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>>98254500Ser Soulas' Knightly Review:>>98251247This Tyrant in Rags is a truly terrifying foe, should you meet him in battle. Verily he embodies the dream of war, that a foe capitulates without a true fight. While he keeps his territories in good maintenance, I worry for the soul of his people, as witches are not persecuted. Woe betide those who show any weakness, for he shall find it, like winter's bite. 8.5/10 Eyes glinting in the dark.>>98253076The right and honorable Lord Crusader Orthaar is like a silver blade. Glorious in purpose and exacting in deliverance. Amongst the best of us, he stands as the sharp edge against the malefactors of this world. I raise a (well moderated) glass to him, and drink to his health! 9/10, would crusade again.
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>>98254554Build theme song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCXm517py1s
>>98254570No Tall Men?Guess I'll be going.
>>98254574Is Tok?That better be, few other hornypost like him.
>>98254554I'm glad that this one is having a posting renaissance.>>98254582Iss'Tok actually; it says on the image.
>>98254570So it seems my spores have begun to spread on their own, blooming in a new thread...
>>98254598So it Isn't Tok?
>>98254570What a weird thing to post.>>98254601Iss'Tok.
>>98254570Nota Llmen?Is this elvish or something?
>>98254582>Is Tok?Iss'Tok>>98254601It is Tok.
https://imgchest.com/p/vj4jz25k278>Original Loopers:Puppeteer (MP) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98233149/#98236025Mind Puppeteer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98247451/#98247521Eugenicist (MP) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98233149/#98236324Wodan https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98233149/#98236876Rapeman https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98233149/#98236944Mindstealer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98241449/#98242060>Accidental Loopers:Warlock (MP) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98247451/#98251744Dragon Loli (MP) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98247451/#98248302Voidsoul, Devourer of Time https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98233149/#98236279Cozy Mage (MP) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98233149/#98237234Disinterested Cultist https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98233149/#98237910Controller https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98241449/#98243312Evan & Eva Williams (MP) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98241449/#98247368>Non-Loopers:Chill Dragon (MP) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98233149/#98235642Million Mind Mirror Magician https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98233149/#98235702Silent Menace https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98233149/#98235716Potential Man (MP) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98233149/#98236104Falkrinean Alchemist (MP) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98233149/#98236985Dragon Immortal https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98233149/#98237013Accountant (MP) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98241449/#98243273https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98247451/#98248361The Young Artificer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98247451/#98250396
>>98254599Thread theme: https://youtu.be/mgk8XTe2lEw?list=RDmgk8XTe2lEwI like this song more than ガラスのくつ.
>>98254570N' Ota L'mm N'. I think that's orcish?>>98254612Thank you for clarifying.Curse you for not setting up more who's on first.
>>98254615Last thread's theme was this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlhMJl4-0zQ&list=PLuWd5ggHjddPGG0b2UTPUjDYRmabQEwfU&index=10
>>98254622What an interesting song. A very light rock, with a little grooving guitar riff. I enjoyed that.
>>98254648It plays during a pretty cool fight scene.
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>>98254667How long does the VN take to play through? I'll add it to my list of shit to pirate.
>>98254694Usually under 10 hours; depends on reading speed, obviously. It's short and sweet. Very well written.
>>98254700Shit man, better than another WTW3 game.
>>98254693I relate to this image in so many levels. This is how I feel every time a discussion degrades to name-calling.
>>98254570Kek this really riled up the incels
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>>98254613wawawa. moo.
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>>98254754Such a sad worldview if you believe it to be true. I honestly can only spare pity for people who divide the world in black and white blocks.
>>98254500Sorry guys haven't posted much. My home IP is banned for being a Tor/proxy node. I've got a new job so less time, but quit a game with shitty moderation so more time. Dungeon Delver v3 is huge and gonna take a while but I will try to chip at it each day. Also I keep getting ideas for more CYOAs. Most notably a post apocalyptic roadtrip with an adoptive daughter, based off watching Pragmata's Diana dance
>>98254717What’s the best familia to join?
>>98254751I remember making this because too many woke redditors liked me, and I wanted to weed them out of my fanbase. Reddit got so fucking mad over this CYOA. Still, they didn't remove it, because the mods still liked me back then so I could do pretty much whatever I wanted back then. Only left because of how badly they treated everyone else, pic very realted.Then the mods banned my account after I decided to leave, typical mod behavior.
>>98254819nice to hear of you
>>98254819love ya
>>98254856>Long text saying you're leavingReddit behavior, just quit anonymously.
>>98254856That's the wrong pic, I meant this one, pic realted.>>98254819I'm still sad that you abandoned the galactic overlord CYOA...
>>98254500>honesty>impartiality + decree>fraudsters>judgementSir Manus, the just.Trusted by his people to be true and just. Trust in the state is synonymous with regional stability and prosperity.We shall be a land of great economic power.
>>98254613I find many of the options presented quite appealing for a build, maybe too many, but without more context I don’t feel like I’m making educated decisions based on what I understand of the scenario. If I was dropped into regular slop fantasy I’d be good to go, but with a deadline, other potential loopers, a whole ass original fantasy setting, and an eldritch horror(?) offering me stuff, I feel like I’m just signing myself up for a loss. In fact, I can’t even tell how good the mundane options are because I know fuck all about the setting.
>>98254795Hmm how curious. There are only people who do divide the world into black and white blocks and those who don't. Do you pity yourself?>>98254751>>98254759>>98254767Man, this really was of a specific moment in history. Makes me nostalgic for when I thought this was all about feminism and ignorance and not the intentional collective destruction of the people of the west by their traitorous elite.As it stands, I will take Jeanette, my mansion, the heightened libido and sensitivity, love potion, youth serum for myself and her for age 18.Re-education as the only training.Then rape, spanking, impregnation, objectification, force feeding, Pumping, tickling. Then Sex, free time, and food to round it out.This gives final stat totals of Sanity +1, Perversion 6, Obedience 5, and Will -9.She will understand the error of her ways and we will work to rebuild the heritage population of the west.
>>98254909>There are only people who do divide the world into black and white blocks and those who don't.Never said so; there are people who see nuance, there are people who only see black and white against who they hate and nuance for everyone else, same for who they love. The world is too complicated for binary thought.All you've done so far is see faults in others. Look inward.>Do you pity yourself?I stopped feeling pity for myself.
>>98254909Yes, I really was ahead of my time. My genius is almost frightening, as the CYOA is as relevant today as the day it was made.
>>98254751I remember this one. I'd say it's in the top-10 Tok cyoas. My favourite though was Overpowered Isekai because the balancing is absurd. I still remember the superheroine coomer cyoa he released that was super-hyepd, but bombed because it didn't allow anon to use superpowers for murder.>>98254856I don't bother with reddit for that reason. /tg/ isn't perfect but our jannies at least stay in their lane and don't crack down too hard outside of +100 post off-topic arguments. Hey Tok, have you ever considered making a street-tier cyoa? Your cyoas' power levels tend to be very high, and I'm curious at what you'd do with a much lower ceiling for things.
>>98254822Freya. If you aren’t obsessed with Freya. It is the funniest familia. You’d have 24/7 laughs. Simps and cucks everywhere. All virgins. Freya refuses to sex her boys.
>>98254899Yea, the lack of lore is really bad. It doesn't even explain the angels, the sovereign gate, the keys, and how to exit the loop for non-original loopers. Some of the disciplines, which should really have each of their ranks individually explained, at high rank are also more or less a blank for even those who read the novel because they just aren't shown, e.g. what high rank transformation does is pure headcanon.
>>98254951It's good, but that cultural moment I feel is closing. The gamer aesthetic and terminally online debate culture is being put-down, I feel. When we win, the traitors that put these policies in the place won't be reeducated. They will hang. And as their gender determines, the women will fuck the winners regardless of what their politics were in college. Those women that grew up in that cultural moment will be too used up to be anything else then shrieking heridans.
>>98254613Build ratings are done. Ratings are based on your potential and ability to realize it, how optimized your build is, how risky your situation is, and cool factor.https://pastebin.com/GqrQFw9r
>>98254952> /tg/ isn't perfect but our jannies at least stay in their lane and don't crack down too hard outside of +100 post off-topic arguments.I beg to differ, pic VERY realted.>Have you ever considered making a street-tier cyoa?Can't say I have. As I make CYOAs based on concepts and themes rather than power levels. I never set out to make a CYOA a certain power level, the power level is adjusted to fit the theme. Sell me on a concept/theme that would be great for a street-tier cyoa, and I will consider it.Also I think I have made some street-tier CYOAs like Seven Sexy Sins, Trials of Power, Enslaved, Divinity in Chains and Choose One Option.
>>98254978Why would you have to drop this when I'm driving???
>>98255000Don't text and drive dumbass
>>98254978>mind magic doesn’t do permanent, long-term enslavement very well???
>>98255001I'm not texting I'm on 4chan
>>98255017LOOK AT THE ROAD THERE IS A FUCKING DEER
>>98254978>Warlock>Rating: 6/10Better than average, I'll take it.
Would you date a skeleton? All skeletons kind of look the same… so it’s kind of gay…
>>98255039Skeletons are clean, would you date a girl that is rotting away?
>>98254987>I beg to differ, pic VERY realted.That... is true. They used to be insane but I think they've chilled out somewhat.>I never set out to make a CYOA a certain power level, the power level is adjusted to fit the theme.Right, power level isn't a good word for it. Ambition might be better. Intricate tactical combat for relatively minor stakes. One thing I thought of a while back but didn't follow through beyond a cursory attempt for my lack of skill at the time was a post-apocalyptic context, where there's an alien moon colony that's fallen into disrepair because the wider human civ has had an FTL failure.There's a native jungle ecosystem that's being pushed back by the colony's last remaining AI, the Prometheus system, which is razing it due to programming nobody left alive has the authority to contradict. The player would be the descendant of the original colonists and the cyoa would consist of trying to fight through the AI's defenses to reach the mainframe, and either destroy it, control it, or set it into overdrive. Basically martial arts and primitive blades against weird rusting robots with forcefields fast projectiles can't deal with, but weren't designed for melee combat, so there's an equal footing. Probably throw in some waifus or bros to assemble a gang, and a lot of emphasis on techniques. Are (You) a bad enough dude to get the girl and save the space ecosystem? Very, very niche premise but it stuck with me.
>>98252581>male>Renezzamajor>unusual weapon, martial artsMinor>brutality, deflect and parryHis fighting style is very "boring". Relying on rock solid fundamentals, well timed parries, grappling and punching, and his claymore (which he's strong enough to fucking swing with one arm). However this grounded approach, when compared to the more flamboyant movements of other duelists, has earned him a few fans. His would be considered an "Ace", as he's never switched from it.Persona>stage name: The Brute>villain>cold, creepy>attire: Heavy (full suit of plate)>gold and black>backstory: Mysterious>training: Self taughtThe brute never actually talks when he fights, instead he figured out how to make animal noises (growling and roaring inhumanly). He wears a full suite of black and gold plate armor (helm included, covering his face). His backstory is also mysterious, with the only detail known is that he was once a knight who betrayed his oaths...(the real real life backstory is that he was a real man at arms before becoming a duelist. Its fun, and a way to earn some coin).Sometimes he'll arrive on stage riding a war horse (he's fought on it in some duels).Career>JourneyIn some duels in distant lands, he usually plays the role of an invading, brutish foreigner. He actually didn't adopt any exotic techniques, instead he has *defenses* against these exotic techniques. Its apart of his brick wall persona.>savior of the dayMadamoiselle Melinda was getting mid diffed by the Midnight Stalker, as the Stalker was raising her sword to strike a finishing blow to the fallen madam, The Brute unexpectedly intervened and (in a truly spectacular duel) managed to repel her. Then, he took his sword, knighted her on stage, and left. Why he did this was never revealed.>fierce rivalsAfter the fight with the Midnight Stalker, their duels became something of a regular occurrence. Usually being framed as two apex predators quarreling over prey (the hero) or territory.
>>98254978Hi, maker of young artificer here, i decided against going into the loop cause i knew itd be hell trying to get out of it without dimensionalism and soul magic, i also grabbed ranks in magic instead of more potential cause i wanted to have a basis for the stuff i wanted to learn and craft and stuff, also the spells like mirror image and conjure weapon and soul shield especially, although i guess if this is how were rating builds about, i could just do a child build i guess, i woulda preffered having spell formula, warding, and animation already but, oh well i guessAlso what you mean locked into my specialty and plays it too safe, thats the point of the build, i dont want to go into illegal magics or stuff with high volatility or what have you, nor do i want to be a combat mage, i just wanna live my life, reading in the library in my off time and building whatever magic items or golems i want to, i dont care about the invasion i just wanna have fun and live a slice of life with golems and whatnot, and if someone fucks with me theyre getting a flying sword in the throat and a giant golem fist to the face among other things
>>98254570its overour rejection of physicstranny turned her into a foidonly tok may redeem her now
>>98254978>Little girl dragon 6/10Very nice i have a chance even if pressed for time.>mental effects from being a dragon shifter hurt your ability to make use of black roomsHow exactly? Is it the pride somehow? Or do the black rooms have something weird going on?>One consequence of that is that you have absolutely no answer to Zach or any ability to cooperate with him, and he could easily devastate your entire run.No answer? >Being a child permanently does make you smaller and weaker than you would otherwise be though.Smaller hitbox though!
>>98255085Like I said, a higher potential and ability to realize it plays into your rating.>>98255186Dragons are extremely territorial because they need to live in places with high ambient mana. Even if you aren't subject to the same requirements if you have their instincts it'll be really hard to confine yourself to a small apartment with no ambient mana for months or years.
>>98255262>Dragons are extremely territorial because they need to live in places with high ambient mana. Even if you aren't subject to the same requirements if you have their instincts it'll be really hard to confine yourself to a small apartment with no ambient mana for months or years.Ah i see. Well if nothing else i do have Stable so that should help a little bit. What about Zach though?
>>98255293I guess I'm curious what your plans would be. Your magnitude is too high to easily circumvent his mind/soul safeguards and killing him cuts your loops short.
>>98254978Falkrinian Alchemist here, but its not really that hard for me to protect my knowledge from being stolen since I know I am in the timeloop. I just need to get one of my contacts to confirm that its the timeloop by checking on the spiritual plane and if it is I can just blow a fuck ton of money on protection, changing and boosting my mansions wards, hiring guards, etc. You don't even need to hold the loopers of for long, just long enough so you have time kill yourself so they don't get your secrets. I can probably get some mind blank ring with money. Also get one of those dead man switches like silverlake she was no mind mage so I think it should be achievable with a bit of wards. Really you just need to make it too costly to get to you trough force. If they do it peacefully I am sure I can get a mutually beneficial deal I help them out and they help me out of the loop.
>>98255341>If they do it peacefully I am sure I can get a mutually beneficial dealRobbed
>>98254978>Voidsoul, Devoured by Time>Rating: 0/10 (Dies) Lmao, fair. I know nothing about the setting and just vibing through it. It was a villian build to maximize disruption on the last few loops.
>>98255437this is why you get paranoid and all the other perception buffs then you can notice any shady fucks beforehand. Plus no one is dumb enough to give all of their stuff, you keep the dead mans switch always on so the moment they try to read your mind you just kill yourself.
>>98255315Well right now i can't really formulate a plan as i am mostly unaware of what do i need to get out of the loop (Other than somehow just going and violently tearing my way out with dimensionalism but that seems too hard)I know that Zach is involved on getting out and it will be hard to try to cooperate because dragon shifter.Right now the only thing i can think of is to beat him up but not kill him and force myself into whatever their plan to get out they have otherwise i will waste the loops killing him over and over.Maybe i can somehow exhume some goodness buried behind the whole ass dragon to maybe change over time the whole situation from help behind the threat of mutually assured destruction into a less toxic alliance...This of course hinges on the idea that i of course can set aside enough of my pride away to actually ask for help. Maybe i shouldn't have removed charm from my build prototype. Pain.I do have access to the Cyorian academy library so maybe that implies i can go there and maybe from there maybe build some rapport beforehand? (who am i kidding who is gonna befriend the dragon loli oujo-sama that pushes everyone away?)So, how hard is to tear open a hole in the plane i can somehow sneak through? It's hard to figure things out when i know so little.
>>98255467The setting seems full of traps that you're expected to know going into the CYOA. The CYOA also seems to be full of traps.I will choose to believe that I will win, regardless of the author or his intent.
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>>98255503>The setting is full of traps>The CYOA is also full of trapsSounds like /cyoar/ material.
>>98254987>beg to differ, pic VERY realtedThat doesnt count. You dont have rghts, as such you may be banned at any time.
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>>98255467>how hard is to tear open a hole in the plane i can somehow sneak through?It's a big complicated dimensionalism ritual. It triggers some automated defenses that attack you when you try it. If you're not on a really tight deadline like the protagonist was you can make multiple attempts which makes it much easier to do.
>>98255552That's reassuring. Well first i gotta figure out how to get good at dimensionalism with my massive magnitude so i guess i should beeline dimensionalism?
>>98254978I laughed when I saw I'm Potential man #2! >>98248361 Because yeah! Without the pressures of the loop/nvasion there's no need to do anything else BUT maximise your potential. So I went with options to give me the easiest time being a student.My strategy for growth isn't hunt down mages, it's happily sit in Cyoria years calmly learning with my wealth/library access. I only planned to go hunting brains once I'd become an archmage in all the shit that isn't forbidden (then rely on paranoia to let me know who I can ambush). >You have four combat-oriented bloodlines that only kinda synergize with each other. Silent casting, elementalist, and powerhouse will all be competing for your mana supply in fights. I honestly put a lot of thought into what I wanted and how they'd combo, I actually ranked each before picking what I wanted: >>98246810MoL mages are glass cannons. Fights rarely last long enough for anyone to run low on mana, and no defence is perfect. A hit & run strategy where you overwhelm defences and then run away just seems optimal (Quatach Ichl seems to agree at least).Mathemagic certainly isn't just a combat bloodline alone, but guarantees your expertise in ward magic, spell formula and dimensionalism. The latter is a big deal, being a prodigy of space magic at a young age should open some serious doors for me. And teleporting mid-combat is a great tactic (Quatach Ichl seems to agree at least).Silent Casting can make me the fastest spell caster in the world. If I can Cast Dispel Magic + Attack Spell faster than the enemy mage can react I have won. It also makes it impossible to flub a spell in a stressful situation, which is not to be sniffed at, and it combos very well with Mathemagic, because you could do things like put down wards mid-combat. It also allows for casting magic while moving, sprinting, flying or melee.
>>98255606Powerhouse (plus Barkskin) was intended to take the glass out of glass cannon and act as a panic button. I was specifically thinking of the time Zorian gets near assassinated. When melee combat happens most mages tend to just die, I want to be able to tank a knife and pucker sunch someone through a wall, or jump forty feet and run like Kid Flash. (And Mathemagic should help there with judging speeds)....And Air Magic because itd make me happy to fly. I can see a lot of combat uses and the passive interests me (anything that moves disturbs the wind, so could I use it as a motion sensor?). But really it's there as an indulgence. Never really thought these options would compete for mana though. Powerhouse is hungry but the whole point of elemental magic is it's cheap. Mathemagic and Silent Casting I didn't think there would be a cost anymore than Zorian's Empathy gets a cost. Maybe switching Powerhouse out I'd consider. It and Silent Casting are options I chose to maximise speed with the hopes of killing opponents before they can respond. But Powerhouse's other function of personal protection is less necessary with Barkskin and SC means I shouldn't fear melee combatants (and I can cast magic even while pinned). I could pick Ghost Eyes maybe for a more research focused option maybe? Ultimately though most mages in this world get none of these advantages and manage to learn just fine. I erred on the side of paranoia with Powerhouse & Silent Casting, assuming that I'd get into combat relatively little in my career but would be very happy to have those two when I did since they plug critical weaknesses that kill so many mages (slow casting and physical frailty). They're as much there to assuage my paranoia as they are to be part of my combat style (which is probably a premature thing to consider when I've not learnt a single spell).
>>98254978>Million Mind Mirror Magicians>Rating: 4/10>Suffers a lot from playing it too safeWelp, fair enough. I may have gotten a tad bit paranoid (including picking Paranoia) since I don't know what I'd be really getting into with the time loop. I considered it at first, but 85 yrs of training didn't seem like that big of a deal in long term (time critical world saving shenanigans aside) when agelessness is on the table.
>>98255743Any build jobs to a guy with no clothes.
>>98255622Nothing wrong with playing it safe, the time loop is a trap unless you know exactly what you're doing - you're right, immortality makes it less relevant. My criticism would be that you'd be better off with the Timeless AU option as it completely removes the danger of the plot. Then dropping as many magical abilities as you think you can get away with to invest points elsewhere. You've bought five ranks of disciplines when you shouldn't have any immediate threat that requires them.Blood & Soul Magic are forbidden and difficult to learn without getting a lot of heat, so keeping the 2 levels in those plus the boons for tutors to learn more makes total sense. (Though honestly in-universe the two disciplines are practised together so much one boon could probably cover a teacher for both). But otherwise you have all the time in the world to learn magic and there are plenty of institutions who will happily teach it to you. Drop the Outsider boon (it doesn't get you anything) take wealthy boon (to hire tutors from the mages guild and live well) or the library access one.Picking up the empath bloodline ability is the obvious option to me. It helps a lot with mind magic, and combining Mind Magic with soul magic can turn your simulacrums into a hive mind at high levels. Empath also helps you deal with psychic info better and so would be helpful for handling that hivemind.
>>98255784This makes me think for my build, young artificer, i really should have gone with child and just got alot of bloodlines and perks and stuff to utilize with my timeless au and immortality, i just couldnt let go of the spells though i guess, hmmm, maybe i will make a revision of my build
>>98254978>mind magic doesn’t do permanent, long-term enslavement very well>nobody is good at magic to begin with>there’s barely any human settlements on other continentsSource? #1 sounds like bullshit, #2 is just wrong>[Elementals and fey] were very powerful and influential in ancient pasthttps://motheroflearninguniverse.wordpress.com/2020/01/22/collected-snippets-angels-demons-spirits/and #3 has no basis as the only information on that topic is>little is known about pre-Ikosian human civilization. No large-scale human civilization appears to have existed, though city-states were fairly commonhttps://motheroflearninguniverse.wordpress.com/2017/03/09/a-brief-history-of-ikosian-civilization/
>>98254978>Accountant>The angels are very confused.Aw.I thought of a more serious build at first, but lack of familiarity with the source material (I had never even heard of it) made me turn to a concept less dependent on it. Then again, other anons (most of whom surely hadn't read Mother of Learning either) managed fine, so that's on me.
>>98254978For as salty as I am for getting a 0, I still have to commend you for reviewing everyone. You can tell I'm salty because I'm still thinking about this hours later.
>>98255784>the time loop is a trap unless you know exactly what you're doingHow did this idea get into you people's heads? Any original looper (the first, default option) build with a rank 3 discipline is in a much better position than the original main caste. This is not hard. People just shoot themselves in the foot with stupid bullshit like becoming an accidental looper at the end because the author omits information.
>>98254570Don't tell me that saya female is still seething over being immediately found out, haha! women am I rite fellas
>>98254978Thanks, anon!
>>98255927If i would had known i would have to escape the loop i would had probably gone original but i got too much points out of accidental to make my build work so eh
>>98255867>mind magic doesn’t do permanent, long-term enslavement very wellNTA, but Mind Magic generally needs to be maintained. There's no dominate spell where you just win and they obey you until it wears off. Mind Mages cannot just rewrite someone's personality or make permanent changes easily either, shit like that requires you to basically immobilize someone in your goon cave for an extended period while being prepared for a serious mental fight.And Mind Magic is not perfect, the brain is messy and difficult to fuck with, you could 'brainwash' someone and be sure of their loyalty, and discover they kept an out and are now reporting you once free. Even when we see top specialists in Mind Magic who *could* do shit like that, they prefer to treat their peons normally. I.e. reward them while reading their minds to make sure they're behaving. Probably because as well as just being impractical, society in general takes a supremely dim view of hostile Mind Magic, and all it takes is one person to discover this shit (you never know who is trained to recognize mind magic) and suddenly the Mages Guild is coming down on you like the hammer of God. >nobody is good at magic to begin withI assume they mean people aren't capable of magic by default. Magic is a product of the soul and they'd need to be capable in their own right to cast the spells you want from them. If you want your mind slaves to cast mind magic to expand your army for example, they're going to need to be trained mind mages (who are then capable of fending off your spells). Overall you probably brainwash people to work for you, but it'd be very risky. You likely couldn't have some weird 24/7 dominated slave army like I suspect you're thinking. And if you could mental connections can be used to divine someone's location so all it'd take is one good mind mage reporting your thrall and next moment they've been used to locate you and the FBI are knocking on your door.
>>98255927Yeah sorry, probably should have been making clearer it's the accidental looper option which is the trap. The original looper option is so obviously fine I basically automatically omitted it, when i shouldn't assume anons know the story.
>>98255966>There's no dominate spell where you just win and they obey you until it wears off.Compulsion?>immobilize someone in your goon cave for an extended period while being prepared for a serious mental fightDoes it really require that much effort when mind magic is at rank 3?>you could 'brainwash' someone and be sure of their loyalty, and discover they kept an outThat should be impossible with both divination and mind magic at rank 3.>we see top specialists in Mind Magic who *could* do shit like that they prefer to treat their peons normallyCan you show me some examples? AFAIK, Zorian has moral handups.>If you want your mind slaves to cast mind magic to expand your army for example, they're going to need to be trained mind magesCan I not just stick memories of spells into their minds?
>>98255867>mind magic doesn’t do permanent, long-term enslavement very wellThis is based primarily on the authors preferences. Rewriting someone's brain is a difficult and time consuming process that requires having them entirely at your mercy for an extended period, and doesn't necessarily hold up. Suggestion magic is even stated to not work when forcing people to self harm or ignore the obvious. There aren't a bunch of brainwashed slaves running around the setting because mind magic isn't very good at doing that.>nobody is good at magic to begin withMages prior to the invention of the Ikosian magic system were extremely dependent on divine blessings, and most mages were tied to the priesthood in some capacity. More, ancient magic is consistently stated to be worse than modern methods, especially in regards to adapting and assimilating new magics.This is because the ikosian magic system was built around the idea of stealing outside magics and sharing them amongst each other, which has been going on for 2000 years as of the start of canon. There's also generally fewer mages in ancient times because learning to become one wasn't standardized.Elementals and Fey are no longer as influential because modern humanity has chipped away at their territories.>there’s barely any human settlements on other continentsOnly two other continents had humans, Hsan and Altazia. Neither of which had advanced enough civilizations to keep historical records.
>>98256009Compulsions are only ever really mentioned as things you can pay the Mages Guild to remove, and therefore not considered that reliable.Mind Magic 3 is where I would assume Aranea Matriarchs are at. If anyone would be experts of Mind Magic it is them, and they aren't moral even to their own species. Zorian interacts with lots of Aranea colonies and not once do we see any sign of them taking mind slaves, either of their own species or of humans. If mind slavery was a useful tool it would be one they would be using. They aren't so I assume it isn't. I would say if the top users of Mind Magic are not using it, it's probably not a thing.>Can I not just stick memories of spells into their minds?You can't just stick memories of spells into people no. Or well, you can but it isn't much use. Spells are cast by the soul, not the mind. The mind controls the soul which control the mana which shapes the spell. Maybe it'd speed things up to give them the memories, but mages already tend to have pretty great memories just by merit of the training required to be a mage. Reading and memorising the instructions is easy. They still need to practice actually shaping mana until their souls have the capability of casting the spells you want.
>>98256054>Only two other continents had humans, Hsan and Altazia.That's 3/4 lol.
>>98256054>>98256065Alright, since mind magic slavery isn't really a thing, then what about soul magic slavery? Would Divination + Soul or Mind + Soul be better?
>>98256066Sorry, there's no developed settlements is what I was getting at.>>98256081Geas would be more impactful with people being unable to simply pay a mind mage to remove it, yes. Divination or mind magic would probably do more for you regardless.
>>98254978>potential man 1/10true lol, I know nothing about the setting so I just went with the cool stuff, my short therm plan was to hope a looper would recruit me fire emblem style and level me up through the path of magic and out of the loop, while my long term plan was to use my immortality to learn fine control to the point I would have a really big mana pool with none of the drawbacks because acording to the wiki the big bad lich has like 25 magnitude and can do very refined soul magic.
>>98256081I think Soul Magic slavery is just necromancy. You kill people, take their souls and use them to power the enslaved dead shit you kill people with. If you want slaves - and by the way, why the fuck do you want slaves? - I don't think you need special magic. Gotta be honest I actually didn't notice myself you'd picked the First Ikosian Emperor option. With that local magic is so bad and your own advantages so extreme you could probably just do slavery the normal way, i.e. tell people you are in charge and if they disagree you will murder them with your vastly superior magic. You don't need anything fancy, I guess you could just scan their minds every so often to make sure they're not plotting anything too obvious. Maybe pull a Father Elijah and craft yourself some bomb necklaces if you want to go really extreme. Basically in that option special slavery magic is a solution looking for a problem. With the right purchases you should be so totally beyond anything the locals could do that none of them could stop you if they wanted. Your big problem in the scenario is that your 2000 years in the past and not likely to meet any mages who are even a tenth as good as you should be, so you're not going to have anyone to learn from. The only risk to you is probably one of the gods - because they still exist back then - getting annoyed and flattening you, and no options will prevent that so why worry.
>>98256081I think just stick with divination and mind magic. Info gathering + mental upgrades is really an unbeatable combo for the time loop that is supposed to facilitate learning magic.
reddit OC>eternal lifespandemons in frieren are not actually ageless, they just have a big lifespan and I think its even lower than elves but I guess this one gives you eternal life anyways.
>>98256175>reddit OC>Yet another gift of favesUtterly worthless
>>98256175I hate gift of faves so much. I don't have a particular reason why, they're just off putting to me.
>>98256188I don't think there's anything wrong with them in theory, pic related is bretty good, but most of them are poorly thought out crap where the author just shoves in the first thing that comes to mind. >>98256175 is a prime example sadly. Demons dont have two specialist spells, why? Why are three of the spells from other demons? Why did you then pick two anime you liked and start taking shit from them even though it doesnt' fit into how frieren magic works? Awful.
>>98256188IMO the problem is everyone makes their descriptions way long. It's fine if it's short.
Reminder that the death and immortality cyoa contedst is set to end July 14th. I liked the one Anon's suggestion that we all hold off on submitting ours until at earliest the 11th. I (Voidsoul) have already completed mine and will hold this compact, as I think if everything releases at the same time it will be more exciting for the thread. Everyone else who finishes theirs may join the Compact and I will list them when I make this post every thread, if you reply to this saying yours is done.Thank you for your attention.
>>98254978>you have access to the Ikosian teleportation staff as the original looper>you have access to the crownBeing the original looper of The First Ikosian Emperor scenario directly gives you the 5 divine artifacts from the get go?
Wodan why are you so dumb
>>98256263Its his bedtime now he wont be responding.
>>98256175>anon becomes a frieren-style demon>doesn't enforce a demonic mindset>equates demons to having no emotions>gives you options from other demons instead of writing new ones>includes Diagoldze (the signiature spell of Macht, arguably the most powerful demon after the Demon King)>includes Zoltraak (giving it effects it doesn't have, like moving at the speed of light) and has it make you immune to Zoltraak>randomly includes powers from FUCKING JOJOSWords cannot describe how much I hate this complete and utter dogshit.
>>98256287You don't know what a gif of faves is do you?
>>98256261It does.
>>98256270Ah yes I forgot gil goes to bed early because he just a baby…
>>98254613Can mind magic be used to store someone's memories to then be given back to the them of a latter loop?
>>98256324Naming slop doesn't make it less dogshit
>>98256390Yes but it works best when the target is already a mind mage and can process the memories quickly.
>>98256233I concur, and think it would be cool if we did a largely simultaneous release. Mine's not going to be too impressive, I don't think, but it leans heavily into the themes. I'm polishing the fluff still but the skeleton is, by and large, enfleshed. Should be done by the end of the week. I'm really excited to see everyone's work.
>>98256390The aranea matriarch of the Cyorian web does this by giving memory packets to Zorian
>>98254613Can you bring others with you across Bakora Gates? If yes, the perk allows you to replicate it to anyone as you teleport from gate to gate with them.
>>98254978There is one big difference with magnitude and training you are forgetting, a Magnitude 35 can train over three times longer than a Magnitude 10.They even point out in the book that this difference typically overshadows the control benefits. Though with certain sidestep options you have your cake and eat it too with how free 'mana batteries' are in the cyoa.
2 potential cyoas for the contest>You've been captured by a witch who wants to take over your body since she' s dying. Cyoa about how to deal with the situation alongside other abducteeor>You awaken in a hive city of sorts. The rich can leech off of the lifeforce of the poor to extend lifespan and use spells. Cyoa about how to climb up the social ladder and killing the poor.
>>98256580The former is more conventional and appeals to a wider demographic, but the latter is fresher and could really stir the pot, if done well. Both of these could make excellent cyoas. The question is, which resonates with you more?
>>98256580>CYOA about killing the poorI would play this
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>>98256596>The question is, which resonates with you more?I've been thinking about a variation of the second one for years but I wanted to implement it to a greater setting so I never went through with itI guess it'd be this one but not sure how well I'd pull it off
>>98256422Same! I gave mine to NoFace to review, and he can confirm mine is perfectly middle of the road.
>>98256652That has an easy solution! You could make a short cyoa set in the city for the contest, and then set another, larger/denser cyoa in the same setting when you feel like tackling it again.
>>98256580>>You've been captured by a witch who wants to take over your body since she' s dying. Cyoa about how to deal with the situation alongside other abducteeI've read this, but it was a pharaoh cat.
>>98254613What's stopping me from bringing hundreds, thousands even, of people out of the loop via a mega dimensional ritual?
>>98256680>>98256580This was my first thought as well
>>98256747That would be a lot of paperwork for the poor angels that went through all of that tedium making a nice, tidy timeloop for you to play in.
For mother of learning if i did escape the loop as a spirit you think i could just get myself an immortal golem body to put my soul into or would i not be able to construct it without help or smth
I hope you’re happyYour parasite ruined mcyoag It was a nice thread too
Literally who
>>98256835Which parasite? And whatever you caught from us is probably an improvement
>>98256844Matterbitch is shitting up conversation again.
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>>98256463In that conversation they specify that high magnitudes have those advantages only assuming both mages have the same shaping skills. The reality is that lower magnitudes start with better shaping skills and can take them further. When the two compete, Zach manages to learn dimensionalism only a little bit faster than Zorian and that's with Zorian wasting mana on his simulacrums and Zach getting doubled learning speed from his mana frame. It also took Zach ~12ish years to get his shaping skills good enough for most advanced magic, while Zorian only took 5.For reaching the absolute limits of their shaping skills, you'd be right and the higher magnitude would do it faster.
>>98256941Zorian is also just plain more dedicated than Zach to the learning aspect of magic. Neither of them I think was mentioned to be a prodigy either, Zorian's brother was however and he learned dimensionalism much quicker. Like knowing how to cast Gate at 22 with no loop.
>>98256957Zach was just as dedicated to learning dimensionalism at the time. Daimen's learning speed wasn't due to his magnitude.
>>98256461>>98256747You can do both of these if you want.
>>98254613Pivoting to the power of friendship.>Time Loop:Original Looper>Modifiers:The First Ikosian Emperor>Origin:Age: Adult (19)Boons: Noble, Criminal, Priest (Ikosian Church), Famous, Wealthy, Mansion, List>Magnitude:5>Skills:Connected>Magical Perks:Bakora Gates, Mana Frame>Magical Abilities:Divination 3, Mind Magic 3I will form a loyal group of vetted people who will follow me across loops. When a member does not have a temporary looper marker, the others will provide them their accumulated memories from previous loops. We can quickly travel across vast distances via the Bakora Gates and share this ability as we see fit; we will explore everywhere, map everything. During the last loop, the group will enact a mega dimensional ritual to exit. We will rule the world together.
>>98254978Notice me, senpai.>>98254613https://youtu.be/6zZIxM_KxxgEpigone>Original LooperI'm aware what the loop is, and I'm unwilling to subject any copies of myself to this rather sad fate if I can help it.And if my paranoid theory that some Non-Loopers are going bonkers out of existential despair comes true, we might need someone who can press the reset button month one.>MultiplayerThe only practical reason to go for MP is potential access to all the options you can't afford with your pathetic Original Looper budget. All the unique spells, Black Rooms, divine artifacts, Mentors and Masters are part of the world now. Anons will share, surely.>TeenYep, this is a magical academy build. I'm not Epigone for nothing. Probably with Xvim as my mentor even. (He's definitely better than Mentor, but probably worse than Master. Guess, he's on my List.)>Wealthy, Mansion, ListWealthy and Mansion are obvious choices. And I interpret List to also include Non-Loopers. I can find Loopers via their markers with some Divination at least.>Magnitude 18The highest point before you start to suffer with fine control (I also rolled for it, lol). Honestly, this problem with control is overrated (both Zach and Quatach-Ichl are fine). Especially for Original Loopers, especially if you plan to xvimmax. There are shaping exercises for everything.>Fitness, Charm, Stable, Sleuth, Intuition, Dexterity, Planning 21You can learn magic, gain experience and steal bloodlines, but these Skills are closer to natural talents. And seeing as Daimen was able to catch up to the protagonists in Dimensionalism with just one year, talent really matters in magic.Who needs this extremely overpriced Passion when I have MOTIVATION? And I'm Paranoid enough already.>Soul Sight 1This thing is rather problematic to obtain. Especially so for Controllers. And it may be needed from the beginning.
>>98257178>Simulacrum, Mind Restore 8I doubt I will have problems even with normal version of Simulacrum, I'm not even close at bitchiness to a certain witch. But it's good to start simulacrummaxxing ASAP.And Mind Restore is absolutely vital for the core idea of this build. (I also may or may not use it on poor naive fuckers who think that self-mindwipe can save their secrets. With the right spells even death can't stop curiosity. Of course, I'll try to keep my morality and will not do this to anyone who isn't enemy. Or Silverlake. Because fuck Silverlake.)And the core idea of my build is to simply imitate success of the protagonists. Every trick from the book, every potential mentor mentioned. Sadly, my memory isn't perfect, so I need Mind Restore for myself first and foremost.I'll try to help Accidental Loopers with their problem (unless they are very evil). Out of pure goodness of my heart, obviously. Denying Panaxeth agents who might succumb to the temptation out of despair is just a bonus. But I'm firmly against temporary markers and revealing nature of the loop.I'll try to do something good for originals of everyone who helped me in the loop. And maybe for our versions of Zach and Zorian too. I'll obviously go on the path of archmage, even if there will be relative focus on Dimensionalism. I have some ideas on how to cheat manapool and casting time limits: Zorian's cube can catch and release enemy spells in super-slowdown-almost-timestop, why not use similar principle on your own spells and just release them at will? Why not use this trick to externalise your mana (unattunement isn't instant)?
>>98257178>Multiplayer>0 disciplines
>>98257236There are 25 years before Accidentals even appear. Zorian was able to achieve some T3s in 10.
>>98257249Original and non-loopers are what you should be worried about.
>>98254819I'm glad to hear you found another jobGood luck Ordion
>>98257265Originals have some protections against bullshit. And it is meaningless to just kill them. There are also no real reasons for conflict.I'm very worried about Non-Loopers already. Reset button or OL protections can kill their current iteration just as well as normal monthly ending.
>>98257312You won't react fast enough to hit the reset button when non-loopers with divination 3, dimensionalism 3, mind 3, soul 3, and 6 more 3s comes during the first fraction of a second to the start of the loop to capture you to figure out how to become an accidental looper. And even if you do hit the reset button, because they won't remember failing, this is gonna happen every single time until fate makes accidental loopers appear, which might mean that you got captured and their experiments made accidental loopers.
>>98257338I start in the warded mansion, and Divination isn't omnipotent.And this scenario is outright crack territory. I may as well say that they always try, but are always stopped by invasion of gay niggers from outer space who brutally gangrape them.
>>98257366They're gonna come after you the moment you leave your mansion or figure out that an original looper is inside.This scenario is extremely realistic. Original loopers are literally non-loopers' only hope for survival.
>>98254613>Original Looper >Age - TeenA nice 14 going to the Academy at Ikoria>Boons - Noble, Criminal, OutsiderA minor royalty from the Shivan Archipelago, a house which served as the primary smuggling agent for Xlotic artifacts to Altazia and other places, with such a position protected by strong “unaffiliated” piracy raids on rivals. >Magnitude - 35 - I have enough time to get my huge pool under control. >Skills -Stable, Professional [Thief] - Stable is necessary for the time scale I’m working with and eventual immortality. My background as a smuggler and pirate nobility has lent me a unique set of skills. >Perks - Divine Stash, Black Room - Divine Stash is my House’s gifts for me on my studies with the explicit purpose of finding and robbing any I can to return home with. With the time loop, I can more efficiently abuse it. The Black Room straight up doubles my time. >Bloodline - Ghost Eyes - Superior soul sensitivity is useful as my soul is especially finicky with the loop functionality. I will try and use the ability to interface with divine energy to replicate the mana blessings or recreate certain useful artifacts by scraping others I find. >Magical Discipline - Mind - The most difficult to learn due to my mana pool, so just becoming instantly adept enough to use it will save a load of time. I will try and create a memory packet type spell ASAP and then use it to help organize my massive amount of knowledge I will accrue in the loop.Potential maxxing with a focus on Divine artifacts.I plan on going half in on being an evil bastard so I can develop my skills up to the point I can bribe Quatach Ichl with Divine Artifacts into teaching me. In the story, he was actually the best teacher Zach and Zorian found, so abusing that is definitely viable. Helps that to my memory, he never actually betrayed them first once he agreed to teach them. After the loop I'll hit him up once again and pay him a tip with the soul flower thing for his teaching.
>>98254613Whats the best possible scenario?
>>98257383Divination isn't omnipotent. You need your own marker to detect markers. And they may as well start with trying to loot the crown from Quatach-Ichl (good luck).
>>98257398Original Looper + The First Ikosian Emperor, no Multiplayer
>>98257395*Academy at Cyoria
>>98257404They will scan people's thoughts and actions, model the city to find "abnormal behavior", etc.. It is wishful thinking to believe that you can avoid the eye of of supreme archmages for long.
How is Quatach going to survive his plan to revive a Primordial if the Angels are so strong?
>>98257398Alternate Champion: Xvim
>>98257440After a certain point of despairfagging it becomes impossible to interact with a cyoa in good faith. We may as well forget about MP right now. This isn't some problem with my build anymore, this is rocks fall, everyone dies.
>>98257398Alternate Champion: Quatach-Ichl
>>98257465There's no escaping the basic facts of non-loopers being op and needing to mess with original loopers' souls to survive.
>>98257493Nah, Zorian's method is too chance based. It was more or less a miracle. They need to deal with Quatach-Ichl to have real chances.
>>98257518If they want to use the crown to get 5 more tries, they still have to grab an original looper first.
>>98257540Original Loopers can't do shit without the crown. It is the most obvious priority.
>>98257551The premise of their survival is original loopers' souls. They're the most obvious priority.
>>98257395>another 35 mag going into mind magicI don't understand the logic.
>>98257563Well congratulations, you killed the MP!Now what's the next step of your master plan?
>>98257577I killed nothing, only revealed the fate of your and other incompetent original loopers' fate.
>>98256580The second premise for sure.There's a lot more that can happen in that CYOA. Like dealing with depraved shit that makes you feel terrible. You can pretend to be just another psychopath willing to do anything to claw their way up. But really you're going to try to break the system by any means necessary. Total decadent elite death.
This is why authors should be careful with franchise cyoas
>>98257676Anons are very negative creatures. There will always be maximum negative interpretations, franchise cyoas or not. The only escape is to be free.
>>98254751>SJWism: Vegetarianismomg Hitler was a SJW???
>>98254978>Mindstealer 7/10Good enough I guess. I wanted to take more skills or boons but the points was quiet low for an original looper, barely enough to get the core skills for a top tier mind controller. I also do not want any rivals so I didn't want to give up original looper, I am pretty much banking for the combo of low magnitude control+mana gem capacity+stolen magical knowledge as my talent base.
>Suddenly realize that technically i don't have to be the one figuring out how to crack through the loop dimension and i can let another anon piggyback off my mana on a ritual>Tiny voice on my head goes "You know that you aren't gonna ask for help as a dragon shifter"FUCK
>>98257750Just don't be a dragon shitter. ¯\_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)_/¯
>>98257449He adresses this with: Eh, I'll live. Liches get to take risks
>>98257910Sounds out of character stupid or angels are not as persistent as I thought.
>>98257449“I see,” Quatach-Ichl said calmly. “You’re saying the angels will go after me if I help release the primordial.”“Yes,” Zorian confirmed.The lich stared at him intensely, as if trying to look into his soul to see if he was telling the truth. Zorian’s posture remained relaxed and his eyes stared right back at the undead mage in front of him. He was too old and experienced to be unnerved by something as simple as that.“I think you’re exaggerating things,” Quatach-Ichl finally said, looking away from him for a moment and thoughtfully tapping his finger against his leg. “Yes, there is certainly a danger of that happening, but angels are laboring under many restrictions. In any case, if I were that skittish about taking chances, I would not be where I am right now. A big part of why being a lich is so great is that you can take crazy risks without dying for good.”Zorian frowned. Truthfully, he did not really think he could convince Quatach-Ichl to just give up on the invasion and go home… but he didn’t expect the lich to dismiss the threat of angels so readily. Then again, he was right about liches like him being uniquely suited for taking risks. They had their own personal resurrection point. It was almost like being a time looper, in a way.Oh well. It was worth a try.Chapter 97:Illusory
>>98257449Trough the power of plausible deniability. He never made a deal with the primordial or directly helped with reviving the primordial. He just invaded at the same time as the cult was reviving the primordial which indirectly helped the revival. It was just standard human politicking an angel wouldn't punish a human just because he had a dumb thought of freeing the primordial being a beneficial thing for him, because it will wreck eldmaria and the primordial will be sealed again anyways.
>>98254613I do wonder what would happen. If one of the characters in the setting read a anons mind and realize they live in a fictional setting and that this body is merely an avatar sent by some eldritch god to fuck around.
>>98258027Spoiler text?
>>98258077>realize they live in a fictional settingI'm sure it feels real enough to them, they might think anons have gone through some crazy divination ritual though, and divine magic being involved.
>>98258077>read a anons mind and realize they live in a fictional settingif anon got isekai'd into it, the world is no longer fictionalif anything, they might assume that there's some kind of divine magic on earth that can send people between worlds via stories, or that there is some inherent property of stories connecting to other worldsalternatively they may just dismiss anon as delusional
>>98254613I know nothing btwNon-Looper because points yay! also make it multiplayer!Senior, wizardry is wasted on the youthNoble. I am a member of the illustrious Von Der De La bögtroll family, an ancient family of warriors in service to the kingdomWealthy of course.Kräkus Von Der De La Bögtroll is a 'lifelong bachelor' if you catch my drift hence why such an old man is unmarriedhis magnitude will be 35!time for skillsconnected*5, the Bögtrolls are one of the richest and most influential families in the kingdomFitness and Charm, charm so he can lead his men and the fitness is just from properly training so he remains in top form for the realmdexterity and Combatant, he is a warrior after all!Professional Siege Engineerplanning, as is to be expected of a siege specialistStable, they practice foreign techniques known as "meditation" to allow them to control their Troll rageSleuth, Intuition, and Paranoia as those who lack these on battlefields dominated by mages won't grow as old as Kräkus.the Bögtrolls are as the name suggests Troll shifters.they also have a Divine Stashas for magic he has mostly focused on the schools that will benefit his whole armyNegation*3warding*3divination*3alteration*3dimensionalism*3spell formula*3projectionTulpa, Mathemagic, and Empath. it's these that truly make the Bögtrolls excel as commandersI will be making preparations as spies have informed me that our neighbor is likely to attack us soon.
>>98258149>alternatively they may just dismiss anon as delusionalThis CYOA is crying out for drawbacks, and one of them needs to be the classic 'You can't convince people for shit of anything, they all gonna think you crazy' one. Time loopers can't get anyone to believe they're in a time loop without overwhelming absurd evidence and many days wasted of trying, non-loopers can't convince anyone that they have knowledge of the plot.
>>98258149I personally don't interpret it as an isekai, more like anons are reality warping entities from a higher dimension "the real world" who warp the world trough the cyoa and insert their avatar into the setting. Like this isn't your regular old isekai, anon can warp the world into multilple possible alternative realities, retroactively edit history to insert their character into the setting. Even the timeloop itself was fucked up by their reality warping because it shouldn't be able to last the full 80 years because it was done to early before the planetary alignment so it was cut from the full 85 years to merely 34 in canon, so anon is also using their eldritch god powers to empower the timeloop itself with extra juice.
>>98258370>Multiplayerers can't convince each other they are multiplayererskino premise actually
>>98258379>clearly its just an NPC pretending to be isekaid, I am the only main character here
I liked this CYOA >>98254500 better than this CYOA >>98254613
>>98258077>do wonder what would happen. If one of the characters in the setting read a anons mind and realize they live in a fictional setting and that this body is merely an avatar sent by some eldritch god to fuck around.The idea has been played around with before. Years ago, I picked up a novel set in the dream realm, and the antagonist had this mad plan to wake up the Seven Sleeping Gods whose dreams shaped the realm. After a long, daring chase across the realm, everyone arrives at the Seven Sleeping Gods, and they all do a double take, as one of them looks just like the protagonist . . .
>>98258410And the Ship cyoa has the one world that has basically been turned into a real workd MMORPG, with players bodyjacking the locals for PCs.
>>98258384>All these other 11th Outsiders? It's a trick of Charlie's. Can't trust em.
>>98257395>so just becoming instantly adept enough to use it will save a load of time.I already tried that, it doesn't work. You're just going to be good at what little mind magic you can actually do. >https://www.reddit.com/r/makeyourchoice/comments/1uawpz1/mother_of_learning_cyoa/osxz71h/
>>98258391Multiplayer>singleplayerYou lost cyoag-chud
Multiplayer is a 100% losing strategy. 0^0 will piss herself and crash an asteroid into the planet.
>>98258469? He's saying that even with the Discipline purchase you're still going to suck at mind magic if your magnitude is too high.
>>98258475Yeah dumbass me figured that out one second after posting.
Is it possible to just make a bloodline that makes you better at shaping?
>>98258471I am not sure if Doria is going to survive multi-player when anons start infighting one another the going to be pro-elder God factions, false ascenders that want to take the pillers and become God's themselves, people who just want to kill the elder gods, others will want to take over countries and gonna fight amongst themselves who will get what, then people who will just fuck off and do their own weird heretical magic shit, not to mention Charlie supporters.
>>98258468>Multiplayer>singleplayerwell authors could at least make their multiplayer CYOAs not based off some franchise
>>98258483Probably. Zorian guesses at one point that Zach (the original looper) has some kind of bloodline that does something like that, because he has massive amounts of mana and no problem shaping it (it's actually just the mana frame blessing he has). So it's evidently not impossible. You could probably make an enhancement ritual that makes you better at shaping somehow, but then while they often do get passed down it's not necessarily guaranteed.Also enhancements can cost anywhere from 10% to 50% of your mana. The ones the CYOA offers are the best of the best, minimal mana and guaranteed to pass down.You might be better off taking one of the existing bloodlines that just improve shaping for specific things like Elemental or Mathemagic depending on what you want it for honestly.
What's the parameters for the contest, again? I would like to participate with a simple cyoa to flex my creativity.
>>98258495In Zachs case he literally just has the mana frame, but Zorian didn't know that at that point. I don't think there is any known bloodline that improves shaping directly. But many bloodlines do seem to offer shortcuts for shaping.
>>98258520No confirmation it exists, but it's evidently not unbelievable it would exist. Bloodlines are big deals for houses and often info about them is kept secret, so a if a subtle one like that existed it probably wouldn't be know about.Having said it though the way enhancement rituals usually work is you grab a monster with the ability and splice that part of it into your soul. But generalized mana shaping is a *human* ability. Most monsters just have their one thing. I imagine the best you could do is grab something that indirectly helps with shaping, like some sort of knock-off Gojo Six Eyes deal.
>>98255610>When melee combat happens most mages tend to just dieShouldn't silent casting + mental enhancements be enough to counter that?
Hey if Tok is around I had a couple questions about Dragonfall.1) Do you have any more lore laying around about the 5 other Greater Dragons are/were (or even just what Continent they are on). 2) Am I correct in reading that, even with Feetility 4, a Scalespawn/Scaling still needs to bang a true dragon if they want their kid to be an actual dragon?
>>98258542>1) Do you have any more lore laying around about the 5 other Greater Dragons are/were (or even just what Continent they are on).All the lore I came up with for the Greater Dragons is in Dragonfall.>2) Am I correct in reading that, even with Feetility 4, a Scalespawn/Scaling still needs to bang a true dragon if they want their kid to be an actual dragon?Yes
>>98258542At least post the cyoa while at it anon.
Rolled 86 (1d100)>>98258560
Rolled 58, 18 = 76 (2d100)>>98258567>roll again twiceA better ryoa would not tell you to roll in multiple posts
>>98258539Honestly probably. Silent casting + mental enhancements should solve it mostly, or Air Elementalism too since you could just blast people away like an air bender. Taking both of them is just paranoia on my part and arguably a waste of a bloodline slot. But I'm immortal: I have all the time in the world to learn.But I just thought to myself:>'Hey, if you ever regret not taking more research focused bloodline options, it's because you are disappointed at your lack of magical progress. If you ever regret not taking Powered, it's because you're in a situation where being much stronger, faster and tougher then a human would be a real advantage, and are about to be murdered'. For paranoia's sake dropping powered or air elemental and picking up Magic Resistance might be smart, since that's an absurdly good defensive boon to have that protects you against all manner of esoteric magic attacks.
>>98258546Nta, but if a true dragon and a non-dragon has a kid, is there a chance for a true dragon to be born?
>>98258440That is unfortunate and doesn't really seem to fit what the text describes but oh well. >>98257395Going to take blood magic instead then. The utility in a loop is very obvious and can jumpstart my learning in a different way by just finding magical creatures and mage bloodlines that assist in different schools of magic and sacrificing them for a power that loop. Works off my huge mana reserves and might make shaping easier with the magnitude being effectively lowered by an amount. Will assist the cultists for learning the intermediate steps.
>>98258587Read the CYOA
>>98254613How many years in does Zorian get included in the loop?
>>98258546>>98258542>2) Am I correct in reading that, even with Feetility 4, a Scalespawn/Scaling still needs to bang a true dragon if they want their kid to be an actual dragon?No, I misread the question
>>98258554K, it'll be slow as fuck though, I'm phone posting.
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>>98258593Who's your favorite companions in the dragonfall cyoa?Which ones do you wanna fuck the most?Zynthia not allowed
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>>98258640Finished.>>98258597Sorry, I'm a bit confused now. So a Scalespawn with Fertility: Tier 4, wouldn't need to mate with a True Dragon to produce an heir?
>>98258648True Dragon Heir* sorry actual dylexia.
>>98254613By the way, which skills can be imitated by being a good enough mind mage?
>>98258542>>98258546What a coincidence that someone asks about tok's cyoa and tok immediately posts as he just so happens to actually be ittIt wouldn't surprise me if Wodan starts posting soon after
>>98258599Thank you anon, a perfectly laid trap. Now i can post my updated build.>>98258593Too bad, good thing that grandchildren are an option.
>>98258665You're welcome, but the background of your build hurts my eyes.
>>98258662Don't reply to it anon. It's fucking sad enough when suddenly 'someone' decides they've just got to ask basic questions no one would ask. Just let the dog molester pretend and don't interact and hopefully hell go away.
>>98258492That's when you start rooting for Charlie.
>>98258688I knew it, but it looked so good during production...
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>>98258833>See a gross insect>"Hey look, a gross insect">"ReNT FrEe!!"
>>98258848Aren't gross insects like, one of the most common phobias?
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Apparently today is international fairy day. Yay!
>>98258988When's the cyoa coming out? I've been holding in my cum so I can make a build based entirely around capturing fairies and fucking them
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What's the /cyoag/ equivalent of this meme?Who are the most annoying groups of people here?
>>98254819>Most notably a post apocalyptic roadtrip with an adoptive daughter, based off watching Pragmata's Diana danceThat is all i need to hear. I shall play your cyoa, can we get an option of having her be an android like Diana?I work a wagie job too and it hampers my efforts in making cyoas. I hope i get to finish mine for the contest
>>98259109Me.
Gil is a fairy
>>98259204In a jar
>>98259109You know exactly who
>>98254819>>98259135>watching Pragmata's Diana danceWhy the hell did they give her such erotic hips???https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7bnwN2QbPjI
>>98259324I don't. I'm a newfag that's only been here 6 years or so.
>>98259346Tok, Gil, ORfags, Discorders, Redditors, take your pick.
>>98259109The stinky Indian and it’s not even close.
Stahp it u guise or I will tell mom on u
>>98258511The theme is "death and immortality" and the deadline is July 14th. Nothing else specified.
>>98258511Why did we decide the contest should end on a Tuesday?At least we'll get a rush of initial submissions on Sunday.
>>98259386still no build that can defeat Mom
>>98258534>Having said it though the way enhancement rituals usually work is you grab a monster with the ability and splice that part of it into your soul.Using a human soul with magnitude 1 instead of a monster then.
>>98256364>>98256270Getting 7-8h of sleep is as important as maintaining a healthy diet/weight and regularly exercise.
>>98259664Hurry up b4 I gotta go to work
>>98259664*regular>>98259403How many CYOAs are actually being made with the topic? Was my guess of 2-3 correct?
>>98255932No, that was just one of my spores. >>98254599
>>98259037The fairy isekai CYOA is still a long way off. Though somebody was making a fairy-rates-your-cooking CYOA that sounded interesting. Maybe that one will release soon?
>>98259664I haven't slept in over 30 hours and honestly I am not even tired!
>>98259908How often do you do this?
>>98259942maybe like once a year
>>98259978Ok that should be fine. You should really go to bed though.
>>98259978>>98260000Don't listen to him, if you stay up for 60 more hours, you will see through the static of this false world and wake in the real one.
>>98260022Dont tell him, he would be too powerful if he ever awoke.
>>98260036He will make CYOAs real
>>98260086Will he be The One?To choose his own adventure?
Fun fact, sleep deprivation has never been shown to be fatal to humans. It can increase the risk of heart failure, but despite expectations there is no nerve, nor brain damage no matter how long someone stays awake. There is a condition known as fatal insomnia, but it's a neurodegenerative prion disease that happens to include insomnia. It doesn't kill by preventing sleep, it kills the same way as other prion diseases do via prion buildup in the cells killing them causing progressive neurodegeneration.
Do not be mistaken. Sleep deprivation is not safe, and you should never do it.
>>98260123Is it even possible to willfully stay awake that long? I thought someone healthy would in fall asleep inevitably before dying of sleep deprivation.https://imgchest.com/p/xny8xneo4bl
>>982585959 years, plus ~5 from using black rooms. It would have been 1-3 years more but Zach wasted a bunch of loops fighting a dragon.>>98258660Mental enhancements don't map on exactly to skills. You can use magic to preserve memories perfectly, you can automatically suppress distracting thoughts, you can split your consciousness into parallel threads, you can give yourself a mental clock and calculator. Stuff like that.
>>98260153The current known record for it is 18 days 21 hours, well beyond known examples of animals dying of sleep deprivation. Experiments into it have stopped and I don't know of anyone keeping track of the record, because there is no good reason to. But no existing research has shown lasting damage from staying awake that long. There is however some research that shows that sleeping poorly over years is associated with worse cardiac outcomes, so it is likely bad for your heart, but there isn't a known causative link.
Echoes CYOA first released on July 21st 2018. Nearly a decade ago (Been 8 years).Not that much time left.
>>98254613Is the loop really all that helpful as opposed to just taking immortal and living out maybe even a hundred years or more as opposed to like 60 years' worth of 1-month loops
>>98260310Infinite money, no consequences, you can't die, access to tons of experts. You easily get more opportunity and resources in ten years of looping than you would in a hundred years of normal living.Plus loopers get those hundred years after the loop too, just with a potentially much stronger starting position.
>>98260310It's most useful for mastering rare or forbidden magics like blood, soul and mind magic without consequences. Those all to some extent require practice on people, and the former two are highly illegal and the latter very monitored. It'd be much, much, much harder to get good at those 'safely' outside the loop.That and combat magic. Getting good is usually risky.There are lots of mage tutors who will not give up their skills for almost any price, or only to people who agree apprenticeships. Being able to overpay absurdly and make agreements you don't intend to honour is a benefit exclusive to the loop.There are also a lot of rare spells that aren't normally available which you could more easily get (by attacking dangerous mages or raiding noble house mansions). Spells like simulacrum, the gate spell (teleport but better) come to mind. The spells available for purchase help there though, some of the flatly do not exist in the setting. The clone spell is an improvement on the normal lich process for example, which usually turns you into a skellyman obviously. So there's definitely benefits, but even despite that I think I could make better use of the full 100 points skipping it.
>>98260347Yeah but then you have to spend most of your time trying to escape the loop, also putting so much weight on the loop turns every build into basically the same 4 picks, tulpa, mathemagic, intuition, and memory, and thats it everything beyond that is just dressing really, except maybe sleuthTheres not really any point in the rest of the cyoa cause youll just be learning and acquiring everything else anyway and that doesnt seem very fun to me
Italics here. I'm back from a hiatus. Please look forward to new coming CYOA content.
>>98260380All i wanted was to spend my immortal life leisurely building golems, wards, and magic items while getting to learn fun stuff as i grow in my favored fields like animation and alteration, i didnt want to be a combat mage or get into any of the illegal/restricted magics at all cause i didnt have any interest in them besides countering them, yet i get slapped with a 4/10 rating for "playing it too safe" and "not having growth in anything but my 7 specialties"Like i get i wasnt going for an optimal growth maxing build but still
>>98260411Which one was yours? I'd like to take a look.
>>98260423Young Artificer
>>98260383>you have to spend most of your time trying to escape the loopOnly if you're an accidental looper who picked to be at the end.>tulpa, mathemagic, intuition, and memoryWhy bother with these pieces of trash when you can just take mind 3?
>>98260411>yet i get slapped with a 4/10 rating you are taking build ratings too seriously, they are fun to see everytime someone does one of a cyoa but it's just the opinion of one anon.
Personally i am kinda sweating bullets because getting out of the loop when i magnitudemaxxed is gonna be hard. I have time but still...
>>98260411>playing it too safeI have no idea what the fuck he meant when he said that. Your build is absurdly weak, the absolute opposite of safe.
>>98254613Does Biomancer help with pure Blood Magic?
why is letting the eldritch God out bad anyways? what if he just a chill guy
>>98260495He is the world and he hates it
>>98260411he was scoring how well the builds cheese the loop, so obviously if you went for anime isekai slow life instead the rating is lower
Non-Looper option was a mistake. Not only it lets you to mostly ignore the main point of the cyoa, it rewards you for that.
>>98260411I mean yeah, that looks completely fine to me. It's a non-combat build for someone who shouldn't ever really see combat. I'd wonder what exactly the ranking is actually on? Not like they said.The loop *does* allow a chance at becoming a true archmage (a generalist who has mastered so many schools they can be assured of beating multiple specialists) so they might be judging you for not living up to the potential of being the BESTEST MAGE EVER.But nothing wrong with just picking what you personally like and living well. I'd probably have made some changes myself? You definitely don't need all the ranks in magic you have as a teenager (think you mentioned you'd be interested in changing that previously) and could invest those in more potential.Some skills like polyglot when you've got memory or sleuth when you've got intuition seem a bit redundant. Weirdly, you'd be well served by taking either fitness or dexterity as a golem maker. Animation spells work off your knowledge, so before you can implant martial arts into a golem... you need to know martial arts. In-story there's a golem geek learning it for just that reason unenthusiastically.On bloodlines Mathemagic is perfect for your field. I'm iffy on taking tulpa too? You can make mirror images or simulacrums if you need a second pair of eyes, though it is *better* than them, it's also fucking expensive at 10 points. And Crystalized is a convenience, c. mana is expensive, but it's in-universe being used to power trains. It's not *that* expensive. It's like, coal. You can buy it with ease but honestly having the ability to *make* it might be more trouble than it's worth (people trying to kill the goose that lays golden eggs).
>>98260536True Creation would be crazy useful for you if you have the free points. It's a spell that lets you manufacture your own materials, in whatever shape you'd like.Though that would absolutely get a fuckton of attention. You'd either need to keep it very secret, know how to deal with being the most famous mage in the world at that point, or release it anonymously. Actually that might be a case where C Mana *is* justified. The only real use of that is staying off the radar, using only your C Mana in True Creation would help you keep things hidden.Weirdly Empath would be very useful for you. Empath lets you connect psychically with things much more easily and basically optimizes your mind for connections, even if what you're connecting to is inhuman. Think of it as a Brain To Magic interface. It'd be useful for controlling golems (or interacting with your tulpa). Nothing wrong though with making a build for a life you'd enjoy rather than one you've optimized. I got hit with Potential man #2 for going with what I loved. https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98247451/#98248361Potential man #2Though it did make me rethink my combat options a little.
>>98260394Echoes PSY lives on in my heart.
>>98260494To clarfiy, does it help with enhancement rituals, demon bargining, powering spells from life force etc.
>>98260494>>98260559Demon bargaining and powering spells from life force, no. That has nothing to do with biology.Enhancement rituals, sort of? In certain edge cases where your enhancement is tied really heavily into your physical body. Like if you gave yourself dragon wings and wanted to make them functional.
>>98260559Not directly. Learning blood magic requires a lot of human experimentation. It'd probably be useful for keeping subjects *alive* as long as possible to learn as much as you can, but little more. What blood magic actually uses is something called life force. That's a bit of specialized mana that is used to keep the body healthy, handles the basic magic resistance all people have and sort of act as a conduit between the soul and body. Maybe calling it the outer layer of the soul might make sense. It's just that it's only really accessible by harming someone or something. It *might* be useful for enhancement rituals in identifying monsters and how their abilites work. I can't see how it would be useful in demon bargaining. You don't use your own lifeforce for magic unless you are seriously fucking desperate, we're talking days or weeks in bed and maybe permanent damage. Can't see it being much use in getting the most out of your sacrifices.
>>98260535No, Timeless is the mistake.
>>98260556It lives on a folder document, multiple word documents, a photoshop file, and having experienced a rewrite of compression to make it's main narrative coherent and choices impactful to how you live and survive in the alien infested city.
>>98260599The AU options read like "do what you want" to me, like a DLC or meta cyoa. So they're not part of the core of the cyoa, they can't be described as mistakes in the way the options in the cyoa proper can be.
>>98260624Ok, in that case I don't know what "lets you to mostly ignore the main point of the cyoa" you're talking about. The only thing it lets you ignore is Accidental Looper because you can just spawn camp Zach, and this is certainly not "the main point of the cyoa".
>For the sake of immortality, wealth, beauty, reputation, status, I can make use of all of them, and I can also discard them as easily! for immortality, fear cannot stop me, I will charge forward relentlessly! for immortality, laziness will not stop me, I will never slack even for a moment! for immortality, pain cannot stop me, gods and demons cannot stop me, even heaven and earth cannot stop me!CYOAs for this feel?
>>98260667https://imgchest.com/p/qe4g59d8j7jhttps://rentry.org/jrpg_traitor_information
>>98260667You wrote a lot and I wasn't quite paying attention, but I skimmed and the word immortality shows up a lot so here's a lot of immortality.Post Digital Circus one of the options on this really stands out to me.
>>98254613>Time LoopAccidental Looper +92>ModifierMultiplayer>OriginSenior (50)>BoonsCriminalMansion>Magnitude18>SkillsMemory Stable Sleuth Paranoia Intuition Planning Passion >PerksSoul EyesMana Frame >Magical DisciplinesDimensionalism 3 Blood Magic 3 Soul Magic 3 >BloodlinesMathemagic Ghost Eyes >SpellsClone >Themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQnAhjEShxwRound whatever. Realising that Biomancer doesn't actually do what I thought it did and dropping it freed up a ton of points, which i put towards simply mastering Dimensionalism from the get go. This should basically guarentee my escape and thus leave me free to just practise my riskier magic in the 8 consequence free years I have left.
>>98260676NTA but is the best option for immortality humanity lobotomizing MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI to induce them into a permanent coma thus preventing the end
>>98260741That's impossible.
>>98260756why?
>>98260741You could theoretically use Self-Updating Envoys to replicate the souls of humanity and The Will of MANA to survive the end and turn the survival of humanity into a ship of theseus thing.
>>98260760He's too powerful. The entire world is a joke to him.
>>98260787that is quitter talk, with enough human defiance, malice and pure spite even god can be shackled. Such is the truth of human defiance
>>98260741>Let's lobotomize the brain that's currently imagining meGreat idea there!
>>98260760The limit of what you can do as far as manipulating mana in a way that has any possibility to affect him is The Will of MANA option. Which he instantly notices and acts upon. Other than that option you have no way to do anything that is above mana, and there is no way of telling how far above the base mana of the world he even is.
>>98260803when the world is going to end you have nothing to lose, so what if the god mind potentially dies? You were going to die anyways might as well kill them with yourself. Besides it worked pretty well in Seinaru Magecraft
>>98260821why limit oneself with the options presented in the cyoa, the sorcerer-kings barred off the old gods and that power isn't in the possible options you can select from. So who can say that one can't effect them with powerful enough magitech.
>>98260834Because there is nothing in the setting above mana. Everything is made of mana, it's all you've got to work with. If you make something of mana that is above mana, then like the option The Will of MANA he will notice, and can stop you. Also you are made of mana, and are functionally just another part of his body, and he can control you the same as he can any other bit of mana.
>>98260856if mana is a part of their body, then they can be manipulated via the medium of mana
>>98254978Thanks for the review
>>98260923no problem.
>>98260715>Memory >Stable >Sleuth >Paranoia >Intuition >Planning >PassionInstead 5 more rank 3 disciplines?
>>98260989NTA but aren't skills more worth it in the long run you can't really develop most of them in the long run while magic you can eventually train if you are immortal
>>98260994No, just upgrade yourself with magic, especially mind magic.
>>98260803the man who fears oblivion will never be freed from the jaws of Yaldabaoth
>>98261001but those things are going to cost mana to maintain and I don't think it will be easy to reach the quality of the skills as described. Like paranoid seems like full on prescience.
>>98260667What cultivation novel is this from?
>>98254613Something I'm just letting everybody know. The way familiar's work in this setting, if you have a familiar you can always use transformation magic to easily transform into them. Both familiars and shifters are an animal soul that is bonded to your own, there's not much difference. So 1 point familiar gets you any mundane animal, bird included. At worst you *might* not get the instinctive usage of the body a shifter would (i.e. you have to actually learn to fly as a bird *maybe* unlike a shifter who just knows).
>>98260546Im really sorry i should have responded earlier but i put on some music a bit ago and basically passed out for a couple hoursEverything you said sounds incredibly useful like taking dexterity to make better golems and how id probably get killed or turned into a crystal factory, i hadnt even thought of empath being useful it just seemed like weird mind magic stuff that didnt seem that interestingWill say though, i figure taking polyglot and sleuth along with memory and intuition would boost things further, especially polyglot which focuses on language which might be useful for scouring foreign works for ideas while im at the library that im going to spend alot of my time atAs for tulpa, i grabbed it cause it mentions having 50 times the brain power of you so i figured itd help alot with various things especially if it also had mathemagics number crunching ability which is now multiplied by 50 cause tulpaAnyways, thanks for all the suggestions and whatnot, ill see about revising the build, not sure what im going to do with 30 points though when i have most every skill i wanted, hmmm, i can maybe grab a couple more like ecologist or maybe a bloodline or two, but idk
>>98261012Only bloodlines cost mana to maintain.
