The Great Drake Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>98227292>Thread Question As we now have confirmation that we are getting WoC reveals on Friday, what are you hoping we are getting (other than a dragon which is confirmed)
That paper mini talk gave me an idea to try out out of boredom.Easy to do, tho hard getting gtp to normaly make more variants of a similar style without shitting the bed. But actually kinda fun cutting them to shape.
>>98246091This new volume of Paperboys On Parade is fire.
>>98246091There are dedicated free printable paper mini makers though, like one page rules where everything is set up to be cut out easily
>>98246069>dragon which is confirmedI feel sorry for the people who wanted the mammoth
>>98246069Better looking Chaos Warriors. A good mix between the current ones and hunchbacks. I hope they're not as hyper detailed as Cathay either.
>>98246133Genuinely perplexing that it took them 42 years of Warhammer fantasy to make a chaos champion on chaos dragon model.
>>98246155Pretty sure they've already made a couple.
>>98246069how do we know a dragon is confirmed?
>>98246173Did they? Can you post any of them?
Raaroo, here's to (future) plastic models for all metal minis.
>>98246069Just realises how absolute suicide it is to face a dragon. Thing is so huge, even a scathing hit woukd kill you. Why the fuck woukd you actively look for something like this???
>>98246186What did you think of the 7th edition beastman book beastbro? I mean in terms of fluff. Did you think it was a radical departure of 6th?
>>98246194I only played 7th for a little bit when I was in my very early teens so I don't have much knowledge about previous editions. Still got the 7th edition army book though.Happy to have returned to my warhammer roots with beastmen in the old world, having a great hobby and gaming scene at the moment too.
>>98246185Egrimm van Hortsman, but he was a baned chaos sorcerer for 5th iirc.Wow that's actually it. Guess that explains all the alternative manufacturers making death metal armor guys riding giant lizards.
>>98246180https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1GHJx21AjwUnless you can think of something else that's big and has two heads.
>>98246249Chaos empire Gryphon.
>>98246249Manticore?
>>9824624999% certain it's gonna be a chaos dragon but they might get cheeky and do some shit like a curs'd ettin
>>98246249Cursed Ettin?
>>98246257It's entirely possible>>98246261Don't Manticores have 1 head in Warhammer? Also there's already a chaos lord on manticore kit in plastic, seems like a bit of a waste. And there's a bunch of two headed dragons in the newer Cathay art.
Pic related you can see (a) two headed dragon breathing fire on the bastion.
>>98246249?
>>98246275>>98246278>>98246307Alright I concede that there is a possibility that there is a cursed ettin coming. Although I will stand on that possibility being extremely tiny compared to the chaos dragon.
>>98246315Cursed Ettin was in the recent Total War DLC, so maybe that's a sign
>>98246315i would agree its 99% chance of a Chaos Dragon reveal since we have had rumours of a Chaos dragon for years now, but an Ettin would be cool, i think an AoS leaker even said there would be a "Chaos Gargant" reveal with a bunch of stuff connected to TOW
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>>98246155There was not a bespoke chaos lord/champion on chaos dragon, but there was Egrimm and the 4th edition rulebook had an entire guide telling you exactly how to convert one.
>>98246187Meanwhile in the game, what actually happens, is the dragon wins the duel from a champion, realizes it's outnumbered 30 to 1, runs away, and dies.
I think a dual kit that builds a chaos dragon with a chaos lord, and gaulrach, would be a great kit
>>98246359Yeah dragons are notoriously bad in TOW you're right.
>>98246069Is the bottom right marauder supposed to be atopless female ?
>>98246362gw doesn't really do dual kits much
>>98246435no
>>98246435it is now
>>98246435>is this hyper masculine dude a woman?Now we figured out why GW won't make women that look like women.
>>98246435No. Slaaneshi fuck.
Wish me luck, gentlemen. I've got the next month of hobby time all planned out.
>>98246457>>98246516>>98246593Explain boobs and female hips-shoulder ratio then ?
>>98246693>boobsWhat boobs?>ratioHe's leaning at an angle. You're gay.
>>98246693>boobsImagine being so fat and gay and DYEL you think the only way a man can have chest volume is with bitchtits. Fucking faggot
>>98246671Neat.
ideas for unit fillers for WoC?may need to make some 2x3s
>>98246802A sacrificial altar, some kind of portal where the unit is coming out of, perhaps some grotesque mutants that take up multiple spaces.
>>98246802Chaos spawn, little altars, tiny portals, menhirs, obelisks, daemons.
>>98246802unit fillers are so fucking ugly half the time, just fill them with grey plastic instead of trying to make your MSU unit look special you smegma inhaler.
You know what would be kino? Attaching Daemons to WoC units as champions/magicians/musicians/buff givers - a unit of chaos warriors enthralled by a Daemonette or marauders shambling along with a plaguebearer, the things we could have...
>>98246880sounds like a mess for game design. and on the table.
>>98246887with clear cut rules i dont think it would be that bad, we already attach more than the command group in units for additional effects (grail monks in bretonnian men at arms for example)Sourcing models could be a pain for some i guess
>>98246186Why would you want plastic when metal is superior?
>>98246091Nice. You should post your files when you're done.
>>98247160I just printed this. I like the lil guys so I'll get color cartridges and print them in color.
>>98247183Top left one is not matching
>>98247567>AI slop is sloppy Wow, so insightful, anon.
>>98246802Does your army have a theme?
Does chaos have any dynamics with the moon.
>>98247605morrslieb is made of warpstoneyes
>>98247605Mostly negromancers and Skaven, but also Chaos Sorcerers
>>98247605Beastmen.
>>98247615>NegromancersPygmies aren't canon anymore, dude
>>98246091>>98247183You know you can print in 3D nowadays right?
Charm level 101
>>98247567Oh I know this was a test batch to print. Will gen a bunch and combine the good pairs onto a sheet.>>98248176Yeah, but the point is trying out paperhammer for the lols
>>98246218Oh ya I just meant the feel of the book in terms of the lore in 7th book vs 6th for beasties.
>>98246186Why? Don't we have enough CADslop already
>>98246365Not everyone plays ToW fren
Anyone here collect minis, but never actually play WHFB/TOW rulesets and use minis for OPR or boardgames/RPGs?
I really want plastic chaos trolls. And it would be nice to have some hero level WoC miniatures. Maybe a plastic guy that can be made into a BSB or aspiring champion. A lord on a chaos dragon feels like a point-sink in an army that already has small numbers, but I don't deny it would sell like hotcakes to Timmies and painters.
>>98248806>plastic trollsCurrent ones are great. Pegs are so big and tight that you don't need to pin them
>>98248895>. Pegs are so big and tightFUCK now im erect, thats on you now anon.
>>98248895a remake in plastic would be good, still, like the troggoth (lol) from AoSAvatars of War has some cool chaos trolls, tho>>98246239I want to get my hands on Van Horstman but a model in decent condition con go for some 300 pounds, and I ain't paying that much for a toy soldier. I'm converting my own chaos dragon from a broken one from rap partha but I still need a rider
>>98248647No it's just you, you dysgenic freak.
I dont get whats the "hype" around a dragon is for. You could buy a cheaper one from archon or even use that one stormcast dragon or the dark elf one.
>>98249001Most conversions look like total dogshit and AOS miniatures are way too big for WHFB/TOW.
>>98249030> and AOS miniatures are way too big for WHFB/TOWYou guys seem to complain about that here a lot, but it's really not noticeable unless it's a mixed unit of models.
>>98249030a dragon or an elite unit being big is not a problemthe problem is that there aren't many good dragon miniatures around despite the number of dragon miniatures the best options are prints, which is not good
Got a rules question for you guys- if I have a unit of skirmishers flee, and a couple of models would end their move on top of/behind a friendly unit, do ALL the models in the skirmisher unit keep moving so that they pass through the unit & come out the other end?
>>98249082they should at least move to go back into coherency, afaik.
>>98249063wrong thread buddy
>>98249082>>98249138I had this same question almost a year ago cause one of our players always placed his skirmishers in a T formation so that 2 to 4 were in a line towards one of his units so if the skirmishers got charged they would always flee past their unit since they were guaranteed to land on their own unit. It's a RAW interpretation which is dickish at best like all rules lawyering. RAI would suggest each model can only move its rolled distance and the models that end in a friendly unit pop out, possibly breaking coherency.
>>98249351>It's a RAW interpretation which is dickish at best like all rules lawyering.That goes without saying, and I probably wouldn't ever use such a dickish strategy myself, but we have a couple waacfag Bretonnian Exiles players who deserve exactly this sort of thing, spamming the Grail Knight/Totem of Wrath to one shot everything they run into, so they will be given no quarter & I have no qualms abusing any trick in the book against such reckless faggotry.
>>98249330Snort my shit, I own only whf era models and I undoubtedly own more than you, but I'm still going to let people play with whatever they want so long as it fits the vibe within reason.
are chaos warhounds any good?
>>98249530Yes, they are your primary screeners to protect your more valuable units, like chaos knights or chosen.
>>98249530They're very points-efficient and fast chaff, but chaff is generally not very good in this edition because of how the overrun rules work. You'd think they'd be half-decent bulletcatchers too, and they are, but why waste points on catching bullets when you can just hide everything behind terrain and only send your important stuff out?
>>98249530WS4 goes a long way. I've been really pleasantly surprised with them for their cost. The primal ones are especially good cause of primal fury.
When exactly is the last time this game had any real news?
>>98250235Yesterday I guess
>>9825023526 hours ago
Everybody thinks it’s going to be a dragon. But we all know GW loves to bank on nostalgia. Leaping Slomm Two-Face will finally get a proper model.
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>>98249082>>98249351>>98249406The exact wording of the rule says that if the unit stops on the friendly unit, it keeps going until "the unit" clears it.Since it says "the unit" and not the model or models, even the skirmishers that wouldn't have ended up on the unit pass through it. After all, if half are on one side and half are on the other, the unit didn't "clear" it.
>>98250458Yeah, its RAW. It just allows dumb interactions that I'll abide by. The guy im talking about would do stuff like. So that the skirmishers are guaranteed 9" minimum flee distance.DDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSS
>>98250518Oh yeah, skirmisher rules were a mistake. RAW they're mostly fine but can be easily abused. 1.5e is supposed to rein them in so here's hoping.
>>98250575I'd be ok if they get the coherence thing i believe 40k got. Not sure on the specifics, but basically every model in the unit had to be within 6" of the center of all the models in the unit. But that doesn't stop the T stuff really. I'd like flee to be per model spreading out like a fan cause each model flees away from the enemy instead of the unit fleeing in a uniform direction, let unit coherence explode so players don't just conga line or jank the system. Make it cost models by being tricky and cause wide spread panic checks.
>>98246069anyword on when battalions will come back. I kinda want to get into empire and paint them semi historical
>>98251223no ill guess that will be covered at the reveal show or soon afterwards
>>98246091Color test batch + OPR paper terrian (not glued or taped)Thanks to the anon who gave this autistic idea, gonna get into paperfaging
>>98251314Yay we got a new schizo
>>98251314You fuckers will do anything but assemble and paint a model
>>98251314Based. God speed paper anon. I kinda want to do s couple armies in paper so I can store a WHFB game in a single folder.
>>98251314if you're going to make an entire board like this, why go for 25mm scale instead of 10mm?
>>98249406Can't people like this be ostracize into decent manners. At that point why not just concede the game, calmly explain that such behaviour isn't conductive to a healthy social group and play someone else? Surely if they're somewhat normal they'll adjust their behaviour, and if they're not then you still don't waste your time with them.
Once again, I am in need of ideas for what to freehand on my next banner. My previous ideas were all crap, so I turn to you, /wfg/. The only rules are that the banner itself has to be black and that any skull or eye-based designs are banned as I've already used those for my other banners. Inspire me!
>>98251646consider the spiky boi
>>98251646There's a latin phrase "Sic itur ad astra" which means "this is the way to the stars" or "thus one goes to the stars". Or also "Hinc itur ad astra" (from here the way leads to the stars).You could slightly modify it by changing the plural "stars" to the singular (chaos) star. "Sic itur ad astrum" or " Hinc itur ad astrum". Your army is the way to reach the only one star worth reaching/only your general can lead others to the glory of the chaos star.Idk I always like adapting latin phrased to warhammer by modifying them a bit to make some sort of play on words.
>>98251646Mammoth face, in profile or straight on.Lightning boltsA ruined tower/castleJust red orange and yellow flames burning along the bottom edge - small dragon emblem in corner breathing fire cross way down middle optionalRosie the Riveter but make her a demon of some kindA forearm with a hand/glove/gauntlet at both ends, one making a thumbs up another making a thumbs down.
>>98251646Mammoth skull with chaos star on it
>>98252132MORE TERRAIN
>>98252132Errantry Crusade list seems so boring, and I say that as a BretonniCHAD myself. They have the opposite problem of dorfs, the game is just CHARGE CHARGE CHARGE but without the fun and risk of Khorne and WoC. Making our dogshit infantry viable is much more interesting and enjoyable to me, and I can field just as many knights by sticking to KOTR. And I get to see more peasants die horribly in funny ways.
>>98252704Charging is always risky and always fun. That's inherent to the main rules of the game.However, there's nothing interesting about having yet another 3/3/3 block of infantry.As for the option of infantry you seem to forget that crusaders get the pilgrims as core along with squires, which are amazing skirmish.
>>98252827>always risky>SwiftstrideAnd you know what I mean, Errantry has basically no infantry even if you take some token (and the required core) units. I like blocks of 3/3/3 doods, they're as interesting as you make them.
I wrestled a lot with deciding whether to rebase my dwarves to 25mm or get base adapters. After painting up Ungrim, I’m absolutely sold. Dwarves look GREAT on 25mm, at least the modern ones.Hopefully I don’t regret this when I do my metal long beards.
>>98252896I'm still hesitating with my 5e metal Brets. Obviously the knights could go either way, but the soldiers ranked up look silly to me on 25s. There's SO much space between each dood when they should be shoulder to shoulder with barely enough room to swing.
>>98252881You clearly don't play game if you think swiftstride is enough to make the charges not risky. You see the game I posted? I failed my impetuous roll on 2 or my 3 cav units and failed the 3 charges, 2 of them thanks to difficult terrain.>And you know what I mean, Errantry has basically no infantryNo I don't know what you mean. An infantry choice that is immune to psychology and unbreakable for 6 pts per model as a core choice is great. Same with foot knights and squires.
>>9825289620mm was always retarded, that literally only worked with the monopose diagonal slot minis, keeping it at 20mm for all those decades was just sunken cost phallacy
>>98252925>phallacyHAHAHA FAGGOT! He's got phallus on the brain because he's a FAGGOT who loves cock!!!
>>98252935Well yeah, I'm a beastman player after all.
>>98252942Oh, sorry. I didn't know.
>>98251646the unit's profile in dark runes the vitruvian man of chaos, with mutations, horns and the sprue pegs at the extremities instead of a circlethe map of the campaign of terror they've done southward until nowa handshake between an armoured hand and a demonic hand
>>98251646Good old Jolly Roger.
tell me the lore of your army's general.
Originally I was trying to write an OC baron character, but I couldn't decide on a cool name. I also couldn't think of a good kitbash to do for my general model. So for now he's just Louen Leoncoeur/Orcslayer.
>>98253853Most creative Bret fag
>>98253853What about Louenth Loencore Réessayer De Nouveau?
>>98251646howd you make this photo look like that anon? looks like a scan of an old white dwarf or something. is it just a shit ass camera lol
>>98253857Try thinking of a French name that isn't gay. It's tough mane.
Had a moment last weekend where my Ungor spearmen rolled snake eyes on their primal fury test and wrecked the chaos warriors who charged them and whiffed. It's moments like this that make the hobby worthwhile.
How would you anons say strategy in list building matters in this game? Over in AoS, you don't *need* certain units to deal with other certain enemy units, an artillery piece is just as likely to wound a big monster as it is infantry.
video game developers used to look like that!?!
>>98254492About 60% for the average army, with some like greenskins and empire being 80% and brettonia and WoC being around 40%. Empire can lose a match before placing a model if their list cant deal with certain match ups, and unlike other armies they have all the tools available to deal with every threat. It can be all down to the list to lose outright. That said, having a proper list doesn't guarantee a win for any army.
>>98254550Total side tangent but there was a lot to be said about the small studios of the 90's. Take the original Doom for instance. You felt like you knew the creators. You could tell they listened to heavy metal and played DnD. You almost felt like you were there with them at the office ordering pizza late at night. Once game studios got large enough to have execs who didn't game themselves, HR roasties, diversity consultants and the like, everything went to hell.
>>98253787Well, it depends. I have a whole word document of 12+ page detailing the history, economy, logistics and lore of my Tilean dwarf hold.There is technically one king and a council ruling the hold and its satellite settlement. But unless I’d play my whole collection in one massive game of 25k points of dwarf; he’ll never really be my general.For regular games I have various Lords and Thanes that each get a name and some fluff. I have a bunch of individual character miniatures with different loadouts that I rotate.Depending on what happens during the game the named character might become a permanent fixture in the lore. Characters might be promoted from the ranks of regular troops (I’ve had a longbeard champion kill an elf hero in a challenge, so he became a thane with his own bespoke miniature). In one of my last games – we’re currently playing a campaign- my general was a young (young by dwarf standards) Thane, last of several sons. He asked and received from his family his portion of inheritance (in the form of a runed sword, Gromril armour and runed-up shield) and set out with a small contingent of dwarf warriors to reach one of the northern holds to answer the call of a distant relative. By the time he got there the hold had already been taken over by undead and greenskins.For a bit he marched along a group of ogres, then had an old as fuck engineer join him with an ancient bolt thrower (that the engineer claims has been in use since the War of Vengeance), then he found a way INTO the hold and is currently trying to negotiate with the vampiress who’s now in charge.Pic related, is a little sheet I made at the beginning of the campaign. You can see I gave him a name, a nobiliary title and some holdings. Once the campaign is over, depending on what happens to him, I might promote him to a Lord level character, have him become the fixed hero in a named unit or if he were to die then he might become a generic hero miniature.
Banking off of what >>98254492 said, things like positioning and deployment is super important for a lot of armies. I’ve lost as Dwarfs in the deployment phase, since my units are so slow, if I deploy wrong, they simply won’t see battle. Since the units are generally in rank formation, movement becomes super important because you can’t just squeeze through obstacles and terrain.There’s also a lot more granularity, which leads to more tactical circumstances and maneuvers. When I play against my buddy’s goblins, its always a jack in the box if he has fanatics. Sometimes I prepare for them only for him to juke me out and have not taken them. Lots of upgrades and magic items can really change how a unit preforms or behaves.
>>98254681Release the Mordiferro files, I want to read up on them.
>>98251314GOBBOSWE IZ BETTA DAN DEMGONNA STABGONNA KILL EM
>>98254589Not him but I would think WoC are far more likely to depend on a list to win than orcs and empire. As much as I like them, investing in more chaos warriors actively hurts the army. Chaos Spawn too. I think there are less list traps for Orcs and Empire than WoC.
>>98254929>lessFewer. Empire has a bunch. State troops without the griffon banner. Free company Greatswords. Flagellants. Helstrom. Pistoleers.War altar.
>>98254589>>98254810Alright, thanks chaps.Non-related, but just noticed this is the WHFB thread, not OW. You guys really still play this game? I'm intrigued.
>>98251314Genuinely based please post a batrepIf you manage to get a game
>>98255202This is the warhammer fantasy general, which includes whfb and tow (and whfrpg). But yes, some people still play whfb. Though I think most have moved on to tow
>>98255202Old World is just the 9th edition of Fantasy Battles, really. But yes some people here play at least 6th and 8th. Sometimes people mention playing the older editions too but I haven't seen evidence of people playing them actively, so who knows.
>>98255222Will put on hold for a short while, because I thought about coding a web app to help me make better paper dudes with customizable base size and back and front sides for minis since most apps for paper minis don't have what I'm looking for. They are intended for DnD, not wargames
>>98255419Also because AI messes up sizes often and just making everything case by case in photodhop is meh
>>98246186Spoken like a true beastfag
>>98249030AoS Chaos warriors and chosen are perfectly fine.
>>98254929>>98255202Its not really about traps actually. Its more the tool mismatch that can happen in orcs and empire. You can make generalist lists that do ok against everything but they are much harder to pilot. So building a slanted list is usually the better option for most players, leaning into fighting blocks of infantry or killing monsters or gun lines, etc. But that small slant makes the weaknesses you arent covering for much worse and if your opponent just happens to be good against it you might have lost before a model hits the table.If you cant deal with heavy armor, you lose to dwarfs, but if you can't deal with static rez bricks of goblins cause you focused on killing heavy armor you're also fucked. And if you focused on trying to do both types of infantry Brettonia runs you over. WoC has less choice in what it specializes against, meaning their list choices are more forgiving even if the choices are or aren’t traps.Also yes I play lots of tow matches. Im the beastwomen poster.
>>98254811remind me in a few days, I have the file on a computer at my second office. I'll put together a more coherent document and translate what needs translating (it's half in english and half in Italian). >>98255202I still play 8th ed, and so do others (there's a whole forum of us), a lot of people play 6th ed and a lot more play Reinassance (which is a fan cleaned up version of 4th+5th ed). Not to mention the most based of players who play 3rd ed.
>>98255239>Though I think most have moved on to towIt's funny because as soon as they get a designer to come in and write an actual ruleset ToW will get dumped like the steaming bag of dogshit it is. It should've been a revised version of a previous edition with all the kinks worked out similar to what they did in Horus Heresy, but instead what we got was an intern copy pasting rules from 6th and 7th with basically no thought put into it besides cutting out chunks of text to reduce optipns & shrimplify things.
>>98255936TOW is just the Fantasy 9th edition. I know you’re shitposting and you gave yourself away. But even as bait this argument is painfully retarded. Most people play 9th edition/TOW. Just like most people play current editions of other GW and non GW games. Yes people playing older editions exist, but those are very niche and area specific communities.
>forgot the name I gave my sorceror who's my generalfuck, it was something -"one eye"I think ogvold? but that's a magic item, may have been similar
>>98255088>War altarThis was always a meme
>>98255970This, it's literally just 9e. It's not good, but it's not that bad either.
