Extra emphasis on DO NOT ENGAGE WITH THE TROLLS.
They're going to come here and try flooding it like they feel they have to, but do not reply directly to them. Do not fall for their bait, all they post is lies.

I've been enjoying OSE, to a degree that I think it's a pretty easy recommendation for people just curious about OSR games and have no experience with them.

But, I was wondering if there's something much more on the lite side of things that's worth recommending for people who even OSE seems daunting for.

>>98252502
OSR is only about 1e.

>>98252527
OSE is about as rules light as you get without going into ultra-light NuSR territory. If OSE is daunting, I recommend making players pre-gens and not introducing all the mechanics at once. If that's still too much, your best bet is probably Knave.

>>98252527
Honestly, just get the original Moldvay Basic (the B in B/X, which is what OSE is based on). Anybody can grok the content in that book easily.

>>98252496
>What do you think of this new OP copypasta?
It should say in the subject and OP text that this is a general. You also totally bungled this OP and didn't even give the thread a subject, apparently.

Finally, I don't like that you're using a fake definition of OSR that you got off Plebbit.

>>98252538
I kind of just wanted a fail safe in case I end up trying to run the game with some kids from the tik-tok generation. I think OSE is pretty easy and clear as far as games go, but I want some other options in my back pocket in case they're needed. I'll have to check out Knave.

>>98252546
I think OSE is easier to read through than B/X. Though, that might just be subjective.

>>98252563
>It should say in the subject and OP text that this is a general. You also totally bungled this OP and didn't even give the thread a subject, apparently.
Fair enough. I am not often having a gay enough moment to be an OP, so I'm out of practice.

>Finally, I don't like that you're using a fake definition of OSR that you got off Plebbit.
I'm using the definition I offered here >>98252496
in the last thread, just with my wordy bastardese trimmed down as much as I could manage.

>>98252576
>I think OSE is easier to read through than B/X. Though, that might just be subjective.
It is for someone familiar with the system, but people often tell me it's not good to learn the game from. Up to you though. Good luck with it.

>>98252588
Ignore the trolls, do not engage with them.

To be even more clear, I was trying to make it obvious that games that belong in this thread (as opposed to in /osrg/ with their much narrower definition) must either
>be based on Gygax-era D&D's mechanics
>be based on a WotC SRD and trying to recreate the experience of playing Gygax-era D&D (Castles & Crusades and Shadowdark)
>not 3e or later WotC D&D themselves
>not percentile systems or d6 systems or any other RPG not based on D&D
>not card games
>not tag or catch
I jsut didn't want to have to say all of that specifically, because who wants a novella as their OP? Basically, I want to define fishfag out of this thread explicitly and concisely.

>>98252527

Depending on your taste, I'd say either Knave 1.0 or Wight-Box 2.0.

>>98252527
Into the Odd and its endless derivatives like Cairn or Mouseritter
those are great for oneshots/cons but also those tables who have little time to spare and want to get maximum of actual game and minimal nonsense from that little time they have

How do you properly advertise online games? Im trying to run Stonehell but struggling to get players.

>>98252605
>Basically, I want to define fishfag out of this thread explicitly and concisely.
Admirable, but to actually achieve this you need to: *) forbid complaining about /osrg/; *) declare 2e off-topic.

>>98253270
You need to be aggressive without being annoying, remind people it exists and get visibility.

>>98252496
No matter how we alter the OP, the 2 sides of the endless troll war are gonna invade and flood these threads. What I used half a dozen threads ago was

>>Welcome to Open OSR.This thread is for open OSR discussions. For the purpose of this thread OSR is defined as an emulation of pre-3e D&D either with mechanics, style or even vibe. Including old-school D&D, retroclones, and broader OSR-adjacent and retro games.

And the trolls took that as some kind of attack. Which means no matter what we are getting flooded with trolls.

>>98252527
OSE is pretty light, but if you want something lighter, you are pushing into NSR, something like Cairn, Mausritter, Into the Odd or Mork Borg.

>>98253270
What are you running it on? Roll20 has a few ways to LFG, the discord for the system you are using will have active LFG sections as well.

>>98253270
what have you tried already?
>choose a system, original, retroclone whatever
>join online communities built around that specific system (discord, forums etc)
>post lfp and farm replies from anons who are literally starving for games
you might want to start with a short adventure though
people are not really keen on starting lengthy campaigns with some rando
or maybe advertise it as an open table

if you are good players will stay

I am going to advise people to use a filter on these threads. A anon suggested it two threads back and I just started using one. Fuck does it make these threads more readable and less toxic.

Just filter F*shf*g and A*KS and damn that cut out most of the BS

>>98253919
learn to read maybe?
the "broadly" quote demonstrates the general was never strictly about first decade D&D only

The filters work Y'all! I am seeing 44 out of 70 messages. Highly recommended for folks who want to actually talk games.

>>98253919
>>98253956
Also the material from the 80s and 90s is all fully compatible with first-decade D&D. Also there is supposed to be a difference between “off-topic” and “banned”, banning the discussion of other editions is just fucking weird even in situations where the mechanics are totally different, even in threads that are about specific editions (which the OSR thread never was until recently), it’s hard to even count the ways in which these people are stupid and wrong.

>>98253304
Unfortunately, not spelling out that the game has to be connected to Gygax-era D&D or derived systems (along with what is meant by derived systems), and which retroclones (specifically, of Gygax-era D&D) leaves it open to interpretation enough for idiots like fishfag to claim FASERIP is OSR.

>>98253360
2e is on topic for this thread, but not /osrg/. This thread doesn't have the same definition of OSR as /osrg/, and never has had, so while 2e IS NOT OSR, it is, reasonably speaking, a less than faithful "retroclone" of 1e (albeit one that encourages Hickmanfag shit and other things you and I don't like). It is thus on topic here.

So, again, to recap, see this post in the last thread >>98252456

>>98254540
I think i get what you're trying to do now.

You'rw trying to reinforce "2e is off-topic in the /osrg/" and "2e is not OSR" while hijacking the Open OSR threads from the people who were originally making them

What a colossal piece of shit you are.

>>98254616
>having to take my own medicine sucks!
You brought all this on yourself, fishfag.

>>98254632
2e is OSR and always has been and always will be. If your plan is to just keep hijacking threads, people will just keep making new ones. And, we learn just how fucked up you are in the process.

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>>98254640
It's not thread hijacking. In the end, it's you that is trying to alter what the threads are about by pretending that words mean something other than what they mean. This is just explicitly stating the definitions that were always understood and that you desperately want to change.

Get fucked.

>>98254655
>I wouldn't call 2e a "retroclone"
Fair enough. I was just using that term to illustrate it's position: not OSR, but as much "in" for this thread as Mork Borg or something like that.

>>98254616
You didn't get b& when that thread purge happened just now? Not for me to question the mods, but I have to admit that surprises me.

>>98254716
And that's why you thought it was neccesary to hijack the new OSR threads. Very logical.

I personally haven't made any threads in a long while, but I think it may be time to try something more direct if your whole plan is having a purist thread plus turning any other OSR thread into a supplementary troll thread.

>>98254655
>Also I wouldn't call 2e a "retroclone", that's unnecessarily confusing. It was never meant to be a retroclone, but a substitute for 1e.
Anon clearly used that as an illustration: if we *consider* 2e *in terms of* a retroclone, it's obvious that it would then be kinda shitty but still relevant, like BFRPG for example.

>>98254640
In fact, 2e is not OSR, no. That's where you went wrong, that's where the core mistake is.

>>98252496
I said last thread I'd present an alternate OP to get feedback on. Might be a bit long winded, but I'm trying to be comprehensive here.

>>98255254
"Welcome to Open OSR. This thread is for open OSR and OSR related discussion, including old-school D&D, retroclones of old-school D&D, NSR/NuSR games, and other games meant to emulate old-school D&D.

This thread is not for debating the definition of "OSR". This thread is also not for posting about all old RPG's. Please use other threads for those purposes.

Discussion on including rules and design principles taken from and influenced by old school D&D in games that do not typically include such things is acceptable.

There is a general for those who prefer OSR games strictly inspired by the first decade D&D here [insert current /osrg/ here]

Please do not engage with trolls.

>What is old-school D&D?
This refers to earlier versions of Dungeons and Dragons published by TSR. These systems are oriented around dungeon exploration, logistical challenge, and character advancement through the acquisition of treasure. Their stat blocks and content are compatible with each other. Examples include Original Dungeons and Dragons, Basic and Expert D&D, Advanced Dungeons and Dragons 1st Edition, and AD&D 2nd Edition.

> What are retroclones?
These are game systems based on older versions of Dungeons and Dragons using an open license. They are created with varying intents, from clearer layout to platforms for publishing new adventures for old rule systems. Their stat blocks and content are compatible with old school D&D systems. Examples include Old School Essentials (OSE), OSRIC, and Lamentations of the Flame Princess (LotFP).

>What is NSR/NuSR?
New School Revolution games are games that take influence from old-school D&D and its retroclones. These games emphasize dungeon exploration and treasure acquisition, but they forego outright mechanical compatibility with old-school D&D. They are often (but not necessarily) rules light. Examples include Shadowdark, Mork Bork, Troika, and Worlds Without Number.


Previous thread [insert previous thread here]"

>>98255266
As soon as you try to claim both the mantle of OSR and games including 1st edition and B/X discussion and retroclones, all of which are already covered by /osrg and have been for a decade, there's going to be trouble. I can't see any way around it. Thread splits just don't work on /tg unless they carve out an entirely separate space. There's a reason there's only one 5th general and battletech general and 40k general and star wars general and so on. Even the various MtG generals are careful to dedicate themselves to entirely separate play types, even if there's some natural overlap within everyday discussion.

>>98255266
>Examples include AD&D 2nd Edition
Wrong.

>>98255325
This. Actively staking out your turf as covering the topic of an already-established general simply isn't a stable way to create a new one. There's going to be constant fighting over it.

Unable to argue, the trolls are forced into bad faith overdrive.

I'm screencapping the "there's no OSR community" double posts for later usage in case anyone needs an explanation of just how dumb the trolls are, particularly because it's now going to have to become part of their cope from now on.

>>98255266
nusr fag here
>These games emphasize dungeon exploration and treasure acquisition,
isn't true, lots don't care about treasure at all like the classic gameplay loop

>>98255794
Oh no, not sceeencaps! Kek, you keep saying this shit like it's some ominous threat and then never post any of the stuff you claim to be capping anyway. Instead of making these ineffectual threads you should just kill yourself, Fishfag.

>>98255859
Here's me extending some kindness.
Do you want to retract your statement about there being no OSR community? Or will you double down on it?
If you just admit you spoke in haste...

...twice...

...then we can act like mature adults and I'll even have to admit that you don't always act in bad faith.

>>98255892
>Just do what I want or else there will be consequences
Do you always have to speak like an abuser in a bad b-movie? Is it natural or do you do it intentionally?

Now more importantly; The mainstream OSR community is run by retards and mongrel banqueters.
Why the fuck would anyone care what they think?
And why the flying fuck would anyone care what you think?

>>98255908
>The mainstream OSR community is run by retards and mongrel banqueters.
I guess I'll accept this as a concession that there is an OSR community.
You really have to always be the weirdest little shit about even that though, doncha?
I mean, I guess I can respect you trying to walk the fine line of submitting while not entirely submitting, but being a little shit about it just makes you look petulent.

>>98255922
>Everyone who calls me a retard is the same person
Holy shit, it's Alex Yiik, a man who lives in a world where he and some rando are the only real people in existence.
No wonder you're so fucking insufferable.

>>98255931
Being insufferable is sort of the privilege of being right.

The OSR community, mainstream community if you must, includes people, many people, likely most people, who disagree with your opinions.

You could always just agree to disagree and accept the OSR community as it is and welcome it in full, or you could strike off on your own and create a First Decade Only general so no one would confuse you as an actual OSR general, but you'd rather wear the mask of the community you seem to hate. Probably because "mainstream" OSR actually has a measure of popularity and recognition that you'd like to parasitize off of.

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>>98255895
mans I just want to be able to talk about indi games and homebrew without getting dragged into this bullshit
I know fish, I've seen it, I've seen trolls wind him up with acks stuff too
all you niggers need jesus
I get it, we can never go back, its war all the time in all our hobby spaces now and everyone's on a simultaneous cocktail of 110% irony to deflect but also somehow has to take everything everyone else says 110% srs business but fuck it is garbage and fuck everyone who heaps more garbage on instead of playing games and posting about that

>>98255962
It's really easy to just talk about games and not try to turn every non-/osrg/ OSR thread into a troll thread.
But you don't want that and we all know why, and why you insist on trying to deflect arguments by inventing an imaginary personal nemesis.

You can't play start playing the victim when you go into a thread and get beaten in an argument you started when you're objectively wrong about it.

2e has always been considered an OSR game by the OSR community. If you disagree, there's literally a general that already exists for people like you.

>>98255956
>Being insufferable is sort of the privilege of being right.
Why thank you, but if I wanted your permission I'd beat it out of you.
With that being said
>Hurf, you hate the community that means you hate games
"You hate the Usurper, therefore you hate the Kingdom"
Great logic right there.
Out of interest, are you really such a sheep-being that in your eyes everything is truly by consensus of the herd, or do you just pretend to believe that because you think it gives your horseshit weight?
I'm truly curious to know.

>>98255980
...you're calling Finch a usurper?
...you really sure you want to go that route?

>>98255995
>If I play stupid I won't have to talk about Mongrel Banquet Club
I asked you a question, retard-kun, give a straight answer for once in your pathetic existence.

>>98255962
Man, just make a /todd/, those were cool and the only person who fucked with them was the Dagonite.
Who can and will fuck with you regardless of what you do so just ignore him.

And, right back to bad faith and efforts to distract with meta-bullshit and what not.

I can't even really blame you. The evidence is against you, so arguing in good faith is a guaranteed loss for you.

>>98255979
This literal schizo stuff is the most fucked part desu.
How many people do you think are in this thread?

>The virgin "Gangrape is moral and ethical because 9 out of 10 people think it's just a good, wholesome time" vs the chad "Things have meanings, I don't give a fuck if morons think smoking is awesome and all the cool kids are doing it"
The aggression of Fishfag is the aggression of the sheep when encountering a lion.
It is the hate of the inadequate when faced with someone who isn't.

>>98255892
AYRT and i didn't even make that statement, you ridiculous niggot. For the rest I agree with the other anons: your ridiculous dialogue trying to sound doom-laden and threatening just makes you come off as the most pathetic, comical chuunibyou possible. You're like if that fat kid in Dandadan turned heel.

>>98256067
Don't talk shit too hard anon, he might Naruto-Run at you while screeching

>>98255956
The OSR community consists entirely of people who know 2e is not OSR, Fishfag. If you refuse to accept this that means you reject the OSR and thus, ipso facto, cannot be part of its community.

Now, there are a lot of dregs and hangers-on *claiming* to be part of the OSR community, but they're simply irrelevant scum, the same bandwagoners you get on everything with substance. As such, what they think and believe is irrelevant, or worse than irrelevant.

>>98256044
Ominous?
Giving a second chance to rethink whether the guy who made OSRIC and S&W could be called a usurper?

>>98256072
kek

>>98256143
>ipso facto
(Incidentally, this is Portuguese)

You niggas ever talk about games instead of etymology

>>98256249
not unless they can learn to ignore the faggot who keeps defending the honour of the /osrg/ or whatever they think they're doing.

>>98256249
we try to, but we also have the shitheel called fishfag to deal with since mods told him to fuck off from /osrg/. We're just trying to get rid of him too.

>>98256249
We used to back when we were called TODD, but you and >>98256378 have made it a crusade to derail every single thread.
>>98256791
Keep seething gamelet

>>98256746
You're not gonna fool anyone with that. Your game was up when you showed you're just a falseflagging fag.
Creepyy little shit.

>>98255474
I thought that saying 2e is "old school D&D" rather than OSR might head off all this shit flinging over definition, but guess not lol. I've seen anons in these threads say in the past that just because someone labels 2e "old school" doesn't mean they're qualifying it as "OSR", so I thought that might be OK. Can't say I'm shocked to see them still bitching about it.

>>98255537
That's what I was trying to state without making any claims towards what is and not OSR. Happy to exclude 2e from the list of "old school D&D", as long as it is made clear that discussion of the game is absolutely acceptable in these threads.

>>98255829
OK nice, this is actually actionable feedback about a space that, frankly, I don't know much about. What would you recommend as a better definition for NuSR?

>>98255895
>Fishfag fishfag fishfag
Not that anon, but alright.

>/osrg/ trolls doing ANOTHER hijack attempt

Whelp. Another set of threads they'll bump until they drive everyone real off, and then they abandon to go troll wherever the real people went. Again.

>>98257006
I second this, but only if a list of games not on topic is included.
>Call of Cthulhu
>Runequest
>Marvel Super Heroes
>Star Frontiers
>all editions of WotC D&D
>board games, card games, etc

You know who I am thinking of when I say this.

>>98257011
Not a bad idea actually. I still like the idea of giving operating definitions for the purpose of this thread, but it's not like I need to give examples for every category.

>>98257034
Woops meant to respond to these two anons >>98257006
>>98257026

>>98256986
am that anon but >>98257006 has the right of it
nusr can get to the point its 'inspired' by old school dnd the way cheesewiz is inspired by cheese.
not nearly as clean a connection as some of the other shit
even things like >>98257026 is worried about could be fine if whoever's posting about them is trying to bring the ideas in and relate them to osr play in ways they can explain, its the stress test
>does it have anything to do with playing the game or is it just a cool kids club name
and honestly if someone had a good outline of how their WoD game is about exploration and problem solving in a reactive sandbox like world where combat was uncertain, prizes of some sort like antediluvian artifacts or whathave you with factions and stuff I'd suggest they check out DMT and hope they have a good game

>>98257061
Yeah, I'm also OK with questions about how to use an unusual system for the sort of sandbox more typically associated with old school D&D, I think there's actually a lot of interesting game design discussion to be had in that topic.

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Talking about games themselves, how do y'all feel about the new edition of OSRIC? I started with 2e, and never played 1e because honestly, reading Gygax's prose isn't my jam. Is learning and playing '1e' via OSRIC 'close enough'?

And yes, I know, the 1e DMG is something everyone should read. I will some day.

>>98257061
I ran a session of V:tM back in the day where the characters ended up in what was essentially a dungeon crawl through ossuary catacombs and into a hidden dungeon that was discovered in Romania. It was pretty good actually, despite the clunky system for doing that kind of thing.

>>98257109
I feel oddly disgusted by you, like an underlying aspect of who you are is inherently unlikable.

It's not even about any of the games you mentioned or your "hot take" on Gygax's prose, which is perfectly fair. Just something about you seems fake and disagreeable, if that makes sense.

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>>98257129
Eh, it's the internet. I'm not a real person anyway. I'm made of cups.

>>98257067
Used yours as a basis, introduced some of my things own stuff. I do think specifying "old school D&D" is accepted here is helpful, but I could be convinced otherwise. I do also want to include opportunity for discussion on other games if they include these sorts of design principles, because I've found such discussions to be very interesting in the past.

>Welcome to Open OSR. This thread is for open discussions of old school D&D and OSR games as well as OSR-adjacent, retroclones, and NuSR games, including but not limited to:
>OD&D, B/X, BECMI, AD&D 1e, AD&D 2e, For Gold & Glory, Shadowdark, Lamentations of the Flame Princess, Into the Odd, Mausritter, Cairn, Mörk Borg, DCC, Mothership, Knave, Troika!, White Hack, Black Hack, and Castles & Crusades.

>This thread is not for posting about all old RPG's or dungeon crawlers. Games that should be in their own threads in most cases include, but are not limited to:
>Call of Cthulhu, Runequest, Marvel Super Heroes, Star Frontiers, all editions of WotC D&D, dungeon crawler board games, dungeon crawler card games

>Discussions on how to introduce rules and design principles taken from and influenced by old school D&D, OSR, and OSR-Adjacent games in games that do not typically include such things are welcome.

>Discussions about what "OSR" means are unwelcome. You can talk about all OSR and OSR-Adjacent games without distinction here, so it doesn't matter.

>There is a general for those who prefer OSR games strictly inspired by the first decade D&D here [LINK]

>Meta discussions of what goes on in other threads are strictly off-topic. We're not at war with anybody and only want to talk about games.

>Please do not engage with trolls.

>Previous thread [LINK]"

>>98257067
this seems good
>>98257100
>>98257118
yeah I think a lot of cool stuff can come from mixing together systems if done well, or even a bit by accident desu

>>98257109
Rancourt is a bit autistic for me a lot of the time, but his writing on OSRIC 3 (https://rancourt.substack.com/p/ad-and-d-1e-osric-30-changelog) has been very solid. I'd like to give OSRIC 3 because I have very negligible 1e experience, and what I have tried running in the past just left me feeling frustrated from parsing all that Gygaxian jargon. However, those changes to Fly, Web, and the XP acquisition changes especially do strike me as significant enough to want to revert.

>>98257109
>how do y'all feel about the new edition of OSRIC
Tepid.
I have been constantly confused about new editions of retroclones and why the house rules shifted from blogs and zines to full books.
A summary of the differences would be useful and there might be something neat there to see but I'm ill inclined to pour through the whole thing to find out.

>>98257161
Meant to include yours because you're right, it's better. My mistake.

>Welcome to Open OSR. This thread is for open discussions of old school D&D and OSR games as well as OSR-adjacent, retroclones, and NuSR games, including but not limited to:
>OD&D, B/X, BECMI, AD&D 1e, AD&D 2e, For Gold & Glory, Shadowdark, Lamentations of the Flame Princess, Into the Odd, Mausritter, Cairn, Mörk Borg, DCC, Mothership, Knave, Troika!, White Hack, Black Hack, and Castles & Crusades.

>This thread is not for posting about all old RPG's or dungeon crawlers. Games that should be in their own threads in most cases include, but are not limited to:
>Call of Cthulhu, Runequest, Marvel Super Heroes, Star Frontiers, all editions of WotC D&D, dungeon crawler board games, dungeon crawler card games

>Discussions on how to introduce rules and design principles taken from and influenced by old school D&D, OSR, and OSR-Adjacent games in games that do not typically include such things are welcome.

>Discussions about what "OSR" means are unwelcome. You can talk about all OSR and OSR-Adjacent games without distinction here, so it doesn't matter.

>There is a general for those who want to talk about games strictly inspired by first decade D&D, it can be found here [LINK]

>Meta discussions of what goes on in other threads are strictly off-topic. We're not at war with anybody and only want to talk about games.

>Please do not engage with trolls.

>Previous thread [LINK]

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>>98257164
>I have been constantly confused about new editions of retroclones and why the house rules shifted from blogs and zines to full books.
pic related

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Oi. I just realized thanks to a comment in /cape/ that I have had Open OSR on all my posts since I made this thread yesterday. I appear to have herped so hard I derped.

>>98257019
>anyone who doesn't let me shitpost freely and lie about /osrg/ is a troll hijacker
>it's definitely not that I'm so obnoxious that everyone hates me

>>98257166
A bit much, but I can't blame you for being so soft. I'm curious to see if the trolls will still figure out a way to somehow be offended by this or to otherwise ruin the thread. I feel like I can guess what they're going to do.

>>98257166
Its wordy but I think covers enough it works. Only one way to find out.

>>98257166
Lol were not using your word soup that's trying to be /todd/ in all but name.

>>98257067 is better because it's shorter.
>>98257145 is unnecessarily wordswordswords.

>>98257599
Kill yourself.

>>98257161
>there's OSR games that are NOT strictly inspired by the first decade.
Because they're are? The OSR is not JUST first decade dnd. I reject your personal definition.

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>Haven't uploaded a single post on my blog since Feburary
>Multiple all time peaks every month by AI data-scalper bots
Extremely grim.

What’s your favorite hexcrawl?

Isn't this thread just a 2e general in practice?
If you want to talk about OSR, you can go to the /osrg/. if you specifically want to talk about 2e, why call this thread OSR?

>>98256815
>but you
That was my first and only post in this thread
I don't care about your arguments, I'm asking why these threads are always incomprehensible, about the same three arguments, and not games

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>>98258232
Don't know if its my favourite but I rather like Gongburg. Its too small and needs more hexes around it to build out to a 10x10 or so but something about the art, tone and Fallen Empire setting is very appealing to me.
I've got a few I like that I made, I think the old Youn-Suin one is my favourite of those, its enough varied terrain and exotic orient that came together the best when building and playing even if there were issues with encounter frequency in the haunted jungle part of that book.
Haven't run Times That Fry Men's Soul yet but it looks great, just need to find the right group that can do historical fantasy.

>>98258610
>Isn't this thread just a 2e general in practice?
No one actually talks about 2nd ed, especially the anons who really want it to be osr.
Having a place they can hypothetically do that seems like the most hopeful way to have them shut the fuck up about it so everyone else can go back to posting about games they actually play.

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On hexcrawls, I was finally getting to looking at mythic Bastionland, with the rough idea of using it for The Valley of Flowers.
The hexcrawl creation rules and travel seem a bit sparse even for nusr stuff, has anyone here played this or tried making one of these?

>>98258979
I'm still waiting to get on Goblin Punch's roll then my life is complete lol

I am gonna throw my 2 cents in on the Open OSR wording. I am the one who made the first Open OSR threads, I still have the template on my Google docs.

I like a simpler OP personality, I don't see a needs to list a dozen games, cut out games and pussyfoot around the fact 2e is an OSR game to appease trolls. I like some of the wording suggested.So when I make threads I will be using this, the hijackers will do what they want.

>>Welcome to Open OSR. This thread is for open OSR discussions of TSR-era D&D, retroclones, neoclones and broader OSR-adjacent and retro games.

>>Discussions about what "OSR" means are unwelcome. Discussion of if 2e is OSR is also unwelcome and off topic .You can talk about all OSR and OSR-Adjacent games without distinction here, so it doesn't matter.

>>There is a general for those who want to talk about games strictly inspired by first decade D&D. If that is your preference, you can find that here: it can be found here [LINK]

>>Meta discussions of what goes on in other threads are strictly off-topic. We're not at war with anybody and only want to talk about games.

>>Please do not engage with trolls.

>>Previous thread [LINK]

I already put an olive branch in the OPs. They are gonna troll, they are gonna troll.

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>>98259638
fishfag, nobody cares about your two cents.

>>98259638
>We're not at war with anybody and only want to talk about games.
This is a weird line. It basically begs the question "wait, who are you NOT supposed to be at war with?" It might be better to leave it out, especially since the rest already says you don't want conflict with anybody.
To be absolutely honest though, that's me trying to be diplomatic and trying to reduce conflict, but it might not actually help do that. I can't help but be biased because I think troll-appeasement has primarily been forced by false-flagging trolls and is generally a losing strategy, and the only reason I even want to see anyone try to appease the trolls is because it'd be good to demonstrate (for the tenth+ time) what happens when someone tries.
If you genuinely want to try the route of appeasement again, good luck.

>>98259638
>2e is an OSR game
False

>>98259740
I don't really care about "appeasement", I care about clarity. We've had some anons come in here asking beginner questions, and I'd like to facilitate that. I also want to specify what is and is not acceptable in the thread, though it's not like I expect that to actually be effectively enforced more than occassionally. The trolls are going to troll regardless. Even if fishfag fucks off, it would be neglibly easy to imitate him to justify further shitflinging on the false basis of "Wawawa somebody in a different thread is saying things I don't agree with!" If you act like anyone saying something you disagree with as valid basis for shitting up a thread, then it's neglibly easy to false flag if you just want to keep trolling.


I just want to be able to talk about mechanics from 2e, DCC, ACKS, and LotFP all in the same thread without having some guy come shitting down my throat about some of those games not being OSR. I'd only be OK with /todd/ were it not for the fact that nobody knows what the fuck "/todd/" even means except for people already involved with this mess. It's really about whatever facilitates a more active thread where I can talk about all the games I want to.

>>98259638
>looks at smoldering ruins of a dozen-plus threads
>I don't see a need to... pussyfoot around the fact 2e is an OSR game
It's possible, just possible, that you're blind as a bat.

Oh hey, the thread got cleaned up!

>>98259740
That's fair. I don't think trying to appease them works, but as you say it's kinda redundant. I'll consider removing it. Thank ya.

>>98259952
I have no control over the trolls man, it's clear they are under protection of the Jannies at this point. They are gonna troll any threat they perceive as a threat to their alt history ideology.

I advise installing filters. It removes a massive amount of troll posts.

>>98260109
How many posts was it, as with the filter I am seeing 73 out of 105

>>98253742
First off, that was my OP, not yours. I don't know who you are but I can screen shot my long list of slow changes to the OP.

The trolls did in fact attack it though.

>>98259901
You're pretending fishfag is one guy.
That's enough of a reason to think you're a falseflag.
I want OSR discussion, but not all OSR discussion is equal. If I wanted OSR discussion where I had to always agree with trolls or they'd break the meta-discussion-distraction glass and put on a circus of butthurt, I could just go to the /osrg/.
The trolls think people are scared to be called fishfag, but that's really no deterrent to arguing with them, which is why as long as the trolls want to say something debatable outside of their hugbox, they will never have a shortage of fishfags. The unfortunate fallout of this, the meta-discussion circus the trolls perform, would really only stop if everyone (and I mean everyone) knew to ignore the trolls even when they're just saying dumb things without being any more provacative than any other person saying dumb things, and that can really only happen if everyone knew what dumb topics they've decided will trigger their ineffective defense mechanism.

They're like an animal that shits itself to try and discourage predators.

>>98259740
Just to be clear this post
>>98259901
Is not me. He jumped into the thread chain

>>98260137
I think it was about 80 posts. The most recent /osrg/ was also deleted, so I think the mods banned a couple people and deleted all their posts. Or maybe it was one extremely dedicated autist who got got lol

>>98259034
Mythic Bastionland has a soft spot in my heart. I haven't had a chance to play it yet, but I really like its general approach to design.

>>98260223
Fuck off dude. The fact that you immediately get antsy at someone bringing up the possibility of all this "fishfag" crap being a false flag and jump at me for offhandedly mentioning that fishfag might be one guy, is only making me believe in the false flag theory more.

Regardless of it's that's actually what's happening or not, you shit up this thread almost as much as the other guys, and if they wanted to find an excuse to keep trolling the thread, it would be neglibly easy for them to just imitate your posting style. Whatever's happening, you are contributing to the problem.

>>98260119
>it's clear they are under protection of the Jannies at this point

>>98260223
>You're pretending fishfag is one guy.

Hi, fishfag.

>>98260291
Mods often delete one comment and all of those replying to it to stop the drama. To find out which were considered the root of the problem, you have to look for the first ones deleted in the chain. For the most part, those seem to be fishfag's schizo alt histories and conspiracy theories.

>>98260291
I will say be careful on this topic. There is at least one jannie that will warn or ban you for speaking of a certain subject.

>>98260339
Nope, I wasn't in this thread almost at all until a post this morning about the OP

>>98259901
>I just want to be able to talk about mechanics from 2e, DCC, ACKS, and LotFP all in the same thread without having some guy come shitting down my throat about some of those games not being OSR.
Nobody does that, though. In this thread you can talk about those games independently of whether they are OSR or not. Literally all of the shitflinging is started by fishfag attacking /osrg/ and /osrg/ responding in kind.

>Even if fishfag fucks off
We'll cross that bridge when we get there. For the moment he's clearly still here with us and trolling 24/7.

>>98259034
This is one of those games my brain kinda bounces off. Maybe it's too rules light or something as I have tried to read it a few times and I just can't fully grasp it.

It gets hella points for style and concept though

>>98260284
I had a feeling that had to be the case.

>>98260426
That happens a lot here. I do not know if he is the one who hijacked the OP or not. But I have seen someone do this more than once to stoke arguments.

>>98260386
>Nobody does that, though.
Yes they do? Where the hell have you been existing for the past XX years. Not sure why everytime this gets brought up by countless other anons there is always someone to say "nuh uh."

put 2 and 2 together.

>>98260284
>>98260442
To be clear on my end, I was the guy who was the first one to present an altered OP, hence why I was giving feedback.

>>98260469
>it's just one person!!!
>I am being le tricked!
this board really deserves unique ids in the threads just so you crybabies shut up with this tired coping method.

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Interesting ideas I had recently. What OSR system do you think suits Eberron? I know the knee jerk reactions some well get but hear me out. Eberron has a lot of common magic, but it's not really high fantasy. It's more like the late 19th/ early 20th century tech, but with magic.

It's a noir setting, and whole dungeons are a thing it's more Indiana Jones than classic dungeon raiding. There is intrigue between nations and very much colonial exploration 19th century style galore.

I think a more " old school" system could work very well with the vibe it puts off. Doubly so with the new art.

Thoughts?

>>98260575
It's a wild idea. Knee-jerk reaction or not, we're talking about a system born out of "What if I built a setting where 3e's mechanics determined all of the world and its societies." It's hard to find a setting more tied to its system, because it's tied on a philosophical level.

But, it's wild enough to be interesting. The obvious first answer is probably 2e, since there's still some shared DNA between 3e and the AD&D magic system, and 2e just has a greater assortment of spells and the like. The issues, of course, come from all the things that made 2e incompatible with 3e.

BFRPG might actually be a candidate, since it's something of a B/X clone with an injection of 3e, but it definitely leans more towards the former than the latter...

Really, Eberron and 3e work so well together it's an odd idea to seperate them, and just about any system you're comfortable running might serve as a "not as ideal as 3e" system.

>>98260692
There is also "power-scaling" hangups where on one hand Eberron adheres significantly more to the "most people are low level" concept a number of the TSR settings lost to retired PC and module-flagship NPC accretion which is "smoother" with TSR editions but also every landmass but Khorvaire absolutely hammers high-level if not outright Epic bullshittium like it's an MMO and they're all expansion content.

>>98260734
Good thing that AD&D provided rules for playing up to level 100 in the Bloodstone Pass module.
Rules no one should ever use and are absolutely insane though.

>>98260692
Eberron can easily work outside 3e or d&d systems as a whole. It works damned well in savage worlds for example. I don't know what makes 3e more idea except that was its native system.I think the big thing is you need to have a way to do dragon marks.

I think 2e could work, it has psionics and kits could give a way to do meant of the Eberron classes ideas such as the different druids.

>>98260734
Yeah, power scaling outside of Khorvaire can be wild. But it doesn't have to be. Much of it is lower level except set areas.

Aerenal, elf land and normal power unless you go to the city of the Dead. And really if you wanna pick a fight with an entire city of ancient dead that can't be turned, that is on you.

Argonnessen, kinda the same. The outside regions are kinda normal. The inner regions is high level shit dealing with dragons.so I'll give you this one.

Frostfell, can be either. It's anarctica with D&D bullshit.

Sarlona is mostly like Khorvaire, except psionics and not magic. The inspired are often not super high level, they are just in fucking killable.

Xen'drik, well this one goes all the way to epic bullshit for sure. But it doesn't have to

>>98260413
>It gets hella points for style and concept though
I think it has enough style to style-mog lots of other systems.

>>98260978
Style they got in spades.and it seems to have a good amount of hype for it. Which is nice when those out of the box ideas get praised when they work.

>>98260575
Magical Industrial Revolution would be a good resource for this.

>>98261205
I have heard metion of it. That is kinda what Eberron is, but farther along. It's very post WWI vibe. It has trains, airships, elemental powered wagons and ships, mass production and many quality of life improvements. At the earliest it's kinda 1880s.

Thinking about this,maybe 5e had the right way to handle dragon marks. They are races. Which makes sense as each mark can only be taken by a set race. So making them race options makes sense

>>98260137
>How many posts was it
As of this post the thread contains 137 replies according to the counter.
4plebs shows 348 replies.

>>98260575

I went the other direction and just grafted Five Torches Deep onto Eberron instead of the other way around. Worked well.

>>98261366
Damn, that is some heavy pruning.

>>98261495
Oh that could be interesting. How did you do races and dragon marked?

>>98261505
>How did you do races and dragon marked?

I simplified each of the "new" races into copying the stat adjustments of one of the existing 5TD races and then added a text block of the style "you may do <bonus,> you are <weirdness,> you must do <penalty,>" but only because we were playing before the races/origins supplement came out. I'd probably do it much differently now.

For Dragonmarks I just made each mark into a two-feat chain that eligible characters could select at character creation but they didn't get their powers until levels 3 and 7, replacing their normal 5TD feat choices. Way more work than I'd normally put in but it gave me a good opportunity to really sink my teeth into the marks and what I wanted them to be/do/represent under these rules.

>>98261540
That sounds like a good adaptation. I personally enjoy stuff like that. It's fun to play around with. I don't know 5 torches very well, I read it once a few years back. Seems to have an active fan base though

>>98261495
I'm not surprised something 5e based works with Eberron.

>>98261992
NTA, but Eberron can work with a lot of things. The only thing I could see as a stumbling block was dragon marked, and making each a race is an easy adjustment.

>>98260304
I want to like it but its not looking like an actually useful book to run.
There's almost nothing on how to run or use seers at all and they seem like an integral part of every single character that's 75% of the book.

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>>98260413
I don't mind light if it says its light, I've run a lot of Into the Odd, its just this weird space where there's a page of 'rules' on how time works but its almost entirely based on player consensus and no actual numbers to describe what any of the sections of time mean.
I'm okay with things being rules lite but this isn't light, this is a page to say a paragraph. This is bloated compared to what it does.

>>98262356
It's a lite RPG. That page actually has more rules than is actually needed, and seems to be primarily for helping inspire and guide the GM.

Once you understand the core structure of a game, specific rules become little more than the result of a greater formula. You don't need a table that says "an apple and an banana is five, two apples and a banana is 7, three apples and a banana are 9..." and so on for a full page, all you need is "apples are 2, bananas are 3, do the math yourself."

>>98262345
This is one of my issues trying to understand it. It's all character creation and knight of this, knight of that. But very little information for me to grab onto what it is or what to do. I chulk it up to it being to light for me