Reason one: DnD brainrot limits settings variety. Do you want western steampunk? Stone Age? Or even space techno fantasy? Fuck you, we're not doing this here, all settings should replicate DnD aesthetic. And yes, I know you should just stop playing DnD, but the problem is that it's NOT THAT EASY, finding a group for a niche system is mission impossible in the modern world. And too many retards are trying to replicate DnD, it's a whole other can of worms. In any case, I hate how influential DnD is, too many idiots blindly follow the trends set by this trash and don't want to hear anything about alternatives.
>contrarian imagines there's not enough forced negativity on this boardLetting people like you think that was the nature of this place was such a fucking mistake.You having no sense of humor is the worst of it.
>>98248946>Do you want western steampunk? Stone Age? Or even space techno fantasy? Fuck you, we're not doing this hereNot everything is forgotten realms. Anyway tell me how you managed to convert D&D players into a better system. I too wanna make people stop playing 5e and any and all experience and examples are useful.
>>98248960>how you managed to convert D&D players into a better systemI didn't. Actually, I have a strong urge right now to just cut the group off and be done with the hobby.
>>98248946I play games with my friends, we play all kinds of different systems. If you weren't a friendless, annoying retard who had to resort to either randos, or online games, you'd be able to play other games as well
>>98248984>I refuse to fix itThen fuckoff and don't come back. Cry somewhere else.
>>98248960>Hey guys, want to try a game of Barbarians of Lemuria? It's fun.>OK DM, sounds good!If this doesn't work for your group, you need to find better people.
>>98248960Nta butRun one shotsRun games in a different genre than bog standard heroic fantasyYour one shots should be a good "vertical slice" of what's fun about the system, as also teach the systemBuild pregenerated characters for said one shots.Do not expect the players to do *any* work for these one shots. You are going to hold their hands through the rules bits of the game. This is how you introduce other games to people.
>>98249056You can't fix the unfixable.
>>98249093True, why switch from 5e, it is the world’s greatest roleplaying game
I switched my group from D&D to Deathwatch a decade ago and rarely ever consider switch back. The turns play faster, the roleplaying is more predictable and I've never had a PC die mid session even when Ive designed the most deadly encounters that were plausible.
>>98249089And for dnd retards it will be too much to learn. And anyway, why bother when you can convert it into dnd? Yes, that was the moment when I had enough.
>>98249103You've never even tried. You attempted to do a game pitch, did a bad job, and gave up immediately.
>>98249102>the roleplaying is more predictable and I've never had a PC die mid session even when Ive designed the most deadly encounters that were plausible.this sounds like a normal 5e campaign though
>>98249131My attempt was over before it even began. You can't do anything if people don't want to listen.
>>98249148Never played 5e. I switch from WotC to FFGs during 4e. From what I've gathered on this site is the 5e is like a finer tuned version of 3.5 which I had several nightmares while DMing.
>>98249182>5e is like a finer tuned version of 3.5
>>98248946>Friendless playoid endlessly complains that he can't find a DM that is willing to run his extremely specific and niche campaign idea
>>98249102I've had way more fun playing Death Watch than any other game. As my group's forever GM it is way easier to plan a session when you don't have to worry about a Wizard or Cleric having a few spells that can completely break the narrative.
>>98248946>finding a group for a niche system is mission impossible in the modern world.Actually, it's easier than ever before. You have the whole of the internet. You just don't like the people playing those niche systems.Me, I play with my friends, not only do I have people who run and play completely fanmade TTRPGs that are nothing like D&D, but a lot of those are ones I've made. That's right, my friends are either running or about to start running my stuff. See, when you find friends who enjoy what you do, you can very easily play niche games. The issue is you don't have any friends! And you're too insufferable to make any!
>>98249182>5e is like a finer tuned version of 3.5if by fine tuning you mean lobotomy, then yes.
It was extremely easy for me to move on from D&D, all I had to do was realize it isn't a game, and that all the things retards celebrate D&D for aren't actually written in its pages.What people enjoy "about D&D" is just what they've come up with themselves, whether it's a house rule discussed before the session, or an arbitration made mid-session.When you realize you can make your games however you want, you will realize you don't need D&D at all.
>>98248984I'd say >do it faggot but that would just mean you'd still come here and mouth off even more nogames bullshit.
>>98249172>I've done nothing, and it doesn't work! Waaaaah! Waaaaaah! Waaaaaah!
Lessers fear and hate the greatest
>>98248946Not enough people talk about how abysmally dogshit the subclass system is.
>>98250391I think about this a lot, the subclass system not only forces you to choose a subclass or be disadvantages (when previously in 3.5 and earlier, prestige classes were an option which you usually picked after progressing in a main class), but also implies that extremely specific archetypes exist in the setting just as frequently as each other, and are on equal levels of power (as opposed to 3.x subclasses which can be given different strengths due to having different requirements). The subclass system also means that you can't have disadvantages for joining a class or requirements for a class at all, since the classes are supposed to be symmetric fantasy superheroes. Previous editions (and expansions like Arduin) had classes like alchemists, necromancers who permanently summon minions, inventors, assassins who actually do assassin things like using poison, and classes which used resources that weren't abstract daily charges.
>>98248960>Wait for the inevitable DM burnout>Immediately offer to run a game, but state it's a different system (but it isn't gonna be a problem, because it's easy to learn)That's it.
>>98249102>I've never had a PC die mid session even when Ive designed the most deadly encounters that were plausible.That's not a good thing bro
>>982489461. For an IP that worships its sacred cows it has a grave yard of material they leave to rot out in the open.2. For an IP that leans into it's multi-versal kitchen sink it doesn't really reflect in it's base material which infers that you are using Forgotten Realms as your primary setting.3. For a system that wants to keep things simple they over bloat the magic users and under-sells the martial characters in terms of variety and systems to use with either/or.
>>98249256>railroadingWhy are you so bad at DMing
>>98249102You sound like you're trying to sell people on the system because it's so great, then you go and write something that tells everyone the system is broken>I've never had a PC die mid session even when Ive designed the most deadly encounters that were plausible
>>98249102>FF 40k RPG>no one dies
>>98248959FPBP if they at least had bants it would be entertaining
For the 5e players that don't know the rules, you can make them play whatever game you want them to play.For the 5e players that know the rules, you give them a new rule book. Since they know the rules they probably are literate.Also OP is your complaint just that the most popular system isn't a generic one? That other games attempt to emulate the biggest one? That would happen even if the biggest game was a starwars one, CoC, any WoD, or Cyberpunk.5e has flaws, the fact you're a retard isn't one of them.
>>98252798The 5e "players" who know "the rules" know that the DM gets to do whatever he wants because of rule 0, and if they have a problem with it they can find a new table.
>>98248946Ok keep screaming into the void like you're doing right now. Surely that will fix your problem.
>>98251079I also hate the subclass system because you get to make like 3 substantial choices over the course of levelling up, and 1 of those is your subclass. You can't just pick and choose level appropriate features, you're just locked into one path for the entire game, especially if the DM doesn't allow multiclassing.On a similar note, any DM who doesn't allow multiclassing is a total fucking idiot and a coward. Subclasses aren't exactly balanced either, with some being absolute shit and others outranking the rest by no small margin. Also the fact that rogues get basically nothing until level 9 when 90% of dnd campaigns terminate around level 8, means that if you've played one rogue you've played them all. It's a mind-bogglingly stupid decision and is my biggest put-off from even playing it, forget about running it.
>>98254552Also tying shit like feats to CLASS level instead of character level is retarded, as is replacing actual class features with feats.
>>98254552>especially if the DM doesn't allow multiclassing.Never happens, and is the cause of your issues. You can absolutely pick 6 classes with 6 subclasses and get up to lvl.3 benefits of each one, and level one of them up to lvl.5 for multi-attack if you really wanted to.
>>98248946I'm running three non dnd games right now.
>>98248946>space techno fantasyi'd want to play space techno fantasy. the problem is there is a huge lack of systems in that space. it's all SWN, starfinder and traveller. And SWN, starfinder are just dnd and traveller is hard sci-fi. Next they bring out some dnd 5e space opera thing and that's just dnd again.at this point i probably need to go with a generic or make one myself. which is pretty hard considering all my group ever plays is dnd
>>98248946'S why I run Pathfinder in both iterations, depending on what I'm running. GURPS if I beed something more modular. Lords of Gossamer and Shadowe for theater kid power junkie time, and Nightlife for ober the top gore and monsters against the world games. Never found a good scifi system that was worth investing in yet, though space fantasy works moderately well in Starfinder 2e so far. Probably use GURPS for cyberpunk and Shadowrun (actual Shadowrun is a nightmare with spirit summons and miniguns being the end all of any combats). This doesn't even cover half of what I have run or played.Suck it up bitches, and learn a new system or three..
>>98254881Swn isn't just d&d, and Traveller isn't hard sci-fi. Maybe try reading some of the systems instead of making baseless assumptions?
>>98248946Most gaming groups IRL have one real GM. He decides what they play. The player serfs can either play it or go gameless. That's reality.So either man up and run the games you want and cockslap your playerscum into line or fuck off and play vidya.
>>98254915Yep. When a playoid describes what game they want to play I always reply with:>That sound great! When do you think you will be able to start running that game? I am interested in playing it.And they just shut up and eat the slop I serve them.
>>98248946>Best reason to love D&D, any edition.It makes gameless faggots like you seethe
>>98248959Fippy bippy, mescaline trippy
>>98254915yeah totally
>>98254911Pathfinder is just D&D for contrarian hipster faggots. Shitter of the Doo-Doo lord is just D&D for contrarian edgelord faggots.
>>98257013So it's for D&D players from before 2015? Wonder how they got that market.
>>98257789No, Pathfinder 1e is just a more retarded version of 3.5, 2e is just a more retarded version of 1e, and shitter of the doo-doo lord is just a bad game for scat fetishists. The point is that none of them are good. They're all D&D. TSR and OSR are D&D. It's all D&D and acting like your flavor is better because it isn't 5e means you're a blind retard.
>>98248946Well, to be fair. Most people who play TTRPG tend to be tourists not real players. They barely learn how to play 5e and rather keep that system over learning new shit. That's like saying anyone who plays any games are gamers and should be seen as the same. From the fat facebook wine aunt who only play candy crush on their phone to the guy with a 4k PC with 300 Steam games. They're not the same. Till TTRPG lose their shine from crit. role and all. We have tourist flooding the place. This is why you gatekeep or you are overrun but NPCs and lose control. We see it happen to many games especially the ones that get big and end up tanking cause of following the wrong groups.
