNo it doesn't make you a woman. Your biology is really dusty. Good thing I am here to inform, educate and raise awareness.>if you have it you should be purged from the gene pool.>Billions must dieI really love you unironic, unapologetic chuds. You gave us pic rel and I will always be grateful about that. Godspeed.
>>98231197>Left Pros:Simple, and can be incredibly fun. Adds a very easy mental escape to the game, like reading a really vivid book.>Left Cons:You need a party that understands the assignment and plays logically and realistically, otherwise the entire game is kind of pointless.>Right Pros:A lot of creativity and better, simpler rules. Basically, turns a model UN meeting into an improv class, which can be fun to some.>Right Cons:Attracts the worst kind of people and loses sense of the reason pen and paper became a thing in the first place.
>>98238405That's not a chud thobeightall, that's a redditor.
>>98236554>>98237675newfags
