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>>98245838 >though it doesn't help my disbelief that 1e handed it out like candy.Eh, I kinda liked that take of golcona. It was the ultimate proof that the vampires masterbating about how they HAVE to be monsters now were always full of shit.It's actually funny that 1e used to absolutely dunk on the "petsonal horror" crowd as fucking losers trying to pretend their shitty decisions were anyone else's fault but their own.
why are woofs the cutest splat most deserving of heatpats
>>98244680 >>98245552 >>98245676 >True Faith I agree it should be achievable but pretty rare, specifically for extremely righteous NPCs that give the Old school Hunter Inquisitor vibe rather than the silly "faith in credit card" meme. Feel like Cappadocius should've had a couple dots for example. Latin American and Russian Orthodox grandmas should have 1 dot by default. >Bardo Muh ackshually good guy vampires doesn't make sense of World of DARKNESS and the idea was done better by the Salubri having actual lore, not to mention "oh just go to these guys and stop dealing with that pesky morality and humanity, anyone can join" is a retarded idea. The idea of an Osirirs Vs Sent rivalry had potential but they went about it in the worst possible ways. Glad they wrote them out by deciding The Setites genocided these bald fucks. >Golconda I feel it works better as an unspecified mysterious ST tool rather than another powerup with specified mechanics anyone can reach, though it doesn't help my disbelief that 1e handed it out like candy. I feel like every path of enlightenment should have its own version with different effects to hang a carrot on roadmaxxing in the form of one-time elder discipline usages or minor miracles to encourage roleplay.
>>98244680 >>98245552 >>98245676 >>98245838 Off topic, but it really highlight the tragic missed potential how all 3 of the "Vampire Good Guy" options/factions were holding one of the missing peices to saving the vsmpire race from damnation, but never figured out they needed others.Golconda quiets the beast as long as you maintain high humanity, bardo allows you to regain humanity easily, ward off tricks from other vampires, and mitigate the wraknesses of vampirism, and true faith allows you to expand your virtues to prevent humanity loss and drive off demonic forces and magic.If the salubri, osirians, and lasombra just worked together for 5 minutes, they'd have broken the shackles of the eldets and created a real way out of the endles jyhad. So close, yet so far.
>>98245914>woofsI think you misspelled hunchbacks.
>>98245930>Vampire Good Guy>LasombraWhat?
>>98245945Niche lore. Lasombra have a sub-faction of demon hunters with true faith ratings. Its a holdover from the fact they were the militant arm of the catholic church and helped build the organization that eventually became the inquisition.Just like Vlaf and the Tzimisce, the Lasombra were actually good guy during the dark ages. That's how bad the assamites were back then.
>>98245930>lasombralol what?>If the salubri, osiriansthose two are pointed out in the writings to be incompatible Golconda is not just keeping 7+ humanity it's also enlightment and reaching tranquility with the beast to transcend the inherent chaos of the cursebut for the osirian the beast and vampirism itself is a bad thing that's why their holy grail of end states is becoming human again instead of becoming a transcended vampireone is exploring the vampirc state using bits and pieces of theology that saulot picked up during his travels. while the other is treating vampirism like you would a illness using the humanity meter to reduce symptoms
>>98245978>Anon missed the pre-20th lore that hinted golconda turned you humanYou need to read more books anon.
>>98245974So the pre-anarch revolt clans were absolute gigachads and the sabbat is just spoiled boomer children that hate their parents?
>>98245974>the Lasombra were actually good guy during the dark ages.ehh, calling the entire clan good guys is a huge stretch. They had a small wing of demon hunters, most involved in the church viewed it as a means to an end. Not to mention, in Iberia there were Muslim Lasombra, the clan had a civil war over it. Abyss-worshipping weirdos were common. So were power hungry monsters. The core of the clan was still very evil, remember their Antediluvian was active during this time, based out of his castle of shadows.
>>98245992that's just one version of golconda that never shows up given that every npc that is in golconda is still a vampire and it doesn't really change the fact that the children of osiris don't work with golconda seekers because again they don't think that transcending vampirism is a thing (and yes they are wrong about that)one thing that you also have to keep in mind is that they are after all part of a league who's (pretty much unachievable) end goals involved total vampire genocide which is also why they won't (or can't depending on book) embrace
>>98246032Really just highlights anons point though, if just one of the osirians got their hrads out of their ass and worked with the salubri they'd have solved a number of issues.However, this is the world of darkness. A person not having their head firmly up their own ass practically qualifies them for Sainthood in this setting. Common Sense is rarer than True Faith.
>>98246070>Common Sense is rarer than True Faithi mean have you seen a single npc who had that merit?
>>98245930You forgot Azhi Dahaka in all of that
>>98246032>one thing that you also have to keep in mind is that they are after all part of a league who's (pretty much unachievable) end goals involved total vampire genocide which is also why they won't (or can't depending on book) embraceNot an ally the Inquisition wants but the one it gets lmao
>>98246002No not really. At best most medieval vampire conflicts were bad guys vs. worse guys. Both the Lasombra and Tzimisce were justifiably terrified/resentful of their Antediluvians and the Methuselah loyal to them and revolted when an opportunity presented itself. The previous clan establishment wasn't more or less righteous or just, it was a conflict of interest between the old establishment and the youngsters, both of whom were dominated by self-interested assholes.
>>98246089the orisian league and the inqusition meeting would be hillarious>what do you mean the egyptian phanteon wants to join us?but i doubt it would work out given the fera and witch members the league has
>>98246087My guy, no amount of cope will change the fact saulots enlightenment project is just objectively better than The Eldest's. It has a larger amount of course completion and better measurable metrics.Why The Eldest, a specialist in the flesh, thought he could outdo the clan of soul healers in matters of the spiritual is beyond me.
>>98246121he was allegedly a "shaman" before his embrace so the whole flesh thing might be part of his antedeluvian religion. the whole "there no seperation between spirit and flesh" believe needs to come from somewhere after alland if we go by dtf then that might have been the case before the flood with the lore of flesh and phases nonsense demons throw around
So what are the strengths of each fera species? Without the gifts or mystical powers like pocket realms. All natural.I’m curious about if they’re all balanced or if there are clear superior ones.
>>98246461Not balanced even in the slightest. Mokole, by default, have a build-your-own-crinos form that can scale up to godzilla size and power.Watch godzilla minus one and keep in the back of your head that any given Mokole is able to do that before we even considet gifts. Firebreath included.
>>98246461no gifts? a single mokole can probably take on the entire corax population, but only if the corax don't give up and fly away
>>98246461If we go by raw stats and default abilities, Mokole with Ratkin as a honorable mention.Mokole because they can go for something absurd like +20 Soak or +10 Soak and +5 Stamina easily or other combination. Ratkin is honorable mention because they have the best Crinos stat bonus, +4 Dexterity. Dexterity is the best physical attribute. They also have stuff like immunity to diseases. (Oh and a sub species of them resets their corruption monthly. Meaning you can sell your soul to the Wyrm or Satan but at the end of the month you will go back to your default self)
>>98246477>>98246484So yeah, the reason I was asking that is that there’s a device for mages where you can get grafted skin of a shifter and be able to turn that shapeshift that part. So I was thinking, if I’m about to be a stolen moon without any rage and gnosis, and cover my whole self with skin then which breed would be best.
>>98246503You are talking about Progenitor one right? That default stuff is terrible. Invent progenitor version of Wolf Pawn and then further think about stuff to emulate.
>>98246493What can you usually survive with the 20-30 soak Mokole can have? IIRC the rules for military gear are jank enough it can go either way but I am not sure if I am missing some details.
>>98246517Yeah, talking about that. The “system:” part of the description only said that you could shapeshift the part where the skin is replaced with a roll. So I know nothing of the downsides or its shortcomings. I just assumed that you could crinos or glabro with all the benefits.The amulet is neat, if only for the regeneration. Could pair well with the werewolf heart. The strength bonus is underwhelming. But it can still serve as inspiration.
>>98245002>>98244965It is fine for the most part, but you can really see how the writers avoid the issue with the legality dialogue.>>98245225They are fine, they just don't read like an actual couple if you don't already know they are a couple.
>>98246559I think you can copy a lot of the Woof's powers using the Sorcerer rules for Talismans and Devices.A Mokole skin draft should be a level 3 thing if you emulate the gift that gives them a Galabro equivalent.
>>98243122>ratkin and camazotz starting covid and then subsequently shifting the blame to the mokole>glasswalkers and ananasi being blindisided by AI (probably threat null)>both woofs and bsds trying to figure out who's been pumping gallons of omegaverse and werewolf romance but it turns out it was changelings>stargazers developing the new kpop femboy variant>japanese glasswalker kinfolk ex-president assassinated by imbued>get of fenris, fianna, uktena and wendigo about to raid paradox interactive hq but for different reasons>rest of eurasian-african tribes: lol
>>98246606Total Kithain Death isn't enough.
>>98246535From personal experience? A lot. As long as you aren't facing anything more dangerous than a 105mm cannon you are fine. Though 120mm cannon has a decent chance heavily wounding you if not killing you if you can't dodgeThe main problem with Soak builds is effects that bypass soak. My character with the highest legitimate soak (as in outside of Mage BS), a Methuselah Lasombra Demon Hunter with...35? Agg soak died because Yama King I was facing used what is essentially Chimerstry 9 Mayaparisatya and bypassed my soak rolls to kill me.
>>98246647>The main problem with Soak builds is effects that bypass soak.Yeah that's the main problem with builds around 1 mechanic every other book will have a way to screw you over and you can't do shit about it unless you have another circuit to counter that one power.
>>98246647>>98246535Nukes are statted in several places.>The ones in ToJ Apocalypse deal 25 aggravated Health Levels then 25 aggravated dice then environmental effects.>The ones in Mage deal 20 aggravated Health Levels then environmental effects.>The 'I can't believe its not nukes' in Exalted do 40 aggravated dice.The Silver Fang Elder in my ExWoD game has 29 Soak and has good odds of surviving one [I use the Mage version], and the Infernal is so durable [31 Soak, 38 in Shintai] that despite lacking perfects we measure her durability in the amount it would take to kill her. The answer is fourteen. As an aside if you reference First Edition Exalted and Aberrant you can piece together less janky military weapon rules. Pretty much everything does between 15-40 dice for big boom weapons.
>>98246599Can you elaborate? I have 0 knowledge about sorcerer. The closest thing I know is the numina for hunters.Also it seems like the main benefits of mokole is that you get bonuses based on the permanent gnosis you have. Since mages can’t have gnosis, then they gain no additional benefits, right?
>>98246678Those nukes are honestly weak. Even large mortars in Rage Across Amazon have 24 Damage. M20 is better with 20-30 for artillery, and Nukes is just "Seriusly"
>>98246711They are Health Levels, not dice. So thats the equivalent of 40 dice for Mage and Exalted and 50 for Werewolf. The number of characters who have any chance of surviving that is pretty much limited to the tankiest of ultra-high-end characters or stuff imported from the heavier-duty games like Exalted/Aberrant/Scion where chicanery of that nature is in genre. Once your attack is doing more than 40-50 dice in aggravated you really should just narrate it as 'Yeah you fucking die mate' and I don't like that idea personally.
>>98246678So you need about 15 successes to barely survive a nuke? Depending on how many health boxes your character has. That sounds achievable with the high-end splats and items.>>98246709TLDR: One of the guidelines you have to make your own artifacts as is the level of a power + 2. So rank 1 gifts/disciplines/spells are something you can have with 3 dots of a background, but in exchange, you have to deal with the maintenance and the chance of the item being taken from you.It is easy to abuse and mainly a way for the ST to use the other powers they know of to make quick artifacts like a cloak that gives something that acts like Unseen Presence or Lunar's Armor.As usual the writers know this can be bullshit but more or less just let anyone tailor things to themselves.
>>98246678Didn't one of the werewolf books stat your survival against a nuke as "Are you fucking kidding?"
>>98246724The Lasombra I mentioned before had Shadow Watchtower. Too bad it proved ineffective against the Yama King.Though to be fair, it saved my life multiple times before where even my high soak couldn't.
>>98246724>Once your attack is doing more than 40-50 dice in aggravated you really should just narrate it as 'Yeah you fucking die mate' and I don't like that idea personally.Bruh, if the mechanics don't matter just write a line explaining shit.>Hey dude, no player character is intended to survive any of this shit. If you want to roll how this pans out make your stats.It would be less pretentious but... eh.
>>98246767Yeah 29 dice that's on average 14-15 successes [before whatever difficulty modifiers or 1s subtracting or so on] so our friend the Silver Fang has a 40-50% he walks away from it and the Infernal's super form is taking an average of 1 Health per nuke and in base she's taking 5 Health per.>38 soak is 19 successes, 20 HL - 19 is 1, Shintai has 10 Health so thats 10 nukes.>31 Soak is 15 successes, 20 HL - 15 is 5, base form has 20 Health so thats four more.>Environmental effects would also be a problem but she's very resistant to things like radiation. >Our friend the Garou is going to be Wyrmtainted as *fuck* afterwards though.
>>98246777Probably, but then ToJ went and gave them stats. And those stats do amount to "Only 0.0001% of Fera are walking away from this.">>98246790That's what White Wolf usually does. Just says 'No you lose'. I don't like it, mainly because I play higher power games. And given Ravnos took two and kept coming I feel justified in my approach.>>98246789I would imagine. I've seen that power before and considered rewriting it a bit if it showed up in my game. If its the one I think I remember where you're basically invincible to physical damage.
>>98243179Based technocrats, fuck them gay little fae
>>98246789>With 8 dots of Obtenebration you get infinite soak making Fortitude redundantTruly, the Ventru don't get to have shit.
>>98246804>That's what White Wolf usually does. Just says 'No you lose'. I don't like it, mainly because I play higher power games. And given Ravnos took two and kept coming I feel justified in my approach.To be fair he had 2 separate plot devices to his name and could reasonably have called for a bygone to bail his ass from the sun if he had any blood left.
>>98246809>fuck them gay little faeyou got tricked by a femboi saytr, didnt you anon
>>98246879Sure, but my point being he lived so there's precedent for a WoD character surviving a nuke. So between that and canon statlines I prefer "40 aggravated dice/20 Health Levels" over "Perfect or Die". It amounts to the same thing for 99.9% of characters but those 0.1% tend to show up in my games.
>>98246883>Tricked I guess? Imagine having some gay fuck come up to you and start talking about "glamour" and "mages" and some shizo dreaming. I know he tried to pull some trick on me, good thing I'm too rational for that.
>>98246809Honestly, knowing what Unseelie do, fuck them.Seelie are fine tho.
>>98246883At least get some decent art for the fae. I hate the fuckers but at least give them something good to look at.
What half templates would make for the best Vigilantes?
>>98246599>>98246709A sorcerer with alchemy can copy all of the innate abilities of a splat and some of their dot-rated powers up to the second or third dot.So you can build craft a series of potions that temporarily give you all the abilities of a mokole, including gnosis and rage points, and then stack all the innates of a vampire on top, including a temp blood pool.Issue is that alchemy innately has side effects and those are ST fiat. You can fo the same thing with enchants without the side effects(ignore the example enchanted item, the rules make it clear items only have side effects if you botch. Literally all the example items are botch items).
>>98246991The half-cathayan Dhampyrs and, ironically, Fomori.Dhampyr actual have their dot cap rise with age(unlike half-cainite dhampir's, whose blood pool increases with age), so an experienced dhampyr can potentially kick a full-splat's ass.Fomori are unique among all possessed because the Possessed book actually call out Freaks Legion mechanics as still applying. This means fomori are the only possessed that can buy powers with xp instead of taint or autonomy, which makes it so any mortal that is able to hold off the bane's temptations is able to become equal to full-splat fera if given enough time. The paradox it that anyone able to do that is unlikely to get possessed at all, because banes aren't stupid.
>>98246883>>98246903I could see it working on some Garou and then them wondering why there were no kinfolk getting made.
>>98247080>Issue is that alchemy innately has side effects and those are ST fiat.Oh yeah that''s the biggest problem with a lot of the more out there splats where it becomes an issue of "mother may I..." with most of the guidelines being kind of meh at best.
>>98246943>At least get some decent art for the faeAry is the dreamings entire thing, so the fae have a home field advantage there.
>>98247127Depends on the thing. You can avoid that entirely by using the path of enchanting instead of alvhemy. Enchanting also does have the limit of being unable to copy fae, ghosts, or imbued powers.The weirdest part is that side effect thing in alchemy is specific to copying splats. It doesn't apply to generic dicepool increases or turning yourself into a splat at alchemy 6. It's a weird nerf all things considered.
>>98246647>My character with the highest legitimate soak (as in outside of Mage BS), a Methuselah Lasombra Demon Hunter with...35?My guy, there are ways for get of fenris to break past 50 soak for a few rounds. People don't talk about it much, but high rank werewoof games have the "bucket of dice" issues exaulted had in 1st and 2nd edition.
>>98247153>Enchanting also does have the limit of being unable to copy fae, ghosts, or imbued powers.Doesn't. Enchanting doesn't have that limit.
>>98247153>Enchanting also does have the limit of being unable to copy fae, ghosts, or imbued powers.The first two a fairly reasonable the third one feels a lot closer to "please don't make this splat redundant we are already on some thin fucking ice"
>>98247135>Ary is the dreamings entire thing, so the fae have a home field advantage there.Don't worry, certain evens have alredy been set into motion. Who needs art anyway?
>>98247204I cannot wait for the robot dejected from art school to become a dictator. It will be glorious.
>>98247116Huh, I completly foregot about those rules, well lets see how bad you can snowball as a fomorian.
>>98247116>Dhampyr actual have their dot cap rise with age(unlike half-cainite dhampir's, whose blood pool increases with age), so an experienced dhampyr can potentially kick a full-splat's ass.don't forget to get your true brujah grandpa to age up your kuei jin dhampires with temporis! > The paradox it that anyone able to do that is unlikely to get possessed at all, because banes aren't stupid.can't dhampyr learn sorcery?
>>98247393>can't dhampyr learn sorcery?Every other creature can.
>>98247204>ITX releases art bots to kill off artists from the economy and cut all glamour at the source>Thousands of former normies realize they can now create the art they imagined, but were too untalented to make by hand, causing a new reneissance on the internet.It's literally the moon landing all over again. At this rate the technocracy will be responcible for bringing about SPRING in arcadia and bringing back the Firstborn Fae.
>>98247856>inb4 they actually thank the techies for that, adding insult to injury
Hey, how many merits affecting the same thing you would allow? I have an Enticer with 4 merits to lower seduction difficulties.
>>98245828 The only people who are horny for the navi are the production crew of the movie and games
>>98247856>implying that most people use ai art to bring the wildest things that they have ever imagined to life and don't just pump out generic goonslop
>>98247393>can't dhampyr learn sorcery?Basically only Mages can't.
>>98248234That and Mummies have the same problem apparently. Like their spell system is ass enough it will block you from leading a better version.
>>98245828>>98248141"Right from the beginning I said, 'She’s got to have breasts,' even though that doesn’t make any sense because they’re not mammals... We right away set up standard criteria for the design of the character. She had to be hot. She had to be a right-on, hot babe."-James Cameron, 2009 interview with Playboy
>>98248141>>98248245There's been a fair bit of lusting over the fire tribe leader, who has far more chemistry with Quaritch than Sully ever had Neytiri.
They talked me into running Demon: the Fallen.I am rereading the book and I forgot how shit it is. Demons can boost their physical attributes, check page 159. It refers me to chapter 9 and it has no info. Errata has no info, player's guide has no info, storytellers companion has no info.There is a whole mechanic missing and nobody seemed to give a fuck.Sort of dreading running it, but whatever, I'll manage. Maybe I'll just run Fear to Tread.
Does the black spiral labyrinth have any particular consensus or is all magic coincidental like most of the umbra? Is it different from regular cauls, or does it prevent someone with high enough spirit or correspondence from escaping from it?
>>98248403It's a caul that the Batini are uniquely capable of resisting and escaping from due to their paradigm, with half of them either reappearing elsewhere in a comatose state (yet uncorrupted) orinfiltrating the Nephandi as uncorrupted spies. The other half end up dead or corrupte, as per usual.But the Batini are the only entities known to be capable escape from the Black Spiral intact.
>>98248245But aren't they mammals? They're vaguely catish. Nor terrestrial mammals clearly but an analogue.
>>98248262Crazy bitches are hot, Quaritch is one lucky guy ngl.
Going to be running VtR in a few weeks and I'm a bit stumped with what to do with the Circle of the Crone. I don't have much fleshed out for them so I'm looking for inspiration. Ever run a notable/interesting cult in one of your games?If anyone has suggestions for deities to look into for a basis, that'd be awesome too.
>>98248549What else is happening in the campaign? I generally like to frame the Circle similar to the Carthians, in that they exist and function best as opposition. Rather than focussing on some weird deity for them to worship, I like to focus on their core belief that the Kindred condition is a natural state of being. It's not a curse or a mystery to be puzzled out, it's to be enjoyed and savoured.
>>98248532Get yourself a woman who looks at you like you're a god and a hot meal at the same time.
>>98245930Golconda and Bardo clash as others have said while cultivating TF means becoming a real zealot with the kind of bone-deep faith that dictates your day to day life even at the bottom levels.
>>98248532That's all he needed before warlordmaxxing
>>98248262... Fair enough.
In V20DA, does using freebie points to raise virtues at character generation count as buying them with xp, or does also raise the road rating?
>>98248403>Does the black spiral labyrinth have any particular consensus or is all magic coincidental like most of the umbra?It's just another part of Umbra, why would it have a specific consensus?
>>98248987Just use the same rules for humanity in previous editions.
>>98248562>>98248262Yeah this really aint doing shit for me. Like its somehow too alien but not alien enough. Kinda smack dab in the uncanny valley of alien sexiness.
>>98249014>Like its somehow too alien but not alien enough.Because it's closer to furries than your normal aliens
>>98249043At least a furry has looks more interesting.
>>98246911>Seelie are fine tho.No half-measures
Are there any good V20 character creators? I want to stat out a bunch of NPCs to populate my city and it'd be great if there'd be something that can spit out a sheet.
>the Technocracy>the ConsensusI reject your reality and I substitute my own.M̶̨̫̞͓̤̩̱̗̖̘͚̐̐͂̎͗̏͊͗̃̑̉̒͝͝Ȧ̷̡͖͍͉͇͍͉͚̙̣͕̉͑̔̽̒̽̈́̉̈́̀D̵̡͕͚͍͉̫̼͋̐̑́̽̓̊̒͘Ě̷̯̪̳̯̝̀̐͋͊̄̀̽̀͐̂͠ ̷̮̤͖͚͂̔̃͆̊͛̾͂͗̚̕͝͝͝I̶͖̘͎̦͕̫̠͔͉͊̿̓̔͛̀͋̈́̏́͒͒̚͠N̷̨̧̖̣̭̤̤̮͔̜͔̊̒̑͌̾̃̊̔̄͒̏̐̒͗̈́͝ͅ ̵̨̗̱̹̣̻̩̫͎͎̘͍̗͔͖̍̂̋̉̆̔̈́͜Ḩ̶̧̡̨̨͖̪͈͎̦̯͖̭̻̤̜͇̔̀̈͂͊̓E̶̡̼̳̜̟̙͍̤̺̦̼̗̓͊̿̂͆̎̇͋͒͗̿̆̃͘͝A̴̛͓͉̣̞̳͛͛͜V̴̡̡̡̱͓̤͉̞͓͉̙͍̝͇̜̋͐͐̆̈́͋̃̾̕͜Ễ̷̹̩̳̝̔͝Ņ̶̨̫̳̙̤͈̣͌͐̉͘͜
>>98249125https://drsharky.github.io/VTMsite/#!/creatorI use this one. Turn on Freebie Mode only when you're finished, add Freebies, then export interactive pdf
>>98249125If you don't want to stat them manually, GPT works surprisingly well for this. Just upload the relevant rulebooks and describe the character you want.
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I can't imagine the horrors of being a Pooka. Suddenly not being able to tell the truth is a horrible curse. Someone asks you a question or you have to give your opinion on something and you just... can't. And the only thing you get out of it is the power to turn into an animal. Sucks.
>>98249249Something something, just learn to phrase shit.
>>98249249Just read an economy textbook or watch a couple of games of goyball, you'll be back to normal.
>>98248437I hypothesized that it works for them because they have a demesne. Them retreating into their mind is literally the same as the feature offered by the background. One could argue that having a high demesne is key to surviving the spiral labyrinth. Mastery of your inner palace protects you from outside influences, and lets you digest the trials and tribulations of the “caul” at your own pace. Thus you can accept the lessons from the labyrinth without falling into despair.
>>98248562Speaking of the Navi, how would the world of darkness react to those fuckers? Presuming that the RDA shipped every supernatural to Pandora.
>>98247116You could have enough Experience to buy a level 5 gift in like a month using Brain Eating.
>>98249134Great, another marauder. Someone call Iteration X
>>98249512Here's a more aesthetic hit mark because marketing asked us for human faces on the killing machines. There's a normalcy engine in it so stay the fuck away from it.
>>98249528>Stepford Wife robots to "take care" of reality deviants
>>98249541Kill them with kindness one way or the other.
>>98246791On a broader note it's pretty funny how a nuke is only 4 times more damaging as a shotgun blast.
>>98248242>That and Mummies have the same problemWhich is even funnier because sorcerers can learn Hekau, as per the sorcerer And mummy books across editions. Mummy Hekau is literaly just egyptian path magic to sorcerers, but the reverse isn't true.
>>98249528Boobs too small. How do you expect to prepare the masses for the next timetable without giving robots 10/10 bodies? They'll be more prone to change if they're thinking with their other head.
>>98249483A month? My guy, reread the power and notice it doesn't specify "human". Also notice the one hour cooldown only applies to hitting the same target multiple times, not hitying a target and moving on to another.You could take a road trip to a cattle farm and have hundreds of xp by the end of the Day. Fomorians start out completely ass, but can snowball into becoming equal to legendary fera.
>>98249656>You could take a road trip to a cattle farm and have hundreds of xp by the end of the Day. Fomorians start out completely ass, but can snowball into becoming equal to legendary fera.Anon...people like you are why people have to write down everything, even common sense ones.You will not become what is essentially infinite XP monster that can challange Gods by spending a week in an animal slaughtering factory.
>>98248673>while cultivating TF means becoming a real zealot with the kind of bone-deep faith that dictates your day to day life even at the bottom levels.My guy, not everyone is muslim. Most religions don't disrupt your dayly life much beyond "Don't be a Dick for no reason"Read dark agesbinquisitor for the actual rules on true faith. Zeal is a stat that you can choose not to max out.
>>98249656I am high balling the problems a character would face and presuming that you need a sentient target.
>>98249686That's on brand for how banes and fomori are supposed to work in the lore anon. There's literally a canonical multi-million essence bane in a toxic waste dump because the garou put off dealing with it for too long.The brain eater power isn't a one-off they didn't edit. WhiteWolf reprinted the power 3 times without changes, the infinite xp bullshit is the Intended Function.You forget wod wasn't just personal horror all the time, it used to encourage gonzo camp and humor every once in a while.
>>98249703Dolphins, Whales, Octopi, Corvids, Elephants, etc...
>>98249656There is not an ST alive who'd allow that reading, so you're profoundly retarded for even suggesting that scenario.
>>98249214I have never not had ChatGPT get even basic things wrong when faced with any ruleset whatsoever, and wouldn't trust it to do shit.>>98249153Cheers anon, I'll try it out.
>>98249686>You will not become what is essentially infinite XP monster that can challange Gods by spending a week in an animal slaughtering factory.Yeah you need to go to the retirement homes or hospital for that. But hey a sadistic nurse eating the minds of her patients sounds like something you would actually find in a book.Now that I think about it a prostitute would also have a similar effect, because literally fucking someone stupid sounds kind of funny.
>>98249728And besides crows, odds are you would have a better time using people.
>>98249748I ain't no lilylivered lamdlubber!Yarrrrr!
>>98249736I mean... If you need quick NPCs just get the templates. Shit like>(Clan) ElderX dots of in clan disciplines. Y dots of out of clan disciplines.3 Abilities at 4 dots, effective Jack of All Trades.
>>98249730>I don't allow fun at my table, even for one-off gamesI feel sorry for your players anon.
>>98249758Lol
>>98249691Id probably only allow higher true faith levels for the type of religious schizos who actually spread and practice what they preach, most religions don't disrupt your daily life but it still imposes restrictions and paths on your day to day, shit like allowing suffering or evil to grow unimpeded (shockingly common in wod) for example.
>>98249758Huh, isn't Davy Jones from Pirates of the Carribean basically a legendary pirate fomori?
>>98249771Hardly a fomori, he has a deal with an actual god. It'd be like a non-Fera with a billion gifts
>>98249768My guy, getting punished for not undoing corruption every second of every day is a true faith 9-10 thing.Inquisitors max out at true faith 4. True faith 5+ is way beyond what anyth but a literal saint accomplishes in their lifetime and 9-10 if for people like jesus and the buddha.
>>98249781>he has a deal with an actual godDescibe level 6 gifts without saying level 6 gifts. Fomori can also learn gifts anon.
>>98249771The guy is probably possessed because making him a mage would be a big pain in the ass.
>>98249790No, that would be the consecrated background and cursed flaw and compulsion taint.
>>98248234>>98248242to be fair that's only the revised version after osiris "improved" the spell in 2e we had a cabiri who only had his old sorcery paths because he turned himself and had no idea where and how to even get himself Hekau spells and there are a few more beings who are called out as being unable to learn sorcery: wraiths can't because arcanoi replace paths upon death (funnily enough discipline exp from former vamps is just lost instead). changelings can't learn sorcery because they already have their own arts and "sorcerers" but Kinain can learn both and kuei jin are stated to only be able to learn their own disciplines and no other supernatural powers at all but that was in the context of the question if they are able to learn cainite disciplines and arcanoi so ymmv and if cainites can learn it is a whole mess: the first sorcerer book says no but that sorcery paths that don't have a blood sorcery counterpart can be turned into new blood sorcery paths upon embrace (note that this was before the number of blood sorcery paths exploded) while revised says you might need a merit for it (found in wolves of the sea) and dav20 says that no it only works the other way around (blood sorcery to sorcery)
>>98249785I'm not saying they must literally do it daily but they must at least have plans or are working on something which may deal with some corruption eventually. And I'd do it more for gatekeeping casual TF (3 and lower.)
>>98249818>and if cainites can learn it is a whole mess:Unfortunately, iy's worse than you know. Time of Thin blood gives actual mechanics for how thin blood incepters can learn mortal sorcery by turning paths into disciplins and substituting blood for mana.Wolves of the Sea has the blood runes merit that lets vampire learn a select few mortal sorcery paths as-is.And you already mentioned that blood magic and sorcery have a weird relationship in the rules that get completely rewritten each edition.
>>98249822Not much of a gatekeep at that point. That's just how vanilla christianity works if you actually read the bible. "Good Works" and all that.
>>98249851i don't consider th*nbloods to be vampries... jokes aside i keep re-reading time of the thinbloods everytime it comes up and then blank it out of my memories because the book is like most toj related books so ass and completely useless for most gamesbut the rune wise merit also allows you to use blood instead of quint and it also admits to being overpriced just for the rarity effect which is my least favorite kind of thing in wod
>>98249851Wait, if thinbloods can turn paths straight into disciplines, doesn't that mean an elder could eat one and develope a path beyond the 6th dot?Wait, sorcerer can learn mummy hekau as paths...
>>98249818interesting that the pictures implies that ephemera can be turned into the spirit thaum but under the necromancy disciplines and mind you there is nothing called spirit path in vtm there was Spirit Thaumaturgy which was reworked into Spirit Manipulation but neither ever had any connection to necromancy>>98249904we know Set had Nomenclature and could develop his own "curses" with it just ask the silent striders, but the way the blood magic books talk about it he most certainly had it as blood sorcery as it states that akhu and hekau used to be the same thing and just evolved into two different directions (and set and his oldest childe predate said split) and the only reason why blood sorceres don't know about hekau is because mummies are so rare
>>98249904Just a reminder that tzimisce koldunes that practice proper kraina, not kupala's degenerate "Ways" offshoot, are able to learn their own version of fera gifts.
>>98249960>we know Set had Nomenclature and could develop his own "curses"Oh right, I forget methusela and ante's are also inceptors and can just make disciplines too.Thinking about it, all blood magic might be the degenerated form of sorcery converted to disciplines. That makes a weird amount of sense.
>>98249987>Thinking about it, all blood magic might be the degenerated form of sorcery converted to disciplines. That makes a weird amount of sense.we know where blood sorcery comes from because of said blood magic books and it's all just the same as making your own discipline diluted all the way downthe first blood sorcery paths been made when younger kindred in the second city tried to make their own elder powers without having all the dots in the base disciplines for it and we know that making your own elder powers is the same "code" as making your own discipline so all those trappings that turned it into "sorcery" lite is just something they build around it which to be fair is however probably what allows for rituals
>>98249987>>98250026You know what's hilarious? All this implies that Lasombra's Obtenebration is just the discipline form of the Shadowcasting sorcery path.Obtenebration is a blood magic in it's own right, with the ability to create rituals. This means Lasombra was too lazy to actually make his own discipline, he literally just copied someone else's homework and made a few changes.
>>98245930>If the salubri, osirians, and lasombra just worked together for 5 minutes, they'd have broken the shackles of the eldets and created a real way out of the endles jyhad. So close, yet so far.The answer is obvious, God didn't want that. How do I know? He told me in a dream.
>>98250099>dubs of truthJoking aside, that might unironically be the answer. Vampirism is supposed to be a Curse. Specifically a curse on Caine to force him to watch his children kill each oth until he apologizes for the shit with Abel.Humanity using their creativity to escape the curse forever kinda undetmines that.
>>98249818>>98249851with demons involved it becomes even worse! mortal sorcerers can learn Dark Thaumaturgy (sorcerer crusade infernalism the path of screams) and Disciplines that become too rare can become Dark Thaumaturgy paths over time (dark age companion) which is what happened with Maleficia and Striga
>>98250140>with demons involvedLet me stop you right there. Infernalist are able to gain every power, of every splat, in the world of darkness. Bringing up demons in this is pointless, it actually makes thing less complicated.Infernalists don't need to bother with weird merits or specific powers to get things. Infernalists being able to do something doesn't imply anything about the history or origins oftheir powers. Infernalists Just Do Things.
Does the Tremere Antitribu, the "House Goratrix" traitor-nerds, maintain chantries like the main bloodline of the clan, except in Sabbat territories?
>>98250244in europa yes, but rarely in the americas in most of the new world they instead get their own wing in a sabbat temple exception being of course their prime chantry in mexico city
>>98250264Neat, good to know. Mulling over an idea for the Coterie to go check out where the Tremere went when a Camarilla Gargoyle took over the city.
>>98250078>This means Lasombra was too lazy to actually make his own discipline, he literally just copied someone else's homework and made a few changes.NTA but that's... weirdly in-character for the Lasombra Ante. Who cares if you stole it? That just means you're smarter for taking advantage of nerds.
>>98250264>exception being of course their prime chantry in mexico cityDidn't that place get ass-raped to hell when they discovered they built it right on top of Shaitan/Nergal?
>>98250369it's still around in revised so if so that's v5 lorein revised it's of course empty as all the tremere are dead but all the magical traps aren't disarmed making it pretty much a mega dungeon for the sabbat who tried to loot it and one of the things they found during those raids was the urn where goratrix sealed (the black) tezcatlipoca in and now they don't know what to do with that
>>98250348I'm mostly amused by how that should open all kinds of bullshit with the other paths.That and thinblood alchemy makes sense all of a sudden.
>>98248994I recall something like Scar having its own consensus zone that makes all magic vulgar
>>98249651No Matt, your commission for hyper breasted robots won't be part of the Miranda line of hit marks.If you want your personal fuck it actually PAY the Progenitors to do that shit.
>>98250468Huh, environmental effects that fuck with mages, reasonable enough.
>>98249740>prostitute who drains her clients’ brains for expEven better, imagine a formor with brain eating on a gay sauna doing thatLowkey sad the gift version of that power is so gutted
>>98250494Yeah, yeah, whatever you suits say. Gonna intall that HR bitch subroutine too while you're at it? Sex sells because the masses want it. Bimbo robots are what the bottom line demands.
>>98250560XP farms are frowned upon in game like this.
>>98248557>What else is happening in the campaign?The small Oregon city the game takes place in is at the center of a nexus of leylines, which has seen the more occult Covenants playing a more active role in kindred politics. The Ordo Dracul is ascendant in the city, a position they've occupied for about 40 years. The Invictus is around but more or less just as a formality, most of the big players were purged when the Ordo took over. The Sanctum is in nominal support of the dragon prince after some initial friction, which allowed them to keep most of their territory in the inner city intact. The "Carthian Colony" in the city is a sub-10 member direct democracy helmed by a Ventrue from the revolutionary war, who is personally one of the few people to truly have the princes respect which he's leveraged into relative freedom in for their little fiefdom. The previously numerous Crone cult was purged from the city about 10 years prior, after their leadership circle was subverted by demonic forces and they attempted to bring forth something very, very nasty from beyond the veil. While a completely unrelated cult, the current acolytes have to tread carefully, with many eyes upon them - the one thing keeping them from being snuffed out is that their leader is a very old and powerful nosferatu lady who people don't particularly want to mess with and who has been fairly politically canny so as to secure their future.
>>98250579The sex bots are the Courtesan line, you asked for those lines to be separated 6 moths ago and no one can be bothered to change this shit AGAIN so close to the terminus of this project.If you keep up with that shit I will install the HR subprogram on both lines and your own personal agent for good measure.
>>98250580>XP farms are frowned upon in game like this.Anon, this isn't the only power that does this. Just ban the power if you're going for a hyper serious campaign and jusr accept that if you allow the power, you'll be in a campy shitpost game.So many retarded STs try to have their cake and eat it too by allowing the broken powers, but trying to constantly houserule as the campaign goes, which just ends up being the ST trying to play your character For you. It Doesn't Work.
>>98250685I know that talking like a human being so we most problems, the previous posts are mostly about how the scatterbrained many of WoDs mechanics are alongside the writers contradicting one another and themselves.
>>98250580Is a man not entitled to have fun with op powers?
>>98250369>they built it right on top of Shaitan/Nergal?>Hermetic Master: "Hey guys! I found a massive fountain of magical energy!">builds cantry there>Hermetic Apprentice: "Hey master, where does the magic we're siphoning come from anyway.">Hermetic Master: "I dunno. Probably not important">Chantry later explodes when they wake up the ancient evil they were sucking magic from.Classic Hermetic L.
I have an idea floating around my head for a character in a V20 game who was a bumblefuck tourist who had some sort of influence back in NA who was turned by a more "exotic" Clan to serve as a mole. And I'm wondering what Clan would gel best in a Camarilla setting for him to have been got by?My thoughts:Ravnos - could be fun, and suits a "travelling tourist" archetype but Ravnos don't seem like the type for this kind of planning.Assamite (Vizier) - Pretty straightforwardsSetite - Has an interesting vibe of debauchery and depravity to it, and implies someone lured into a bad situation which is interesting, but may not work so well in a Camilla setting. The branches of the Setites are also interesting.Giovanni (one of the overseas variants) - Same with Setites basically - fun idea, not sure how it would gel.
>>98250794>Is a man not entitled to have fun with op powers?Only as long the ST is willing to deal with it.
>>98250794Depends how much you're affecting the other players and if you'll complain when the ST does a turnabout and uses OP powers back at you mostly I would think. Have to be able to get it as good as you give.
>>98250681>The sex bots are the Courtesan line, you asked for those lines to be separated 6 moths ago and no one can be bothered to change this shit AGAIN so close to the terminus of this projectMedia Control sure as shit did not ask for that so stop trying to work your Mind procedures on me. For a bunch of bureaucrats you sure suck at keeping up with the latest news. Men want their robots nice and sexy if they're gonna choose them over women.>If you keep up with that shit I will install the HR subprogram on both lines and your own personal agent for good measure.As if you wouldn't do it anyway, you're not exactly known for respecting differing opinions.
>>98251054>Men want their robots nice and sexy if they're gonna choose them over women.Media Control already took care of that with the social media isolation projects, the normies don't even get to choose if they get a woman through our stuff anymore. The Courtesan line will be launched, pretty much ass is, when the people in Boston get their shit toguether with the cost reduction and your department decides what dating app will be the first to showcase them.>As if you wouldn't do it anyway, you're not exactly known for respecting differing opinions.I would respect the opinion of the people paying for this shit and so far you have been trying to weasel your way out of paying for the customizations you asked for your personal batch.Untill you pay for what has already been requested, no furder changes will be made.
You know, I expected someone to reply to >>98249422 and I’d probably would have been proven wrong with some obscure lore or rules but I would have learned something new too
>>98251264Nobody cares margret.
>>98251264The labyrinth is "just" a hostile spirit environment that can justify a raising arete but will kill you if you delve too deeply into it.
>>98245831Not quite her father specifically, but my PtH character is 12 and lost both her parents at 7. It fucked her up pretty bad. It's benefited her in some ways though, such as being quick to help her sister after she got embraced.One of my NPCs is only alive because of her imbued hunter father though. Dumb bitch blossomed and immediately tried to solo the Camarilla, so we got dragged into helping her dad bring her home.
>>98251141>ass isYou're getting it but your programming won't let you admit it. >dating appYou're thinking small-time, why should we limit our reach? Everyone is our target audience so you'll see them everywhere. Internet? You bet. TV? People already complain about their wives all the time. Your favorite brick-and-mortar store? You'll hear about the future of love alright.>I would respect the opinion of the people paying for this shit and so far you have been trying to weasel your way out of paying for the customizations you asked for your personal batchIt's called a test batch and it's a very common business practice. We prefer to work with quality products. We know you half-ass your attempts at pushing the timetable but some of us like to get shit done the right way.
>>boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/98232196#p98233255>>boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/98232196#p98246073Hope I got this right, first time replying to previous thread. I've been running Princess for a few months (albeit modified and shoved into oWoD). It's pretty fun, though we're certainly not running as intended.
>>98251425You don't do anything different when responding to another thread's post.
>>98251425just the post number is enough>>98233255>>98246073unless the thread is fully gone in which case you need to quote the archive which is technically a different website archive.4plebs.org
>>98251425Ok, what version are you using or are you making your own? Princess is probably the second most jank fan game behind Leviathan.
>>98251303:(>>98251329Didn’t the text mention people reaching the center and coming out alive and unscathed?
>>98251497>Didn’t the text mention people reaching the center and coming out alive and unscathed?As far as I know, no. The one woof who almost did that got killed by an ancestor spirit as a mercy.In regards to mage there's nothing all that interesting ruling that place.
>>98245831>TQWell Shark technically has two daddies. The Tremere sheriff who made Shark in his lab (he was delicious btw), and Count Orlock who provided most of the vitae in the ritual to make Shark. Though Shark was raised on his own as a wild beast in the sewers. The only reason Shark isn’t going after his second dad to go two for two on his diablerie themed patricide… is because he became friends with Clio, the daughter of Cacophony in Shark’s coterie. He’s been protecting her and Shark doesn’t eat the close relationships of his friends. For now.So both parents aren’t that important except in free disciplines and a good lunch.
>>98251497there were people who disappeared, meaning either they were unmade by the wyrm or just straight up ascended since 9 circles = 9 arete dotsits unclear what cross-splat interactions would be >>98238536 but a mage could use it to gain enlightenment instead of getting corrupted
>>98251329>>98251497>>98251509>>98251573The labyrinth isn't just a place to get mage arete, it's how black spirals determine rank as well. Every layer corresponds to a rank(meaning the eyrm has rank 7 and 8 monstrosities somewhere) and completing all 9 instantly turns any fera into an incarnae. There are 2 known NPCs that have done this, the wyrm's literal second in vommand and a shadowlord who did it for shit and giggles and became a giant muant crab incarnae.
>>98251016Is staring at the ST dumbfolded knowing that you’ve been outplayed a valid reaction?>>98252006>50% of garou who made the full journey through the labyrinth are shadow lordsThis factoid says something about someone (or rather, some people) but I can’t quite put my finger on it…
Where does the information about Arikel just chilling in Greece in the modern day come from? Archives say Toreador revised clanbook but the closest I could find in that book was just a bit about her being in Crete a couple thousand years before the modern day.
>>98252139>Where does the information about Arikel just chilling in Greece in the modern day come from?ToJ if memory serves.
Would you say reducing Str, Dex, or Sta is more powerful?So I'm looking over Viscissitude Expanded and came across the Venom Glands option and started wondering what would be best. Strength to neuter their damage and leave them more open to clinch/diablerie, Dex to neuter their chance to hit/escape/aim, or Stamina to neuter their Soak and tear them apart more easily. According to the rules for Quietus 2 Scorpion's Touch: draining a mortal's Stamina to 0 instakills them and draining a Kindred's puts them in torpor, albeit with the chance to reflexively defend with a Wits+Alertness roll dif6 before the poison takes hold by spending a blood point, though I don't know if this would apply since this poison seems to remove dice rather than reduce the target's dots like Quietus.Also: I know some Garou have a gift to purge poisons and toxins but, how is the average ungifted Garou against them? Would any of these help this character if it came down to a tussle with a furry blender?
>>98252059Both the ST staring at you and you staring at the ST are pretty valid.
>>98252219>how is the average ungifted Garou against them?They get a stamina boost to help resist shit and any actual damage can be undone in about 3 turns save some exceptional or tailored effect like what you find in Freak Legion.Narcotics are pretty weird in this game but because of how we didn't really get something as fleshed out as the drug creation rules in Cyberpunk it became this niche that's easy to exploit but hard to flesh out.Oh and don't forget that the Werewolves can just delay their deaths by spending rage so anything that could kill them should take just a little while longer as they struggle o e last time with their primal urge ability.Oh yeah there's a skill that allows mortals and living supernaturals to enter a kind of suspended animation where they purge poisons so that's also an option against the more exotic toxins you can encounter.
>>98252204I didnt read through the whole book to verify but from my brief skimming, the book pretty much plays it vague with arikel/ishtar even saying it could be a man or a woman, active or in torpor.I know he/she appears in Nighshade but they dont really give details on him/her aside from making him/her in league with [lasombra], absimiliard, ennoia, malkav, set, and typhon.
>>98252622Perhaps it's from the toj gehenna novel? just wild guessing because of how common the arikel is in greece factiod is that if it is just fandom it would be so sad
>>98245831>TQ because bakeslave deserves more love for what he doesThis one actually made me realize how often their father is important to my PCs, not just in WoD but I'll stick to those to stay on topic. My current PC, an ogre changeling wasn't extremely close to his father, but said father's ignoble death due to poor working conditions and inability to afford medical treatment strongly shaped the character, leading to an attitude that the honest, hardworking man gets shafted and discarded. He and his fetch took this in very different directions. Prior to that, my hunter PC had a somewhat strained relationship with his father, who believed he was wasting his life (which to be fair he sorta was before he became a hunter). Ironically said father also became a hunter after he became aware of the supernatural. This one was admittedly partially the ST's doing, I told him that my character's family only needed to come up if he wanted. and long before that I played a Ventrue whose father was very important to her, despite not showing up in person once. He was essentially the reason she got the embrace, as he was the ghoul of a powerful elder since around the time she was born. As he became aware of just how dangerous the world was, his paternal desires, tinted by his blood bond, caused him to believe his daughter would be safest among the eternal, all-powerful Ventrue. She had all the right qualities to be worthy of a Ventrue embrace, but it was her own father that was the strongest advocate for it.
>>98251453Vocation, though we've ignored certain things to allow for more war crimes.>>98251445>>98251435Thanks anon.
>>98252515>save some exceptional or tailored effect like what you find in Freak Legion. So I went to Freak Legion and could find pic related, and it seems the answer to the Garou question is as you'd expect: Unsoakable Aggravated Damage. After thinking it over yeah, anything that could get chewed by Stamina drain would get chewed anyways. While Strength drain is tempting for the 1-2 punch of sting and clinch into diablerie, it isn't gonna do much against firearms or mental abilities, or help catch the fuckers at all. And Zulo form+2 potence+Blood buff means 10 dice for strength anyways and anything I cannot hold down with those stats I probably shouldn't be trying to diablerize at all. Reducing Dexterity will take care of anyone trying to get cheeky with Celerity, as well as affect all attacks anyways as well as initiative. And in the worst case scenario, it makes escaping from an overwhelming enemy a lot easier.>Werewolves can just delay their deaths by spending rage so anything that could kill them should take just a little while longerRight. Thanks. Even more of a reason to pick the "flight" option and deal with them by building a shopping mall on their caern.
>>98252059>This factoid says something about someone (or rather, some people) but I can’t quite put my finger on it…Shadowlords are also the tribe with a level 5 rite that makes you completely immune to all wyrm corruption forever.No possession, no taint, no wyrm incarnae bullshit.They don't tell anyone this rite exists, rarely use it even for their own tribe, and largely ignore all the issues this thing could have prevented.
>>98253069Cost and difficulty of the ritual though?
>>98253069>his sanity remains absolute though he is not protected from any other aspect
>>98253069>>98253247>Shadow Lords get to enjoy degenerate Wyrm sex but without going crazyTruly, the tribe for gooners, when you pair it with the cuckoo metis making and the weird skullduggery thing they have going on
Has anyone made a unified character supplement or something, combining all the (mostly) agnostic things, like Natures/Demeanors, Merits/Flaws, Backgrounds, and Attribute/Ability Specializations?I know that there are a lot that appear in some supplements but then not in others.Like how V20 lists Noises, Eavesdropping, Fine Details, Hidden Weapons, Crowds, Forests, Animals for Alertness, while M20 lists Ambushes, Instincts, Omens, Urban Wastelands, Combat Zones, Covert Pursuit, Warning Signs for Alertness. Or how the Merits/Flaws for the M20 Core is utterly anemic compared to V20 Core, even though many from V20 would be perfectly appropriate for a Mage. There's no inherent reason for this.Obviously some are inappropriate for some types of characters, but that is a separate Storyteller concern. I'd just like to see all the options (preferably with references to wherever each option came from) laid bare.
>>98253704STV mega in OP has got you covered with pic related anon. For specialties I like using the link even if it's meant for CofD, but since specialties are so freeform they could be whatever your ST approves, get creative.https://codexofdarkness.com/wiki/Specialties
>>98250387>was the urn where goratrix sealed (the black) tezcatlipoca in and now they don't know what to do with thatI see, since I haven't actually read Mexico City by Night, Diablerie Mexico, or Chaos Factor I was mixing up Huitzilopochtli (Shaitan) and Tezcatlipoca. I assumed the Methuselah had done them in but thinking back it was probably Tremere with his curse on the antitribu. Kthx, I'll stop inventing things about books I haven't read.>>98250816To be fair Mexico City makes a lot more sense when you consider it's built over a Baali Methuselah and run by the Sabbat. Heck, they'd probably do a better job than the current administration.
>>98253976I appreciate the help, but I can't find that when searching for "Merits" or "Archetype" in either of the Megas, and the STV Pastebin only has links to gWoD and nWoD stuff, aside from the M20 Tome of Rituals.>specialties are so freeform they could be whatever your ST approvesIn this case I'm the prospective ST, I'm just looking for appropriate ideas.
>>98254239Skill issue.Though apparently the rebrandly link got changed to stvwod20.Git gud
>>98254263>rebrandly link got changed to stvwod20.Yeah, that's exactly nowhere in the OP. Thanks though, got it.
>>98254304Some Ammons here are familiar enough with piracy that this type of stuff is to be expected.
If you married someone in the larger Giovanni family could you get turned into a vamp, or is a hard no because you're not of the blood? Would the Giovanni just wait for your kid?And if so, what's the timeframe/amount of proof needed for that to work?
Ey tone how long I wait for da gabagool?
>>98254485>Married into a larger Giovanni family>Not a Giovanni yourselfIf you got this lucky already I'd either assume your very impressive attributes will get you vamped eventually or you'll be ghoul'd by whoever you married.>>98254507Depends if Glass Walker Italian or Giovanni Italian.
>>98254541Whatsamadda u from Joisey o somethin?https://youtu.be/1tNRcQ9WU70
>>98254485I dont think they 100% exclusively embrace within the family but youll be treated as a second rate clan member since youre only "once blooded" instead of "twice blooded". Im not well read on the giovanni so I could be wrong.
>>98253976Why is this book formatted so fucking badly? Why the fuck is everything sorted alphabetically by name and grouped by book of origin?Why didn't they group it by flaw type(mental phyical, supernatural, etc.), separate merits from flaws, and put it in order of lowest-to-highest point rating?
>>98254982Because every time they tried to re arrenge things the table shat itself,
Yo guys, real shit:https://philadelphiabynight.net/VtM MUD (or MUSH? idk the distinction really) that's extremely well made, still in alpha but already has most of the clans/bloodlines. The plot is/has been popping off, it seems to be mostly player-driven.
>>98254485yes there are npcs like that mentioned there are also some where the giovanni just went "yeah turns out my competent minion was actually a very distant cousin who knew wink wink"https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Paul_DiCarlo
Did a mini-session with the nazi mage, polish journo, golden retriever pooka kinain, and myself last night. My magical girl and the kinain realized the latter's rape spree was caused by our brujah elder being a little shit, so we ambushed her with a kar98k and nearly killed her.Kinain and Brujah both redeemed themselves later when we had to fight a woof that had been lobotomized and tainted by a cataphract. Kinain saved her rape victim with Take The Blow (this nearly killed the dog) and the brujah kept it busy and bleeding by burning through blood points to injure it then dodge. Brujah girl opened up with Burning Wrath plus all her potence (13d10 aggravated), followed by using her celerity to hit another 5 times without the potence, plus two uses of Flaying Touch. After that, she just kept dodging.By the time the woof fucked off, it had like 49 of 200 health remaining.
>>98254485In our game (Shark’s chronicle), Ansel the necromancer was a Giovanni embraced outside the family. He managed to get integrated into the clan by finding tomes of necromantic knowledge that has been lost to them since Cappadocius made his big kinslaying event. He also surprised them by delivering lots of territory in Munich to the clan and handed over a few hundred wraiths.The Giovanni representative was literally in a situation of “I came looking for copper and instead I found gold”.Ansel was warmly welcomed into the clan. And if he keeps the good work or does even better he might be made into a capo.
>>98250171>Infernalists Just Do Things.It's really a shame late revised and 20th anniversary dumped all the crossover stuff WoD was building up in 1st, 2nd, and the first part of revised. The shit Set was doing and the rise of multi-splat infernalists was an easy set of plot threads to justify literally an set of player splats working together.
>>98252738>if it is just fandom it would be so sadWhy? As far as I'm concerned autistic headcanon has produced more interesting lore than official books have. >>98254183>Kthx, I'll stop inventing things about books I haven't read.No, keep it up. It's interesting to read.
>>98255954my personal pet peeve is the multi splat anti sun conspiracy that got semi gutted and then ignored in revised you got woofs, leeches, mages, wraiths(or rather spectres and their cults) and even fae all united under a single thematic connection spread across pretty much the entire western world+ egypt and then you just don't do anything with it
I'm writing up some characters for a vampire game. What kinds of fleshcrafts you think a relatively recently embraced tzim would do to a boyfriend who they still liked?
>>98256141... You know what they would ask for and how it would go horribly wrong.
>>98255996>anti-sun conspiracyHonestly if you want to throw it as some kind of extended metaplot at your table, just rip whatever the fuck Sunless Sea was up to. Stars are Gods, they're mad, and you should build an artificial one to escape the great chain of cosmic being or something.
>>98255996anti sun conspiracy?
>>98256141Mild cosmetics or things YOU think would be an improvement.
>>98256386yeah there is a union of a shadowlords camp, a egpytian heretic setite founding temple +apep spectre cult, the norse setites, some lasombra antedeluvian loyalists + panders with obtenebration, some nephanti with sköll (the wolf from norse mythology that easts the sun) or apep (may or may not be the same apophis) as avatar, a finish malkavian methusulah (louhi) and her revenants who all want to either darken the skies or destroy the sun and the fae shadow court also wants in but then that conspiracy falls appart in revised, or rather the shadowlord camp is purged and the rest aren't mentioned with only [lasombra] on his own trying and failing to fulfil the groups goal in one gehenna scenario... without the players ever interacting with it>>98256362i am already stealing so much fallen london and cultist simulator stuff at some point i feel like i own what's his name money
>>98255954>>98255996Also, don't forget about the shroud conspiracy of voormas, the capodicians/giovanni, the onceborn, and the mummies of apophis being split apart and made into an absolute mess because WoD writers tried to resolve them as individual stories instead of continuing the unified metaplot.Fuckers even came up wirh that retarded multiverse shit in revised and had the fucking Gall to pretend all the splats were always intended to be separate universes when 1e and 2e writers were crystal fucking clear about there being ONE world of darkness.
What would you recommend for a mortal pretending to be a werewolf or some other Changing Breed?(maybe an obscure one to help sell the act)The Shapeshift Path of Hedge Magic? Or is there something better, or which could be used alongside it to make the con more believable?
>>98256586the voormas thing never actually got printed the sun conspiracy is in the books, but yeah wod pulling itself appart in the end to prepare for toj after spending half the edition uniting the splats more caused a lot of storylines just going nowhere and made for a weird disconnect with the dark age books because those didn't get the memo and went harder and harder into crossovers till the very end
>>98256592You can have path of shapeshifting 6 on a starying character, which allows literally turning into a werewolf in all ways physical. The book even ecourages hyperspecializing like that.The other good one to pick up is the psychic power soul-stealing, which allows you to steal gnosis and use it for fetishes and gifts.With those two you can make a discpunt werewolf or a very convincing fake Nuwasha
>>98250859Setite would be my guess, corruption is their bread and butter. Maybe pretending to be Toreador. Reminds me a bit of the Haunted Tour Guide and Domesticated Snake concepts in V20 Lore of the Clans
>>98256592Depending on the ST talismans/artifacts can emulate template Powers like shape shifting.
>>98256436There are norse settites?
>>98256663Yeah there are some who worship Loki and Jörmungandr as a version of the Wyrm.
>>98256630>not publishedThis is bizarre, because one of Ascension's writers did confirm it was left out, but it is mentioned in the book (see pic related). Unless the version in the MEGA is somehow a very elaborate edit
>>98256673On a similar note, how much money would be bet that those are just the result of Vampire!Odin having a Followers of Set Femboy in his entourage?
>>98256673Interesting, I'm not that well read on the settites so what's with the wyrm connection?
>>98256655>Depending on the STNot if you're a sorcerer. Path of Enchanting explicitly allows copying innate template powers and some low-dot splat powers on top of that. Be the Volfsgurtel of your dreams anon.
>>98256663yeah and they are fun: they are heretical and wyrmish sorcerers who somehow despite that have a close familial relationship with each other and such good relationships with their mortal and ghoul cultists that they never even noticed that one of their spells can destroy the blood bond as a possible side effect. who are pretending to be normal setites without any sorcery when they are meeting with other setites. and who are pretending to be camarilla toreador to everyone else
>>98256698It's funny how fucking opposite mages and sorcerers are mechanically. A lot of magic that'd tak a mage multiple high dot sphere effects are basic abilities for sorcerers, but the opposite is also true(like transmuting lead into gold being a matter 2 effect, while a sorceter alchrmists needs to already have a philosopher stone capable of granting eternal life and awakening mortals at will just to pull it off).Even the way the do magic is opposite. Sorcerer are basically scientists study magical physics, while mages seek personal enlightenment so they can force reality to bend to Them.Makes me wish wod writers would stop tying them together and treating sorcerers like ghouls/kinfolk to mages. These splat should be rivals that HATE each other.
>>98256695Long story short, some settites worship this entity called Apophis who is probably the Wyrm or at least one of the facets, it genuinely doesn't matter. This is the result of a corruption by said Wyrm and that does a lot of weird like that because Set, who sleep that aspect of the Wyrm, is also Jesus, because the writers were smoking some weird shit near the end times of WoD.
>>98256695arnulf a norse trader they embraced in constantinople prefered apophis over set and the rest of the clan couldn't really do much about it because he fucked off the the other side of the world shortly after so they just destroyed all writen down records of his embracethey later then meet the setite sorcery caste who was currently being genocided by the main clan by sugesting that Set wouldn't like the road the current clan is on and smuggled them to north europa too >You destroy us because you fear our prophecies are true. You may kill us all, but we shall pass on our years of wisdom to every one of Echidna’s children; the Jörmungandr, the Daitya, and yes, even you. All shall know the truth, and dread it.>In recent years, members of the cult traveled beyond Scania and encountered the Witches of Echidna in the Courts of Love and Fiefdoms of the Black Cross, suffering persecution from the clan’s Orthodoxy. In solidarity, the Hall granted the Witches alms, and in turn were taught the principles of a sorcery they call The Revelations of Midgard. The Gorgons were impressed by the Hall’s devotions to its cultists, seeing in the Norse vampires a devotion to family once shared by the Setites of the Nile>The cult is family. Family is all. As Jörmungandr eats its own tail to ensure the world survives, we give of ourselves to ensure our family flourishes. >— Edla Olavsdatter, Priestess of the Hall of Jörmungandrand the witches consider Jörmungandr, Ophion, apophis, hydra, Draco to be the names shared by a per historic universal snake god and although they never directly call it the wyrm it's pretty obvious
>>98256754>who is probably the Wyrm or at least one of the facets, it genuinely doesn't matter. This is the result of a corruptionJury is out on this. Both the degiler wyrm and oblivion/grandma will use the name apophis at times, and books like midnight circus show they can be separate entities working in opposition.
>>98256753Eh, they interbreed and compliments one another too much to develop that kind of rivalry. It would be like hating your martial arts teacher because he finally got their championship or the entirety of the Programmer profession having beef with the Electronics manufacturers.
>>98256766>Jury is out on this.And it will stay that way because the game is fucking dead
>>98256789>Eh, they interbreed and compliments one another too muchI don't see it. Especially with how sorcerers get an innate anti-magic mechanic that really fucks mages over.They didn't even have any interaction until whitewolf forcably tied the two splats together in revised, retconning a shit ton of 2nd edition lore in the process.
>>98256754>Set is the Wyrm that's also JesusWoD is so wrapped up in its own mythology I'm baffled that they didn't just commit to Triat being the only real gods of the setting.>but anon, WoD's vampires are-Are still WoD's own personal brand of nonsense, but this particular brand of nonsense managed to become the default pop culture view of vampires.
>>98256827>The people most likely to awaken true magic are Sorcerers.>Mages get to do bigger scale acts while Sorcerers get immunity to paradox.>They gravitate towards and build the same places.>They often overlap in worldview and goals.
>>98256848The Triad is a fucking meme with how inconsistent they are in every conceivable aspect.I just don't think making the Abrahamic faths the baseline any better in most cases unless you separate Elohim and Yahweh and doing that just isn't worth the effort in terms of IRL bullshit.
Any advice for playing a mortal with Hedge Magic?
>>98256893Flesh out the character concepts and out of universe goals.
>>98256868>The people most likely to awaken true magic are Sorcerers.It's the opposite. Using sorcery makes it HARDER to awaken. The only exception to this are a merit and the path of alchemy, the latter only being the case because the 6th dot power lets you turn people into splays with a ritual.>Mages get to do bigger scale acts while Sorcerers get immunity to paradox.If you're an archmage sure, but mages and socerer are actually pretty par. Shapeshifting for example require life 4, but path of shapeshift does it from the first dot.>They gravitate towards and build the same places.One point out of 4 so far, but so do garou, kuei jin, mummies, and fairies. Are they mage sub-splats too?>They often overlap in worldview and goals.Opposite. The sorcerer book makes it explicitly clear sorcerees and mages have opposite worldviews.Mages belive in"truth until paradox" aka "I'm always right until someoone find a bigger stick than me and smacks me with it"Sorcerers believe in actual objective reality, because their powers Come from the cheatcodes in reality, not their own power alone.
>>98256931How canon are archmages to MtAs?I vaguely recall something about even the author not liking them very much and them being made only because someone ordered an elder splat, but I don't remember the details and I have no clue whether there is any truth to it or not.
>>98256931>Using sorcery makes it HARDER to awaken.Wait, then why do hermetics induct their initiates by teaching them sorcery first?
>>98256931>Are they mage sub-splats too?Yes but you are not ready for that conversation.
>can send and trap people with in their own dreams >can do shit like move faster then the eye can follow but rarely feels the need, even when in danger, because whatever >all of the annoying antics he does is a play up to some other highly dangerous narrative >literally fucking insane and nearly gets the family killed like ten times a year >no you can’t stop him Is Roger the Alien the perfect example of a True Fae living outside the Hedge with some normal human family?
>>98256952I believe he can also bring dreams and nightmares into reality.
>>98256945>How canon are archmages to MtAs?Very. The latter half of Revised made them a staple of mage books leading up to toj>I vaguely recall something about even the author not liking them very much and them being made only because someone ordered an elder splatThe first archmage was porthos, who was given forces 6 in an editting mistake because they had a vampire writer helping write a mage book. The guy didn't know spheres and disciplines were not equal.Then horizon printed 6th dot powers for spheres and declared there will never be any 7th+ dot powers.Then "Masters of the Art" got printed.
