Now that the dust has settled, can we finally admit it wasn't that bad?
No.
I stopped caring about fantasy after endtimes. Not because it was bad, but because fantasy legitimately can’t ever be topped after endtimes.
>>98260433Post your fully painted models and then there can be a coversation.
>>98260433>end times books didn't go around deleting online archives of old editions>people who hate end times did go around mass reporting GW related mega file sharesIt's detractors are far worse than it at this point
>>98260433Cool concept but everything associated with it was awful.GW killing the setting? Awful. Age of Sigmar 1e? A fucking meme of a game.People whining about how their favorite character wasn't wanked hard enough? Awful.Minis out of print or having to buy extra special bases to play fantasy? Also Awful.The actual books and the Phoenix King shit? Not really good but I don't read many WHF novels.
>>98260433The End Times novel series was quite good, yes.
>>98260562Phoenix King stuff makes the faggies, msot anniying type of elf "fan" mad, so it's based in my book. GW should bring it up more
>>98260562Couldn't you play aos on squares for a fairly long time? (I mean "oficially", you can of course still just do that if you want)
>>98260607You could all through 1e and maybe even a bunch of 2e. GW secifically changed the rules for measurng distance to make base shape irrelevant
>>98260593Eternity host was capital k Kino
>>98260607Yes but gw repackaged all the models to only include round bases so if you bought new stuff you had to buy square bases from 3rd parties or those hybrid bases for movement trays because WHF uses formation movement and facing matters.
>>98260433gay fanficCanonically archaon was raped and gaped by some orc, then his garbage items were melted down to make some scrap for level 1 gobbos
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>>98260453WTF? is this real? why would people do this?
>>98260562The Malakith stuff was pretty bad anon it's just dumb
>>98260433No, it was just as bad as people said, when that shite was first released.And it will be equally as bad as when it happens to Age of Ligma.
>>98260433Fuck off.
It wasn't that bad, it was worse.
>>98260433Some of it was good. Some of it was awful.
>>98260433Everything involving Nagash was great.Just like everything in Warhammer Fantasy/Age of Sigmar. He's just the best character.
>>98260433>dust settledbuddy... go choke on a cock...it's still dusty as your manginaat least we got the conciliatory prize of The Old World. I kinda hope we'll get some good Ind/Nippon/Araby/Border Princes/Grand Cathay books.I'm currently re-reading the Gotrek and Felix books.
>>98260433It gave us Age of Sigmar, an objective improvement over Corpo Tolkien Clone Land, so ultimately it was a good thing.
>>98269016Bad bait is unfunny because it's too easy to spot, there's no sport in it
>>98260433It was. Rules were pretty fun, but the lore was terrible.My absolute top 1: Dark Elves being the good guys all along. I mean COME ON!
>>98269035>dur i'm too brown to get your point so it's bait!
>>98260433I don’t give a shit about End Times retarded plot.I discovered Warhammer with the 6e, Storm of Chaos and 2e WHRP.Still AOS has some good ideas, but the only sane approach is to consider The Old World/Storm of chaos and End Times/AOS as two differents timelines.
>>98260433I liked it conceptually, because I like the idea of the Warhammer Fantasy world being doomed, and that Chaos will inevitably destroy it, because I'm a cosmic horror fag and that resonates with me.The books were kinda bad tho, too many unresolved plot threads, too many characters making retarded decisions.Nagash was kino tho. Every scene he was in he stole the show.
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>>98270088It’s just a Tuesday in Norsca.
>>98260433It was worse.
>>98260433I tried numerous times to enjoy ApS over the years but the setting is so completely different to anything else done by GW that I just don’t like it. I don’t enjoy the setting, I don’t like the minis, I don’t like anything about it. End Times itself with the lore is fun and interesting, it’s just the actual end part that I’ve never been able to understand. They took Warhammer and tried to make it look like something Riot games would come up with.
>>98260562The most telling part is that nobody outside of the war gaming hobby has any interest in AoS, to the point it’s really jarring for them why they would drop the original setting for something so clearly inferior. They just find out about something they really like and then get the strangest rug pull imaginable in the space.
>>98272547It's doubly baffling to me that the thing that got the most people outside of wargaming interested in Fantasy, TWW, happened AFTER the end times.
>>98272570The whole “the old world” thing is stupid too, like another anon said it should just be in another timeline branching from the storm of chaos campaign. What’s funny is that everything was rushed to get in a new setting they had nothing for and even now they’re trying to get the old setting back they’ve rushed that too and are making the same mistakes in reverse.
>>98272547Dude nobody outside of warhammer bubble knows anythign other than 40k exists. Total War fags are anomalous plague
>>98272631And how many people are asking for an aos total war? Nobody, I’ve seen people ask that it doesn’t get made but I’ve never seen anyone ask for it to be made
>>98272660Same "people" wait for Karl Franz model to finally relaeas (he has been sold with 0 squitngs for like 15 years). They're retarded children
>>98272660How many people are asking for a new total war in general? CA has rotted and the talent has gone with it.
>>98272785this, CA basically collapsed in on itself at some point after TWW2. TWW3 is still a complete dumpster fire years after release
>>98272631Vermintide and total war were huge, as book readers go Felix and Gotrek made a shocking impression on the (admittedly small) male reader audience. Fantasy had some reach outside of the wargame, more than almost every wargame out there, sigmar does not.
>>98272806they collapsed in on themselves during Rome 2s development
>>98272660AoS is being squatted, hadn't you heard?
>>98272826I feel like the lesson of Gotrek and Felix is one that GW never really learned. You can tell a way more fun and interesting story with a small group of characters who aren't world-shifting superheroes.
>>98272833oh shit really?
>>98272826Biggest reach was beign raped and gaped by Warcraft stealing every bit of zeitgaist it could have get before becomign the furrfag franchise with gay rat porn
>>98272857no not really
>>98272861somehow both Warcraft and WHFB/AoS ended up pandering to the fucking faggot furries. Not the 'normal' furries, the actual fags. What the hell went wrong?
>>98260433Fantasy fags couldnt telln you honestly, because they didnt read buy or play it, the same way they didnt with Tamurkhan.Despite the memes, they are quite literally the most Waacfagery of all GW games, with only possible exception being Killteam
>>98260433Yea, I think I can do that. The Old World helps, and of course you can just ignore it the end times if you don't like it. But AoS is a cool setting. Shame that rumors say they're going to consolidate it into one world again, the Mortal Realms is a cool idea.
>>98260433one of the dumbest business decisions in history. An early example of woke-mania decision making
>>98273731Jervis Jhonson and the Warcry guy left, and it has been a free fall ever since. AoS peacked in 2nd edition, theres nothing more to look forward to lore or ruleswise
>>98273743>GW was late on the woken train and only joined around 2018>The end times were wokeIdk how it fits in your head
>>98273747it was a woke decision before calling out woke was even a thing.They literally axed wfb for being too white.Then replaced it with a setting they could fill full of DEIDon't deny it.
>>98273752AoS took 2 editions to get women, and 3 to get black people. You are delusional, Fantasy died because noone fucking bought it, because it was a game full of compofags, half of whom hated the fact that they even need models
>>98273760kys you lying woke cancer pos
>>98273745I don't know, man. There's always something to look forward to. If anything I'll have something to bitch about, and I love bitching. And they also keep putting out cool models, so I'll have that. Besides, AoS isn't the only thing that I play, I've been getting into Conquest recently. >>98273752I deny it. WFB wasn't too white at all, there were plenty of colored characters: Thanquol is gray, the Greenskins are green, The Slaves to Darkness are all sorts of colors. There was LGBQ representation in Slaanesh. It also had/has entire factions of disabled people like the dwarves or britonia. It was already woke. Hell they even represented their fanbase in Nurgle!
>>98273765https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vR61nuH8Qt6wi9kSGzCr22MuMRtPykJnQYr1WeNhzSJYKxRnhLPp2LsMIL5BDbtjFj6QJZW0a3RID7P/pubhtml#Just go check for yourself lmao
>>98273791I wish some of those models were still in production :( i don't care that they're chunky, they're cool.
>>98273811They had to redesign them for Thunderstrike, because they were not enough like Stormcasts, and fatcasts didnt work for women
>>98273811Also, theres no way there isnt any recasters in russia making them
>>98273818They had to redesign them for Thunderstrike, because they were not enough like S̶t̶o̶r̶m̶c̶a̶s̶t̶ Space marines, and fatcasts didnt work for women
>>98273811kitsch poop. this is what happens when you let women and gays design things
>>98273834Go watch gore on telegram and get high on whatever russians have for fentanyl
>>98273822What kind of idiot would intentionally buy anything from russians? That's like buying something from india or a country that ends in 'stan'.
>>98273841In normal countries such endevours dont function for long.There was a site with STL scans of AoS 40k and fantasy stuff, including most fatacsts, it was called battlesanctum, but i cant aceess it from any vpn now, i suspect they might have moved domains but i have no idea what it is now
>>98273847That's true, and if they're selling STLs that's a different story. If those files were being sold there's a good chance they're out there on the internet somewhere.
>>98260433Now that the dust has settled, can OP admit he guzzles gallons of cum every morning like the faggot he is?
>>98260453Simply stop including ET in your repos and they will be safe. Put them in separate ones or AoS ones where they belong. Our terms are clear and cost nothing to implement, at this point you're the one taking them down by refusing to comply.
>>98273877The World that Was is one of the moons of Azyr and it's ore is used by Sigmar to create the armor and weapons of the Stormcast Eternals.
>>98273882>AoS ones where they belongAnon, i dont know how to tell you this, but AoSg haven't had its own repos for a couple years now, because they were reported to shit
>>98273888How do you even report them?
>>98273745That would be Jervis "points are pointless, just liek, vibe out your army list dude" Johnson? Jervis "why do you need options bruh, just pretend you can still use the five different loadouts we took away" Johnson? Yeah, lauding JJ, that's about the level of intellect you can expect from an AoS fan.
>>98273882Why do you feel you are entitled to have "terms"?
>>98273837>>98273841oh oh RDS melty
>>98273890Idk, thats what aosg guys told me
>>98273887>guzzle guzzle guzzle
>>98273898Bro turn off your speech to text
>>98273894You can make fun of 1st ed as much as you want, but Globb's bribery rule alone was worth infinitely more than another rules about standing on circles. Theres a reason why 3rd edition has killed AoS presence amongst most FLGSs
>>98273895Because we have right and justice and truth on our side, while you are trannies who want to sully the thing we like with garbage.Listen you can drink all the End Times piss you want, gulp those big jugs of James' yellow water down morning noon and night if that's what gets you going. Just do it away from us.
>>98273901The fact you think this is an own is hilarious. Imagine being so retarded you think speech to text would render out incomprehensible cock gargling sounds as words. Typical ET fan ladies & gents.
>>98273902I don't know anything about AoS other than it's shit for fags mate, whatever edition.
>>9827390are you taking it up the ass now? your writing style sounds like your butt hurt.
>>98273898It's very creative to quote the sounds that you hear coming out of your mother's room when you "uncles" come to visit!
>>98273897They're just being lazy then. All repos get reported all the time, WHFB, SG, and 40K ones just get reupped.
>>98273912Try again wee man, one day you'll manage.
>>98273904>Because we have right and justice and truth on our side, while you are trannies who want to sully the thing we like with garbage.Can you prove that, or are you lying?
>>98273909You really like talking about bodily waste and homosexuality. Are you Russian or German?
If theres one thing I didnt like about endtimes is that the characters didn't die in worse ways. Glup shittos like morgana and that one dwarf guy should have had their corpses paraded until the planet blew up. Hell they should shave sold corpses for all the dead characters as terrain too.
>>98273937Just Kitbash dude, no need to throw money at GW.
>>98273937so they didn't go far enough is what you are saying
>>98273890You can flag Mega for copyright abuse
>>98273904End Times was not any better or worse than any other GW fantasy campaign. The only reason you belive that theres a difference is because you never engaged with any of it, like any FantasyFag
>>98273984No other fantasy campaign was created to enable Age of Sigmar to replace WHF though. Glaze End Times all you like as an expansion, but the fact it was introduced to completely end the line and facilitate a new game entirely means that’s what a lot of people are going to judge it on. And clearly not enough people thought it sufficed as either a finale for Warhammer Fantasy nor as a prelude to Age of Sigmar.
>>98274069Even GW agreed, they had to do so many rewrites and retcons. The end times now are not the same as the end times when they debuted. But that's just what GW likes to do, hell they retconned Horus Heresy into existence because they didn't think ahead to why the galaxy was in shambles. When I was first introduced to 40k as a kid -I'm 39 now, for reference- Goge Vandire and the Bolter Bitches didn't even exist. They weren't even a fart of a thought. Unfortunately back then I didn't keep up with WFB, I was a sci-fi kid, so I don't know how much it has changed, but I do know that GW loves their retcons.All that to say that I can understand why people would have a bad taste in their mouth for AoS. My brother is experiencing it with female custodes. I think that's part of the charm of GW games, sometimes they can really hit the mark but often times it's just one big fuck up after one big fuck up trying to unfuck the shit they just fucked up. But that also spurs creativity, even though it's the worst kind of way. GW likes to go in and make shit up on the fly and it pisses everyone off. And that's part of the appeal.
>>98274138For what it’s worth, I’m not denigrating the existence of either End Times nor Age if Sigmar. People can like shit I don’t, I’m not the center of the world. But in regards to the original question, I do feel that at the end of the day the End Times was too much of a mess to really be a satisfying payoff for the Warhammer Fantasy line, as well as overshadowing Age of Sigmar’s debut in a negative way.
>>98274138You’re confused, while the first Sisters of Battle codex was published in 1997, which fits with your timeline, the Sisters themselves have been part of the lore since Rogue Trader in 1987. They are as old as all the oldest parts of the published setting, including Space Marines.The Horus Heresy was introduced in 1988 to justify Imperial Titans fighting each other, because the models for Eldar and Ork titans weren’t done yet.
>>98274069>but the fact it was introduced to completely end the line and facilitate a new game entirely means that’s what a lot of people are going to judge it on.Highly doubtful they intended it to end WHFB right from the start. They made clearly some effort, with new models for pretty much all the factions for this campaign, and you know how long GW plans ahead. They clearly had "this will spark interest in WHFB" in mind when they started to plan the campagin, started to make the new minis tools etc. AoS then came as an afterthought, when it was clear that End Times did in fact not save Fantasy at all.
>>98274392The end times could have been been amazing and it wouldn’t make a lick of difference. Gay fish men army, weird not space marines, a setting that is a total mess. You couldn’t sell aos to a GW fan base.
>>98274392That's a fair take and I understand where you're coming from. At the end of the day you can only like what you like, and if it leaves a bad taste in your mouth that's fine, I'm certainly not gonna sit here and try to sell it to you because, truth be told, I'm kind of ambivalent about the whole End Times stuff.>>98274439You're right I am confused, lol, and I'm not even going to try and dispute the matter.
>>98274468>You couldn’t sell aos to a GW fan base.There literally was no fanbase at the time, that's why GW went hard reboot rout to find one
>>98274607And where is the big aos fan base? Doesn’t exist. I have no idea why they didn’t have a serious sit down and completely overhaul the game systems to make it much more affordable to get into it.
>>98274710I like Age of Sigmar
>>98274710It sells 10 times better, so someone must have been attracted to actually spend money
>>98274468>Gay fish men army, weird not space marines, a setting that is a total mess.Took me a while to get you are talking about AoS and not Fantasy.
Here's a question for the thread. It's widely accepted that End Times was unsatisfying and awful and literally ruined the setting. That being the case, what WOULD have been satisfying had GW not been GW and actually given Fantasy the sendoff it deserved?
>>98272833lmao I remember the big rumor about sugmar dying
>>98274936Me too and I think that's stupid because I'm pretty sure he's not physically capable of death.
>>98273882>Simply stop including ET in your repos and they will be safe.But there's ET stuff in the fantasy general repository schizo kun
>>98272570It's possible GW would never have allowed TWW to be created without the End Times, since at the time their retarded leadership would've thought a strategy game would directly compete with the tabletop product.
>>98260433Nope, it's still a big a pile of soulless steaming shit. Everything is wrong with that shit and time won't make it any better.
>>98272806Well yes, it turns out that the people writing Warhammer lore in the 90s didn’t have the exact same worldview as a 2020s corporate marketing board. For example, if Grand Cathay had been fleshed out back in 4th Edition instead of Total War: Warhammer 3, it wouldn't just look different, it would be a completely unrecognizable fever dream of 80s fantasy tropes instead of the polished, modern-approved product we got.So yes, TWW3 was effectively pre-ordained to devolve into a sanitized, focus-grouped pile of garbage. You can't replace grimdark soul with corporate synergy and expect anything else.
>>98274732>It sells 10 times better,In all fairness, Warhammer/GW as a whole just grew in size a lot
>>98275497Would have been hotter if it was human and elven men and large breasted lizardwomen instead, but I guess this is ok too
>>98275550the problems with TWW3 go much, much deeper than corporatized faggot chink-worshiping lore. It is also just a fucking awful pile of buggy garbage
>>98268206I liked the Part where they capture Bel'kor and he he mocks them for trying to get information then Nagash just talks to him for 30 seconds and he's suddenly 'i'll tell you anything you want just get this guy the fuck away from me'
>>98274732>it sold moneyyes we understand you're a bugmen who worships monopoly money. I'm now going to rape your mother.
>>98275571Such is the power of Sigmar!
>>98260433It has some cool stuff like the special regiment with their little fluffs. My favourite is the Last of the Uberogens because Vlad's finds it funny enslaving Sigmar's comrades as his own to fight the Nurgle army. I like most of the ironic end for each characters. It's true some writings aren't so good (most of the fluff related to elves were bad) and the final chapters had rush progression. Overall pretty good if you can look past the bad stuff.
>>98269777>>98270088was that a chaos spawn or some random daemons of khorne consuming mortal blood?
>>98260433It is not that endtimes whas that bad, it is just that AGE OF SIGMAR is retarded, I mean you can just thell they wanted a second 40k so bad, instead of a galaxy we have "mortal realms", and instead of primarchs they just turned some popular characters into uber versions of themselves, also sigmarines etc.....
>>98274448They were planning to kill WHFB since early in 8th edition when they began working on Sigmarines. The "spark interest in WHFB" thing was pure projection on the part of the community.
What happend to slaanesh forces in the end times, as far as I remember it was basically just khorne and nurgle if you exclude couple of deamonette whores around archaon
>>98260433I tried reading some of the stuff that came out, but the whole point of end times was to "wrap up" the setting so they could create a new corporate product and that's how it read so I stopped. Genuinely have a hard time believing anyone capable of reading went through all of it let alone enjoyed it.
>>98279392Aos precedes the return of primarchs to (modern) 40k retarded secondary
>>98273765lol nice cope faggot
>>98274715Best model range in tabletop
>>98281516This. Such a unique art style compared to the unimaginative historyslop of WHFB
>>98281522Yeah such a superior artstyle lmao
>>98281554>top Illegible slop that’s forgotten about because it carries no emotion >bottom Fairy tail vibe that has whimsy and charm
>>98281568Aos still gay asf
>>98279392>It is not that endtimes whas that bad,End Times IS fucking bad, none of it makes sens:- The warriors of chaos are fews in numbers (Norsca/the chaos wastes are hell on earth with monsters and weird stuffs, they have basically no agriculture to feed their people, they're constanly infighting, etc...), they're suppose to be a real threat every few centuries all under a Everchosen, and only in ONE place aimed at ONE thing.And yet in End Times they invade the Old World, Cathay, AND Naggaroth (and destroy everything).Fucking shitty writing.-The whole plot with the Winds of Magics and the Incarnates come out of nowhere, doesn't make sens (it's like a biomancer psyker from 40k say "Now i'm the chosen of Biomancie, all the biomancie stuff channel trought me!"Fucking trash writting.-The whole plot with Malekith being the legitimate Phoenix King is a fucking bad fan fiction.Please someone invade Gav Thorpe house and cut off is balls.-the Skaven, who become capable of cooperating over the course of a long military campaign and who destroy Tilea, Estalia, Lustria and the Borderlands (even though treachery, paranoia, and cowardice are practically hardwired into their genetic code).Pure garbage.-the fucking Gods of Chaos, who need mortals to feed on their emotions and yet choose to kill everyone.And many, many of other things, like important characters from the lore who act like compltet retard (Manfred and Teclis being the most important).Behold! The Glory of End Times! The Loreraping Chronicles! Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!
>>98281516100%. I don't even like how Idoneth Deepkin play but I'm thinking on getting a few models just because I've never seen anything pull off a sea theme so well.
I have a funny relationship with ET.I started playing at the tail end of 6th and got more involved during 7th. There was a year or two in my life where I was getting easily 3+ games for week, every single week.When 8th dropped I REALLY got into the whole hobby. I know it's a divisive edition but I never had as much as I did (and continue to have) with 8th. I started listening to podcasts, discussing hobby and tactics on many forums, started scratch building tons of terrain. To me it felt like a new resurgence was budding for Fantasy; GW was releasing a new army book every other month, new campaign supplements, new models, new WD rules, alternative plastc models started to creep in into the GW environment... to me it was exciting and it was all a prelude to a new golden age of fantasy rank and flank. And I was in the midst of it. I loved it all. Then just as the first few pictures of the wood elves army book leaked on warseer, I had other shit in my life that completely took me away from warhammer. No more games, no more painting or forums... I basically quit cold turkey.Fast forward a while later and, while putting stuff away I find all my painted dwarfs. Nostalgia hit, decide to get back into the game... and I find out that the game is no more. I remember not being able to find the Warhammer fantasy section on thr GW site and being confused. I genuinely thought that Age of Sigmar was a new expansion for the game. And instead... But I don't share any I'll feeling towards ET or AoS. By pure chance I wasn't there to see it happen, I left right before it happened and came back just in time to find obscene deals on used models on the secondary market as everyone was dumping their miniatures.But I just kept playing, texted a few friends, put up a few posts on Facebook and we're still playing a decade after it all supposedly went to shit. GW might own their IP, they don't own my games and my time. I most certainly won't let them keep my fun hostage.
>>98283558That's the best way to look at it. GW ended their world, not yours. Have you looked into any other systems based off of 8th though, like the 9th age, the Warhammer Armies Project, or Warhammer Renaissance?
>>98282242>-The whole plot with Malekith being the legitimate Phoenix King is a fucking bad fan fictionI actually thought that was pretty cool, adds a nice warhammery ironic touch. The high elves actually following him was stupid though. Great idea that was executed badly.
