>here’s your more narrative edition bro
GW is incapable of changing the culture from being lazy meta tourny shit and sweats because they can't help but make dogshit balancing rules intended to move overpriced models.
>>98234240To be honest anon if this shit was actually painted and there was some proper scatter terrain and they were using proper terrain areas rather than plain MDF this is easier to make look good than the L shaped hell of 10th
>>98234258>if literally everything was different it would be good Compelling argument
>>98234249Game went to shit the moment they started appealing to Judaized Amerimutts who have a judaized brain which is why their first instinct on reading a rule is to find misprints they can exploit. And of course not to mention zero creativity or soul, another key aspect of the judaized mind.
>>98234356It doesn't matter how good (or bad) the terrain rules are if people intentionally choose not to paint them or make any effort to make them look good. You know there was nothing stopping people from playing on ugly unpainted terrain even all the way back in 2nd edition. Maybe you should stop worrying about how strangers play games that don't involve you and start worrying about how the rules may affect your games with your terrain? That is, if you even played 10th or intend to play 11th.
>>98234364nah it's when they went public and the objective of the company went from doing nerd shit because nerds want to do nerd shit to making money for stockholders
>>98234249Nah it’s literally just so they can start selling annual terrain layouts alongside their annual mission packs. 40k is turning into games as a service. The first of its kind for tabletop.
>>98234430Lol
>>98234601already doing that in kill team. you're probably right
>>98234622I really don’t understand why people still pay for it. Checked out of nu 40k pretty damn quick after getting fucked with a codex that was invalidated on launch every single time I bought one. These retards still pay even when GW is doing everything short of breaking into their house and robbing them at gunpoint.
>>98234633whats worse is that they COMPLAIN ABOUT IT EVERY TIMEthey're addicted, plain and simpleor they feel the need to keep participating in this cycle because "well everyone else does...."
I’ll purchase it
>>98234617I accept your concession.
>>98234706Mentally ill troon thinks every post is a potential debate
>>98234683Is it possible to achieve this build without crossing the rubicon Primaris?
>>98234681Yeah it’s astounding. I can excuse some of it as fomo but the thing that really makes my jaw drop is when two players mutually acknowledge that a rule is vague or simply a bad rule and rather than simply house ruling it they will say “ah well I’m sure that’ll get fixed in the next faq”. Actual cattle.
>>98234724Not everyone who disagrees with you can be a tranny, anon. It's statistically improbable. But feel free to explain why the terrain rules are *OBJECTIVELY* bad compared to older, more sovlful times, and why other people's dogshit setups are your personal problem at your leisure.
>>98234741>how does the overall state of the game and players affect YOU personallyFair point as I would never touch 11th edition without significant home-brew changes. Something the average nu40k player struggles to comprehend and refuses to even try without an official warcom article or FAQ.
>>98234356He's right though, area terrain objectively allows you to be more creative with terrain building because you're no longer as heavily constrained by the absurd tyranny of TLOS, so you can get more funky with it. Doesn't have anything to do with tourney players being stupid retards who think pushing plastic toys around qualifies as a sport of some kind.
>>98234683What does its shirt say?Also any suggestions for games that don’t attract this type of failed adult?
>>98234733it's always "if" and "when" but never "is"40kis now the potential man of wargames
>>98234858Current 11th terrain is very similar to 4th terrain mechanics. Didn't need a detection mechanic to accomplish the same thing.Fixed layouts might be biggest issue here. Since old 4th simply said at least cover like 25% of the board in terrain. What type of terrain is up to you
>>98234858I think a reason that terrain matters so much more now is because the game is just so lethal. So many attacks and so many abilities to reroll etc. Also yes tournament players are irredeemable subhumans and I do not doubt such specimens existed back in the day.
>>98235139There’s the rub, I don’t think I’ve ever played a game of 40k recently where we weren’t spending 30 minutes measuring out all the terrain precisely according to the mission
>>98234364GW is the most Judeo-Anglo company out there right now Nigel.
>>98234681>>98234733The people propping up GW are often friendless losers incapable of making personal connections with others outside of autistically focusing on 40k lore and rules. All they care about is that they can lazily get a game together at will with some other desperate loser at the LGS where eventually all the losers bond over all being buckbroken by GW's garbage rules changes and editions that go by at ludicrous speed to encourage people to continue consuming. They are trapped in Plato's Skinnerbox cave.
>>98234726Eating daily at the local greaseball counter service nearby the LGS and then supplementing with full calorie soda, alcohol and hot pockets when not at the LGS.
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>>98235225Such dedicated service to the emperor must be rewarded with more preorders
>>98234908Unless the game give bonuses for doing push up during the game and heavy penalties for body modification. Those things will show up to any game.
>>98235471Game Idea, you have to PR a lift to roll the dice.
>Criticizing ad-hoc terrain someone put together to play an edition that hasn't even released yetCompletely soulless post OP. This is no different than when you first start Warhammer and fight over a battlefield of Boxes and Kitchen Supplies. The new changes to 11e are definitely still gamey with a competitive focus, but the new narrative centered rules are a step in the right direction.>Asymmetric missions depending on your army type>An actual campaign system utilizing said asymmetric mission system, a nice tough after the embarrassing marketing ploy that was Crusade>Greater variety of terrain encouraged, not just L-shaped ruins on a featureless plain>More emphasis on customization with detachment unit-enhancementsPersonally I using felt cutouts for my initial test games, with some moss to blend in the edges. My first game will be Necrons vs Orks on the Fringe Jungle World of Thasa. Overgrown Imperial ruins mixed with Necron pylons, jungle patches, and previous evidence of battle will be the theme. I'm hoping it's a fun game, but worst case I shelve my 40k stuff for another edition.
>>98235946that's a nice map
>>98235946>GW defense drone deployed Took you long enough.
What does this have with the edition? Like, how are these things connected in literally any way?How would the text force this person to craft terrain? Do you think a gun would emerge from the book and threaten them until they go and paint little rocks?
>>98235147Where are the missions located? I've been reading the 11th edition rulebook and don't see any
>>98234683Idk why but I absolutely despise how 40k/AoS tournie fags have their gay little jerseys they wear.
>>98234240Why even bother with the ruins anymore? Just draw some red lines down any side of a piece of paper you dont want people to be able to shoot through and store 1000 tables worth of terrain in a ringbinder
>>98234908>What does its shirt say?Looks like SECTOR*CUM
>>98236546Event Companion downloadable on WarCom
>>98236457Nogames
>>98234364Jumping on the American style tourney train and letting drunk interns write and release rules without playtesting has been a disaster for 40k. Ironic that it’s never been more popular to thank (with showers of cash) a soulless corporate machine for shitting in your mouth.40K sucks and has done since 7th edition and I have nothing but contempt for anyone who willingly bought in at any point after about 2012.
>>98237124Literally answer the question. How on earth are the rules going to make someone paint terrain? It's paper. Someone who doesn't want to do that won't do that.
>>98237192Rules say your gay if you don't, problem solved. And just in case if you are already gay, then we are sending you to gay conversion camp.
>>98234364>>98237183It's so funny watching bongoloids kvetch and blame their American owners every time some bongistani does something stupid. Bongs are as culturally incapable of accepting responsibility for their actions as women. No wonder they refuse to do anything about the rape gangs.
>>98234240wtf where are the brave bipoc guardswomen who stand up to Chaos Space Marines
>>98237547You... You don't know what happens to women who see Chaos Space Marines, do you?
>>98234240They'd never do it but if they came out with a set where you play a 3 or 4 battle campaign where the buildings start off as normal and as the game progresses you trade the buildings out with more damaged buildings and depending on who wins and what happens in the games it changes the battle dynamic of the map and how you navigate it, but that's too much work for the people who "love" the game apparently.And to be fair to them, if they did do something like that, it would cost a small fortune and would it really sell? At this point I really just want them to make a digital version of the wargame if they are this worried about the current economics of the world.
>>98237539Nobody mentioned bongs
>>98237539>bongoloidI'm stealing that
>>98234249Im convinced that GW is still mindfucked by Warmachine being a smidge popular, Its an explanation for the move to a "living narrative" and competetive circlejerking with flat featureless terrain that makes the most sense to me
>>98238023Well Warmachine is cheap compared to GW's stuff and it comes pre-painted which a lot of casual (non-pejoratively) players like cause they can just slap together an army, read the rules, and start playing.
>>98238057Pre-painted since when? Half my House Kallys army is sitting unpainted in my shelf waiting for their turn at the desk
>>98234430> if people intentionally choose not to paint them or make any effort to make them look good. The exact terrain dimensions have been out for like two weeks and there's scheduled tournaments that have to stock dozens of tables almost immediately, it's understandable they aren't ready yetUgly, but understandable
>>98238394Come on, at least throw some sand and a quick and dirty paint job with spray cans. There are ways of having presentable tables with an absurd turnaround time. Unpainted mdf is a sign of a rotten soul.
>>98238394Almost makes one ponder the folly of tournaments and competetive wargaming…..
>>98238442Nothing makes me laugh more than faggots who PAY for tournaments and see a completely dogshit unpainted board and or dogshit unpainted minis of their opponent and still give their money to these TOs lol. I’d simply ask for a refund if I see any unpainted terrain and I’d do my best to avoid unpainted armies. The soulless argument kinda rings true I really don’t see any truly creative individuals (as most human beings are in their natural state, before getting judaized) play nu40k and they don’t even need to try it to see what dogshit it is for anything except an ego boost for compfags
>>98236623>idk whyIt’s simple. They put in the absolute least effort of anyone in the trad game scene, have the lowest ability to work with nuance, demand that wargames be exactly like their equal and symmetrical team shooter video games, have never read a nonfiction book in their lives about military history, but still want to be seen as serious, intellectually threatening strategists and commanders. The reality is that they can’t even command themselves to stop consooming slop products and literal poisons every single day
>>98234258>...if this shit was actually painted...*sigh*, we all know that's never going to happen.
>>98237656Astartes dont have dicks.
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>>98239772So you actually don't know how more Chaos Space Marines are made... It's worse than rape for women... If you can call what they do them women at the end of it...
>>98239842Daemonculaba was a one off Iron Warriors thing that got blown up.>how more Chaos Space Marines are madeSTOP ASKING QUESTIONS
>>98239867>Daemonculaba was a one off Iron Warriors thing that got blown up.They aren't the only ones doing it, Daemonculaba was just one of the known ones to Imperial Intelligence and a narratively known one for narrative lore fluff reasons.There are also other ways to make CSM that have nothing to do with the Daemonculaba way of doing it, but there are other CSM factions that do use the same method.What I don't get is that there are CSM factions that just refuse to do that entirely and either recruit from loyalist factions... Somehow... Or they are one of the Horus Heresy Legions where they are just so undeniably overpowered that it never occurs to them to replenish their Legions because they are effectively immortal and a team of 5 can wipe a whole planet wide army without sustaining casualties.Just witnessing some of them alone is enough to drive Guardsmen insane or turn them into Chaos Worshipers so...Too bad those kinds of factions rarely leave the Eye of Terror, even if its in Abadon's Black Crusades those elder factions were just happy to sit in the EoT just jerking off or fighting other CSM or w/e.
>>98237539Every time somebody BLAMES GAMES WORKSHOP for pandering to the US tournament scene (which is exactly what fucking happened mind you, they consulted the Frontline Gaming clowns for 8th) one of you functionally illiterate crybabies sees the word America and starts crying immediately
>>98246314They hate us because they ain't us, that's usually how vassal states roll.
>>98246314They pledge allegiance, they are compelled to sperg out
>>98237533I tear out that page. The rules no longer say that and I'm free to use my terrain the way I want. Problem solved.
>I need artsy little painted rocks to play my tabletop gamewhy is this board full of women?
>>98246977>tearing a rule bookAnd now you're banned from the store and you have to buy me a new book.
>>98246988>women>painting rocksWomen refuse to use or wear anything that doesn't cause men death or immense suffering like diamonds or jewels mined by slave labor. Them being pretty and sparkly is just the icing on the cake.
