Finally watched Conan the Barbarian for the first time/tg/'s for this feel?
>>98246762Barbarians of Lemuria,Conan d20conan 2d10Worlds without number
>>98246762One of the best scores by Basil. I listen to "Theology" all on its own.
>>98247098It was genuinely amazing and made everything better
Read the original Howard stories next and then we can talk
>>98246799>Worlds without numberIs't the setting of WWN more of a gonzo thing than S&S?
>>98248095What's the difference?
>>98247797They're not really close to the film, though. Kull maybe comes closer - he's more introspective and self-reflecting in a way that Conan generally isn't.
>>98248181S&S is more gritty and down to earth. It keeps the fantastical and supernatural rare, unknown and wondrous. It's also more concerned with internal consistency.Gonzo is more flashy and focused on spectacle. The fantastical is common place and almost mundane while sacrificing internal consistency for the rule of cool.At least that is my interpretation of them. I don't doubt that there are many instances where the line separating the two gets really blurry.
>>98246762Astonishing Swordsmen & Sorcerers of Hyperborea
>>98248221I always thought gonzo was that kind of weird borderline psychedelic fantasy that was more common in 70's fantasy book covers
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D&D was always more Howard than Tolkien from the start
>>98248221I hate this fucking description of S&S. It sounds like you've never actually read any of the genre.
>>98250215Sorry you don't like it. I haven't read a lot of S&S but I have read some Clarck Aston Smith, a Conan Omnibus and the first 5 volumes of the Elric bandes dessinées.
>>98248211>They're not really close to the film, though.And that's why the Conan stories are far superior to the films.
>>98250510Conan, who fights wizards and monsters and the monsters conjured up by wizards on a more or less daily basis and has run-ins with entities Out of Space (as Howard-not-the-surname might have put it) every now and then.Elric, an alchemy-fuelled albino elven arch sorcerer and Emperor-gone-AWOL, running around with a preposterously powerful magic&sentient sword he got from an outer plane after summoning (and then outsmarting) a God of Chaos in person, and who as a quick little sidequest fuses with three other Great heroes to save the entire universe from a pair of multiverse-journeying purple reality eaters.Gritty and down to Earth.
>>98248095The default setting is based on dying earth style settings of eons into the future with a little bit of everything, but the base mechanics and one of the specific areas in the default setting is very clearly going for the conan style barbarian kings and evil sourcerers vibe. Forgot the name of the area. But anyways mechanicly the shock addition to combat (if you are bellow a certain armor value and you get attacked by a certain calibur of weapon, you take residual damage regardless) and general combat flow is very conan.>>98248221It covers both S&S and gonzo. Much of the setting is primarily human with rare dark things creeping in the shadows of the periphery of civilization and the wilds.However, other places are more dying earth like the religious beastmen, localized anomolous regions, or the semi industrial place. Reading the book, the two influences that I felt the strongest were Howard and Vance (dying earth). With some sprinkling of Ashton (zothique) and Lovecraft (weird beyond our comprehension monsters and mad ravings). So Weird Tales + Vance.
>>98248211If I remember well, the movie originally was going to be about Kull.
>>98250620ah, I was thinking of LLaigis
>>98248221Howard's mcs meet the supernatural pretty casually, when Kull was sent to the future to fight against Roman legions, he just had some philosophical talk before going into action.
>>98250597>gritty and down to earthYes.H-have you not read the stories, senpai? You're really looking quite ridiculous.
>>98250645>>98250215nts, but usually in the like 8 or 9 conan short stories I read, the supernatural exists, but they are on the peripheries of the world in dark corners of nature or unknown cellers of the cities. They arent so much out and about around the town. Humans are the norm pretty much everywhere, but its not uncommon for conan to come across some dark alien temple out in the waistes or some demon thing in an underground cabal, but they very much are treated as these horrible unusual things, while on average conan will be faced with men much more often.
The down to earth parts of elric this anon >>98250660 is most familiar with is fucking his own cousin and getting sad he can't do that anymore.
>>98250660Not that poster but Ive only read The Pheonix on the Sword. I want to get more into Conan but my hobby time is already spoken for.
>>98250688A lot of his stories are in the public domain, you can read them for free over wikisource.https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Robert_Ervin_Howard
>>98250660So in the end you're just a sad little troll.
>>98246762Scarlet Heroes is specifically for that feel. Its made for a single player, single gm, being a big hero who still has to think on their feet, marauds through mooks and explores dungeons. Even has a kitchen sink fantastical sword and sorcery world to go with it. Easy to play, good tables and resources, lets you quickly use an absurd amount of material already existing.
The riddle of steel is about willpower. Without will your flesh is controllable.
>>98250688They're mainly short stories, so tackling Howard feels way more feasible than trying to tackle all of Tolkien as a grown employed adult.
>>98250714Thanks for the link.
>>98250817Tolkien is just a trilogy, even then, they are relatively small compared to some modern 1001 pages monstrosities.>>98250833You are welcome, it also has a lot from weird tales.
>>98250686>ineffectual strawmankekDo better.>>98250748>feeds "obvious" trollkekmoar!>>98250783The Riddle is about hardship, about forging character, about combining both the good and the bad into one form, about strength through flexibility and wisdom, about unity and focus effort, about that which makes you stonger.It is about forging the will into something that can win the struggles of life.
>>98250783>>98250929>"Money and muscle, that’s what I want; to be able to do any damned thing I want and get away with it. Money won’t do that altogether, because if a man is a weakling, all the money in the world won’t enable him to soak an enemy himself; on the other hand, unless he has money he may not be able to get away with it."R.E. Howard
>>98250950kekThe Riddle has nothing to do with that mama's boy RE Howard and his suicidal tendencies.Holy fuck, kek.
>>98250950>Money and muscle, that’s what I want; to be able to do any damned thing I want and get away with it.That's not a man: that's a child.A child who can't handle real life.
>>98250987He killed himself at 30 years old.Apparently people only cared about the money he was making.
>>98251007He killed himself because his mom died.
>>98250950Fucking based
>>98246762Lone Wolf gamebooks
>>98251043It was a series of factors, he even complained in a letter about how much two faced money grabbers the people he was dealing with were.
>>98250688You can just read the comics if you're lazy. That's what I did with Conan and Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser before reading the books.
>>98251067He shot himself right--like immediately--after he heard of her impending death...hell, he didn't even wait for her to die!
>>98251061oofSee here: >>98250987
>>98251070I've got the first 3 omnis of the 70s series, it's fun as fuck.
>>98251080Yes, I know.ROBERT E. HOWARD toAUGUST DERLETH,dated May 9, 1936Dear Mr. August:I am indeed sorry to learn of the deaths in your family. Death to the old is inevitable, and yet somehow I often feel that it is a greater tragedy than death to the young. When a man dies young he misses much suffering, but the old have only life as a possession and somehow to me the tearing of a pitiful remnant from weak old fingers is more tragic than the looting of a life in its full rich prime. I don't want to live to be old. I want to die when my time comes, quickly and suddenly, in the full tide of my strength and health.Thanks very much for "Retreat to Nature". You've put into words, vividly and powerfully, what I've tried to say in my stumbling way several times--to derision of various would-be sophisticates. I'm going to keep your article handy and brandish it in their faces next time instead of busting them over the head with a branding iron as I had contemplated. It always gave me hydrophobia to see some smart-aleck gibing: "Defeatism!" whenever he sees something thathe, personally, doesn't care to do. I'll admit I seldom commune with nature; about the only time I ever stroll through the woods is when I'm looking for s snort of moonshine liquor. Though I was raised in the country my ignorance of trees, animals, etc., is annoying even to me. But I heartily admit a kinship with the primitive, and I have only respect for lovers and interpreters of nature. To hell with the psychologists and city-bred psychoanalysts and all the other freaks spawned by our rotting civilization. They've lived between concrete and shingles so long they've forgot their origin. They ought to get out before sun-up and walk through the grass barefooted some morning, just for an unfamiliar experience. I once wrote a rhyme in which I tried to express my resentment:He also didn't want to live for long
>>98248221>S&S is more gritty and down to earth.This is retarded and not sword and sorcery. Sword and sorcery is not low-fantasy, the preferred genre by retards unable to get into anything fantastical who just want to read about cocks entering other men's butt.
>>98251149>muh there was reasons!!1!!one!!kekHe was a coward and a mama's boy who made up excuses for why he couldn't handle life.The poor idiot was confused and out of his depth. He couldn't handle life or the world of men without his mommy. He was afraid of life.He had no idea what being a man meant, and dodged his responsibilities. And he hid his shallow emptiness behind a false screen of bravado and childishness.Pathetic.
>>98251149Conan laughs at the weakness of his creator, then snaps his scrawny neck.
>>98251204>just want to read about cocks entering other men's butt.>immediate homosexual thoughtsAre you from east of the Iron Curtain?
>>98251244Homosexual thoughts is exactly what low fantasy is about. Please keep your shit genre away from sword and sorcery.
>>98251229>I have no fear of the Hereafter. An orthodox hell could hardly be more torture than my life has been.>Letter to Tevis Clyde Smith, July 1925He was suicidal long before his suicide.He was around 19s when he wrote this
>>98251398>19, and his life is "Hell"kekwimp mama's boy confirmed.
>>98251485It was 1925, the post world war, and the dust bowl and great depression ware around the cone.
>>98247098>>98247117They really captured the instruments that would have been used at the time. Oftentimes movies fictional or historically based would just use a modern orchestra which would been out of place.
>>98251513oofThat's a lot of projection, there, little buddy!Maybe reddit is more your speed? This place is clearly too much for you...
>>98246762"On Mighty Thew" for something simple, robust, and narrative.
>>98251762>RE Howard was a coward who feared life. He never exprerienced manliness for even one minute. He was born a little boy, raised a little boy, and ended as a little boyHe got poor eyesight from his boxing days
>conan thread>full of retards that haven't read a single storyWhy the fuck are there so many posters on this board that larp as conan readers? Every single one of his stories takes no more than like an hour to read, just go read it if you want to talk about it.
>>98251863Secondaries, and s&s purists.People also have different definitions of grounded.
>>98251577That's a really good point, anon. I think that must be part of why it's such a great score.
>>98251863Reading is for queers anon.
>>98251513>RE Howard was a coward who feared life. He never exprerienced manliness for even one minute. He was born a little boy, raised a little boy, and ended as a little boyGoodness!It seems you got mad at my post!Here it is again for you, little buddy! So sorry you got upset!!
>>98251796kekYou win today's internets.
>>98251499kekToo bad my reply got gacked, must've upset someone...No one saw any of that shit coming, anon. Least of all REH. He was incapable of handling life, much like a tumblerina landwhale with colorful hair.Suicide ain't manly, it's pathetic.A real man sticks it out to the bitter end. Cowards flee.
>>98251948I bet most people say shit like that wouldn't have the balls to point the gun at their heads.
>>98248230This
>>98250783Thulsa Doom was basically right at the end of the movie. Conan realizing he didn't need a sword in order to kill him.
>>98251948It's neither manly nor pathetic, unless you've got a horrible terminal disease it's just an incredibly sad outcome of mental illness. Demonizing someone as """weak""" or """pathetic""" is just as shitty and stupid as romanticizing it.
>>98252196The is more or less how, the first Conan's story went.
>>98250597>>98250686>Fucks his cousin>Needs drugs to survive and is obsessed with his weapon>Literally white Is Elric a redneck?
>>98250950Brains has a higher ceiling than brawn.
>>98252325Kind of, in the "fallen southern gentry" kind of redneck/white trash.You know, they have columns on their porch and maybe lions on either side of the driveway, but their yard is littered with broken down vehicles and scrap and the children's eyes are either too close together, or too far apart.
>>98252325Worse, a self-loathing Tori.
>>98252325>>98252356Yeah, but the not really hating the other guys worse than hating his own kind of redneck. IIRC he wasn't particulary hateful of non-melniboneans, even.
>>98252383He is close to an accelerationist chud all things considered.
>>98248221Sword and sorcery is more an aesthetic that an "amount of" magic present or "how mundane" the world is.Sword and sorcery is an aesthetic.Cosmic horror is in the delivery.
I'm doing an autism-fueled project for my Call of Cthulhu / Sword and sorcery extended universe campaigns.Basically I'm trying to combine every sword and sorcery story into a single multiversal campaign "Weird and Mythic Earth".I have to say, is insane how prolific Howard was, insane the amount of stories he produced with good level of quality.
>>98252452>I have to say, is insane how prolific Howard was, insane the amount of stories he produced with good level of quality.Most of his stories are already in the same universe, C.A.S and Lovecraft's too.And Lovecraft's dream land may as well be the same of Dunsany's
>>98252519Yeah, the skeletal structure of my universe is Robert E. Howard, Lovecraft and Clark Ashton.But I'm picking works from all sword and sorcery, Thongor of Lemuria, Jirel Saga but also lesser known works like The Boats of the Glen Carrig - William Hope Hodgson or The Great White Space - Basil Copper.I'm sort of doing a chronology and saying "this is what actually happened in the world in approximately this order of events" with all the weird supernatural shit.
>>98246762Unironically, literally Riddle of Steel
>>98252579Check out some Algernon Blackwood if you haven't already. The Willows is 10/10 weirdness.
>>98252590thanks anon, if you are interested in checking my franken monsterhttps://url-shortener.me/NDIB
>>98246762Riddle of Steel?
>>98252444>Sword and sorcery is an aesthetic.I don't think anyone is disputing that. The key word on that anons post is "more". S&S is grittier and more down to earth as compared to gonzo. Which is kinda true I guess.
>Flesh is mightier than steel, Conan. Here's proof.>*watches girl kill herself*What did he mean by this
40+ years later and people still miss the actual points made in the Conan the Barbarian movie.Everybody loves to repeat the Conan's reply to "What's best in life?", but they miss how everything that happens later proves him wrong, and that the son of the Khan was right. Just like Conan's father was also wrong, and Thulsa Doom's speech about "flesh" being stronger than steel was correct.
>>98252196Doom wasn't quite right. He says flesh is stronger than steel, but when he puts Conan on the Tree of Woe it is Conan's will that forces his flesh to endure. Thus will is greater than flesh, and will determines when steel will be swung. Doom found the next stage of the riddle, but Conan leaped past him to the answer.
>>98253293no you idiot, literally watch the fucking movieguess how Thulsa Doom dies? To fucking steel. That's right, all his lies and trickery and magic failed him when one man with a blade shanked his ass.
>>98253518Anon, "flesh" and "will" are the same in the movie. The idea is that a tool like a sword can fail you unlike what Conan's father said, but a strong will endure and win in the end.>>98253538No, retard. Conan's father sword failed Rexor and was broken by Conan himself. Conan's will was stronger than Thulsa Doom's will. He could have killed him with his bare hands, using the broken sword was just more poignant. Note how he later throws it away just to prove to Doom's followers that he was killed by simple metal.It's not complicated, ffs. It's literally a pulp version of the Triiumph of the Will niestchean stuff.
>>98253040The flesh commands, the steel obeys.
>>98253557>No, retard. Conan's father sword failed Rexor and was broken by Conan himself. Conan didn't need a fancy sword to kill Thulsa Doom you stupid pseudo-intellectual faggot. Any blade would do, because Thulsa Doom is a man of flesh and a man of flesh can be severed from his life by any steel. You never watched the movie. You don't know shit. >It's not complicated, ffs.Yes, exactly, it's not complicated, we are shown steel triumphing over flesh as the finale of the film, all without any grandiose bragging. Because flesh can talk all it wants, but at the end of the day, even broken steel can silence that flesh forever. You dumbfuck. Can't wait for the retard mental gymnastics you're going to try now.
>>98253293>>98253518>>98253538>>98253557It's a little less and a little more complicated.The Riddle of Steel business was written for the movie, and the general idea was to try and add some depth to what was a very shallow film that was originally much more generic. There really is not much more meaning to it than Yoda talking in circles about emotion-leads-to-emotion-leads-to-emotion, and it's important to remember that Milius was not some grand philosopher but a guy who made a career of writing scripts......that provided no answers......just moments to mug at the camera with a sense of heightened gravitas.It's a fun movie, but the Riddle of Steel is just meant to be stuff that sounds cool and whet your mental appetite for some deeper meaning, like the black box of Lost writing.
>>98253604>we are shown steel triumphing over flesh as the finale of the filmWrong, retard. We see Conan's will triumphing over Thulsa Doom's will. Conan without his strong will would have been defeated, that's the actual key factor.Pay attention the next time you see the movie, moron. I wore off my VHS copy before you were even born.
>>98253613The original script by Oliver Stone was pulpy shlok like the second movie.But turns out that Johh Milius was the perfect guy to direct Conan, because he had pretty much the same sensibilities as Howard or Frank Franzetta.Which is why cherry picking REH books didn't matter, Milius's Conan would have made Howard smile, guaranteed The vibes and mindset were 100% on point. (whic is also why some Conan comic book readers didn't like the movie at the time)>but the Riddle of Steel is just meant to be stuff that sounds cool and whet your mental appetite for some deeper meaning, like the black box of Lost writing.Simple? yes. Meaningless? No. It wasn't black box bs, just nietzschean ideas mixed with the anti hippie backslash of the era.
>>98253633>Meaningless? No.Actually, yes. Conan is an odd animal; it's probably not correct to call him a man because he never quite achieves that level of sapience. No one in the film really does, with the most eloquent character deliberately and quite literally downshifting into an animal in case anyone was starting to think otherwise.It's a bag of rats action film, but with a little "you ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?" thrown in but without the Joker admitting that he just likes the sound of it.
>>98253687I guess you needed a version of Conan with Sesame Street muppets explaining what happens to you, but let me assure you that characters not talking in every scene doesn't mean they're not saying something
>>98253717Wow... so deep.Talking... without..................words.Whoa.
If you guys would like a pseudointellectual , talking without words conan movie I really can't recommend picrel enough. But only in that very specific case.
>>98253633>Milius's Conan would have made Howard smile, guaranteedNo it wouldn't secondary, Howard would have been infuriated at seeing conan a slaveit is a good movie but not a good conan movie. simple as
>>98253760>a professional writer like Howard woulnd't have understood the necessity of Conan's origin story for the movieWrong. Howard himself mix and matched his heroes. He would have been totally on board with the Conan of the movie. There was no need to match perfectly his book version, just to keep the same spirit, and he does.
>>98253623>Wrong, retard. We see Conan's will triumphing over Thulsa Doom's will. Thulsa Doom's will is fucking irrelevant when he's stabbed through the vital organs. How are you so fucking retarded? God, I'm so sick of you idiots who don't understand the Riddle of Steel.>Conan without his strong will would have been defeated, that's the actual key factor.Conan would have been defeated by steel, the steel of his enemies, if he had not been saved by killing them first with his own steel. You are braindead, nigger.
>>98253776>Howard himself mix and matched his heroes. He would have been totally on board with the Conan of the movie????No he didn't secondary.He has crossovers like when Bran Mak Morn meets kull but he does not "mix and match" his heroes.
>>98253793What "steel of his enemies" you retard? Thulsa Doom has no weapon except his voice in the final scene. Conan is about to surrender until he remembers his own will, mirroring the scene at the start of the movie where his mother falls under Doom's spell and is killed.You haven't actually watched the movie, do you turdworlder?
>>98253878>What "steel of his enemies" you retard?Damn, if only there was a whole army that Conan had to fight to survive or something. No, clearly Conan just had to 'will' them all away, my mistake. Or maybe you're a retard who never watched the fucking film. >Conan is about to surrender until he remembers his own willAnd what did Conan use on Thulsa Doom that Doom could not resist? What was it that all of Doom's willpower and flesh and magic could not divert? Answer it you stupid faggot
>>98253633>Milius's Conan would have made Howard smile, guaranteedI doubt it.Howard's Conan was a max-stats-in-all-categories character. More cunning than wizards, stronger than ape men, effectively limitless stamina and will, a leader of many men and seducer of many women, and every defeat, including crucifixion, being only a minor setback.Howard's Conan, faced with the problem of a powerful and rich cult that he has a personal vendetta against, would probably have marshaled together an army with the promises of the cult's wealth as payment, or just the promise of liberation.Movie Conan didn't have Howard's Conan's intelligence or charisma, and so couldn't really employ the tactics that he would have. Conan is a guy who could casually moonlight as a general if the mood struck him, would raise up armies starting with no funds whatsoever, and spent most of career with a moral compass that simply said "take what you can."
>>98253938>if only there was a whole army that Conan had to fight to survive or somethingYou mean when he fights a bunch of goons with the help of a skinny spic and a geriatric chink? And the ghost of his dead girlfriend cames back to save his ass when he's about to be killed? Thus proving that his father was wrong about everything?>And what did Conan use on Thulsa Doom that Doom could not resist?His will, retard. This is storytelling 101, you moron. The BROKEN steel sword is a symbol of his father, but he could have killed Doom with his bare hands.You don't get the riddle of the Steel or the point of the movie. Watch it again and pay attention this time, moron. Wait, first go back to school because your high school diplima should be revoked.
>>98253978>Howard's ConanYou're missing the point.Howard's heroes all had things in common and movie Conan was perfectly in sync with them. He doesnt need to be 1:1 with the book version . Additionally, you're also missing that it was an origin story, and Conan is not supposed yet to be fully the dude that it becomes later in life.
>>98254071movie conan had nothing in snyc with them lmaoand you're pretending that solomon kane, bran mak morn, conan and kull are the exact same characters. >Additionally, you're also missing that it was an origin story, and Conan is not supposed yet to be fully the dude that it becomes later in life.It's a shitty origin story seeing as conan was never a slave and was said by howard to have been raiding the aquilonian frontier as a teenager, not being a slave
>>98254130>you're pretending that solomon kane, bran mak morn, conan and kull are the exact same characters.no, just that they have in common more than they are different. >It's a shitty origin story seeing as conan was never a slavethat's irrelevant, and you fixating on minutiae instead of what are the defining traits of the character
>>98254147>no, just that they have in common more than they are different.Yeah, solomon kane and conan both use swords, wander and fight but they are hardly the same thing and you pretending they are shows you haven't really read any of the stories>dude why are you fixating on minutiaebecause they actually matter, secondary.Howard was a black haired, blue eyed proto-gael. he was not a brown haired central european austrian. he was not a slave.
Secondaries seem to have so much trouble understanding the fact that the Conan stories are just historical fiction written in a fantasy setting because Howard had enough of trying to check if his historical stories were accurate or not.They have more in common with something by Walter Scott than the nu-conan image most people are familar that is almost wholly derived from the comics, movies and frazetta's art.
idk, I felt like movie conan isnt far off from a young conan. In the books, we usually see him when he is quite experienced, while to my memory ovie conan just got released from the slavery he was in for most of his adolescence. He still has that sense of iron will, but isnt quite as wise and world worn yet.
>>98254172>that the Conan stories are just historical fictionlol, maybe some of it, but by no means all. A good half of them deals with whatever flavor of weird monster or mage cult. There is a lot of historical fiction elements too, like going to NOT Egypt or NOT Persia or ruling NOT France, but there are also stuff that is setting indistinct. fighting against some sorcerer king or weird creatures that live in ruins that fight the humans who also live in ruins.
>>98254161>because they actually matterno they don't in this context, autist>Howard was a black haired, blue eyed proto-gael.lmao, he was a delusional mistery white meat american with we wuz kangs delusions to cope for being a cog in society (some things never change)He had talent and vision as a writer, sure, and that's what elevates his work (just like Lovecraft).>>98254175Exactly. Movie Conan is an origin story.
>>98254187>A good half of them deals with whatever flavor of weird monster or mage cult.these feature in howards historical fiction as wellsolmon kane is 16th century historical fiction with magic and voodoo
>>98254172It was more.>"here my new (pseudo) historical fantasy featuring X character".>"We cannot publish it, not fantastical enough.">"Ok*rewrites it, to be about Conan, and put a demon in it*">"Better?">"Better."
>>98253725when you watch a movie, do you assume the characters have never talked before in their lives because you didn't see it?
Here..Edumacate urselfs.
>>98246762GURPS Conan is the best, followed by Barbarians of Lemuria.Dont waste your time with the d20 variants they are all trash.
>>98254945>meme chart
>>98247098A fantastic album to pay the price to a witch too. If she sticks with it she is a keeper!
>>98254975Don't about that. I found Conan 2d20 to be very enjoyable although not perfect. Better than Barbarian of Lemuria though I can tell you that.
>>98254175He's younger than movie Conan in the Tower of The Elephant.Real difference is, OG Conan has a REALLY different vibe than revenge than, uh, vaguely Spenglerian movie Conan. It's not a matter of characters (altough...) but the whole true strenght and revenge them is really not REH, even for way more grim protags like Solomon Kane. Which is fine, mind you, but.Also, that is not the hyborian age in the slightest. This is something that I'm not sure Milius wanted to do, but he almost depicts a post-apocalyptic wasteland, not the lush and exotic setting that REH wanted.
>>98254945>when do you want your book seti don't care about that, shit chart
>>98255063Nta, but, while I can see why people like 2d20, I dislike any system that uses GM facing meta points the way that it does. BoL or Savage Worlds work far better for what I want to do with S&S.
>>98256160Easier and cheaper to film in scrubland, I'd guess.
>>98246762>Finally watched Conan the Barbarian for the first time>/tg/'s for this feel?Mechanically, you want a fantasy system with low power creep and less dependence on magic. OSR games are better at this than 5e but even then I think it's too much. Personally, I use Sword of Cepheus and it really give that 80s S&S feel.That said, it's more about world building and the adventure offered that the mechanics of they system.
>>98256474I mean, yes, but was talking about the result. Even the cities look... scrawny
Feels like it could be a BRP game imo
>>98246762>Ctrl+F gives nothing/tg/ truly is deadAnywwayRed Sonja, both versions.Deathstalker, all movies.
>>98256907People moved over /co/
>>98253633Critics at the time complained about how the movie took itself too seriously when they expected a campy "self aware" flick. And I'm grateful for that. The Nietzsche quote at the start, the operatic music and scenes, the sheer weight and gravitas the movie carries itself with even when it has goofy props or lines. Fuck camp, sometimes being "pretentious" is absolutely more respectable. Anyone who thinks the movie is meaningless probably just doesn't agree with the message. And I don't entirely, but it definitely is saying something.
>>98253633also the nudity is better in the first moviei'm not even a goonerbut unapologetic erotism is based
>>98252325Also >domestic violence
