If dreadnoughts are so tough, why not put every Space Marine in them?
>>98237018Can a Dreadnought fit in a space ship corridor? Or an underhive tunnel? Or the planetary governor's office? Can it shelter in a basement during an orbital strike of giga turbo lasers that melt everything on the surface? Can it feed itself on the local wildlife when cut off from support?You use the right tool for the job.
>>98237037I hate when an idea I have is dismantled in the very first post of a thread. But you are right;
>>98237018I guess centurion suits are technically filling that niche
>>98237037Now granted some would wonder if Dread technology should be limited to 'using it as life support', especially in the light of the goofy ass Invictor but that's just nu40k nonsense.Although it still begs the question why the Imperium did not adapt the tech of the Sentinel for use with marines and giving it arms.
>>98237018>So I say to the guy, How're you going to get the tank down to the planet? >And he goes, I'll just put it on the ship. >And I go, if you've got a ship that can carry a tank, why not just put guns on the ship and use it instead?
>>98237037Yes, real dreadnoughts can.
>>98237018Because we already did that.
>>98237290>Although it still begs the question why the Imperium did not adapt the tech of the Sentinel for use with marines and giving it arms.The Grey Knights have that exoskeleton thing, and I think the Primaris have a similar unit that's just OP's pic but instead of the coffin it's an open cockpit like the Sentinel has, though they don't really serve the same role as the Sentinel.I mean, would the Marines really gain anything with a Sentinel with arms? Their basic power armour basically does everything the Sentinel does for the Guard.>>98237553And haven't the admech done it better, since they skip the part where the fleshbits are Space Marines first and just take some poor bastard, turn them into a nugget, and then slave them to a machine that only knows how to fight for the admech?
>>98237018Post models.
>>98237047No one's said it yet but I will. That's cool as hell of you.
Mods. Let's make a new rule. If blowhard faggots like >>98238350 make such posts, they must attach time stamped of their minis up their butts or get banned.
>>98237018Because GW wants kiddies to buy lots of space marine figures (with all the variants, specialists, heros, Primarchs and vehicles that go with them), not just a couple of deadnought models.
>>98238551I think it is an ai trained bot, anon.Same goes for the “traditional games?” Posting bot.
Does anyone know if the Redemptor chassis still kills the pilot after a certain period of time?
>>98237018because they are expensive even by marine standards, that and even the dreads that don't literally kill their occupants tend to make said occupants go crazy
>>98237018Dreadnought suits are a limited resource as the Imperium of Man is technologically backwards and only knows how to maintain most of its tech. /Thread>>98237318People are much, much, much more common in 40k than tanks
>>98237037That's why you need marines to be inside mini-dreads that then fit inside bigger dreads for combat.
>>98237018>If multirole F-35s are so great, why isn't every plane in the US arsenal an F-35?
>>98243254You can't /thread your own post you fucking homo
>>98237018As long as they didnt changed the lore, not every Space Marine can become a Dreadnought. I think we have the Robocop dilemma, you cant manufacture that many Robocops.
>>98244021Never watched Robocop. What's going on here?
>>98244021I mean, why would you even need to be half-dead anyway?Knights exist, just make it a mech suit, in victors already exist, just make it heavily armored.
If tanks are so tough why don't they put every rifleman in a tank?
>>98244410After the success of Robocop, they try to make another one. But every successor they create runs amok and kills itself.
>>98244434You are right. Dreadnoughts are just a mean to inrease the numbers of piloted mechs by reanimate near corpses.
>>98241204Yeah they Redemptor still kills the pilot from burnout.
this is my dreadnoughtI like them and i dont even have SM
>>98245609I can see the effort and skill that went into this, but it gives "try-hard" vibes.
>>98237018Titans are even tougher than dreadnoughts. Why not put every space marine in a titan? Are the mechanicus stupid?
>>98243254>/threads own post >doesn't get the reference newfag
>>98245629>but it gives "try-hard" vibes.absolutely, i was practicing glow effect and things like that over a paint scheme and stuffSometimes less is more but I had so much fun doing it and learned quite a few tricks
if big guns are so awesome why not just put servitors on them?
>>98237018They do have dismountable/piloted dreadnoughts now, they're called Invictor Warsuits and they look silly.That being said: Space marines are already almost too big for some environments, and they owe a lot of their ability to move around places like Underhives because STC built structures are designed to facilitate cargo everywhere.Old boxnaughts were only a bit bigger than a terminator, and were armed with a slightly stronger power fist and an assault cannon that a terminator could also be equipped with. They were more heavily armored, but it was a side effect of the sarcophogus being very durable (and meant to be reused)If a living marine wanted to have similar capabilities to a dreadnought, they could just get in a vehicle and be faster + more flexible.That being said, back in the day dreadnoughts were NOT only piloted by nuggeted marines, in fact Sisters of Battle had their own dreadnoughts, as well as Eldar (Wraithlords used to be called Eldar Dreadnoughts)Orks too, you can still see this with deffdredsNowadays it's different, Redemptors are the size of armiger knights and are roughly as capable. They probably could be piloted, but the control systems burn out the pilot's nervous system so only dead guys get the job.
>>98245451...you mean the movie, or the character?Also, yeah, I checked it on Youtube. Damn, that's horrible. Why do they even give them live bullets?
>>98237037>Can a Dreadnought fit in a space ship corridor?Yes.
>>98245719Well then, overall it seems the process and end result was a net positive.
>>98245609I like the chequring a lot, my only wish would be for the chequred squares on the shoulders to be the same size on both sides
>>98238116>And haven't the admech done it better, since they skip the part where the fleshbits are Space Marines first and just take some poor bastard, turn them into a nugget, and then slave them to a machine that only knows how to fight for the admech?Yes, that's how Skitarii work too.And the best part is that when they inevitably die, they can take the augments off, throw away the corpse and put it on a new idiot who gets their personality overwritten by the Corpus-Skitarii engrams. So you don't even lose the Skitarii, for all intents and purposes they just get back up like nothing happened.
>>98237018Because the Imperium is in a production deficit. At least it was, now it can shit out a trillion ugly hover tanks as needed so there's no longer an excuse.
>>98245763I mean the character Robocop. In the movie the company who made him tries to create a successor. Sorry, if i was too vague.
>>98246233Ooh, right. They end up using a criminal because they're morons, right? I vaguely remember that.
>>98246547Yes, they are a greedy company and need a product ready and ignore that the test subject is a criminal. Because this criminal is the perfect candidate.
>>98237018>if tanks are so tough why not put every soldier ion them?sounds retarded, isn't it?
>>98237290Man this is one of my biggest gripes with 40k, I get the entire imperium is super inefficient but cawl really spent like 10k years making the gay primaris bolt rifle when he could have just scaled up helguns and had those be the new thing. Hell, they could just have them be gauntlet mounted or something and still use bolters as their primary weapon.
>>98246914I see. Not gonna lie, the parable of the extremely greedy company is always owned by Weyland-Yutani and Pentex, can't do worse.
>>98237290>>98238116iirc the dreadknight (grey knights baby carrier) requires a psyker to pilot it so that's why it's not used by other chapters
>>98246547They may or may not address it in the film, but what makes them morons is that they don't give him Prime Directives like they did with Robocop. In the first movie Robocop can't shoot a bad guy because there's a Directive that prevents him from harming OCP personnel and it's resolved by the CEO firing the bad guy in question. In the second film where they make the Robo-criminal, they add a billion directives to Robocop such that there's a scene where his vision is filled with stupid, contradictory Directives that paralyze him and basically cause a system crash.
>>98247633...why are people so dumb in movies. Don't they realize the movie would be people if characters weren't stupid?>hurr durr I can't wear a helmet because i'm a character>hurr durr i can't retreat when outnumbered by orks
>>98238353It takes intelligence and humility to say what he said.
>>98247721I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here, but in the same fucking movie where this same stupid corporation makes Robo-criminal, they make Robocop into a leftoid sissy with Prime Directives who can only finger wag at a dude shooting at him. For all I know there's a corrupt exec who says "no, we're not going to shackle Robo-criminal with Prime Directives so I can use him as my private enforcer!" because I can vaguely recall a scene where a corrupt exec gives Robo-criminal drugs in order to secure Robo-criminal's co-operation in something underhanded. It's been a long time since I saw Robocop 2.
>>98247725That's true, but I don't think most of us come to 4chan to be intelligent and humble - we come here to be unreservedly abrasive and stupid and call others slurs with impunity.
>>98237018Now I admire Bjorn The Fell Handed, I do. What I admire is, in his schizophrenic rambling, there is an element of true story telling. When Bjorn meets Magnus in The Fang, that's not two schizos posturing; that's combat. Two men, trying to kill each other right now. If you don't roll 6s…he kills you. That's beyond combat. That's beyond tablet top warfare, you know? That's two warriors engaged in combat; that's what I admire.
>>98247505>not used by other chapters
>>98245763>Why do they even give them live bullets?Tradition:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYsulVXpgYg
>>98237340As much as I love the new dreddies the scale of them being gigantic really fucks up the theme of them being a walking coffin.
>>98247739Just angrily ranting at how stupid characters in medias can get. Not just in Robocop but also in Warhammer.
>>98247996Gotcha. Fair enough, and you're spitting facts, as the youth say.
>>98248018You know what kind of Warhammer stuff I'd like? Something like Event Horizon, a story of a crew boarding and salvaging a ghost ship, complete with flushing the daemon out. I fucking love ghost stories.
If dreadnoughts are so versatile, why do they not have jump jets?
>>98237318The fact of the matter is that the vast, vast, vast, overwhelming majority of conflict in 40k would have to be done through ship-to-ship or ship-to-surface combat. There is practically no reason to have ground troops at all, except for the very rare circumstances in which...1) You have fleet superiority, but cannot possibly bear to do any damage to the planet for some reason, AND the enemy is so stubborn or suicidal or irrational that they are willing to all die rather than make any sort of negotiation, and so you have to clear out the enemy in ground battles.or2) You have fleet superiority, but you are all retarded and just like fighting in melee; similar to if there were guys who just loved cavalry charges and kept doing them against modern militaries today, just because they want to (and damn the consequences). The Orks are 100% this, but that's their whole schtick and I suppose we love them for it. The tyranids are a flavour of this but at least their whole thing is "eating" which does have to be done in person.or3) It's some kind of insurgency. Genestealer cults and Lost and the Damned cults are this.or4) For some reason, neither you nor the enemy could possibly ever allow the planet to be damaged.#1 surely could happen to the Imperium a bit, since they are mentally retarded and can't bear losing a single light bulb since they turned off the light bulb factory and threw out the "how to make a lightbulb" guides. But for the enemies of the Imperium that surely doesn't really happen; I'm sure Chaos, the Eldar, the Necrons, etc etc, are mostly just happy to blow up everything the Imperium has and rebuild the planet with their own shit, if they even care to in the first place. I'm not an expert on the Tau but I doubt they really care that much about the rights/prosperity of enemy systems.
>>98248120#2 is factions that don't really need to justify it, but on the other hand any faction that gets into a ground fight with the orks or tyranids already lost in space, so it's already over really, and if you want to stop it happening again then you build more ships, not more little guys with tanks and guns.#3 is genuine also, but it really limits the kinds of enemies that you should be running into and could hardly be a job for more than peacekeepers and the guard, under 99% of situations.#4 really can't be that common.So 40k is a game about taking the smallest of smallest of smallest of fraction of encounters, and playing only those. Like a wargame that models only the charges of cavalry against armored formations in WW2, and doesn't touch anything else at all.
>>98248120>I'm sure Chaos, the Eldar, the Necrons, etc etc, are mostly just happy to blow up everything the Imperium has and rebuild the planet with their own shitChaos has some factions that definitely fall into the #2 camp with the OrksEldar might not want to risk warships when a precision strike of ground forces (through the webway) might achieve their goal
>>98245746>but the control systems burn out the pilot's nervous system so only dead guys get the jobWhich is really dumb because being put into a dreadnought was almost always depicted as being a great honour commonly reserved for mortally wounded heroes. Now that primaris stuff is completely replacing the original Space Marines I imagine that's been quietly dropped.
>>98248120There's a secret fifth chaos god of cool sci-fi battles who's so powerful he's able to subtly alter everyone's minds so they go fight more cool sci-fi battles.
>>98247046The sad story of life is that those greedy companies are satire but still fits 99% of all companies that exist today.
>>98247744You can be humble, and also use slurs with impunity.Corporate meddling in our hobbies has made Niggertroons of us all.
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>>98248042But some do anon
>>98245763>Why do they even give them live bullets?It's a satire.
